This one time I got chased by a bunch of guys in Escalades. They were driving after me for like 10 blocks and one of the passangers was firing a mac-10 out the window. I ended up pulling into an alley and removed a collapsable m-60 from my trunk and killed all of them. I can only assume they wanted to rob me.
The above may or may not be a scene from the movie Swordfish that may or may not have been viewed by me while very high.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mullet+Aug 16 2004, 02:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Aug 16 2004, 02:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is it me or do some of these 'stories' seem a little TOO dramatic or make beleive?
I mean cmon....a pedophile chasing you through your own house and then you pull out a shotgun. That sounds too Hollywood. And it's more than just this story....(No offense).
But hey...if it's true, then my hat's off to you.
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I feel like a loser. Here I am 5'11 and 200 lbs. and I've never even been in a fight. lol. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's up to you if you want to believe me.
My friends and I were playing near my house when some car drove up real fast and screeched to a halt. The guy jumped out of the car and yelled at us to hold still. Naturally, we took off. I don't know why he decided to follow me but I ran about 30 feet to my house and slammed the door. He followed and stood outside yelling that I should 'come out' and that he 'just wanted to talk to me'.
At the time, 911 did not exist yet and I didn't want to risk putting my attention to a phone. I grabbed a knife from the kitchen and ran to where I knew there was a shotgun. I had no idea where the ammunition was but figured just the shotgun would be enough.
When I got back to the kitchen, the guy apparently decided to risk entering the house and was opening the door. I aimed the shotgun and yelled for him to go away. Thankfully he never called my bluff.
After he left I was shaking so hard I couldn't pick up anything but managed to call my Mom at work.
After calling my mom I turned on the Disney Channel and turned up the volume very loud. I just felt a terrible fear of being alone at that moment and couldn't think of anything else to do. The silence in the house was terrifying me and I didn't want to leave the kitchen so I sat on the floor.
Any psychologists out there care to comment on that behavior? Now that I look back on it, it seems a bit odd to me.
<!--QuoteBegin-V-MAN+Aug 16 2004, 05:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Aug 16 2004, 05:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Aug 16 2004, 01:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 16 2004, 01:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, no... criminals obtain weapons regardless of the law. Laws only hamper those who follow those laws.
The sensible ones stop him!
EXACTLY! The criminal has one, regardless of whether the homeowner does or not. Criminals don't <b>stop</b> carrying weapons when a homeowner stops carrying them!
The only people who are being prevented from getting a gun are those who choose to follow the laws. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is what's called a slippery slope argument, it will go nowhere. The "I must have a gun to defend myself against people who have guns" basing your argument on a slippery slope argument is just flawed.
Although criminals will obtain weapons regardless of the law it's going to be a lot harder for them to get hold of firearms if there arn't gun shops selling them and people with private collections.
Here in the UK I have yet to be a victim of crime at the hands of a firearm or know someone that has an I lived in N.Ireland for 4 years during the height of the troubles.
I have however been stabbed twice (separate occasions) but I don't go round carrying a knife with me because of it; by your flawed logic cos criminals can get knives quite easliy here in the UK I should tool myself up with some to counter it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You do realize that crime rates went up in the UK after guns were banned?
Just checking....
Also, it's not a slippery slope argument, because weapons do not get worse than guns. It's not like criminals are gonna take the next step after guns and grap a tank to rob your house.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Never been robbed or anything... but the laws are crap here in sweden.
If i send a guy to the hospital then I will go in jail (if i were 18) for beating him up and walking away alright.
Same if some 1 tryes to break in a house. If they slip on the ice infront of my frontdoor (or something similiar) and breaks his neck, i get accused for murder.
It's true and it sucks.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hate people who try to victimize the criminal... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Renegade+Aug 16 2004, 12:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Aug 16 2004, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A guy tried to car-jack me once while I was stopped on the side of the road near my base. I opened the door very swiftly and knocked him over, then got out of my HMMWV, knocked him out with a swift kick to the head (while he was still on the ground), threw his gun into the woods, tossed him into the ditch near the road and left. For all I know he's still there <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You and CWAG should team up.
<!--QuoteBegin-Renegade+Aug 16 2004, 12:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Aug 16 2004, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A guy tried to car-jack me once while I was stopped on the side of the road near my base. I opened the door very swiftly and knocked him over, then got out of my HMMWV, knocked him out with a swift kick to the head (while he was still on the ground), threw his gun into the woods, tossed him into the ditch near the road and left. For all I know he's still there <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You said HMMWV not H1/2/crap Right? Who the hell would try to carjack a military vehicle?
Really, how stupid could they be. Then again, if it were someone who was interested in a 'military' vehicle rather than someone who seemed to have confused a hmmwv with an H1 they probably would have just shot first and removed the bodies.
edit: What were they armed with? If it were just a pistol I am guessing he just thought you had an h1 and were playing Army-boy.
edit2: But why leave him in the ditch... with his weapon (albeit in the woods)...
ahh NM, I am at work and desparatly and on my lunch break trying to let my mind unwind a bit. I would probably wonder why sugar tastes sweet, or coffee is the elixer of life.
edit3: now that I think about it, now there is some pistol owned by an obvious felon with your prints on it.
I once went to my wife's Christmas party in one of the famous skyscrapers downtown. However, while changing my footwear in a cloakroom on the 40th floor, Eastern European terrorists assaulted the building and took hostage the party-goers.
Thank God for my Beretta 92FS and white vest though; after some raucous multi-floor shoot-outs, glass-smashing antics and bare-footed agony I suceeded in eliminating the criminal element.
I think this was in 1988, but my memory is hazy due to an incident involving a fire hose.
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Aug 17 2004, 12:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 17 2004, 12:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, it's not a slippery slope argument, because weapons do not get worse than guns. It's not like criminals are gonna take the next step after guns and grap a tank to rob your house.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Someone getting a firearm to defend against someone who has a firearm is a slippery slope argument.
You don't have to get worse than guns you can just get a more dangerous gun
Rifle over handgun etc
A classic example of the slippery slope argument is a memo sent the British Admiralty just before WWI asking what the point of a battleship was, the answer they got back was "to shoot other battleships" <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Another is saying that smoking weed leads to doing harder drugs like crack etc
You do not need a gun just because a criminal has one/is bigger than you. When someone breaks into my house I call the cops, let them take care of the robber, I don't run for the gun. the cops will put them away and I may get hurt, but it's better than being dead. Thats the difference between 0-3 and 10000 murders per year. (7.5x10^7%, 333.3x10^7%)
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Aug 17 2004, 05:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 17 2004, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Might I remind everyone of the Revolutionary War... if those farmers didn't have their own guns, America wouldn't be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, but we are no longer ruled by a foreign nation, and we have a government, and a standing army. That comparison makes no sense.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Aug 17 2004, 10:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 17 2004, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Might I remind everyone of the Revolutionary War... if those farmers didn't have their own guns, America wouldn't be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If France hadn't helped the US the US wouldn't be......
Need I also remind you of the war of 1812 where we put you little upstarts back in your place and reminded you who was boss! Had a different gov't been in power in London you would have been back under British rule <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes it does. America wasn't America until the civilians of a foreign country decided to leave that country and make their own. The weapons used to fight in the Revolutionary War were owned by simple, untrained farmers and other civilians who had no military history. They were defending their land, their right to freedom.
You're right, things have changed. Now America has a government. Does that mean men and women are not allowed to enjoy the same freedom they once had?! I really don't see how keeping a criminal off my property (especially out of my house) requires me to use only my fists, when I should (and am) allowed to use a gun - an often equal force to the criminal's weapon.
Call the police?! A break in that will be shorter than it takes for the police to get to the house, let alone for the criminal to steal what he or she wanted?! If I have the freedom to stop a wrongdoing while it is in the process of being completed, I'll take that freedom.
That is the reason why the right to bear arms was placed in the Constitution - for defense, to keep the government in check, in case another overthrow was necessary.
V-MAN, the farmers still had weapons, regardless of who helped or not. I also don't think a stalemate (1812) could be considered a victory for either side!
I never said I thought people shouldn't own guns. It doesn't really bother me. I just think it's silly to compare the Revolutionary War era to 2004, when virtually everything concievable has changed.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Aug 17 2004, 10:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 17 2004, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> V-MAN, the farmers still had weapons, regardless of who helped or not. I also don't think a stalemate (1812) could be considered a victory for either side! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You got your **** handed to you by hardened veterens of the Napolionic Wars and had Washington DC burned to the ground along with the White House, Hardly a Stalemate.
Quote from a site on the War of 1812
The 25th of August 1814, the British approached the heart of Washington, march down Constitution Avenue bearing a flag of truce and demand a surrender. Suddenly from a house window the flag of truce is fired apon.
The British troops rushed into the house where the shots had been fired from, and put all who were found in the house to the sword and then reduced the house to ashes. They went onto burn and destroy every building connected to the government.
While Washington burned, the president and his cabinet became fugitives fleeing westward deep into the hills of Virginia. At the White House Mrs. Madison was persuaded to leave also, and soon after the British troops arrived.
When these British soldiers who had been sent to destroy the President's house entered they found a dinner that had been made for about forty people. They ate every bit of food and drank every bottle of wine, then started to destroy the White House.
Washington D.C. the capitol of the United States was a city on fire, what had started two years earlier as the invasion and conquest of Canada had now turned into a defensive war.
The British did suffer heavy losses but they were losses we could maintain vs losses you couldn't. The Gov't in power at the time (I believe it was the Wigs) was quite happy to sign a peace treaty once the point had been made (which was don't get above your station) if the Imperialistic Torys had been in power it would have been a different story.
Hey, if you feel that way, that's fine man. I really don't think it boiled down to who was in power over in Britain - it really wasn't that simple. The result of the war was a stalemate, which is why peace was signed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Aug 17 2004, 05:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Aug 17 2004, 05:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never said I thought people shouldn't own guns. It doesn't really bother me. I just think it's silly to compare the Revolutionary War era to 2004, when virtually everything concievable has changed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, I thought guns were bad!
FALSE: Jesus and Moses used guns to fight off the Romans!
<!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Aug 17 2004, 11:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Aug 17 2004, 11:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Aug 17 2004, 05:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Aug 17 2004, 05:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never said I thought people shouldn't own guns. It doesn't really bother me. I just think it's silly to compare the Revolutionary War era to 2004, when virtually everything concievable has changed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, I thought guns were bad!
FALSE: Jesus and Moses used guns to fight off the Romans! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, that's.... interesting.
BizZy_9mm_MessiahOld School MemberJoin Date: 2003-07-25Member: 18411Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Aug 17 2004, 11:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Aug 17 2004, 11:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Aug 17 2004, 05:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Aug 17 2004, 05:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never said I thought people shouldn't own guns. It doesn't really bother me. I just think it's silly to compare the Revolutionary War era to 2004, when virtually everything concievable has changed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, I thought guns were bad!
FALSE: Jesus and Moses used guns to fight off the Romans! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Lol, and it had to be Family Guy, of course. Lol.....
UZiEight inches of C4 between the legs.Join Date: 2003-02-20Member: 13767Members
edited August 2004
The war of 1812 wasn't Canadian, it was a bunch of British Troops stationed in Canada. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You know what would be interesting, having decoration "booze" bottles filled with booze but mixed with anti-freeze. You'd know not to drink them, but someone stealing from you might take it as free booze.
Now that would be an interesting cover story. "Robber sues homeowner after getting sick from drinking stolen booze".
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Aug 17 2004, 11:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Aug 17 2004, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Renegade+Aug 16 2004, 12:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Aug 16 2004, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A guy tried to car-jack me once while I was stopped on the side of the road near my base. I opened the door very swiftly and knocked him over, then got out of my HMMWV, knocked him out with a swift kick to the head (while he was still on the ground), threw his gun into the woods, tossed him into the ditch near the road and left. For all I know he's still there <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You said HMMWV not H1/2/crap Right? Who the hell would try to carjack a military vehicle?
Really, how stupid could they be. Then again, if it were someone who was interested in a 'military' vehicle rather than someone who seemed to have confused a hmmwv with an H1 they probably would have just shot first and removed the bodies.
edit: What were they armed with? If it were just a pistol I am guessing he just thought you had an h1 and were playing Army-boy.
edit2: But why leave him in the ditch... with his weapon (albeit in the woods)...
ahh NM, I am at work and desparatly and on my lunch break trying to let my mind unwind a bit. I would probably wonder why sugar tastes sweet, or coffee is the elixer of life.
edit3: now that I think about it, now there is some pistol owned by an obvious felon with your prints on it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1. It was indeed an HMMWV, military colors, not a civilian Hummer or H2
1.5/2. He was obviously some kind of drifter, by the look of him. Judging by his behaviour he was obviously on some kind of illegal controlled substance, which, I'm guessing, skewered his inhabitions. He probably decided that car-jacking me would be a easy/a good idea because my car was stopped, pulled to the side of the road, and the engine was off.
3. He was armed with a Colt M1911A1 (Not to sure on the exact details, but it was definitely a variant of the 1911). You don't argue with that pistol.
4. For the record, I'm not an Army Boy, I'm an Army Man. Army Ranger Man. Capeesh? =P
5. That pistol is deep in the woods somewhere near Ft. Lewis. I doubt anyone will go looking for it/find it.
<b>**EDIT**</b> Since when did this become a The War of 1812 thread?
UZiEight inches of C4 between the legs.Join Date: 2003-02-20Member: 13767Members
Renegade you should of shot his **** from the get go. The bastard deserved it. Hijacking Uncle Sam's gear deserves to have their throats slit publically.
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
edited August 2004
As the guy who just came home from the police station where he works and wanted to check out the ns forums before going to bed...
Let me make some big corrections just to be <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
From skimming over the posts, I didnt read them all but... Im guessing 95% of you have never been robbed but rather been the victims of burglary, or simple theft/larceny.
You all are making the very common mistake of confusing "Robbery" with "Burglary"
So get ready for a brief lesson in criminal law. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Definition of robbery: The felonious and forcible taking of property by violence inflicted upon the victim of the robbery, or by putting such person in fear of violence.
The basics: Its a violent crime, the victim must be confronted by the criminal in person. The criminal must threaten either phyisically with a weapon, verbally or whatever so that the victim believes that harm/violence will come to them if they do not comply.
Ex: Cpl.Davis walks up to Nemisis 0 and demands his money or else he will blast him with his HMG. and sic his pet Onos on his remains.<=== robbery
Different types of robbery can include: Strong armed robbery <==ex: 3 guys surround and threaten a single victim Armed robbery <==ex: weapon is brandished at victim Home Invasion robbery<== criminals unlawfully enter your home (while your there) and threaten you and take your property.
Definition of burglary: The unlawful entry into almost any structure (not just a home or business) with the intent to commit any crime inside (this is not just limited to theft/larceny). No physical breaking and entering is required; the offender may simply trespass through an open door. Unlike robbery, which involves use of force or fear against a person, typically there is no victim present during a burglary
Intent to commit a crime once inside the building MUST be proven or else its only criminal tresspass.
Example. Cpl.Davis wants Flayra's personal computer inside his house so he can steal NS v4 . Davis gains entry to Flayra's house and goes inside unlawfully. Davis looks all over and cannot find the computer and so he leaves EMPTYHANDED.
Since I entered the house with the intent to commit a crime (even though I was unsuccessful I can still be charged with burglary even though i didnt take anything. Proving my intent in court is a differnent matter.
There can be many different degrees of burglary depending on what state you are in and depending on where the incident takes place.
Example: In some states you might have
1st degree burglary: Which is usually when the crime takes place in a dwelling where people live. <== This one is usualy considered more serious. 2nd degree burglary: This may be a commerical area such as a store. and so one and so forth.
Car burglary is also a crime in many areas.
In some states there is also a crime called "Conspiracy to commit burglary" ex: While Davis was trying to find Flayra's computer, CommunistWithAGun was standing outside as a look out. So CWAG could be charged with that.
When investigating burglarys there can be many stipulations.
If the criminal enters into a car garage, was the garage attached to the house or separate?
If the criminal burglarizes a small store where the owners live in the upper stories, if there is a direct connection (stair case, hall way etc) connecting the commerical area to the residential dwelling, then you can have 1st degree burglary, the higher charge.
Ok enough for now, I hope you guys learned something. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Now go show off your newly learned info to your friends.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Aug 17 2004, 11:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 17 2004, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey, if you feel that way, that's fine man. I really don't think it boiled down to who was in power over in Britain - it really wasn't that simple. The result of the war was a stalemate, which is why peace was signed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Fine you believe what you want about the war of 1812 hardly suprising really that you think it ended in a stalemate, I suppose you think Vietnam ended in a stalemate as well.....
Without knowing the political situation in the UK at the time you cannot really comment on it's effects upon the war of 1812.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Aug 18 2004, 08:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 18 2004, 08:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Might I remind everyone of the Revolutionary War... if those farmers didn't have their own guns, America wouldn't be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh damn, wouldn't that be a shame.
How does having a gun prevent you being attacked by someone with a gun? It takes roughly 300 milliseconds for someone to pull a trigger in response to your dash for a weapon.
God-damed gun-crazed gits...
I'm going to stop here because I'm getting the impression this post isn't going to be very nice.
Comments
The above may or may not be a scene from the movie Swordfish that may or may not have been viewed by me while very high.
I mean cmon....a pedophile chasing you through your own house and then you pull out a shotgun. That sounds too Hollywood. And it's more than just this story....(No offense).
But hey...if it's true, then my hat's off to you.
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I feel like a loser. Here I am 5'11 and 200 lbs. and I've never even been in a fight. lol. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's up to you if you want to believe me.
My friends and I were playing near my house when some car drove up real fast and screeched to a halt. The guy jumped out of the car and yelled at us to hold still. Naturally, we took off. I don't know why he decided to follow me but I ran about 30 feet to my house and slammed the door. He followed and stood outside yelling that I should 'come out' and that he 'just wanted to talk to me'.
At the time, 911 did not exist yet and I didn't want to risk putting my attention to a phone. I grabbed a knife from the kitchen and ran to where I knew there was a shotgun. I had no idea where the ammunition was but figured just the shotgun would be enough.
When I got back to the kitchen, the guy apparently decided to risk entering the house and was opening the door. I aimed the shotgun and yelled for him to go away. Thankfully he never called my bluff.
After he left I was shaking so hard I couldn't pick up anything but managed to call my Mom at work.
After calling my mom I turned on the Disney Channel and turned up the volume very loud. I just felt a terrible fear of being alone at that moment and couldn't think of anything else to do. The silence in the house was terrifying me and I didn't want to leave the kitchen so I sat on the floor.
Any psychologists out there care to comment on that behavior? Now that I look back on it, it seems a bit odd to me.
The sensible ones stop him!
EXACTLY! The criminal has one, regardless of whether the homeowner does or not. Criminals don't <b>stop</b> carrying weapons when a homeowner stops carrying them!
The only people who are being prevented from getting a gun are those who choose to follow the laws. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is what's called a slippery slope argument, it will go nowhere. The "I must have a gun to defend myself against people who have guns" basing your argument on a slippery slope argument is just flawed.
Although criminals will obtain weapons regardless of the law it's going to be a lot harder for them to get hold of firearms if there arn't gun shops selling them and people with private collections.
Here in the UK I have yet to be a victim of crime at the hands of a firearm or know someone that has an I lived in N.Ireland for 4 years during the height of the troubles.
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You do realize that crime rates went up in the UK after guns were banned?
Just checking....
Also, it's not a slippery slope argument, because weapons do not get worse than guns. It's not like criminals are gonna take the next step after guns and grap a tank to rob your house.
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If i send a guy to the hospital then I will go in jail (if i were 18) for beating him up and walking away alright.
Same if some 1 tryes to break in a house. If they slip on the ice infront of my frontdoor (or something similiar) and breaks his neck, i get accused for murder.
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I hate people who try to victimize the criminal...
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And waht do you mean with victimize?
Never found it, that kind of sucks.
You and CWAG should team up.
You said HMMWV not H1/2/crap Right? Who the hell would try to carjack a military vehicle?
Really, how stupid could they be. Then again, if it were someone who was interested in a 'military' vehicle rather than someone who seemed to have confused a hmmwv with an H1 they probably would have just shot first and removed the bodies.
edit: What were they armed with? If it were just a pistol I am guessing he just thought you had an h1 and were playing Army-boy.
edit2: But why leave him in the ditch... with his weapon (albeit in the woods)...
ahh NM, I am at work and desparatly and on my lunch break trying to let my mind unwind a bit. I would probably wonder why sugar tastes sweet, or coffee is the elixer of life.
edit3: now that I think about it, now there is some pistol owned by an obvious felon with your prints on it.
Thank God for my Beretta 92FS and white vest though; after some raucous multi-floor shoot-outs, glass-smashing antics and bare-footed agony I suceeded in eliminating the criminal element.
I think this was in 1988, but my memory is hazy due to an incident involving a fire hose.
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Someone getting a firearm to defend against someone who has a firearm is a slippery slope argument.
You don't have to get worse than guns you can just get a more dangerous gun
Rifle over handgun etc
A classic example of the slippery slope argument is a memo sent the British Admiralty just before WWI asking what the point of a battleship was, the answer they got back was "to shoot other battleships" <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Another is saying that smoking weed leads to doing harder drugs like crack etc
Yes, but we are no longer ruled by a foreign nation, and we have a government, and a standing army. That comparison makes no sense.
If France hadn't helped the US the US wouldn't be......
Need I also remind you of the war of 1812 where we put you little upstarts back in your place and reminded you who was boss! Had a different gov't been in power in London you would have been back under British rule <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes it does. America wasn't America until the civilians of a foreign country decided to leave that country and make their own. The weapons used to fight in the Revolutionary War were owned by simple, untrained farmers and other civilians who had no military history. They were defending their land, their right to freedom.
You're right, things have changed. Now America has a government. Does that mean men and women are not allowed to enjoy the same freedom they once had?! I really don't see how keeping a criminal off my property (especially out of my house) requires me to use only my fists, when I should (and am) allowed to use a gun - an often equal force to the criminal's weapon.
Call the police?! A break in that will be shorter than it takes for the police to get to the house, let alone for the criminal to steal what he or she wanted?! If I have the freedom to stop a wrongdoing while it is in the process of being completed, I'll take that freedom.
That is the reason why the right to bear arms was placed in the Constitution - for defense, to keep the government in check, in case another overthrow was necessary.
V-MAN, the farmers still had weapons, regardless of who helped or not. I also don't think a stalemate (1812) could be considered a victory for either side!
You got your **** handed to you by hardened veterens of the Napolionic Wars and had Washington DC burned to the ground along with the White House, Hardly a Stalemate.
Quote from a site on the War of 1812
The 25th of August 1814, the British approached the heart of Washington, march down Constitution Avenue bearing a flag of truce and demand a surrender. Suddenly from a house window the flag of truce is fired apon.
The British troops rushed into the house where the shots had been fired from, and put all who were found in the house to the sword and then reduced the house to ashes. They went onto burn and destroy every building connected to the government.
While Washington burned, the president and his cabinet became fugitives fleeing westward deep into the hills of Virginia. At the White House Mrs. Madison was persuaded to leave also, and soon after the British troops arrived.
When these British soldiers who had been sent to destroy the President's house entered they found a dinner that had been made for about forty people. They ate every bit of food and drank every bottle of wine, then started to destroy the White House.
Washington D.C. the capitol of the United States was a city on fire, what had started two years earlier as the invasion and conquest of Canada had now turned into a defensive war.
The British did suffer heavy losses but they were losses we could maintain vs losses you couldn't. The Gov't in power at the time (I believe it was the Wigs) was quite happy to sign a peace treaty once the point had been made (which was don't get above your station) if the Imperialistic Torys had been in power it would have been a different story.
Hey, I thought guns were bad!
FALSE: Jesus and Moses used guns to fight off the Romans!
Hey, I thought guns were bad!
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Wow, that's.... interesting.
Hey, I thought guns were bad!
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Lol, and it had to be Family Guy, of course. Lol.....
Now that would be an interesting cover story. "Robber sues homeowner after getting sick from drinking stolen booze".
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You said HMMWV not H1/2/crap Right? Who the hell would try to carjack a military vehicle?
Really, how stupid could they be. Then again, if it were someone who was interested in a 'military' vehicle rather than someone who seemed to have confused a hmmwv with an H1 they probably would have just shot first and removed the bodies.
edit: What were they armed with? If it were just a pistol I am guessing he just thought you had an h1 and were playing Army-boy.
edit2: But why leave him in the ditch... with his weapon (albeit in the woods)...
ahh NM, I am at work and desparatly and on my lunch break trying to let my mind unwind a bit. I would probably wonder why sugar tastes sweet, or coffee is the elixer of life.
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1. It was indeed an HMMWV, military colors, not a civilian Hummer or H2
1.5/2. He was obviously some kind of drifter, by the look of him. Judging by his behaviour he was obviously on some kind of illegal controlled substance, which, I'm guessing, skewered his inhabitions. He probably decided that car-jacking me would be a easy/a good idea because my car was stopped, pulled to the side of the road, and the engine was off.
3. He was armed with a Colt M1911A1 (Not to sure on the exact details, but it was definitely a variant of the 1911). You don't argue with that pistol.
4. For the record, I'm not an Army Boy, I'm an Army Man. Army Ranger Man. Capeesh? =P
5. That pistol is deep in the woods somewhere near Ft. Lewis. I doubt anyone will go looking for it/find it.
<b>**EDIT**</b> Since when did this become a The War of 1812 thread?
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From skimming over the posts, I didnt read them all but...
Im guessing 95% of you have never been robbed but rather been the victims of burglary, or simple theft/larceny.
You all are making the very common mistake of confusing "Robbery" with "Burglary"
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Definition of robbery:
The felonious and forcible taking of property by violence inflicted upon the victim of the robbery, or by putting such person in fear of violence.
The basics: Its a violent crime, the victim must be confronted by the criminal in person. The criminal must threaten either phyisically with a weapon, verbally or whatever so that the victim believes that harm/violence will come to them if they do not comply.
Ex: Cpl.Davis walks up to Nemisis 0 and demands his money or else he will blast him with his HMG. and sic his pet Onos on his remains.<=== robbery
Different types of robbery can include:
Strong armed robbery <==ex: 3 guys surround and threaten a single victim
Armed robbery <==ex: weapon is brandished at victim
Home Invasion robbery<== criminals unlawfully enter your home (while your there) and threaten you and take your property.
Definition of burglary:
The unlawful entry into almost any structure (not just a home or business) with the intent to commit any crime inside (this is not just limited to theft/larceny). No physical breaking and entering is required; the offender may simply trespass through an open door. Unlike robbery, which involves use of force or fear against a person, typically there is no victim present during a burglary
Intent to commit a crime once inside the building MUST be proven or else its only criminal tresspass.
Example. Cpl.Davis wants Flayra's personal computer inside his house so he can steal NS v4 . Davis gains entry to Flayra's house and goes inside unlawfully. Davis looks all over and cannot find the computer and so he leaves EMPTYHANDED.
Since I entered the house with the intent to commit a crime (even though I was unsuccessful I can still be charged with burglary even though i didnt take anything.
Proving my intent in court is a differnent matter.
There can be many different degrees of burglary depending on what state you are in and depending on where the incident takes place.
Example:
In some states you might have
1st degree burglary: Which is usually when the crime takes place in a dwelling where people live. <== This one is usualy considered more serious.
2nd degree burglary: This may be a commerical area such as a store.
and so one and so forth.
Car burglary is also a crime in many areas.
In some states there is also a crime called "Conspiracy to commit burglary"
ex: While Davis was trying to find Flayra's computer, CommunistWithAGun was standing outside as a look out. So CWAG could be charged with that.
When investigating burglarys there can be many stipulations.
If the criminal enters into a car garage, was the garage attached to the house or separate?
If the criminal burglarizes a small store where the owners live in the upper stories, if there is a direct connection (stair case, hall way etc) connecting the commerical area to the residential dwelling, then you can have 1st degree burglary, the higher charge.
Ok enough for now, I hope you guys learned something. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Now go show off your newly learned info to your friends.
Fine you believe what you want about the war of 1812 hardly suprising really that you think it ended in a stalemate, I suppose you think Vietnam ended in a stalemate as well.....
Without knowing the political situation in the UK at the time you cannot really comment on it's effects upon the war of 1812.
Oh damn, wouldn't that be a shame.
How does having a gun prevent you being attacked by someone with a gun? It takes roughly 300 milliseconds for someone to pull a trigger in response to your dash for a weapon.
God-damed gun-crazed gits...
I'm going to stop here because I'm getting the impression this post isn't going to be very nice.
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