While I would suppose that they should in theory act respectable, there really isn't as far as I know. All you need to do to become a constie is donate money. Thankfully, most people who donate money are also at least somewhat dedicated to the mod so they have a strong chance of being nice supportive people.
As for vets, the only requierment was to be in a compeditive clan that played X games a week. The vet program has also been dissolved as of the beta release, and the only thing they have retained is their icon and the ones that did their job well were given playtester. One former vet even managed to score our new playtest lead postion - rain. That proves that there are some good vets out and about.
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Jul 30 2004, 10:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Jul 30 2004, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The vet program has also been dissolved as of the beta release, and the only thing they have retained is their icon and the <u>ones that did their job well were given playtester.</u> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Big L O L
<!--QuoteBegin-Rage772+Jul 30 2004, 09:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rage772 @ Jul 30 2004, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Constie's Vs. Vet's <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And I assume it's up to us to decide which is which? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(I'm the guy complaing about the map. Without a doubt. And I'm complaining about my team, and the lag. Dopplegangers of me, lying dead on the floor! The horror! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->no, there is no code of conduct, and the lack of respect (i feel) was a main part of the disolution of the veteran program.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well the Vets did bring a lot of that on themselves. A disturbing number of the Vets were, quite frankly, rude, stupid, stuck-up and quite bad at NS.
As for the Consties, well we don't really have a code of conduct, but then again there's no real need for one, given that we have no power of any sorts.
Being a constellation or veteran as of the moment doesn't mean that individual is honorable. I am for increasing the requirements of either of the two.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cypher-+Jul 30 2004, 11:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cypher- @ Jul 30 2004, 11:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how come everyone says exoity is the lead PT? is that just to make fun of PTs? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> because he tells everyone he is, when he's not.
Most of the people who became vet's during the 2.1-3.0 playtest were mostly the rude, stupid, stuck-up and quite bad at NS. The original vets from the 1.1-2.0 playtest were selected from some of the best clans around at the time. #cri, pandas, hamlet's, exident (I think), and some other's that I may not recall. Those were the vet's who were respectful, good at NS, and friend's with Flayra. It's just once 2.1-3.0 playtesting opened up, the devs were giving vet status to every clan left and right. Most of them didn't do anything at all, other than brag how they were a vet. Which ended up with having the vet program closed eventually after the playtesting. Now, you barely even see any vet icon's around on server's anymore and people usually treat vet's like they were a peice of trash, even if they were the 2.0 vet's.
When Veteran status really meant something (was limited to the very few best clans) there was a decent standard of conduct maintained. Nowadays there are too many undeserving players who attained the icon for being able to send an email and people still attatch significance to it. What is the point of a code of conduct when the status itself is insignificant? Most of them were not involved in the actual Playtesting process anyway.
if you want respect, then ya gotta put a "-X" at the end of you name
like paladin-X ninja-X Mr-X
everything sounds better with an -X on it
but yeah, I'd like to see more honor and integredity amonge the NS community, I must say were doing really good, but we can do better! belive and achieve boys
Vets are dissolved and consties just donated so there is no code of conduct that is different then any other player in the ns community. The icons just represent what they have done in the natural selection community and shouldnt be an indictator on how one would or should act. All vets arnt the same as well as consties they just have one similarity of being in a clan or donating to a game, dont expect them to be any different then the next person until you get to know them.
<!--QuoteBegin-agentx5+Jul 31 2004, 05:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (agentx5 @ Jul 31 2004, 05:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Being a constellation or veteran as of the moment doesn't mean that individual is honorable. I am for increasing the requirements of either of the two.
<!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I just recently became a constie, not because I wanted some extra skills or be called a hero, but because I like this mod and would like it to continue developing. Now IMO consties should at least be respected more than the "vets". Without the consties we would probably still be at beta 2.0.
I stopped playing NS for a while after one of the 2.0+ versions and came back in b4a for reasons I don't even have the energy to write down. As early as I had heard of the Veteran program I said it was stupid. The idea that certain players should be awarded higher status just because they are in a clan is pretty ludicrous. I mean, you didn't even have to be an elite player/clan and you got in. Since I just got back I didn't know that the Veterans were dissolved... but now that I do all I can say is good riddance.
I've been playing this game as long as anyone and according to the definition of 'veteran' I should have been one as well. Apparently the implication was that you were only worth something if you were in a clan, no matter how long you've been playing. I wouldn't have joined the Veterans anyway because I don't see the point in creating such a group. Besides, all Veterans ever did was brag about their status and their clans actually aren't very skilled. Some people are really good at playing the game but the difference between a pub match and a clan match is that clanners are acquainted at the very least and have an agreement between them to use teamwork to win the day. I'm an average player and so are clanners...I've seen the demos and they're nothing special. Anyway, my point was (and people flamed me for it back then) that being in a clan doesn't entitle you to people's respect or an esteemed position within the NS community.
Well, the veteran program actually did make sense, but after 2.0 it was never used for it's intended purpose. Clanners always find the easiest way to win, and after a certain strategy has been uncovered, public play follows. Just like in other games, the best players are the ones most likely to determine a worthless strat and an overpowering strat.
Just because it didn't work this time doesn't mean its not a good idea. When veteran status was opened to everyone, it just got so bloated that feedback was lost in the spam of the veteran forums. And even though beta scrims did actually happen, nobody seemed to care. But the veteran program was opened to everyone because the ATI tournament was scheduled to occur right after 3.0 was released, and all the clans would need to be on equal footing since there were actual prizes involved. It was really a lose-lose situation.
If the veteran program was ever re-opened, there would need to be more of a guiding hand given to the vets, and activity would be expected.
There was once a code of coduct during the 3.0 closed beta. I know of at least one constie who got kicked out of testing and had their icon removed due to poor conduct. Also, poor behaviour from the clanner vets was also up for similar discipline, except at one point i think it got to the point where the entire clan would be booted out of the vet program due to one member's poor conduct, but i don't think that ever happened.
But as for public games and such, no, i don't think there is any code of conduct or such.
We were to folow (yes I am a constie) those rules when ever we were acting in any offical way (be it in game, in IRC, or one the forums).
We didn't technicaly have to cary that out to other places but I know alot of CMs and Vets did.
There were alot of good Vets, its just the Counter Strike effect. In a large group of people, the stupid ones will be the loudest and most anoying.
I liked playing with/against vets, so long as the game didn't end up vets vs CMs, as many of the Vets realy were that much better then us (not necesarily most, but alot of them). It was interesting to play with realy good people on both sides (as opposed to many pubs where there will often only be one, possibly 2 people of that level of skill playing at a time).
Oh well, I think the vet program was a good idea, jsut sorta bad in the compleation of it (the necesary number of scrims per week never happened as I remember, and oither such things)
<!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Jul 31 2004, 12:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Jul 31 2004, 12:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And I assume it's up to us to decide which is which? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've decided were going to be representing the evil lil' empire <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
What about that "Guide" -thingie? If I remember correctly, there was some talk of returning it. Sounded interesting at that time, so which way it has ended?
<!--QuoteBegin-Sarisel+Jul 30 2004, 11:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sarisel @ Jul 30 2004, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Jul 30 2004, 10:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Jul 30 2004, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The vet program has also been dissolved as of the beta release, and the only thing they have retained is their icon and the <u>ones that did their job well were given playtester.</u> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Big L O L <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ^ max
<!--QuoteBegin-Sarisel+Jul 30 2004, 11:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sarisel @ Jul 30 2004, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Jul 30 2004, 10:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Jul 30 2004, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The vet program has also been dissolved as of the beta release, and the only thing they have retained is their icon and the <u>ones that did their job well were given playtester.</u> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Big L O L <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> R OO F L E S!!!11 <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: So which dev has the 9800 Pro's? I wonder where they're sitting. Probably in someones computer.
X_StickmanNot good enough for a custom title.Join Date: 2003-04-15Member: 15533Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Wirhe+Jul 31 2004, 04:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wirhe @ Jul 31 2004, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What about that "Guide" -thingie? If I remember correctly, there was some talk of returning it. Sounded interesting at that time, so which way it has ended? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's still there. #nsguides on gamesurge. I think they're waiting for B5 or for the website to be finished, or something.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->edit: So which dev has the 9800 Pro's? I wonder where they're sitting. Probably in someones computer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flay's still planning on having the ATI tourney. I've already got a 9500 pro and don't intend on upgrading for a while anyway <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Alcapwn"War is the science of destruction" - John AbbotJoin Date: 2003-06-21Member: 17590Members
<!--QuoteBegin-E-Th33ph+Aug 1 2004, 12:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (E-Th33ph @ Aug 1 2004, 12:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->edit: So which dev has the 9800 Pro's? I wonder where they're sitting. Probably in someones computer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Aug 1 2004, 12:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Aug 1 2004, 12:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyway I can remember during the beta testing a good bit of snobby trash talking vets that got so stupid and annoying... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> For every "snobby trash talking vet" you remember I raise you 10 whiny constellation donators who think they own the game and therefore should automagically recieve special treatment when ever, where ever and whatever they play or do in NS.
Pointless discussion that has drifted well off topic. The auth command does wonders to stop people being able to tar you with the same brush they use for eveyone else. Even NSGuides are using it these days.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
I'll step in here and try to rebuild the actual situation back then (Note this is according to my memory so if there are mistakes, please feel free to correct them).
ATI gave Flayra a few ATI cards, so it was decided to hold a tourny for them (on version 2.1). Since only a few players who might be interested in playing for these cards had access to version 2.1 (now 3.0) it was decided that the vet program would expand and include any clans who wanted to enter the tournament and were able to scrim 4 times a week.
It was a good idea in theory. Many dedicated players helping to iron out bugs and making suggestions dedicated to improving the game as well as participate in a tourny to raise NS awareness.
So a massive influx began where players who were part of established clans and others all sent massive numbers of requests to the individuals organizing it, and icons were given out and testing began.
As a bonus Consti members would also participate in the testing.
Unfortunately, the situation was too unruly and difficult to manage. People could not be added or removed easily which led to people hanging around in the vet forums who were no longer part of clans and others who just started a clan not being able to participate.
Add to that the stipulation of scrimming 4 times a week could not be met in most cases (versions of the server that had huge lag spikes the longer you played) and so judging people by that criteria couldn't occur.
So it was decided that the vet program would be undone and the vets in a tribute to their service would be able to keep their icons. This also allowed a reorganization of the PlayTest group and some people (such as myself) were asked to be part of it.
So the Vets/ Consti members are not "held" to a certain code of conduct however I'd like (in my rosy-glassed world) to think that while they play with their icons turned on, they are ambassadors of the game since they either cared enough about it to donate or take part in the playtesting...
Not a direct response to the question, but I thought I'd fill in the history for those who may not be familiar with it.
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Aug 2 2004, 03:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Aug 2 2004, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'll step in here and try to rebuild the actual situation back then (Note this is according to my memory so if there are mistakes, please feel free to correct them).
ATI gave Flayra a few ATI cards, so it was decided to hold a tourny for them (on version 2.1). Since only a few players who might be interested in playing for these cards had access to version 2.1 (now 3.0) it was decided that the vet program would expand and include any clans who wanted to enter the tournament and were able to scrim 4 times a week.
It was a good idea in theory. Many dedicated players helping to iron out bugs and making suggestions dedicated to improving the game as well as participate in a tourny to raise NS awareness.
So a massive influx began where players who were part of established clans and others all sent massive numbers of requests to the individuals organizing it, and icons were given out and testing began.
As a bonus Consti members would also participate in the testing.
Unfortunately, the situation was too unruly and difficult to manage. People could not be added or removed easily which led to people hanging around in the vet forums who were no longer part of clans and others who just started a clan not being able to participate.
Add to that the stipulation of scrimming 4 times a week could not be met in most cases (versions of the server that had huge lag spikes the longer you played) and so judging people by that criteria couldn't occur.
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So it was decided that the vet program would be undone and the vets in a tribute to their service would be able to keep their icons. This also allowed a reorganization of the PlayTest group and some people (such as myself) were asked to be part of it.
So the Vets/ Consti members are not "held" to a certain code of conduct however I'd like (in my rosy-glassed world) to think that while they play with their icons turned on, they are ambassadors of the game since they either cared enough about it to donate or take part in the playtesting...
Not a direct response to the question, but I thought I'd fill in the history for those who may not be familiar with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Accurate until [cut]
Where you did not include how there were little to no attempt to organize/filter the competition or clans/clan members involved. In fact, two people were supposed to do the work that should have been assigned to 10-20 at least.
Also, the continuation of the expansion in the disorganization of the PT group was achieved after the vet program was put out of its misery.
This history isn't nearly detailed enough to tell the whole truth about the full extent of the failure that was the veteran program and 2.1/3.0 closed beta playtesting. That would require one to two pages worth of documentation.
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As for vets, the only requierment was to be in a compeditive clan that played X games a week. The vet program has also been dissolved as of the beta release, and the only thing they have retained is their icon and the ones that did their job well were given playtester. One former vet even managed to score our new playtest lead postion - rain. That proves that there are some good vets out and about.
Big L O L
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no, there is no code of conduct, and the lack of respect (i feel) was a main part of the disolution of the veteran program.
And I assume it's up to us to decide which is which? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(I'm the guy complaing about the map. Without a doubt. And I'm complaining about my team, and the lag. Dopplegangers of me, lying dead on the floor! The horror! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Well the Vets did bring a lot of that on themselves. A disturbing number of the Vets were, quite frankly, rude, stupid, stuck-up and quite bad at NS.
As for the Consties, well we don't really have a code of conduct, but then again there's no real need for one, given that we have no power of any sorts.
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because he tells everyone he is, when he's not.
like paladin-X
ninja-X
Mr-X
everything sounds better with an -X on it
but yeah, I'd like to see more honor and integredity amonge the NS community, I must say were doing really good, but we can do better! belive and achieve boys
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I just recently became a constie, not because I wanted some extra skills or be called a hero, but because I like this mod and would like it to continue developing. Now IMO consties should at least be respected more than the "vets". Without the consties we would probably still be at beta 2.0.
I've been playing this game as long as anyone and according to the definition of 'veteran' I should have been one as well. Apparently the implication was that you were only worth something if you were in a clan, no matter how long you've been playing. I wouldn't have joined the Veterans anyway because I don't see the point in creating such a group. Besides, all Veterans ever did was brag about their status and their clans actually aren't very skilled. Some people are really good at playing the game but the difference between a pub match and a clan match is that clanners are acquainted at the very least and have an agreement between them to use teamwork to win the day. I'm an average player and so are clanners...I've seen the demos and they're nothing special. Anyway, my point was (and people flamed me for it back then) that being in a clan doesn't entitle you to people's respect or an esteemed position within the NS community.
Just because it didn't work this time doesn't mean its not a good idea. When veteran status was opened to everyone, it just got so bloated that feedback was lost in the spam of the veteran forums. And even though beta scrims did actually happen, nobody seemed to care. But the veteran program was opened to everyone because the ATI tournament was scheduled to occur right after 3.0 was released, and all the clans would need to be on equal footing since there were actual prizes involved. It was really a lose-lose situation.
If the veteran program was ever re-opened, there would need to be more of a guiding hand given to the vets, and activity would be expected.
But as for public games and such, no, i don't think there is any code of conduct or such.
Consties and vets DID have a code of conduct
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums.html' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums.html</a>
We were to folow (yes I am a constie) those rules when ever we were acting in any offical way (be it in game, in IRC, or one the forums).
We didn't technicaly have to cary that out to other places but I know alot of CMs and Vets did.
There were alot of good Vets, its just the Counter Strike effect. In a large group of people, the stupid ones will be the loudest and most anoying.
I liked playing with/against vets, so long as the game didn't end up vets vs CMs, as many of the Vets realy were that much better then us (not necesarily most, but alot of them). It was interesting to play with realy good people on both sides (as opposed to many pubs where there will often only be one, possibly 2 people of that level of skill playing at a time).
Oh well, I think the vet program was a good idea, jsut sorta bad in the compleation of it (the necesary number of scrims per week never happened as I remember, and oither such things)
And I assume it's up to us to decide which is which? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I've decided were going to be representing the evil lil' empire <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Big L O L <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
^ max
hahahaha
Big L O L <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
R OO F L E S!!!11 <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: So which dev has the 9800 Pro's? I wonder where they're sitting. Probably in someones computer.
It's still there. #nsguides on gamesurge. I think they're waiting for B5 or for the website to be finished, or something.
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<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> P\/\/n7 beye uz k0rNzti3s!
Anyway I can remember during the beta testing a good bit of snobby trash talking vets that got so stupid and annoying...
Flay's still planning on having the ATI tourney. I've already got a 9500 pro and don't intend on upgrading for a while anyway <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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lol
For every "snobby trash talking vet" you remember I raise you 10 whiny constellation donators who think they own the game and therefore should automagically recieve special treatment when ever, where ever and whatever they play or do in NS.
Pointless discussion that has drifted well off topic. The auth command does wonders to stop people being able to tar you with the same brush they use for eveyone else. Even NSGuides are using it these days.
ATI gave Flayra a few ATI cards, so it was decided to hold a tourny for them (on version 2.1). Since only a few players who might be interested in playing for these cards had access to version 2.1 (now 3.0) it was decided that the vet program would expand and include any clans who wanted to enter the tournament and were able to scrim 4 times a week.
It was a good idea in theory. Many dedicated players helping to iron out bugs and making suggestions dedicated to improving the game as well as participate in a tourny to raise NS awareness.
So a massive influx began where players who were part of established clans and others all sent massive numbers of requests to the individuals organizing it, and icons were given out and testing began.
As a bonus Consti members would also participate in the testing.
Unfortunately, the situation was too unruly and difficult to manage. People could not be added or removed easily which led to people hanging around in the vet forums who were no longer part of clans and others who just started a clan not being able to participate.
Add to that the stipulation of scrimming 4 times a week could not be met in most cases (versions of the server that had huge lag spikes the longer you played) and so judging people by that criteria couldn't occur.
So it was decided that the vet program would be undone and the vets in a tribute to their service would be able to keep their icons. This also allowed a reorganization of the PlayTest group and some people (such as myself) were asked to be part of it.
So the Vets/ Consti members are not "held" to a certain code of conduct however I'd like (in my rosy-glassed world) to think that while they play with their icons turned on, they are ambassadors of the game since they either cared enough about it to donate or take part in the playtesting...
Not a direct response to the question, but I thought I'd fill in the history for those who may not be familiar with it.
ATI gave Flayra a few ATI cards, so it was decided to hold a tourny for them (on version 2.1). Since only a few players who might be interested in playing for these cards had access to version 2.1 (now 3.0) it was decided that the vet program would expand and include any clans who wanted to enter the tournament and were able to scrim 4 times a week.
It was a good idea in theory. Many dedicated players helping to iron out bugs and making suggestions dedicated to improving the game as well as participate in a tourny to raise NS awareness.
So a massive influx began where players who were part of established clans and others all sent massive numbers of requests to the individuals organizing it, and icons were given out and testing began.
As a bonus Consti members would also participate in the testing.
Unfortunately, the situation was too unruly and difficult to manage. People could not be added or removed easily which led to people hanging around in the vet forums who were no longer part of clans and others who just started a clan not being able to participate.
Add to that the stipulation of scrimming 4 times a week could not be met in most cases (versions of the server that had huge lag spikes the longer you played) and so judging people by that criteria couldn't occur.
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So it was decided that the vet program would be undone and the vets in a tribute to their service would be able to keep their icons. This also allowed a reorganization of the PlayTest group and some people (such as myself) were asked to be part of it.
So the Vets/ Consti members are not "held" to a certain code of conduct however I'd like (in my rosy-glassed world) to think that while they play with their icons turned on, they are ambassadors of the game since they either cared enough about it to donate or take part in the playtesting...
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Where you did not include how there were little to no attempt to organize/filter the competition or clans/clan members involved. In fact, two people were supposed to do the work that should have been assigned to 10-20 at least.
Also, the continuation of the expansion in the disorganization of the PT group was achieved after the vet program was put out of its misery.
This history isn't nearly detailed enough to tell the whole truth about the full extent of the failure that was the veteran program and 2.1/3.0 closed beta playtesting. That would require one to two pages worth of documentation.