<!--QuoteBegin-JezPuh+Aug 19 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JezPuh @ Aug 19 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, it does matter if he decompiles. And it does make him a bad person. A very bad person. He decompiled the hard work of other people and claimed it was his own work. Wouldn't this just make you furious? It's not right, it's not fair. It's stupid.
We did see him as a nice forum member. We forgave him 4 times. We tried to help him. But if you offer a person help every time and then find out he simply ignored it and decompiled it, you're starting to think.. He obviously doesn't need your help. Cause if he did, he'd stop decompiling. We tried to help him, don't say we didn't. Just look in older threads wich got locked. We offered him help. But once again, he has proven himself untrustworthy by breaking another promiss.
It doesn't matter what he decompiled, for all I know it was a floor (wich it wasn,t - he decompiled more). It still counts.
I can't understand why people still try to help him. It's his own problem now. We tried to help him. We offered him good help at the first wich he simply ignored. He doesn't deserve any more help. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Did he say it was his? No. In fact every time he did it he came clean that it wasnt his. He didnt try and convince us that he just made it that way and it was sheer coincidence that it was a decompile. No, he told us when he did it. He admitted it. But no, decompiling maps doesnt mean you are a bad person. It just means the particular thing you do is wrong. Hes not going to murder someone, jack your car, rape your girlfriend, steal your cash, or rob a bank. Hes not a bad person. He just got lost and confused and decided to swipe from someone elses map. And now its been deleted.
But as I said, unless you have something worth discussing in here, dont bother saying anything. Continuing the flames from the original topic will only get this one locked once again, which I do not want to happen. Im going to have to inform a moderator to just delete every post made that goes against what I've said. If you want to come up with ideas for the map, feel free to. If you want to continue the Nexus-bashing contest, do it elsewhere. I dont have time for it, and neither does anyone else. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
u do know that no matter what, every inch of this map will be searched for decompiles.
also, everyone is just tryin to understand yer mindset. if someone lets say, as simple as it is, kept untieing your shoelaces when u weren't looking. you caught him every time, and he said sry after u caught him, then told him to never do it again, and he agreed. This happened multiple times in a row, how long before u say get away, i dont wana deal with this.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[7:33:pm] <Jezpuh> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=78106&st=30&#entry1196234' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...0&#entry1196234</a> [7:33:pm] <Jezpuh> Ok, someone back me up [7:33:pm] <Jezpuh> I?m going to bed now [7:33:pm] <Jezpuh> nn all<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ok
When i first read this thread i thought it was a joke. It seems apparent now that it's not.
Recoup, you are clearly delusional. Allow me to sum up a few facts.
1) Nexus has been caught decompiling the hard work of others some 4-5 times now. 2) Decompiling and passing off maps as your own <b>is</b> against the law. 3) Just because he comes clean <b>after</b> he's been caught for stealing does not make stealing it in the first place ok. 4) If he's evidently at no fault, why is he currently temp suspended?
And as for Gendo, it's horribly built, has an appalling layout, has r_speeds in excess of 1300 (enough to start causing fps drops without any buildings, other players or such), it's generally buggy and entirely amateurish. What's more is it contains stolen materials.
If you're so desperate to create a mediocre map, why not make your own.
Esuna, I didnt say what he did was right, I said that I am deleting the decompiled parts and using the rest as a map. This way it is all original. Anyhow, I said that I dramatically fixed the r-speeds. Aparently you have a hard time reading and following what I have just said.
The rest of you, I dont want to hear it. If you hate him so much go make your own topic. I am done with your bitching. Add something constructive and productive, not something that is going to annoy the hell out of me so that I have to get a mod or admin to monitor this thing and delete every one of your posts following this one.
The insults stop here.
Right here.
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Dont say anything about it after this. Its done. Its finished. Go make your own topic and whine. Im finished. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I can't condone what Nexus did but I can't condone what many of y'all are doing either. Nexus screwed up. He screwed up many, many times although I don't believe magicially gives y'all the right to flame him and ridicule him. I know as a level designer I would be upset at someone decompiling my work or any other level designers work because I understand and respect the ammount of time that goes into these levels. Nexus is wrong. I want to believe that he's finished but I'm in the same boat as y'all in having difficulty trusting his word but even though all this y'all don't have the right anywhere to flame and ridicule him. If you have a problem with Nexus you should take it to the moderators and leave the bickering and namecalling off the forums. I swear sometimes it sounds like a preschool sandbox with all the namecalling and insults.
Rendy_CZechLife is a KoanJoin Date: 2003-10-11Member: 21608Members
Recoup, why U don't understand that this map totally sux, because Nexus sux. Nexus is total amateur mapper wich has not any idea about entities, r_speeds tweaking, hint brushes, tex lighting etc... He has no future because he is not able to learn. If he spend time reading tutorials instead of apologing, he will be much much better.
I'm <span style='color:red'>realy</span> bored, when mapper like him comes to Map forum. Made map in 5 days, anoys us with 3 screenshots per day to show us every new brush wich he recently made and he really think, someone interest that !! Then I see a thread with 5 and more pages, I click to visit it and then WTH ?? What a ****, not worth to look on it, even post reply.
If Nexus decompile ns_hulk, I will kill him for sure ...
Yeah my english sux <span style='color:red'>a lot</span>, I know... but nobody didn't make fun from me so far
i say we make a poll on either ban him or not. he lied to me, i hate liars, so im in for the ban. i mean yeah, he DID decompile our maps, which is very bad, and then he says that HE made them? wth, thats not a community person. i say we either ban him, or just tell him to stop making and decompiling maps. its one of those two options he has. im in for the ban. n e one else?
EDIT i also forgot to mention, i admit to decompiling, but i only used it to understand how the map worked and how its atmosphere was ran. and then after that, i just deleted the source. but nex, he used the source files to his own needs. i just think hes too lazy to actually DO his own work because he doesnt understand how COMPLEX this kind of thing is. i mean we spend almost an entire YEAR creating ONE level. i think we should ban him completley from the forums because if this happens again, what are we going to do? and if he DOES design his own level, how can we trust him? so this is the biggest deal we are making right now. i dont mean to flame or anything, but this is kind of getting rediciously out of hand. someone needs to put their toofbrush down and smack this tard.
so all i am trying to say is that if someone does NOT do something, we wont be able to do anything afterwards. so all in favor of banning from forums, or telling him to shut down his mapping "skills", say "I agree" for a poll.
BlackPlague do you see him writeing hier? if i would want to use this forum i would defend my self, there is no need to ban him. Leve it ppl. My good give it a break he is not hier any more. After all that i dont think that he would be so stupid to decompile any map and use it in his own. Give it a break. BAN is not neaded, he isnt flaming any one, he isnt unpleasant, Like Recoup sayed stick to the topic, make your own one for that :/.
I say stop flaming comunity members. Nem could have banned nexus if he wanted too, God knows there was certianly enough stacked against him. For what ever reason Nem chose a temp suspension, thus Nexus is still a part of this comunity, even if he is a part on the brink of expustion. Plauge, it is against administrative policy to publicly discuss diciplinary measures, please keep it to yourself.
That being said, I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to have your work stolen, but keep in mind, its not like nexus was trying to sell your work for money, he just lacked the understanding and ability to effectively make his own levels, so he buffered his ineptitude with work other people had already done. Yes we all know it isn't acceptable, but keep in mind, when you don't know how to do something, all you have to do is go ask for help or find a tutorial on the subject, what is Nexus supposed to do? he can't understand what people are saying when they try to help him, and he can't even come close to comprehending the english involved in your basic tutorial, that he was able to learn anything at all I find amazing, and that he continues to stick around here dispite the fact that he is villified, I find inspiring...
If your not gonna forgive Nexus, that's perfectly understandable, but you can either keep it to yourself or PM Nem about it, it isn't an apropriate subject for the rest of the forum. If it can't be considered flaming, than it is definately flame baiting.
As a last note, skills in mapping and archetextual vision are not one and the same thing, an amiture mapper can easily have ideas more original and intresting than a professional mapper, the difference is simply thier ability to express thier thoughts. Stop confusing ability with inspiration.
We gave him the URL to the only swedish HL mapping site in earth countless times, but he seems to ignore advice, as he does with feedback.
Recoup, you say he didn't try to pass it as his work... well, he said he didn't decompile when he made explorer, and he admitted a few days ago in IRC that he decompiled bast to make that one, same with gendo, same with his first thread ("no, no, I was only using veil as a reference!")... and then he admits it when he's caught...
If he wants to learn to map he should decompile less and read more tutorials.
btw, the last two times (explorer and gendo) I was hoping he didn't decompile anything and that he maybe had changed, but... oh, surprise! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Recoup+Aug 19 2004, 02:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Recoup @ Aug 19 2004, 02:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well he had to. He had deleted the source file for it, so the only way to get it back was to just decompile the BSP file he had. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've not mapped in months, I've used a total of 4 PC's and I'm finally on one I can call my own. I've got 95% of my original work from 8months ago and moved them across 4 PC's, I've backed up several times aswell. So how some kid manages not to backup and delete his source files all the time and decompile is beyond me. Word of advice to all (which most do anyway) ... NEVER DELETE SOURCE FILES - ALWAYS BACK UP. Common sense really =/ Little bit of wisdom for those that don't do it though.
Recoup, you can't sit there and say "decompiling is wrong!" when you're in fact condoning it by doing this. You're not helping him, he doesn't want to be helped. You may sit there and hope, but next time he decides to launch up VHE and start on a new map, he'll still rip portions from another map. Don't tell me it isn't so, he's done it 5 times by now. And come out clean and confessed it? That's like confessing to theft after having sold the item you stole. It means nothing. He's repeatedly proven his worth when it comes to mapping, and while I too disagree with the treatment he sometimes receives from other forum members, I can't say he doesn't deserve it.
You're doing a nice thing for a new mapper, but this guy does not want to be helped. He's proven it. I'll now leave the thread alone and shake my head at the so called discussion, but I'd keep an eye on any of Nexus' releases after you finish vertigo. He seems to like your screenshots, maybe he'll want to..."borrow"..some of your map. But it's fine right? He'll 'fess up anyway, right?
I thought that this was a Gendo remake thread, but I see it's now a "flame Nexus and the people trying to help him out" thread. Amazing how off-topic threads become.
-Nexus joins the forum, posts screenshots of his map that looks surprisingly like ns_veil's readyroom only the textures are misaligned a change in lighting. When confronted, Nexus denies ever using a decompiler. -Nexus is proven to have decompiled, he admits and says he won't do it again. Apology accepted. -Nexus makes a new map, that instead looks alot like ns_nothing both in architectural style and texturing. When confronted, Nexus admits to have used a decompiler and says he won't do it again. -Users are starting to get really annoyed with Nexus, but they still accept his apology. -Nexus starts yet another map, and shows screenshots that look surprisingly like ns_bast's N Corridor (and other areas). People accuse him of decompiling, Nexus denies. -Later Nexus posts a screenshot of an area that looks really good - later it's found out he stole it from an open source map and also admits to have decompiled ns_bast. He says he won't do it again. -STILL, his apology is accepted. -Nexus starts the Powerhouse thread (aka Powercliterus - which was one of the most amusing threads on this forum might I add) where he's basically stealing from Ken Banks. He wanted to "remake" ns_powerhouse which was created by ken20banks because he was "never going to finish it anyway" which is the same as stealing from someone's map since he was remaking it from the screenshots (without Ken Banks' permission). Anyhow, Nexus is ridiculed, thread is locked, etc. -Next, he starts work on Gendo. By now most users can't be arsed to mention decompiling again, as Nexus was very defensive on that issue. When Gendo is released, it is proven to be decompiled. -Nexus admits, says he won't do it again and starts flaming various users, calling them for example "blue dacks". Thread gets locked and Nexus gets a temp suspension.
Do you not think we have been tolerant enough? Also, I see it being mentioned that Nexus was never mean to someone. REALLY?! Check the Gendo thread, you can see him flaming several users there (unless it has been edited since).
All in all, I think Nexus has been given enough chances. If he's really so obsessed with mapping, I think he's better off mapping for another mod, or atleast coming back under a different name. I know I have lost all respect for him.
edit: forgot the powerhouse thread. Thanks Ron2K for reminding me.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mendasp+Aug 20 2004, 12:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Aug 20 2004, 12:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> me? being an ****? he decompiled <b>five times</b> (he actually gave us a nice list in IRC: veil, nothing, bast, eclipse and those open source maps from DaveJ), so, really, I can't understand why are you still trying to help him, he's not ever going to change, he has said "OH I WON'T DO IT AGAIN" every time...
Seriously, he doesn't deserve <b>ANY</b> respect, unless he somehow improves without using that freaking decompiler ever again...
This situation has been repeating forever since he joined the forums... but whatever you want, I guess. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <b>Amen.</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-Recoup+Aug 20 2004, 02:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Recoup @ Aug 20 2004, 02:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-JezPuh+Aug 19 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JezPuh @ Aug 19 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, it does matter if he decompiles. And it does make him a bad person. A very bad person. He decompiled the hard work of other people and claimed it was his own work. Wouldn't this just make you furious? It's not right, it's not fair. It's stupid.
We did see him as a nice forum member. We forgave him 4 times. We tried to help him. But if you offer a person help every time and then find out he simply ignored it and decompiled it, you're starting to think.. He obviously doesn't need your help. Cause if he did, he'd stop decompiling. We tried to help him, don't say we didn't. Just look in older threads wich got locked. We offered him help. But once again, he has proven himself untrustworthy by breaking another promiss.
It doesn't matter what he decompiled, for all I know it was a floor (wich it wasn,t - he decompiled more). It still counts.
I can't understand why people still try to help him. It's his own problem now. We tried to help him. We offered him good help at the first wich he simply ignored. He doesn't deserve any more help. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Did he say it was his? No. In fact every time he did it he came clean that it wasnt his. He didnt try and convince us that he just made it that way and it was sheer coincidence that it was a decompile. No, he told us when he did it. He admitted it. But no, decompiling maps doesnt mean you are a bad person. It just means the particular thing you do is wrong. Hes not going to murder someone, jack your car, rape your girlfriend, steal your cash, or rob a bank. Hes not a bad person. He just got lost and confused and decided to swipe from someone elses map. And now its been deleted.
But as I said, unless you have something worth discussing in here, dont bother saying anything. Continuing the flames from the original topic will only get this one locked once again, which I do not want to happen. Im going to have to inform a moderator to just delete every post made that goes against what I've said. If you want to come up with ideas for the map, feel free to. If you want to continue the Nexus-bashing contest, do it elsewhere. I dont have time for it, and neither does anyone else. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, I'd see decompilling as stealing. You simply steal a persons hard work.
And even if he admits? It doesn't make the situation for him any better. And I seriously doubt he's confused or something like that. He's a healthy person who knows what he's doing. You don't just decompile a map out of confusion of on accident. No it, was quite obvious that he knew what he doing all along. He tried to be sneaky again but got caught, again. How would you feel if a person keeps stealing your work and says it his own? 5 times in a row. I'd be mad angry.
"He didnt try and convince us that he just made it that way and it was sheer coincidence that it was a decompile." - What do you mean by that? He did try to convince us, many times. Remember how he kept claiming it's his own work? I'd see that as trying to convince us. And how could it be coincidence that this was a decompile? :\
Actually, as you can see, we're not flaming. Well, at least I'm not. I can say whatever I think about it and I think a moderator will understand that I may say whatever I want as long as it's not a flame. I'm trying to bash nexus here, I'm trying to convince you that's he's untrustworthy and that he shouldn't been given another chance. This is his 5th chance. Which means he completly ignored the other 4.
damn, you should be a preacher for ns hahah <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but no, what you did state was TRUE 100%! this kid is gettin outta hand.
---- sorry to go off topic but i have someones map, but i dont know whos it is.... id like to use it if it hasnt already been used? because its really nice and it kind of fits into my map <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> im not going to use it with out any ones permission. ----
<!--QuoteBegin-BlackPlague+Aug 20 2004, 02:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlackPlague @ Aug 20 2004, 02:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> damn, you should be a preacher for ns hahah <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but no, what you did state was TRUE 100%! this kid is gettin outta hand.
---- sorry to go off topic but i have someones map, but i dont know whos it is.... id like to use it if it hasnt already been used? because its really nice and it kind of fits into my map <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> im not going to use it with out any ones permission. ----
<img src='http://www.mxs.us/bpdesigns/images/something.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you talking about me?
And sorry to break you, but please edit your post and get that vhe shot out of here, make a new thread for it. Because we don't want to start a new flame war because of you if you get my point.
Someday I'm waiting for Nz_Nexus to come out with a new map or something,And I might laugh when he does and comes out with an awesome,extraordinary map that will blow people out of the water. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm waiting for something like that.
For me I've learned to forgive and forget and move and not continue on some things and get something started which turns it into a huge ****storm. <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I just let the other people say what they got to say and let some of them make <blank's> out of themselves sometimes it's rather funny to see and it not be me being an accessory to stupidity.
<!--QuoteBegin-Firedragon+Aug 20 2004, 09:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firedragon @ Aug 20 2004, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just let the other people say what they got to say and let some of them make <blank's> out of themselves sometimes it's rather funny to see and it not be me being an accessory to stupidity. Firedragon <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If Nexus stops the decompiles, the he is great Level-Designer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ferren+Aug 20 2004, 02:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ferren @ Aug 20 2004, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Firedragon+Aug 20 2004, 09:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firedragon @ Aug 20 2004, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just let the other people say what they got to say and let some of them make <blank's> out of themselves sometimes it's rather funny to see and it not be me being an accessory to stupidity. Firedragon <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If Nexus stops the decompiles, the he is great Level-Designer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Stops the decompiles, and learns to map properly, surely.
Take a look at gendo, r_speeds so high that have an impact on fps and appalling map layout.
dragon, thats never going to happen, hes just going to decompile, decompile, and keep doin it and wiping his butt with it. so its not a chance of seeing what he can do, its a chance of whos map hes going to decompile next.
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We did see him as a nice forum member. We forgave him 4 times. We tried to help him. But if you offer a person help every time and then find out he simply ignored it and decompiled it, you're starting to think.. He obviously doesn't need your help. Cause if he did, he'd stop decompiling. We tried to help him, don't say we didn't. Just look in older threads wich got locked. We offered him help. But once again, he has proven himself untrustworthy by breaking another promiss.
It doesn't matter what he decompiled, for all I know it was a floor (wich it wasn,t - he decompiled more). It still counts.
I can't understand why people still try to help him. It's his own problem now. We tried to help him. We offered him good help at the first wich he simply ignored. He doesn't deserve any more help. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did he say it was his? No. In fact every time he did it he came clean that it wasnt his. He didnt try and convince us that he just made it that way and it was sheer coincidence that it was a decompile. No, he told us when he did it. He admitted it. But no, decompiling maps doesnt mean you are a bad person. It just means the particular thing you do is wrong. Hes not going to murder someone, jack your car, rape your girlfriend, steal your cash, or rob a bank. Hes not a bad person. He just got lost and confused and decided to swipe from someone elses map. And now its been deleted.
But as I said, unless you have something worth discussing in here, dont bother saying anything. Continuing the flames from the original topic will only get this one locked once again, which I do not want to happen. Im going to have to inform a moderator to just delete every post made that goes against what I've said. If you want to come up with ideas for the map, feel free to. If you want to continue the Nexus-bashing contest, do it elsewhere. I dont have time for it, and neither does anyone else. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
also, everyone is just tryin to understand yer mindset. if someone lets say, as simple as it is, kept untieing your shoelaces when u weren't looking. you caught him every time, and he said sry after u caught him, then told him to never do it again, and he agreed. This happened multiple times in a row, how long before u say get away, i dont wana deal with this.
[7:33:pm] <Jezpuh> Ok, someone back me up
[7:33:pm] <Jezpuh> I?m going to bed now
[7:33:pm] <Jezpuh> nn all<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok
Recoup, you are clearly delusional. Allow me to sum up a few facts.
1) Nexus has been caught decompiling the hard work of others some 4-5 times now.
2) Decompiling and passing off maps as your own <b>is</b> against the law.
3) Just because he comes clean <b>after</b> he's been caught for stealing does not make stealing it in the first place ok.
4) If he's evidently at no fault, why is he currently temp suspended?
And as for Gendo, it's horribly built, has an appalling layout, has r_speeds in excess of 1300 (enough to start causing fps drops without any buildings, other players or such), it's generally buggy and entirely amateurish. What's more is it contains stolen materials.
If you're so desperate to create a mediocre map, why not make your own.
The rest of you, I dont want to hear it. If you hate him so much go make your own topic. I am done with your bitching. Add something constructive and productive, not something that is going to annoy the hell out of me so that I have to get a mod or admin to monitor this thing and delete every one of your posts following this one.
The insults stop here.
Right here.
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I'm <span style='color:red'>realy</span> bored, when mapper like him comes to Map forum. Made map in 5 days, anoys us with 3 screenshots per day to show us every new brush wich he recently made and he really think, someone interest that !! Then I see a thread with 5 and more pages, I click to visit it and then WTH ?? What a ****, not worth to look on it, even post reply.
If Nexus decompile ns_hulk, I will kill him for sure ...
Yeah my english sux <span style='color:red'>a lot</span>, I know... but nobody didn't make fun from me so far
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i also forgot to mention, i admit to decompiling, but i only used it to understand how the map worked and how its atmosphere was ran. and then after that, i just deleted the source. but nex, he used the source files to his own needs. i just think hes too lazy to actually DO his own work because he doesnt understand how COMPLEX this kind of thing is. i mean we spend almost an entire YEAR creating ONE level. i think we should ban him completley from the forums because if this happens again, what are we going to do? and if he DOES design his own level, how can we trust him? so this is the biggest deal we are making right now. i dont mean to flame or anything, but this is kind of getting rediciously out of hand. someone needs to put their toofbrush down and smack this tard.
so all i am trying to say is that if someone does NOT do something, we wont be able to do anything afterwards. so all in favor of banning from forums, or telling him to shut down his mapping "skills", say "I agree" for a poll.
That being said, I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to have your work stolen, but keep in mind, its not like nexus was trying to sell your work for money, he just lacked the understanding and ability to effectively make his own levels, so he buffered his ineptitude with work other people had already done. Yes we all know it isn't acceptable, but keep in mind, when you don't know how to do something, all you have to do is go ask for help or find a tutorial on the subject, what is Nexus supposed to do? he can't understand what people are saying when they try to help him, and he can't even come close to comprehending the english involved in your basic tutorial, that he was able to learn anything at all I find amazing, and that he continues to stick around here dispite the fact that he is villified, I find inspiring...
If your not gonna forgive Nexus, that's perfectly understandable, but you can either keep it to yourself or PM Nem about it, it isn't an apropriate subject for the rest of the forum. If it can't be considered flaming, than it is definately flame baiting.
As a last note, skills in mapping and archetextual vision are not one and the same thing, an amiture mapper can easily have ideas more original and intresting than a professional mapper, the difference is simply thier ability to express thier thoughts. Stop confusing ability with inspiration.
Recoup, you say he didn't try to pass it as his work... well, he said he didn't decompile when he made explorer, and he admitted a few days ago in IRC that he decompiled bast to make that one, same with gendo, same with his first thread ("no, no, I was only using veil as a reference!")... and then he admits it when he's caught...
If he wants to learn to map he should decompile less and read more tutorials.
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I've not mapped in months, I've used a total of 4 PC's and I'm finally on one I can call my own. I've got 95% of my original work from 8months ago and moved them across 4 PC's, I've backed up several times aswell. So how some kid manages not to backup and delete his source files all the time and decompile is beyond me. Word of advice to all (which most do anyway) ... NEVER DELETE SOURCE FILES - ALWAYS BACK UP. Common sense really =/ Little bit of wisdom for those that don't do it though.
You're doing a nice thing for a new mapper, but this guy does not want to be helped. He's proven it. I'll now leave the thread alone and shake my head at the so called discussion, but I'd keep an eye on any of Nexus' releases after you finish vertigo. He seems to like your screenshots, maybe he'll want to..."borrow"..some of your map. But it's fine right? He'll 'fess up anyway, right?
-Nexus joins the forum, posts screenshots of his map that looks surprisingly like ns_veil's readyroom only the textures are misaligned a change in lighting. When confronted, Nexus denies ever using a decompiler.
-Nexus is proven to have decompiled, he admits and says he won't do it again. Apology accepted.
-Nexus makes a new map, that instead looks alot like ns_nothing both in architectural style and texturing. When confronted, Nexus admits to have used a decompiler and says he won't do it again.
-Users are starting to get really annoyed with Nexus, but they still accept his apology.
-Nexus starts yet another map, and shows screenshots that look surprisingly like ns_bast's N Corridor (and other areas). People accuse him of decompiling, Nexus denies.
-Later Nexus posts a screenshot of an area that looks really good - later it's found out he stole it from an open source map and also admits to have decompiled ns_bast. He says he won't do it again.
-STILL, his apology is accepted.
-Nexus starts the Powerhouse thread (aka Powercliterus - which was one of the most amusing threads on this forum might I add) where he's basically stealing from Ken Banks. He wanted to "remake" ns_powerhouse which was created by ken20banks because he was "never going to finish it anyway" which is the same as stealing from someone's map since he was remaking it from the screenshots (without Ken Banks' permission). Anyhow, Nexus is ridiculed, thread is locked, etc.
-Next, he starts work on Gendo. By now most users can't be arsed to mention decompiling again, as Nexus was very defensive on that issue. When Gendo is released, it is proven to be decompiled.
-Nexus admits, says he won't do it again and starts flaming various users, calling them for example "blue dacks". Thread gets locked and Nexus gets a temp suspension.
Do you not think we have been tolerant enough? Also, I see it being mentioned that Nexus was never mean to someone. REALLY?! Check the Gendo thread, you can see him flaming several users there (unless it has been edited since).
All in all, I think Nexus has been given enough chances. If he's really so obsessed with mapping, I think he's better off mapping for another mod, or atleast coming back under a different name. I know I have lost all respect for him.
edit: forgot the powerhouse thread. Thanks Ron2K for reminding me.
Seriously, he doesn't deserve <b>ANY</b> respect, unless he somehow improves without using that freaking decompiler ever again...
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<b>Amen.</b>
We did see him as a nice forum member. We forgave him 4 times. We tried to help him. But if you offer a person help every time and then find out he simply ignored it and decompiled it, you're starting to think.. He obviously doesn't need your help. Cause if he did, he'd stop decompiling. We tried to help him, don't say we didn't. Just look in older threads wich got locked. We offered him help. But once again, he has proven himself untrustworthy by breaking another promiss.
It doesn't matter what he decompiled, for all I know it was a floor (wich it wasn,t - he decompiled more). It still counts.
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Did he say it was his? No. In fact every time he did it he came clean that it wasnt his. He didnt try and convince us that he just made it that way and it was sheer coincidence that it was a decompile. No, he told us when he did it. He admitted it. But no, decompiling maps doesnt mean you are a bad person. It just means the particular thing you do is wrong. Hes not going to murder someone, jack your car, rape your girlfriend, steal your cash, or rob a bank. Hes not a bad person. He just got lost and confused and decided to swipe from someone elses map. And now its been deleted.
But as I said, unless you have something worth discussing in here, dont bother saying anything. Continuing the flames from the original topic will only get this one locked once again, which I do not want to happen. Im going to have to inform a moderator to just delete every post made that goes against what I've said. If you want to come up with ideas for the map, feel free to. If you want to continue the Nexus-bashing contest, do it elsewhere. I dont have time for it, and neither does anyone else. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, I'd see decompilling as stealing. You simply steal a persons hard work.
And even if he admits? It doesn't make the situation for him any better. And I seriously doubt he's confused or something like that. He's a healthy person who knows what he's doing. You don't just decompile a map out of confusion of on accident. No it, was quite obvious that he knew what he doing all along. He tried to be sneaky again but got caught, again. How would you feel if a person keeps stealing your work and says it his own? 5 times in a row. I'd be mad angry.
"He didnt try and convince us that he just made it that way and it was sheer coincidence that it was a decompile." - What do you mean by that? He did try to convince us, many times. Remember how he kept claiming it's his own work? I'd see that as trying to convince us. And how could it be coincidence that this was a decompile? :\
Actually, as you can see, we're not flaming. Well, at least I'm not. I can say whatever I think about it and I think a moderator will understand that I may say whatever I want as long as it's not a flame. I'm trying to bash nexus here, I'm trying to convince you that's he's untrustworthy and that he shouldn't been given another chance. This is his 5th chance. Which means he completly ignored the other 4.
but no, what you did state was TRUE 100%! this kid is gettin outta hand.
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sorry to go off topic but i have someones map, but i dont know whos it is.... id like to use it if it hasnt already been used? because its really nice and it kind of fits into my map <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> im not going to use it with out any ones permission.
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but no, what you did state was TRUE 100%! this kid is gettin outta hand.
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sorry to go off topic but i have someones map, but i dont know whos it is.... id like to use it if it hasnt already been used? because its really nice and it kind of fits into my map <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> im not going to use it with out any ones permission.
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Are you talking about me?
And sorry to break you, but please edit your post and get that vhe shot out of here, make a new thread for it. Because we don't want to start a new flame war because of you if you get my point.
Did you decompile that by the way?
Reported it <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
Someday I'm waiting for Nz_Nexus to come out with a new map or something,And I might laugh when he does and comes out with an awesome,extraordinary map that will blow people out of the water. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm waiting for something like that.
For me I've learned to forgive and forget and move and not continue on some things and get something started which turns it into a huge ****storm. <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I just let the other people say what they got to say and let some of them make <blank's> out of themselves sometimes it's rather funny to see and it not be me being an accessory to stupidity.
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If Nexus stops the decompiles, the he is great Level-Designer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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If Nexus stops the decompiles, the he is great Level-Designer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stops the decompiles, and learns to map properly, surely.
Take a look at gendo, r_speeds so high that have an impact on fps and appalling map layout.