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Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
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Long ago there was a nation, which controlled its people by subliminality. What its people thought were merely mirrored illusions of the true intent. Its leaders exploiting a document set nearly 300 years, its beginning. The document has been amended many times since its creation, usually angled towards controlling its workforce. Another document to complete the charade was a list of rights granted to all the populace. From the begining of its economy was fueled by the exploitation of the poor and when this was too obvious labor was used overseas.The children of small weak nations easily exploited. The threat of war looming.
The most booming and powerful economy in the world second to none, a record surpasing all with the except of its war record. It would seem by some insight that its economy was fueled by war, without it many products would stop production. Every decade in the modern era there has been some sort of conflict involving the nation. Everyone drinks cola, and public opinion is throttled with an alert system cleverly disguised as a warning tool. The nation is freedomless, but it is cleverly disguised as the most free nation of the world. The nation is notorious for its conflicts with ideals of peace, equality, and other freedoms. Selling out its populace to fund the war effort is merely an investment which returns come in the form of overseas production and cheap labor. A aristocracy claiming democracy. The corporations control everything that people do, what they eat, what they wear, and how they live based on ideals that are unattainable. The nation had developped nuclear weapons in its second century, a double edged sword. It created a shaky and unwanted peace between rival industrialized nations. Without war the economy had suffered, yet war could spell nuclear arms exchange. A clever idea of "assisting" a small "allied" southern pacific nation experiencing civil war became the solution. Victory was not requried, merely production. A sad state of doomed, despairing, opressed, and redicuously stupid herd of sheep.
I want everyone to take this at face value and comment (if you want) based on what you read. This has not been grammar and spell checked so I apollogize ahead of time.
The most booming and powerful economy in the world second to none, a record surpasing all with the except of its war record. It would seem by some insight that its economy was fueled by war, without it many products would stop production. Every decade in the modern era there has been some sort of conflict involving the nation. Everyone drinks cola, and public opinion is throttled with an alert system cleverly disguised as a warning tool. The nation is freedomless, but it is cleverly disguised as the most free nation of the world. The nation is notorious for its conflicts with ideals of peace, equality, and other freedoms. Selling out its populace to fund the war effort is merely an investment which returns come in the form of overseas production and cheap labor. A aristocracy claiming democracy. The corporations control everything that people do, what they eat, what they wear, and how they live based on ideals that are unattainable. The nation had developped nuclear weapons in its second century, a double edged sword. It created a shaky and unwanted peace between rival industrialized nations. Without war the economy had suffered, yet war could spell nuclear arms exchange. A clever idea of "assisting" a small "allied" southern pacific nation experiencing civil war became the solution. Victory was not requried, merely production. A sad state of doomed, despairing, opressed, and redicuously stupid herd of sheep.
I want everyone to take this at face value and comment (if you want) based on what you read. This has not been grammar and spell checked so I apollogize ahead of time.
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I wouldn't descriminate, all business thrives on it.
I wouldn't descriminate, all business thrives on it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Though a business that did not take advantage of all opportunities would quickly fail.
I wouldn't descriminate, all business thrives on it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My business makes office furniture. Care to make the connection?
I could go through this line by line and point out the unfounded and ad hoc generalizations but instead I'll try to point out the filter used to narrow this interpretation:
Think of it in terms of TRON-this interpretation has the viewpoint of a program, meanwhile the reality is that we are all users.
It isn't the government that creates this scenario, it's the sad performance of individuals who have perverted the freedoms (or lack of control) provided by "the document".
Oh and to link furniture. Someone has to mine the materials that go into it. Cheap labor has to come from somewhere.
I think that there are correlations between war and a good economy.
I think you give "the nation" too much respect - the nation, or government or big business is not capable of such a big master plan. I think each of them have found their nitch, and each contribue to an element of degredation in society, but none are the perpetrators of said degredation.
There are many sheep people - just watch Jerry Springer - the whole audience is full of sheep.
No, I don't think your sentiments are new by any means. Every few generations repeat this cycle. Our current generation (18-25) happens to be on the tail end of a lot of prosperity (began durring the WW erra). It is a natural part of civilizations. They rise and fall, why should the USA be any different?
Also, Nuclear Weapons aren't the end all of destructive power. War evolves. Yeah, it is the biggest thing we have right now, but even that changes.
I guess this is the outlook of the world - very cold, very harsh. There is no love, no joy, and at the risk of sounding ultra religous - no God. I'm thankful that my security lies in something bigger than "the nation".
I think that there are correlations between war and a good economy.
I think you give "the nation" too much respect - the nation, or government or big business is not capable of such a big master plan. I think each of them have found their nitch, and each contribue to an element of degredation in society, but none are the perpetrators of said degredation.
There are many sheep people - just watch Jerry Springer - the whole audience is full of sheep.
No, I don't think your sentiments are new by any means. Every few generations repeat this cycle. Our current generation (18-25) happens to be on the tail end of a lot of prosperity (began durring the WW erra). It is a natural part of civilizations. They rise and fall, why should the USA be any different?
Also, Nuclear Weapons aren't the end all of destructive power. War evolves. Yeah, it is the biggest thing we have right now, but even that changes.
I guess this is the outlook of the world - very cold, very harsh. There is no love, no joy, and at the risk of sounding ultra religous - no God. I'm thankful that my security lies in something bigger than "the nation". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly the type of response I was hoping for...you sir have made my day.
Ah yes, I had forgotten. Good thing we conquered Pennsylvania.
Ah yes, I had forgotten. Good thing we conquered Pennsylvania. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, those Amish put up one Hell of a fight . . .
Ah yes, I had forgotten. Good thing we conquered Pennsylvania. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, those Amish put up one Hell of a fight . . . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't joke. We are still fighting them here. I've been the victim of many an Amish drive-by.
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I think that there are correlations between war and a good economy.
I think you give "the nation" too much respect - the nation, or government or big business is not capable of such a big master plan. I think each of them have found their nitch, and each contribue to an element of degredation in society, but none are the perpetrators of said degredation.
There are many sheep people - just watch Jerry Springer - the whole audience is full of sheep.
No, I don't think your sentiments are new by any means. Every few generations repeat this cycle. Our current generation (18-25) happens to be on the tail end of a lot of prosperity (began durring the WW erra). It is a natural part of civilizations. They rise and fall, why should the USA be any different?
Also, Nuclear Weapons aren't the end all of destructive power. War evolves. Yeah, it is the biggest thing we have right now, but even that changes.
I guess this is the outlook of the world - very cold, very harsh. There is no love, no joy, and at the risk of sounding ultra religous - no God. I'm thankful that my security lies in something bigger than "the nation". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly the type of response I was hoping for...you sir have made my day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why were you hoping for that sort of response?
Or something.
I agree with him on that however <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
One day a man builds a box. The box is similar to previous boxes only this particular box can carry anything the carrier needs. Over many years, the box carries food, earth, and water. Occasionally the box carries money, blood, and ammunition. After a few 100 years, the descendent of the box's creator crawls inside the box and procedes to complain about being inside the box.
The generation now coming of age - my brother's, and the generation of many members of this board - are those coming of age in the time of crisis. You are, according to this theory, a generation of "heroes," because it will be you that grows up during and leads the country through the coming crisis.
What will the crisis be? Hard to say. The next few decades, however, may be a very painful time to be alive... the last crisis, as I said, was World War 1. It was followed by the Great Depression, a "reconstruction" period, which experienced a "minor crisis" (in the words of the theory) - WW2 - and then transitioned into a golden age: the New Deal and the spiritual awakening of the 1960s. The 80s and 90s have seen the slow end of that boom, a growing decadence and fading brilliance. If we are to follow that model, our reconstruction will be the 20s and 30s, and our next golden age will be in the 40s.
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The form has replayed itself three times now in America's history; the Civil War and the events that led up to it were the crisis that preceded WW1.
People see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe, particularly the far right and far left. The far right has become too deluded with "saving the country's morals," a task that our government was not designed to undertake, and the far left has always been for the government controlling more aspects of its citizens.
The right believes that government's primary job is to provide National Security from outside enemies. The left believes that the government's job is to educate, give employment to, provide medical care, and protect its citizens. The mentality of the right is that people are best of helping themselves; the left's mentality is that the people are best if helped and supported by government.
Please keep in mind, neither political party 100 % follows these philosophies, but that's the general idea behind both.
My question for you CWAG is this: are you railing against America's economic system, government system, or both?
If both, please clarify your actual positions, instead of using a thinly veiled metaphor ^^. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I also agree with Illuminex. Governments live to propogate themselves. I think that is one reason that countries go through "revolutions". Governments get too big for their own good, and the people revolt - in favor of a smaller government. Issues like "no taxation without representation" are still alive today - I hate taxes because I don't feel as though my vote "counts" in my state. I hate public education - yet I am taxed for this.
Now my perspective is (to quote JibJab) a "right wing nut job" - I am all for small government. I think it is the sheep mentality - propogated by "big business" that causes standard american individual x to want government to be his dad - pay for education, pay for medical, pay for his lack of a job, etc. etc. etc. I don't think that those issues are the governments responisbility.
Whose is it then? Well, the individual of course - but also the church. Yes, I know that the church has "failed" in helping the needy of our country in large part - causing the need for the government to "fill the role" - but I think that is an area the church can do better in.
For instance, in my church if there is a needy congregation memeber (lost job, etc.) they go to the board of deacons who will give them money, no strings attached, to help them through the tough time.
Same with school - I know of many churches fed up with public education that either homeschool or start a private school. Medical - help the family - pay a bill.
The crisis, I believe, will be a crisis of values. Will we depend on the government for everything, or the other big G word.
Bush is not a conservative. He's a neo-conservative. Very different.
The most booming and powerful economy in the world second to none, a record surpasing all with the except of its war record. It would seem by some insight that its economy was fueled by war, without it many products would stop production. Every decade in the modern era there has been some sort of conflict involving the nation. Everyone drinks cola, and public opinion is throttled with an alert system cleverly disguised as a warning tool. The nation is freedomless, but it is cleverly disguised as the most free nation of the world. The nation is notorious for its conflicts with ideals of peace, equality, and other freedoms. Selling out its populace to fund the war effort is merely an investment which returns come in the form of overseas production and cheap labor. A aristocracy claiming democracy. The corporations control everything that people do, what they eat, what they wear, and how they live based on ideals that are unattainable. The nation had developped nuclear weapons in its second century, a double edged sword. It created a shaky and unwanted peace between rival industrialized nations. Without war the economy had suffered, yet war could spell nuclear arms exchange. A clever idea of "assisting" a small "allied" southern pacific nation experiencing civil war became the solution. Victory was not requried, merely production. A sad state of doomed, despairing, opressed, and redicuously stupid herd of sheep.
I want everyone to take this at face value and comment (if you want) based on what you read. This has not been grammar and spell checked so I apollogize ahead of time. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont know, it really sticks in my throat to be lectured on freedom by a man packing in his avatar the symbol of absolute tyranny and evil - the hammer and sickle.
So let me outline another little scenario for you. In our society is a vocal minority, mainly based around universities, that exists in a angry and paranoid fantasy. Living in a modern free democracy, with access to vast amounts of information, free education, amazing medical technology, the right to vote, and relative safety in their own home, these peculiar individuals can find nothing in this world so evil as that which provides them these incredible gifts. Not for them to carry the cross for the poor souls in North Korea, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan and the other tens of countries who suffer from virtual slavery, constant brutality and total domination - the real evil is in the West. Every day they rage against the lack of freedom in society, right before travelling three states to attend an anti-Government rally only permitted by their constitutionally granted right to protest. They publish inflamatory, disgustingly biased material in high volumes; volumes usually inversly proportional to the quality of them - never realising that the mere fact that are able defeats their claim that freedom doesnt exist.
Unfortunately for this deluded few, the system of governing they proposed had until this point only ever produced totalitarianism, death and torture, ranking in the hundreds of millions, so talking up their own answer to the supposed "Capitalist" problem was never going to be easy. Thus they became a collection of whiners and complainers, leaping upon every cause they could, no matter how hypocritical, and blaming these problems upon capitalism. Sexism? Racism? Homophobia? Environmental destruction? Not for them to shoulder the responsibility and tackle the problems - instead they scapegoated capitalism and shouted cliched rants in the streets. As everyone knows, when your own arguement is full of holes, going on the offensive against the opposition is a great way to cover your seive. What other group could on the one hand call religion "The opiate of the masses" ie the delusion of the illinformed and incorrect masses, yet claim that religious intolerance is wrong?
But their entertaining activities didnt stop there. War, which has plagued human society since the beginning of history, was suddenly one of the symptoms of capitalist society. The fact that large portions of the population supported its leaders in certain wars in no way a problem for them - clearly everyone that supported war had been brainwashed by the evil capitalists.
Corporations that provide people with what they want were not spared by these champions of irrationality - exercising your freedom to purchase whatever food you want, and deciding upon McDonalds, or deciding to buy clothes at Walmart suddenly became proof that these evil corporations controlled our lives. Freedom = slavery - get it? Me neither.
Fortunately, the world has come to realise the danger of listening to this naive mob, and the chance of one of their "revolutions" coming pass in civilised countries is definately dead. Which is a damned good thing for the author of the above, because come the revolution he'd be the first against the wall....
So please, all excuse this, doomed (yet full of hope), despairing (yet euphoric), oppressed (but marvellously free) and rediculously stupid (yet vitally interested in philosophy, politics, science, theology, veterinary medicine, mathematics, social issues and military matters) sheep as he heads out, fearing no secret police, no beatings by militias, to head to a well stocked supermarket, to purchase food with his own earned money.
MARINE01!!!! *Applause*
You hipocrite, if I were to say that the crucafix was a symbol of tyrany and evil (remember the crusades? The inquisition?) you would flame me off the face of the earth, yet here you post similar rubbish. The hammer and sickle are traditionaly symbols of the working class.
The most booming and powerful economy in the world second to none, a record surpasing all with the except of its war record. It would seem by some insight that its economy was fueled by war, without it many products would stop production. Every decade in the modern era there has been some sort of conflict involving the nation. Everyone drinks cola, and public opinion is throttled with an alert system cleverly disguised as a warning tool. The nation is freedomless, but it is cleverly disguised as the most free nation of the world. The nation is notorious for its conflicts with ideals of peace, equality, and other freedoms. Selling out its populace to fund the war effort is merely an investment which returns come in the form of overseas production and cheap labor. A aristocracy claiming democracy. The corporations control everything that people do, what they eat, what they wear, and how they live based on ideals that are unattainable. The nation had developped nuclear weapons in its second century, a double edged sword. It created a shaky and unwanted peace between rival industrialized nations. Without war the economy had suffered, yet war could spell nuclear arms exchange. A clever idea of "assisting" a small "allied" southern pacific nation experiencing civil war became the solution. Victory was not requried, merely production. A sad state of doomed, despairing, opressed, and redicuously stupid herd of sheep.
I want everyone to take this at face value and comment (if you want) based on what you read. This has not been grammar and spell checked so I apollogize ahead of time. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont know, it really sticks in my throat to be lectured on freedom by a man packing in his avatar the symbol of absolute tyranny and evil - the hammer and sickle.
So let me outline another little scenario for you. In our society is a vocal minority, mainly based around universities, that exists in a angry and paranoid fantasy. Living in a modern free democracy, with access to vast amounts of information, free education, amazing medical technology, the right to vote, and relative safety in their own home, these peculiar individuals can find nothing in this world so evil as that which provides them these incredible gifts. Not for them to carry the cross for the poor souls in North Korea, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan and the other tens of countries who suffer from virtual slavery, constant brutality and total domination - the real evil is in the West. Every day they rage against the lack of freedom in society, right before travelling three states to attend an anti-Government rally only permitted by their constitutionally granted right to protest. They publish inflamatory, disgustingly biased material in high volumes; volumes usually inversly proportional to the quality of them - never realising that the mere fact that are able defeats their claim that freedom doesnt exist.
Unfortunately for this deluded few, the system of governing they proposed had until this point only ever produced totalitarianism, death and torture, ranking in the hundreds of millions, so talking up their own answer to the supposed "Capitalist" problem was never going to be easy. Thus they became a collection of whiners and complainers, leaping upon every cause they could, no matter how hypocritical, and blaming these problems upon capitalism. Sexism? Racism? Homophobia? Environmental destruction? Not for them to shoulder the responsibility and tackle the problems - instead they scapegoated capitalism and shouted cliched rants in the streets. As everyone knows, when your own arguement is full of holes, going on the offensive against the opposition is a great way to cover your seive. What other group could on the one hand call religion "The opiate of the masses" ie the delusion of the illinformed and incorrect masses, yet claim that religious intolerance is wrong?
But their entertaining activities didnt stop there. War, which has plagued human society since the beginning of history, was suddenly one of the symptoms of capitalist society. The fact that large portions of the population supported its leaders in certain wars in no way a problem for them - clearly everyone that supported war had been brainwashed by the evil capitalists.
Corporations that provide people with what they want were not spared by these champions of irrationality - exercising your freedom to purchase whatever food you want, and deciding upon McDonalds, or deciding to buy clothes at Walmart suddenly became proof that these evil corporations controlled our lives. Freedom = slavery - get it? Me neither.
Fortunately, the world has come to realise the danger of listening to this naive mob, and the chance of one of their "revolutions" coming pass in civilised countries is definately dead. Which is a damned good thing for the author of the above, because come the revolution he'd be the first against the wall....
So please, all excuse this, doomed (yet full of hope), despairing (yet euphoric), oppressed (but marvellously free) and rediculously stupid (yet vitally interested in philosophy, politics, science, theology, veterinary medicine, mathematics, social issues and military matters) sheep as he heads out, fearing no secret police, no beatings by militias, to head to a well stocked supermarket, to purchase food with his own earned money. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your entire fancy post can be defeated in one sentence. People do not have the equal chance in life, therefore equality is impossible under captialist regimes.
So you say "Get a job!' You can't survive on minimum wage. "GO TO COLLEGE THEN" Right, you want someone who started out poor to try and pay for college? Grants and scholorships only go so far. "Join the military reserve for college!" Right there is another nice convienece the United States has. Exploit the poor by cutting education funds, forcing them into finding alternate financial aid. The aid is the military which powers US imperialism. Don't argue my avatar symbolizes hate. Your opinions symbolize hundreds of years of sweat, blood, and the lives of countless unfortunates.
Marine01 > This topic
Tools that can construct, that can also destroy.
It all depends on who wields them.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Because this is always true, someone will always abuse the system. Doesn't matter their position or power, they will abuse it <i>at least</i> once.
Still hiding away inside the box little program?
As I see it, there are 2 things that truely seperate the have's from the have-not's:
no, not money--knowledge and initiative.
Knowledge can be found in all the government funded schools and in the often unused libraries. The insanely massive amount of information inside of a library is nearly unfathomable.
The catch is, you need initiative. The mental courage to wake up everyday and cram more knowledge into your head for the purpose of improving yourself and your surroundings. Constantly blaming others for one's own lack of initiative is a true downward spiral.
Of course, there will always be those who will never be capable of holding either knowledge or initiative. But we all know that we aren't talking about those people.