Fahrenheit 911
<div class="IPBDescription">WHoa</div> Well, I decided to see Michael Moore's newest depressingly-punditlike movie today - and I bear good news.
I in fact, despite not being a large MM fan, enjoyed this movie perhaps more than any other so far this year. While he puts much spin indeed on essentially everything he says, there are certain segments where it's just so raw and emotional that any input from our erstwhile renegade is unnecessary and would only serve to cheapen the message.
Overall, I recommend this movie to anybody, Bush-hater or otherwise. It was a truly memorable film, even for a cynical bastard like me and deserves a watch from everyone.
That being said, has anybody see it who has any comments/discussions to bring forth?
I in fact, despite not being a large MM fan, enjoyed this movie perhaps more than any other so far this year. While he puts much spin indeed on essentially everything he says, there are certain segments where it's just so raw and emotional that any input from our erstwhile renegade is unnecessary and would only serve to cheapen the message.
Overall, I recommend this movie to anybody, Bush-hater or otherwise. It was a truly memorable film, even for a cynical bastard like me and deserves a watch from everyone.
That being said, has anybody see it who has any comments/discussions to bring forth?
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Saw him on the Daily Show last night and he just reaffirmed how much I like the guy. Jon Steward asked him, "Are you fair?" and he immediately responded with a No. Just made me laugh, thinking about, on the flipside of the coin, hearing "Fair and Balanced News" from Fox all the time, while he freely acknowledges having a slant to his films.
Finished up chatting with a friend on AIM who returned from it singing praises not too long ago. In his own words, he walked into the theater not minding Bush, and walked out of it wanting to knife him. The only thing he said he didn't like were the graphic depictions of the war in Iraq, apparently there's some pretty nasty footage of soldiers in battle.
Not too enthused about seeing that, but it won't stop me from going to see the rest of the film.
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all of them bad. Very buyest. He even admitted it, like he was doing the country a favor..
*cant wait to see it*
Not too enthused about seeing that, but it won't stop me from going to see the rest of the film.
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Yeah - there were scenes of the bombings in Baghdad as well as many scenes of wounded folks being evacuated, as well as dead being thrown on the back of wagons to be buried. It was heartbreaking, but I felt it helped the message.
And also, folks, it's important to remember that this movie is basically an editorial in visual form - Michael Moore never claimed to be a fair and unbiased "reporter" - he's always written and directed to fit his views, as any critic would do. The great thing about him is that he doesn't pretend otherwise, or that what he says is necessarily the absolute truth.
Anyways, go see it - immediately. YOU WILL BE MOVED!
I too saw it on The Daily Show- what is this, his 6th time on there? And I loved what Duff quoted earlier(I remember hearing it)- it kinda cought me off guard, and made me appreciate the guy. I mean, he didn't even think about it, you could tell that was a natural response.
Politics though.. bleh. They are all idiots, on both sides of the fence and everywhere in between. I hate Moore, Bush, Kerry, Rumsfeld, Clinton, Bush Sr., Colin Powell, and Anacondalinachakitabanana Rice, and anyone else in there that I missed. :X
In fact, they should just use a giant laser to cut Washington D.C. away from the rest of the continent and just let it fall back into the ocean...
And now that I've typed all that out I can't remember why...
After the buildup of congressmen not reading bills to be a *gasp* moment, and the whole "watch this drive" thing, i'd think it a waste of my time to watch the rest.
I also like people who call it a "serious" movie, yet a clip I saw on Letterman has a shot of Bush riding in a golf cart with the music "vacation" playing (hardly dramatic). Also, I totally support the ability for him to make a biased movie, but what I don't agree with is his Oscar win and his subsequent categorizations of "documentary." A documentary is the exact opposite of "bias," and the very fact that he recognizes that he himself is bias and still continues to say "documentary" is sad.
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I think ill give F911 a miss thanks.
Think of it as the "The Passion of Christ" of politics.
Yes, the rebuttal that calls those who disagree with him "wackos" and doesn't actually answer any of the questions posed by any critic.
So if its not a documentary, what is it? Its a biased film created specifically to further Moore's cause by manipulation and misrepresentation of factual or completely false information. That fits the definition of a propaganda film like a boot.
If Michael Moore was anything else other than a film maker, he would be passed off as a conspiracy theorist.
So if its not a documentary, what is it? Its a biased film created specifically to further Moore's cause by manipulation and misrepresentation of factual or completely false information. That fits the definition of a propaganda film like a boot.
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Did you see it?
So if its not a documentary, what is it? Its a biased film created specifically to further Moore's cause by manipulation and misrepresentation of factual or completely false information. That fits the definition of a propaganda film like a boot.
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Not that I agree or disagree with Moore- what the hell is Bush doing? And Clinton Before him? And Bush Sr. Before him? EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT <u><b>EVER</b></u> puts out propaganda and engineers public opinion. But right now we are approaching 1 of 2 things- the 2nd American revolution(which I'd love), or a redo of the 60s/70s way of beating up the president's image, because the president let things go a bit too loose with what the public gets to know, and it came back to bite him on the ****.
So if its not a documentary, what is it? Its a biased film created specifically to further Moore's cause by manipulation and misrepresentation of factual or completely false information. That fits the definition of a propaganda film like a boot.
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Not that I agree or disagree with Moore- what the hell is Bush doing? And Clinton Before him? And Bush Sr. Before him? EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT <u><b>EVER</b></u> puts out propaganda and engineers public opinion. But right now we are approaching 1 of 2 things- the 2nd American revolution(which I'd love), or a redo of the 60s/70s way of beating up the president's image, because the president let things go a bit too loose with what the public gets to know, and it came back to bite him on the ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They are all just casting the picture for you to see it the way they do. The halftruths and lies that they belive they want you to belive. Propaganda in this day in age is nothing more than advertizing your opinion as fact. No one is intentionally lying to anyone, they acctually belive what they are saying.
Except that it ussually doesn't look bad at all unless you have a decent ability to think critically about what you are seeing, which effectively axes a massive percentage of our population. Most presidents surround themselfs with yesmen anyways, how do you think the fact that there was no real evidence of WMD in Iraq didn't manage to reach Bush until after he attacked?
You think all he says is wrong?
Well you saw the first scene in that bank? While he opened an account and got a weapon as a gift.... IN A BANK!
And did you see the scene where he was talking to that kid who knew the colombine murders? Or the scene where he talked to the NRA president... Why he had no answers? As moore asled him few questions he just left without saying anything, that was the most impressive sceene i ever saw in a DOCUMENTARY! Yes it is a documentary.
Bowlong for colombine is NOT only a "say no to bush" movie, it shows some major problems that the USA have, and which should not be looked over.
and yet they accept the movie at face value
note: truth about bowling
its NOT A BLOODY DOCUMENTARY
its a movie.. read the above link
btw. Guns sucks, so you hippies can keep them for yourself.. The moment guns is a part of my culture is the day I move to another country.. Lame - **** excuse..
Bowling for Columbine had absolutely nothing to do with George Bush....
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Like I said, I think F9/11 is much better than BFC. The only spots where you can see him messing with footage is when he takes one or two bits of GW preparing for soem sort of adress (and not saying anything) and re-uses them for comedic value.
And socondly, regarding the usage of campy music: yes, Moore uses this in basically every piece of published literature or cinema he's involved with. And example again, is in this move where while talking about The Bush-approved 'airlift' of dozens of Saudi Royal family members and Bin Laden Family members out of the country on September 13 2001, the music is "We Gotta get Out of This Place" by the Animals as it showed (addmitedly not necessarily) one of their planes taking off. These moments of camp serve to further the message, by injecting American ulture into the movie. The Vacaton song is by...the Go-Go's, I think? That's used to cast a whimsical air on Dubya's frequent and outrageous vacations that he takes to his nice l'il ranch in Texas.
It would probably surprise you all to know that, in Early August (while GWB was playing golf in texas on vacation, no less), he was handed security briefings saying that Osama Bin Laden was planning a hit inside the United States? The man ignored them and continued to play golf. They were actually entitled something like "Osama Bin Laden threatens to strike inside United States" (a line emphasized by Condoleeza Rice and included by Moore to counter Bush's laxadaisical attitude towards it)
Trust me - Bush Supporter of not, your view of the man will change in the wake of this movie. If you're not seeing it just to keep ignorant and to keep GWB's reputation smelling like roses, I suppose that would be your perogative. Just don't complain when nearly everyone else who doesn't adopt this ostrichlike head-in-the-ground policy is far more informed and educated than you yourself are.