SinSpawnHarbinger of SufferingJoin Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8359Members
I was whined at for using cloaking and ambushing 2 people at once (skulk just cloak and redempt <--not that helped at all) they kept whining and swearing at me.
The thing is, is that people can't handle losing, every upgrade makes some one upset <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You have no skill if you use anything other than gorge spit or knife. Honestly, I play as both Marine and Kharaa and think that they are more or less balanced in terms of upgrades. For everything that you say about focus, the same could be said about the shotgun. Both are slow, powerful, and extremely effective early game.
Each upgrade can be countered with few exceptions, learn to use the upgrade tree effectively. Complaining that a certain upgrade needs to be nerfed is counter productive.
Focus has plenty of viable uses in both combat and normal NS. I'm personally a big fan of it, because it caters to my style of fighting when I'm using aliens. (Which is mostly a lurking menace, picking off the stragglers and weakened foes first, or as soon as the window of opportunity exists)
The cry of the weak ("****in no-skill BS focus) is often used because, typically, that player believes that the only time they should die is usually when all their other teammates have died first, making them the lone martyr and allowing open blame on their teammates because they did die first and obviously didnt contribute to the fight enough.
The problem of this mindset arrises most often in the face-paced and frantic CQ of combat, where you'll experience some form of damage almost right out of the gate. This is where focus truley shines; due to this near constant damage soaking by both sides, the main stopper of focus, armor, is nullified after scarcley 10-30 seconds of the players life, leaving them exceptionally vunerable to focus attacks.
Thus, when Joe Schmoe Shmuckatelly is fighting in combat, and you as a fade or even just a skulk leap past the ranks of his allies into his face and kill him in 1 bite with focus, it obviously seems cheap to him. Because 1, he feels you singled him out, and 2, his armor was depleted enough that focus overcame him in a single attack, thus killing him instantly. Thereby, making focus a cheap no-skill upgrade.
Its really quite simple. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I fail to see how an ability - nay, the <i>only</i> Alien ability - that costs two levels can be considered cheap when its most effective counters, Armor level 1 and Resupply, can be purchased for the same price. Saving early to get Focus at level 3 (the earliest possible) is a very effective tactic, nothing more. An effective tactic that can be countered.
As for Classic, it's a shame that alot of pubs follow the strict DMS standar, and thus Focus can onlytruly shine on Fade and Onoses. But then again, Focus is arguably the best Sensory upgrade for the Onos.
Everything that makes you lose is lame. Everything that makes you win is cool.
If you don't like it, then you really shouldn't be playing any sort of game, ever, because easily the vast bulk of players will call your strategy lame. The best you can do is just let them whine about it, and drive on.
If you'll notice, no one really cries about marines being overpowered (even though they are, esp. if you take away things like focus).
Marines gets displeased very quickly when a good player gets focus, because they are being forced to adapt, instead of forcing aliens to adapt. The alien, for the moment, has the distinct advantage over the marine. That will change as soon as the marine gets armor 1.
I have much respect for anyone who can use cloak correctly, which is a rare, rare thing. Seriously. If people with talent used cloak, marines would cry in their sleep.
meh im not mad that focus is unbalanced...which it really isn't and has a place in the game...but that still doesn't stop me from HATING it...nothing worse than getting bit by a lerk and then focus-gored by an onos at the same time with lvl 3 armor <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh and AHHHHHHHHHHh its the complex bling guys coming to haunt us! (that bored eh?)
Also just because i hate something doesn't mean i want it gone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
TheAdjHe demanded a cool forum title of some type.Join Date: 2004-05-03Member: 28436Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
edited August 2004
I'm sorry, there is no adequate counter for focus, minus heavy armor. If you have light armor and you're facing a fade, the fade will kill you in two swipes. Even lvl3 armor will take two swipes. When you're an experienced player and you're repeatedly killed by a fade that spends more time walking than blinking because you literally cannot fire fast enough to kill him with your shotgun/hmg, you'll get pretty annoyed at focus too. Skulks and lerks aren't as bad, because once you hit lvl3 armor they can't 2 hit kill you anymore, which is quite annoying. It's like lvl0 armor vs vanilla skulks all over again, which is why armor1 is so important in non-focus environments. It's much more difficult to bite someone 3 times than it is twice. This is why people have a problem with focus. It takes you down to a 2 bite wonder, just like a default marine, until you get lvl3 armor, and even then a fade will still drop you in 2 hits. Rather annoying.
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If you bite spam without focus, maybe that's the reason you can't kill anything without focus. Even without focus you should time your bites, holding down mouse1 and jumping around like an idiot is probably why someone won't get kills without focus.
Focus is a valid upgrade and if it helps you, by all means, use it. Personally, I never get it because I see no benefit for my ns game. As for people complaining about focus, i'll just quote a similar thread from memory.. " Who's more nub? The guy A with focus, or the guy B getting killed by guyA with focus?"
1. armor upgrades don't even counter focus. good luck getting ANYONE to weld you in pubs. saying armor upgrades counter focus assumes that none of the other aliens are attacking you.
2. landing ONE bite on a marine is much easier than landing TWO bites on a marine. i do not see how any leap of logic or understanding changes this fact (not to mention the knockback the first bite has)
3. focus, as an effective upgrade, is all but CONFINED to public servers. no self-respecting clan marine team would allow themselves to be focus-owned by sense-hive1 aliens. between scanning, welding, and superior aim, focus is far less useful in organized play. (sensory is a great chamber, but your fades had better play *perfectly*)
thus, being one-bit in pubs when none of your teammates will weld you is HIGHLY annoying. its completely understandable why the other-player-in-question was annoyed with you.
it's kind of like being black and seeing other people with the 'caucasian' 'upgrade' driving through your neighborhood as if they deserved that bmw more than you.
<!--QuoteBegin-illuminex+Aug 27 2004, 10:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex @ Aug 27 2004, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you'll notice, no one really cries about marines being overpowered<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope you're joking...
Focus on its own is not that bad. When combined with a skulk or more sadly, but always present, a fade/onos who's immediate upgrades are cloak AND focus and who, from the second they spawn, walk cloaked as they make their way to ms are by every aspect of the word a 'nub'.
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TheAdjHe demanded a cool forum title of some type.Join Date: 2004-05-03Member: 28436Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Harmondo+Aug 27 2004, 11:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Harmondo @ Aug 27 2004, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-illuminex+Aug 27 2004, 10:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex @ Aug 27 2004, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you'll notice, no one really cries about marines being overpowered<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope you're joking...
Focus on its own is not that bad. When combined with a skulk or more sadly, but always present, a fade/onos who's immediate upgrades are cloak AND focus and who, from the second they spawn, walk cloaked as they make their way to ms are by every aspect of the word a 'nub'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Harm hit the nail quite squarely on the head. In combat focus is incredibly annoying because many people also get cloaking, even as a fade or onos. This makes it quite annoying. Nothing angers me more than having a lvl3 shotgun, resupply, and lvl2 armor, and STILL not being able to shoot fast enough to kill a nub cloaking focus walker fade. It's infuriating that I can't kill a fade that can't even use blink to move around because I quite simply don't shoot fast enough. Often I forgo a jp/ha simply to get catpacks and lvl3 armor to counter cloacus. Often that fade that killed me 10 times in a row will never get another kill on me once I get catpacks, because I can fire fast enough to kill him before he can get the second swipe.
<!--QuoteBegin-TheAdj`+Aug 27 2004, 11:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheAdj` @ Aug 27 2004, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Harmondo+Aug 27 2004, 11:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Harmondo @ Aug 27 2004, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-illuminex+Aug 27 2004, 10:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex @ Aug 27 2004, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you'll notice, no one really cries about marines being overpowered<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope you're joking...
Focus on its own is not that bad. When combined with a skulk or more sadly, but always present, a fade/onos who's immediate upgrades are cloak AND focus and who, from the second they spawn, walk cloaked as they make their way to ms are by every aspect of the word a 'nub'. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Harm hit the nail quite squarely on the head. In combat focus is incredibly annoying because many people also get cloaking, even as a fade or onos. This makes it quite annoying. Nothing angers me more than having a lvl3 shotgun, resupply, and lvl2 armor, and STILL not being able to shoot fast enough to kill a nub cloaking focus walker fade. It's infuriating that I can't kill a fade that can't even use blink to move around because I quite simply don't shoot fast enough. Often I forgo a jp/ha simply to get catpacks and lvl3 armor to counter cloacus. Often that fade that killed me 10 times in a row will never get another kill on me once I get catpacks, because I can fire fast enough to kill him before he can get the second swipe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Isn't that the point of the game? If you are a marine and you keep on getting killed by cloak/focus aliens, then spend the point and buy a counter. It's not the aliens' fault that they didn't choose upgrades that allow you to choose your favorite equip. You may like lvl3 shottie w/ lvl2 armor and what not but I bet the alien hates it. So what should he do.... choose upgrades that counter act you load out. It's not their job to help you get the ultimate weapon set with out making any sacrifices, sometimes you have to take one for the team and get scanner sweep, I bet that really infuriates anyone who has cloaking. Every upgrade has a counter, that is the way the game works we all just have to deal.
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Oooookay!? I would say sof for survival anyday, but...
Cloaking and focus is, not nubbish, but requires just about zero skill. And with that zero skill, you can own a pro player. So yeah, focus is lame combined with cloaking.
Cloaking fade is like running away from getting more skill and is really pathetic...sorry all you out there : You'll always stay stuck at the same skill level if you NEED cloaking.
Why would I walk when I can fly at 200km/h?
Anyway cloaking is really bad versus jps...I might take cloaking in co higher than lvl 10, as my last, final, upgrade. Even then, when will I ever stay put long enough for cloaking to work? Lol
Oh and if you wanna be lamer than cloak/focus, take scent of fear and silence too for the ultimate no skills owning.
All you need is Level 1 armor, and Focus is no longer 1-shot kill folks. Besides, it takes timing to nail focus on the money. Keeping up with a bunny hopping marine is not as easy as it sounds. Just get armor 1 and your problems are solved. Focus isnt for n00bs, its for people who have a strategy for picking the marines off because of lack of armor.
Focus is really powerful in co_ maps. yesterday, using a cele, adren,cara,regen,focus, silence lerk i was able to kill a whole marine team with sg, and lmg. even in tight spaces. i didn't lag or anything. one thing annoyed me a guy whined "OMG BS no 1 CAN MOVE SO FAST" lmao. result? alien win by time and stats 82/13
TheAdjHe demanded a cool forum title of some type.Join Date: 2004-05-03Member: 28436Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
I don't understand why people are saying that focus is for "marines with no armor". It DOES NOT MATTER what level armor you have, you're going to die in 2 bites/slashes in almost every circumstance. If you have lvl1 or lvl3 armor, you WILL die in 2 swipes to a focus fade, it doesn't matter. It's not as severe for skulks and lerks, at 3 bites for lvl3 armor, but at lvl1-2 it's only two bites still. Having lvl1 armor is the same as lvl2 for the most part against focus, which is why it's a problem. Most people don't get lvl3 armor in a default 10 level combat server, so in 2 bites you're gone. Against the ever present focus fades even lvl3 armor won't help. You need HA to take more swipes, and even then a fade that catches you at an odd moment will still kill you. Don't act like focus is the counter to no armor. Focus is the counter to armor period, especially on the fade. Focus fades are the #1 terror on combat right now for a reason. It makes even a walker fade able to take out even the most skilled marine because it's literally impossible to kill it before it connects 2 swipes.
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
To answer the question: No, you're not skill-less if you use focus. The difficulty of using focus correctly increases as the marines tech throughout the game. However, it doesn't take any significant skill to land a focus bite/slash/gore and die, maybe taking a marine with you. That's what the classic cloak/focus users tend to do.
The thing is that 'skill' really does not matter if you're playing to win. What matters is that you want to win. When people whine about skill, are they expecting a circus show with dancing ponies and pink elephants? Who cares anyway?
Focus in combat is countered by teamwork. <b>Teamwork.</b> Not armor, motiontracking, welding, etc. - those all add to the cause, but it is teamwork that beats focus.
All the hotshots whine about it because they want to be able to walk all over the map by themselves and just kill everything with no problems whatsoever like some kind of universal soldier bs with invul upgrades. Give it a rest.
<!--QuoteBegin-Recoup+Aug 28 2004, 02:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Recoup @ Aug 28 2004, 02:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> All you need is Level 1 armor, and Focus is no longer 1-shot kill folks. Besides, it takes timing to nail focus on the money. Keeping up with a bunny hopping marine is not as easy as it sounds. Just get armor 1 and your problems are solved. Focus isnt for n00bs, its for people who have a strategy for picking the marines off because of lack of armor. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *good* fades with focus = 1 hit one kill because they blink and you and use lastinv to swithch weapons while blinking and make that first hit on you so you can NEVER kill a good fade ever 1v1.
armor 1 vs noobs == godsend
armor 1 vs good fades == whatever, one more hit wont mean ****.
the only reason i dont use focus is that it takes more skill to use. <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
iv killed a fade, point blank range with just a hmg <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Armour1 will not help that much against focus because you will die after the second alien with focus appears. Your only chance is, that someone else gets a welder and will weld you while you're fighting. The alien, on the other side, can just go around the corner and regenerate to full health and armour.
Focus is imbalanced for co-maps imo. (Beside many other factors)
Focus in itself isn't a problem, but when combined with cloaking and the fact that only about 1/1000 marines will get a welder it is the obvious upgrade of choice. I still don't use it because I perfer to use combat as practice for real NS where the focus upgrade is rarely seen.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Aug 27 2004, 07:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Aug 27 2004, 07:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> people suck, nuff said
every single game has its 'cheap' things that a certain group of people will always complain about: NS: Focus, medspam, resuply, shotguns, JPs the list gos on CS: AWP, nuff said HLPB: Anything automatic SC: Zerg Rush (premptive stab in the face for any one wyho says kekeke, orm kaes the stupid ^_^ face) Street Fighter: I think I was either guile or Dhalsa (what ever the indian guy's name was)
every game will have it's cheese/n00b/ghay/what have you tactic/weapon/upgrade/character/what have you
if they complain, you obviously havn't bitten them enugh. Bite em some more <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Likewise, those groups will invariably be met by a throng of morons who default to the "If you don't like it you must suck" mindset regardless of any possibility that their complaints are valid.
Focus against unarmored marines early game is equivalent to shotguns against skulks early game. This usually works out perfectly well on ns_ maps which they're properly balanced for because there's a much bigger picture to consider, but both cases are disasterous on co_ maps which usually boil down to a contest of cheap kills. So yeah, i can see the "cheapness" complaint being valid for both sides as far as co_ goes.
Also, kudos to the original poster for being dumb enough to assume that there's any skill involved <i>period</i> in playing on one of those god-forsaken siege maps.
Oh dear... Of course cloaked focus skulk is powerfull... That's why there is an up called SCAN for marines... For you who never heard about it; It actually decloacks cloacked aliens... ^_^ and considered as a counter to cloacking... JUST LIKE focus is a counter to resupply... I know some of you think that scan is a waste of one level which you can use for something more powerfull... If a skulk spend that one level on an upgrade and you dont want to take the upgrade that counters it; then you have no right to whine about it... If he takes focus, take a1 and resupply... If he takes cloacking, take scan... same amount of levels for both sides...
Necrosis is right, if its cheap, you find a way around it you dont whine about how terribly you hate the other team for their noobish ways. GL spam - you flank around and go for the GL'ers. Cloacus - You get a powerful weapon (like a shotty) and go hunting for them. Even better, get an HMG and spray the hallways where theyre likely to be waiting, thatll throw a scare into em. AWP - deal with it, unless your fighting a master AWPer they wont be that hard to kill. Im guilty of complaining a little in NS, but never over GL spam or Xeno, or focus, part of the game. You figure out a way around. Focus in normal NS_ is especially easy to beat as comm. You tech straight for armor 2 and motion, and lockdown the other hives. They wont have the DC support to mount big assaults and focus is worthless with any armor upgrade. In co_ just get armor 1 as soon as possible and grab your shotty.
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<span style='color:white'>Answer coming via PM since I don't see why a perfectly fine thread should be derailed into an interview with me.</span>
The thing is, is that people can't handle losing, every upgrade makes some one upset <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Each upgrade can be countered with few exceptions, learn to use the upgrade tree effectively. Complaining that a certain upgrade needs to be nerfed is counter productive.
The cry of the weak ("****in no-skill BS focus) is often used because, typically, that player believes that the only time they should die is usually when all their other teammates have died first, making them the lone martyr and allowing open blame on their teammates because they did die first and obviously didnt contribute to the fight enough.
The problem of this mindset arrises most often in the face-paced and frantic CQ of combat, where you'll experience some form of damage almost right out of the gate. This is where focus truley shines; due to this near constant damage soaking by both sides, the main stopper of focus, armor, is nullified after scarcley 10-30 seconds of the players life, leaving them exceptionally vunerable to focus attacks.
Thus, when Joe Schmoe Shmuckatelly is fighting in combat, and you as a fade or even just a skulk leap past the ranks of his allies into his face and kill him in 1 bite with focus, it obviously seems cheap to him. Because 1, he feels you singled him out, and 2, his armor was depleted enough that focus overcame him in a single attack, thus killing him instantly. Thereby, making focus a cheap no-skill upgrade.
Its really quite simple. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for Classic, it's a shame that alot of pubs follow the strict DMS standar, and thus Focus can onlytruly shine on Fade and Onoses. But then again, Focus is arguably the best Sensory upgrade for the Onos.
If you don't like it, then you really shouldn't be playing any sort of game, ever, because easily the vast bulk of players will call your strategy lame. The best you can do is just let them whine about it, and drive on.
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*Thinks only <i>after</i> making a post*
I...don't...know.
Marines gets displeased very quickly when a good player gets focus, because they are being forced to adapt, instead of forcing aliens to adapt. The alien, for the moment, has the distinct advantage over the marine. That will change as soon as the marine gets armor 1.
I have much respect for anyone who can use cloak correctly, which is a rare, rare thing. Seriously. If people with talent used cloak, marines would cry in their sleep.
Oh and AHHHHHHHHHHh its the complex bling guys coming to haunt us! (that bored eh?)
Also just because i hate something doesn't mean i want it gone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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If you bite spam without focus, maybe that's the reason you can't kill anything without focus. Even without focus you should time your bites, holding down mouse1 and jumping around like an idiot is probably why someone won't get kills without focus.
2. landing ONE bite on a marine is much easier than landing TWO bites on a marine. i do not see how any leap of logic or understanding changes this fact (not to mention the knockback the first bite has)
3. focus, as an effective upgrade, is all but CONFINED to public servers. no self-respecting clan marine team would allow themselves to be focus-owned by sense-hive1 aliens. between scanning, welding, and superior aim, focus is far less useful in organized play. (sensory is a great chamber, but your fades had better play *perfectly*)
thus, being one-bit in pubs when none of your teammates will weld you is HIGHLY annoying. its completely understandable why the other-player-in-question was annoyed with you.
it's kind of like being black and seeing other people with the 'caucasian' 'upgrade' driving through your neighborhood as if they deserved that bmw more than you.
maybe not an entirely pertinent example
I hope you're joking...
Focus on its own is not that bad. When combined with a skulk or more sadly, but always present, a fade/onos who's immediate upgrades are cloak AND focus and who, from the second they spawn, walk cloaked as they make their way to ms are by every aspect of the word a 'nub'.
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Maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't get it...
I hope you're joking...
Focus on its own is not that bad. When combined with a skulk or more sadly, but always present, a fade/onos who's immediate upgrades are cloak AND focus and who, from the second they spawn, walk cloaked as they make their way to ms are by every aspect of the word a 'nub'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Harm hit the nail quite squarely on the head. In combat focus is incredibly annoying because many people also get cloaking, even as a fade or onos. This makes it quite annoying. Nothing angers me more than having a lvl3 shotgun, resupply, and lvl2 armor, and STILL not being able to shoot fast enough to kill a nub cloaking focus walker fade. It's infuriating that I can't kill a fade that can't even use blink to move around because I quite simply don't shoot fast enough. Often I forgo a jp/ha simply to get catpacks and lvl3 armor to counter cloacus. Often that fade that killed me 10 times in a row will never get another kill on me once I get catpacks, because I can fire fast enough to kill him before he can get the second swipe.
I hope you're joking...
Focus on its own is not that bad. When combined with a skulk or more sadly, but always present, a fade/onos who's immediate upgrades are cloak AND focus and who, from the second they spawn, walk cloaked as they make their way to ms are by every aspect of the word a 'nub'. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Harm hit the nail quite squarely on the head. In combat focus is incredibly annoying because many people also get cloaking, even as a fade or onos. This makes it quite annoying. Nothing angers me more than having a lvl3 shotgun, resupply, and lvl2 armor, and STILL not being able to shoot fast enough to kill a nub cloaking focus walker fade. It's infuriating that I can't kill a fade that can't even use blink to move around because I quite simply don't shoot fast enough. Often I forgo a jp/ha simply to get catpacks and lvl3 armor to counter cloacus. Often that fade that killed me 10 times in a row will never get another kill on me once I get catpacks, because I can fire fast enough to kill him before he can get the second swipe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't that the point of the game? If you are a marine and you keep on getting killed by cloak/focus aliens, then spend the point and buy a counter. It's not the aliens' fault that they didn't choose upgrades that allow you to choose your favorite equip. You may like lvl3 shottie w/ lvl2 armor and what not but I bet the alien hates it. So what should he do.... choose upgrades that counter act you load out. It's not their job to help you get the ultimate weapon set with out making any sacrifices, sometimes you have to take one for the team and get scanner sweep, I bet that really infuriates anyone who has cloaking. Every upgrade has a counter, that is the way the game works we all just have to deal.
Oooookay!? I would say sof for survival anyday, but...
Cloaking and focus is, not nubbish, but requires just about zero skill. And with that zero skill, you can own a pro player. So yeah, focus is lame combined with cloaking.
Cloaking fade is like running away from getting more skill and is really pathetic...sorry all you out there : You'll always stay stuck at the same skill level if you NEED cloaking.
Why would I walk when I can fly at 200km/h?
Anyway cloaking is really bad versus jps...I might take cloaking in co higher than lvl 10, as my last, final, upgrade. Even then, when will I ever stay put long enough for cloaking to work? Lol
Oh and if you wanna be lamer than cloak/focus, take scent of fear and silence too for the ultimate no skills owning.
The thing is that 'skill' really does not matter if you're playing to win. What matters is that you want to win. When people whine about skill, are they expecting a circus show with dancing ponies and pink elephants? Who cares anyway?
Focus in combat is countered by teamwork. <b>Teamwork.</b> Not armor, motiontracking, welding, etc. - those all add to the cause, but it is teamwork that beats focus.
All the hotshots whine about it because they want to be able to walk all over the map by themselves and just kill everything with no problems whatsoever like some kind of universal soldier bs with invul upgrades. Give it a rest.
*good* fades with focus = 1 hit one kill because they blink and you and use lastinv to swithch weapons while blinking and make that first hit on you so you can NEVER kill a good fade ever 1v1.
armor 1 vs noobs == godsend
armor 1 vs good fades == whatever, one more hit wont mean ****.
<span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
iv killed a fade, point blank range with just a hmg <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Focus is imbalanced for co-maps imo. (Beside many other factors)
every single game has its 'cheap' things that a certain group of people will always complain about:
NS: Focus, medspam, resuply, shotguns, JPs the list gos on
CS: AWP, nuff said
HLPB: Anything automatic
SC: Zerg Rush (premptive stab in the face for any one wyho says kekeke, orm kaes the stupid ^_^ face)
Street Fighter: I think I was either guile or Dhalsa (what ever the indian guy's name was)
every game will have it's cheese/n00b/ghay/what have you tactic/weapon/upgrade/character/what have you
if they complain, you obviously havn't bitten them enugh. Bite em some more <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Likewise, those groups will invariably be met by a throng of morons who default to the "If you don't like it you must suck" mindset regardless of any possibility that their complaints are valid.
Focus against unarmored marines early game is equivalent to shotguns against skulks early game. This usually works out perfectly well on ns_ maps which they're properly balanced for because there's a much bigger picture to consider, but both cases are disasterous on co_ maps which usually boil down to a contest of cheap kills. So yeah, i can see the "cheapness" complaint being valid for both sides as far as co_ goes.
Also, kudos to the original poster for being dumb enough to assume that there's any skill involved <i>period</i> in playing on one of those god-forsaken siege maps.