I think all of you need to settle down and grab a little bit more a base view.
<!--QuoteBegin-Generalized views on major candidates+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Generalized views on major candidates)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->People want to vote Bush, not realizing he flip-flops (God, that's annoying) all the time. They pick him for his Christian values and his stern, strong appearance.
People make fun of him for his poor background and ineptness at almost everything he touches - along with his poor speech patterns with anything he doesn't have a passion for (and apparently he only has a passion for Christianity and rallying voters outside of a debate).
People want to vote Kerry because he's not Bush and because of his supposed tax posistion.
Apparently he's voted wrong on every bill ever sent his way (...pssst, don't mention riders on bills!). He appears fairly inept at military affairs and seems to be a bit wishy-washy (almost as annoying as flip-floppy) on many issues.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now, that's probably biased a bit towards Kerry, because I'm not very fond of Bush. He changes direction with his policy constantly, he's inept at informing the public and he's wasted (in my opinion, maybe not yours) billions of dollars on homeland security paying not attention to the information he pays people to collect.
To me, Kerry's not much better. He always seems to want to pick the view held by the majority of the people (but it seems more constant than the media portrays), I just think it's a bit false - although he may just hold all those ideas.
It's just too bad that everyone says, "A vote for a third party is a vote for Bush." Because most people are idiotic enough to believe if they had voted for a third party the poll chances their choice from "Nader" to "Bush." Or something. People will say, "Most Bush supporters are dedicated Bush supporters though." And it's funny how it's always the guy who's holding office that will win. Bah, I'll vote for who matches my ideas best...
Despite all that: I think you all need to get more objective views. Step away from your subjective views for a bit and see how the other side could consider voting against your chosen candidate. Focus more on facts and opinions coming solely from the candidates and not media twists on words. Look into what the candidates allow as ads for themselves and how they're willing to twists words around on eachother. Granted, you'll still be biased (and I'm biased too, as is my little summary above) - but you can try not to be.
But he did explain his plans. First off, you can only say so much in 90 seconds but Kerry at least gave an understandable general answer unlike Bush.
For instance, on outsourcing he said he would change laws so company's could no longer defer taxes due to outsourcing, and those taxes paid would be used to fund job credit that companies can apply for and use to provide more jobs for Americans. I wouldn't call that added crap; I'd call it a plan that was clearly explained. That made complete sense to me and its about as much as you can say in 90 seconds. What more do you want?
Bush never gave detail like that and was rarely understandable.
i fell asleep and missed this one, but could someone provide the exact quote that Bush said "Osama never stopped being an issue"?
You know, if he said that it wouldn't be a lie. It's not like every issue remains of equal importance all the time, his other quotes just basically said "it's not our top priority because there's no immediate threat we're aware of," it doesn't say that "I'm devoting absolutely no attention to him because i suddenly decided that he isn't who we want to go after." So unless I'm extremely retarded or taking these quotes completely out of context, I don't see what everyone's so amused about.
I would appreciate it if somebody who's knowledgeable on this matter sets things straight, because I don't think it's the way everyone is making it out to be.
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I'd prefer someone who goes into eloquent detail when they speak, rather than a monkey (no offense intended, BM) who rehashes the same tactic over and over.. because he HAS no answer to any of the other questions posed.
Also.. I'd prefer to give someone new a shot, after Bush has so horrifically f**ked over the nation. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Uhhh EEK - I am currently doing STAT1201 at the University of Queensland, and you cannot scientifically select your candidates for a poll and expect it to be treated with credibility. Doing so leads to the introduction of selection bias. The only way to be treated with any seriousness is to randomly select your candidates. Mr Stat textbook sitting beside me suggests you apologise to HeRo or demonstrate some revolutionairy statistical skills flying in the face of tried and true mathematics. Not that I think you'll be back, this isnt the first time I've watched a "flame and run" from you, usually after having your vicious attacks completely debunked, then comes a deathly silence.....
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Reasa, curiously, have you ever taught? Both of my parents are educators-- and my father took an administrative position at a charter school for troubled kids as a challenge, and I can atest that it certainly wasn't easy. Nor has my mother's career been a breeze, though she teaches at one of the better public high school in the country.
You have 0 credibility with me, as of that mindless statement. And to head you off at the pass, I really don't give a rat's **** what that means to you. You're off base.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My father is an educator, and I take no offence at Reasa's statement. A lot of teachers try to make out that their job is the most taxing in the universe, yet they get masses of holidays and a respected position in society. It's not easy, but it definately isnt a job that needs to be singled out as "hard". Its work, just like everyone else does.
Everybody on fox news was calling this a clear-cut victory for Bush. As you know, fox news isn't the most conservative newspaper.
Listen to O'Reilly. The man gives points to democrats and republicans alike. He's obviously republican, but he gives credit to both sides. Ironically, he's probably the least bias position to listen to. Both parties are saying they won. If O'Reilly says one party or the other one, I'd believe him.
After reading through this thread I cannot believe that some of you even tried to watch the debate objectively.
A couple of suggestions: Never go by polls conducted within 48hours of a debate. As a good example. Within 48hours of the Reagan Mondale debate, Mondale was said to have won in a landslide. 48 hours later, it went to Reagan. These early polls have always been volatile and changing litereally within hours.
Go back and watch the debate again. Democrats and Republicans. Take time and think about not just how they deliver their arguements but what they are saying.
Take a cold shower and then come back and post. Lets see if we can do it without ad-hominem attacks this time.
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Oct 14 2004, 01:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Oct 14 2004, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One comment I will make is that I was floored when Kerry complained about Bush not fighting to extend the AWB.
Kerry said that if he were president he would have forced it through and made it pass.
Well, last time I checked Kerry was a US senator and isn't passing bills kind of his job? Why didn't he do it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I also like the idea of a magical "forcing" power of the president in congress.
The president can help, but it's not a 100% sure thing.
Was anybody else extremely dissapointed on the lack of stem cell research debate? That was one of the main reasons I wanted to watch the debate, however, nothing was said about it. And most likely, nothing ever will be. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Oct 14 2004, 01:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Oct 14 2004, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One comment I will make is that I was floored when Kerry complained about Bush not fighting to extend the AWB.
Kerry said that if he were president he would have forced it through and made it pass.
Well, last time I checked Kerry was a US senator and isn't passing bills kind of his job? Why didn't he do it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...because we all know 1 senator can pass every single bill in congress if he wanted to...Even a "politicians must wear hats and skip down the street every day of the year except those divisible by prime numbers greater than 11" bill...
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Oct 14 2004, 02:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Oct 14 2004, 02:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Oct 14 2004, 01:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Oct 14 2004, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One comment I will make is that I was floored when Kerry complained about Bush not fighting to extend the AWB.
Kerry said that if he were president he would have forced it through and made it pass.
Well, last time I checked Kerry was a US senator and isn't passing bills kind of his job? Why didn't he do it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ...because we all know 1 senator can pass every single bill in congress if he wanted to...Even a "politicians must wear hats and skip down the street every day of the year except those divisible by prime numbers greater than 11" bill...
...oh wait. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I forgot the point where it was the job of the executive branch to initiate and pass legislation.
Remember it is Kerry's job to get support for bills he wants passed. If a 20 veteran of the Senate cannot drum up enough support for a bill that supposedly everyone wants then he is a failure as a senator.
Or perhaps he just wanted Bush to take the heat for pushing a right limiting bill without tarnishing the 'hunting-man' image that Kerry says he is.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Oct 13 2004, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Oct 13 2004, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "I believe the victory in Afghanistan was a blessing from the Almighty." - George W. Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> *reacts as if someone dragged fingernails across a chalkboard*
Eek! <span style='font-family:Times'><b>politics</b></span><span style='color:gray'><b> +</b></span> <span style='font-family:Optima'><b>religion</b></span> (especially invoking God being on our side) <span style='color:gray'><b>=</b></span> <span style='font-family:Impact'><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>BAD</span></span></span>!!!
Dude... that is exactly what countless nations, criminals, whatever do to justify their actions... God told me so. God is on my/our side. etc... Not cool.
As far as the debate... I loved how Kerry said he wanted to work with the world to stop the crime of terrorism and Bush was like we f-ck the world if they won't get behind us and God. Laf. Yes that is exactly how the republican party feels about it Bush and why if you get re-elected terrorism will not be reduced, only increased and all the while more good US soldiers and innocent "collateral" people will be killed either directly by us or by the reign of chaos in the environment that comes with war. I love how Kerry came back and was like well no **** I'm not going to sacrifice American security. What you are doing is not making it better dear Bushy. It's making it <i>worse</i>.
From just what I caught on the TV was just more affirmation of why I disagree with the Bush administration. Sorry for all you Bush fans who domainate the Off Topic forum, and I respect the guy, but I really don't like his team and what their procedures for the goals are.
PS: Steady & Rock Solid isn't really a compliment, no offense <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thanks for your posts. I was interested in hearing what Spooge had to say, not what you had to say.
I haven't been interested in hearing what Kerry supporters or Bush supporters have been saying. I've been interested in hearing what the <undecided> have been saying. I've seen only one or two people in this thread that actually contributed to a discussion that were worth reading.
<!--QuoteBegin-BathroomMonkey+Oct 13 2004, 10:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BathroomMonkey @ Oct 13 2004, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You have 0 credibility with me, as of that mindless statement. And to head you off at the pass, I really don't give a rat's **** what that means to you. You're off base. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry to hear you say that, sounds like I stuck a nerve. I have not "taught" in the general sense but I have done a lot of one on one and small group tutoring, including helping Hispanic high school kids learn English. I have no training what so ever and very rarely did I ever run into any difficulties. In my opinion most of them are over paid and under qualified, which is sad. There are always good teachers of course; I don't want to make them all seem bad, but it’s just a job like any other…hell most of em get a paid 3 month vacation every summer…oh yes lets worship them.
Also I never wanted to receive your rat's **** to begin with.
Ahem, <!--QuoteBegin-illuminex says on previous page on bottem+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex says on previous page on bottem)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So, hardcore people, tone back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whoa there little doggies don't make me squeeze you. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> (don't ask I don't know either, it just fit)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Oct 13 2004, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Oct 13 2004, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "I believe the victory in Afghanistan was a blessing from the Almighty." - George W. Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> *reacts as if someone dragged fingernails across a chalkboard*
Eek! <span style='font-family:Times'><b>politics</b></span><span style='color:gray'><b> +</b></span> <span style='font-family:Optima'><b>religion</b></span> (especially invoking God being on our side) <span style='color:gray'><b>=</b></span> <span style='font-family:Impact'><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>BAD</span></span></span>!!!
Dude... that is exactly what countless nations, criminals, whatever do to justify their actions... God told me so. God is on my/our side. etc... Not cool.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didnt hear those nails. Guess what atheists - "It was in self defence" has been used by countless more as an excuse then "God told me too". I dont here you criticising that little method just because people have abused it in the past. God is on our side is a claim that has been made falsely in the past, just like every other justification/defence in the book. Face it, you cant handle it that your President believes he's doing the right thing, you cant handle that he thinks that he is doing what God wants him to do. Your visceral reaction towards anything "God" is noted, especially when used in conjunction with Bush.
Gullible Americans still swallowing the old con that you can "work with the world"? No surprises here. The world doesnt want to work with you - but that doesnt occur to Joe Average. Time to wake up and smell croissants boys - now that Europe and friends have nothing they need to American's to protect them from, THEY DONT NEED YOU. They DONT care about what happens to you, so long as it doesnt affect them and their economy. Why are they going to help you - out of the goodness of their hearts? They also resent your dominance of the world economically, militarily and culturally. These arent basically friendly nations that are a little worried about Bush, they are coldly calculating nations out for their own interests. Not that the Americans dont work the same way, but you guys seem to have a very rosy view of the world. If they determined it in their best interests to oppose an American action, justified or not, then its too hell with the US, come Bush or Kerry.
And this is why we need someone as amazing as Teddy Roosevelt in office.
Also, you Kerry fanatics complaining about Bush changing his mind on something (this is the first ive heard about him 'flip-flopping' by the way) you should check out the Ultimate John Kerry Ad, it owns you, and your candidate.
www.johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
*edit* I personally don't really like either cadidate, aswell...but if I had to choose one, it would be Bush...just because he seems to be very firm in his ways, unlike Kerry who will probably do what will make him popular instead of what is (in the end) correct.
<!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Oct 14 2004, 10:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Oct 14 2004, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BathroomMonkey+Oct 13 2004, 10:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BathroomMonkey @ Oct 13 2004, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You have 0 credibility with me, as of that mindless statement. And to head you off at the pass, I really don't give a rat's **** what that means to you. You're off base. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry to hear you say that, sounds like I stuck a nerve. I have not "taught" in the general sense but I have done a lot of one on one and small group tutoring, including helping Hispanic high school kids learn English. I have no training what so ever and very rarely did I ever run into any difficulties. In my opinion most of them are over paid and under qualified, which is sad. There are always good teachers of course; I don't want to make them all seem bad, but it’s just a job like any other…hell most of em get a paid 3 month vacation every summer…oh yes lets worship them.
Also I never wanted to receive your rat's **** to begin with. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but I think it's misguided to say that it isn't hard-- <i>any</i> job <i>can be</i> easy, if you don't do it correctly.
But after growing up in an education oriented family, I've seen the amount of preparation and dedication it takes to teach people well. Of course, as you said, this doesn't apply to <i>all</i> teachers (like any job, no sample can stand properly represent the entire population).
People think teachers are lucky to be free of class by two-thirty, but any decent teacher will spend the bulk of that evening grading, developing lesson plans, or reading for the next day's class.
Teachers have three months off, but I know from watching my mother and her colleagues, much of that time is spent preparing their cirriculum (and boning up on the material it contains) for the coming year.
Plus . . . <i>parents</i>.
I don't think most teachers are asking you to worship them; and I don't necessarily think they're overpaid. A lot depends on your school system, but it can be worth it-- the education offered in my school, along with its reputation, helped a lot of kids land in some very good colleges and universities.
Again, perhaps I was a bit harsh, but if you've ever said anything that's especially rubbed me the wrong way, that was <i>it</i>.
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 14 2004, 06:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 14 2004, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And this is why we need someone as amazing as Teddy Roosevelt in office. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You mean <i>Franklin</i> Roosevelt?
~edit~
Replying to Marine01: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I didnt hear those nails. Guess what atheists - <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Whoa there Mr. ConclusionJumper. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm probably <i>more</i> religious than you, and btw I do believe in God so don't insult me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"It was in self defence" has been used by countless more as an excuse then "God told me too". I am far from aethist I dont here you criticising that little method just because people have abused it in the past. God is on our side is a claim that has been made falsely in the past, just like every other justification/defence in the book. Face it, you cant handle it that your President believes he's doing the right thing, you cant handle that he thinks that he is doing what God wants him to do. Your visceral reaction towards anything "God" is noted, especially when used in conjunction with Bush.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Um ok. Stop analyzing and trying to catagorize me and just read the 3 term equation I wrote out. I don't care who it is. If Kerry or anyone else does it I'm going to jump all over him/her for it to.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gullible Americans still swallowing the old con that you can "work with the world"?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why not? You don't think the planet cann ever achieve unity?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No surprises here. The world doesnt want to work with you - but that doesnt occur to Joe Average. Time to wake up and smell croissants boys - now that Europe and friends have nothing they need to American's to protect them from, THEY DONT NEED YOU. They DONT care about what happens to you, so long as it doesnt affect them and their economy. <span style='color:green'>Why are they going to help you - out of the goodness of their hearts? They also resent your dominance of the world economically, militarily and culturally.</span> These arent basically friendly nations that are a little worried about Bush, <span style='color:red'>they are coldly calculating nations out for their own interests.</span> Not that the Americans dont work the same way, but you guys seem to have a very rosy view of the world. If they determined it in their best interests to oppose an American action, justified or not, then its too hell with the US, come Bush or Kerry.? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Totally agree with you on the green Disagree with the red, I believe in humanity and us vs. them attitudes are only goign to make things worse, not better. No offense but I don't think the US can take on the whole world militarly. The Nazi's learned this the hard way. Only a very few people are evil (and they tend to become leaders, better to be feared than loved) but the overwhelming majority isn't. The US is really quite paranoid that everyone is out to get us. They aren't. They just want the same things we want. Happiness, a good job, sex, whatever you get the point... Besides out news now days like to put a "spin" on things. And anything that adds to fear helps. (like duh why do you think both canidates are trying to impress the public with their vows of superior protection, the US as a whole is scared) For example, one day about 7 weeks ago when I was with a police friend of mine's squad car for a shift we got a whole lot of calls about stupid things like there is a "supsicious character in my neighborhood" and it turns out that it's just because he's black. "Omg he's black he wants to kill meh, teh world is so scary!!1!one" Come on.
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 14 2004, 11:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 14 2004, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And this is why we need someone as amazing as Teddy Roosevelt in office.
Also, you Kerry fanatics complaining about Bush changing his mind on something (this is the first ive heard about him 'flip-flopping' by the way) you should check out the Ultimate John Kerry Ad, it owns you, and your candidate.
www.johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
*edit* I personally don't really like either cadidate, aswell...but if I had to choose one, it would be Bush...just because he seems to be very firm in his ways, unlike Kerry who will probably do what will make him popular instead of what is (in the end) correct. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, Bush got <a href='http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?reposid=/multimedia/tds/stewart/jon_7131.html&setplayer=real_media' target='_blank'>owned</a> on that one <i>years</i> ago.
<!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 14 2004, 06:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 14 2004, 06:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 14 2004, 06:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 14 2004, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And this is why we need someone as amazing as Teddy Roosevelt in office. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You mean <i>Franklin</i> Roosevelt? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, I mean Teddy, Theodore, merciless man God of the universe, et cetera.
As for owning Kerry and Bush...i'll shut up on that matter. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 14 2004, 06:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 14 2004, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...merciless man God of the universe, et cetera. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nihil est; In vita priore ego imperator romanus fui. Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum.
<!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 14 2004, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 14 2004, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 14 2004, 06:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 14 2004, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...merciless man God of the universe, et cetera. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nihil est; In vita priore ego imperator romanus fui. Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum.
<!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 14 2004, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 14 2004, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 14 2004, 06:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 14 2004, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...merciless man God of the universe, et cetera. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nihil est; In vita priore ego imperator romanus fui. Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum.
<!--QuoteBegin-BathroomMonkey+Oct 14 2004, 06:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BathroomMonkey @ Oct 14 2004, 06:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 14 2004, 11:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 14 2004, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And this is why we need someone as amazing as Teddy Roosevelt in office.
Also, you Kerry fanatics complaining about Bush changing his mind on something (this is the first ive heard about him 'flip-flopping' by the way) you should check out the Ultimate John Kerry Ad, it owns you, and your candidate.
www.johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
*edit* I personally don't really like either cadidate, aswell...but if I had to choose one, it would be Bush...just because he seems to be very firm in his ways, unlike Kerry who will probably do what will make him popular instead of what is (in the end) correct. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, Bush got <a href='http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?reposid=/multimedia/tds/stewart/jon_7131.html&setplayer=real_media' target='_blank'>owned</a> on that one <i>years</i> ago. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, and I believe two weeks ago they ran a segment that made fun of people who looked at the Daily Show, and thought of it as a credable news source.
They've also repeatedly said that they're a fake news show.l
<!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Oct 14 2004, 06:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Oct 14 2004, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Belgium <i>is</i> just sitting there. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So I am to assume that you understood that last sentence then? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Forum rules. English only. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bah! Just google it you lazy bum. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm not going to translate it for you when you were the one who started using the Latin. *ahem* <i>"et cetera"</i>
<!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 14 2004, 07:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 14 2004, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Oct 14 2004, 06:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Oct 14 2004, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Belgium <i>is</i> just sitting there. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So I am to assume that you understood that last sentence then? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Forum rules. English only. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bah! Just google it you lazy bum. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm not going to translate it for you when you were the one who started using the Latin. *ahem* <i>"et cetera"</i> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
Don't break forum rules, and et cetera, like a large number of latin words, is also common in the English language. I shouldn't have to translate it either, because you're posting on boards the require the use of the ENGLISH language.
*edit* I didn't mean to sound like a forum mod, but i'm pretty sure that everyone is expected to follow the rules...yes, that means you.
<span style='color:white'>The 'report' button stayed untouched by you, though...</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 14 2004, 06:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 14 2004, 06:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why not? You don't think the planet cann ever achieve unity?
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, no it can't. This isn't a fairy tale.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Totally agree with you on the green Disagree with the red, I believe in humanity and us vs. them attitudes are only goign to make things worse, not better. No offense but I don't think the US can take on the whole world militarly. The Nazi's learned this the hard way. Only a very few people are evil (and they tend to become leaders, better to be feared than loved) but the overwhelming majority isn't. The US is really quite paranoid that everyone is out to get us. They aren't. They just want the same things we want. Happiness, a good job, sex, whatever you get the point... Besides out news now days like to put a "spin" on things. And anything that adds to fear helps. (like duh why do you think both canidates are trying to impress the public with their vows of superior protection, the US as a whole is scared) For example, one day about 7 weeks ago when I was with a police friend of mine's squad car for a shift we got a whole lot of calls about stupid things like there is a "supsicious character in my neighborhood" and it turns out that it's just because he's black. "Omg he's black he wants to kill meh, teh world is so scary!!1!one" Come on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who said we need to fight them all, not like they could all work with each other anyway, no one said anything about fighting them. Marine was simply making a point that is completely valid: that world "leaders" such as those of France and Germany no longer need the US and therefore our relation is going the way it would have gone had Russia not been such a threat anyway. Proof of this is evident when we see how adamantly France opposed invading Iraq, not because they cared about Iraq, but because they had a nice thing going with the Oil for Food Program. This is how the world works, everybody is looking out for their own interests, it’s not just politics it’s human nature.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, no it can't. This isn't a fairy tale.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Totally agree with you on the green Disagree with the red, I believe in humanity and us vs. them attitudes are only goign to make things worse, not better. No offense but I don't think the US can take on the whole world militarly. The Nazi's learned this the hard way. Only a very few people are evil (and they tend to become leaders, better to be feared than loved) but the overwhelming majority isn't. The US is really quite paranoid that everyone is out to get us. They aren't. They just want the same things we want. Happiness, a good job, sex, whatever you get the point... Besides out news now days like to put a "spin" on things. And anything that adds to fear helps. (like duh why do you think both canidates are trying to impress the public with their vows of superior protection, the US as a whole is scared) For example, one day about 7 weeks ago when I was with a police friend of mine's squad car for a shift we got a whole lot of calls about stupid things like there is a "supsicious character in my neighborhood" and it turns out that it's just because he's black. "Omg he's black he wants to kill meh, teh world is so scary!!1!one" Come on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who said we need to fight them all, not like they could all work with each other anyway, no one said anything about fighting them. Marine was simply making a point that is completely valid: that world "leaders" such as those of France and Germany no longer need the US and therefore our relation is going the way it would have gone had Russia not been such a threat anyway. Proof of this is evident when we see how adamantly France opposed invading Iraq, not because they cared about Iraq, but because they had a nice thing going with the Oil for Food Program. This is how the world works, everybody is looking out for their own interests, it’s not just politics it’s human nature. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree, fully.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Generalized views on major candidates+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Generalized views on major candidates)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->People want to vote Bush, not realizing he flip-flops (God, that's annoying) all the time. They pick him for his Christian values and his stern, strong appearance.
People make fun of him for his poor background and ineptness at almost everything he touches - along with his poor speech patterns with anything he doesn't have a passion for (and apparently he only has a passion for Christianity and rallying voters outside of a debate).
People want to vote Kerry because he's not Bush and because of his supposed tax posistion.
Apparently he's voted wrong on every bill ever sent his way (...pssst, don't mention riders on bills!). He appears fairly inept at military affairs and seems to be a bit wishy-washy (almost as annoying as flip-floppy) on many issues.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now, that's probably biased a bit towards Kerry, because I'm not very fond of Bush. He changes direction with his policy constantly, he's inept at informing the public and he's wasted (in my opinion, maybe not yours) billions of dollars on homeland security paying not attention to the information he pays people to collect.
To me, Kerry's not much better. He always seems to want to pick the view held by the majority of the people (but it seems more constant than the media portrays), I just think it's a bit false - although he may just hold all those ideas.
It's just too bad that everyone says, "A vote for a third party is a vote for Bush." Because most people are idiotic enough to believe if they had voted for a third party the poll chances their choice from "Nader" to "Bush." Or something. People will say, "Most Bush supporters are dedicated Bush supporters though." And it's funny how it's always the guy who's holding office that will win. Bah, I'll vote for who matches my ideas best...
Despite all that: I think you all need to get more objective views. Step away from your subjective views for a bit and see how the other side could consider voting against your chosen candidate. Focus more on facts and opinions coming solely from the candidates and not media twists on words. Look into what the candidates allow as ads for themselves and how they're willing to twists words around on eachother. Granted, you'll still be biased (and I'm biased too, as is my little summary above) - but you can try not to be.
For instance, on outsourcing he said he would change laws so company's could no longer defer taxes due to outsourcing, and those taxes paid would be used to fund job credit that companies can apply for and use to provide more jobs for Americans. I wouldn't call that added crap; I'd call it a plan that was clearly explained. That made complete sense to me and its about as much as you can say in 90 seconds. What more do you want?
Bush never gave detail like that and was rarely understandable.
You know, if he said that it wouldn't be a lie. It's not like every issue remains of equal importance all the time, his other quotes just basically said "it's not our top priority because there's no immediate threat we're aware of," it doesn't say that "I'm devoting absolutely no attention to him because i suddenly decided that he isn't who we want to go after." So unless I'm extremely retarded or taking these quotes completely out of context, I don't see what everyone's so amused about.
I would appreciate it if somebody who's knowledgeable on this matter sets things straight, because I don't think it's the way everyone is making it out to be.
Also.. I'd prefer to give someone new a shot, after Bush has so horrifically f**ked over the nation. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NO MORE MONKEYS! Re-defeat Bush.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Reasa, curiously, have you ever taught? Both of my parents are educators-- and my father took an administrative position at a charter school for troubled kids as a challenge, and I can atest that it certainly wasn't easy. Nor has my mother's career been a breeze, though she teaches at one of the better public high school in the country.
You have 0 credibility with me, as of that mindless statement. And to head you off at the pass, I really don't give a rat's **** what that means to you. You're off base.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My father is an educator, and I take no offence at Reasa's statement. A lot of teachers try to make out that their job is the most taxing in the universe, yet they get masses of holidays and a respected position in society. It's not easy, but it definately isnt a job that needs to be singled out as "hard". Its work, just like everyone else does.
Listen to O'Reilly. The man gives points to democrats and republicans alike. He's obviously republican, but he gives credit to both sides. Ironically, he's probably the least bias position to listen to. Both parties are saying they won. If O'Reilly says one party or the other one, I'd believe him.
A couple of suggestions: Never go by polls conducted within 48hours of a debate. As a good example. Within 48hours of the Reagan Mondale debate, Mondale was said to have won in a landslide. 48 hours later, it went to Reagan. These early polls have always been volatile and changing litereally within hours.
Go back and watch the debate again. Democrats and Republicans. Take time and think about not just how they deliver their arguements but what they are saying.
Take a cold shower and then come back and post. Lets see if we can do it without ad-hominem attacks this time.
Kerry said that if he were president he would have forced it through and made it pass.
Well, last time I checked Kerry was a US senator and isn't passing bills kind of his job? Why didn't he do it?
Kerry said that if he were president he would have forced it through and made it pass.
Well, last time I checked Kerry was a US senator and isn't passing bills kind of his job? Why didn't he do it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I also like the idea of a magical "forcing" power of the president in congress.
The president can help, but it's not a 100% sure thing.
Kerry said that if he were president he would have forced it through and made it pass.
Well, last time I checked Kerry was a US senator and isn't passing bills kind of his job? Why didn't he do it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
...because we all know 1 senator can pass every single bill in congress if he wanted to...Even a "politicians must wear hats and skip down the street every day of the year except those divisible by prime numbers greater than 11" bill...
...oh wait.
Kerry said that if he were president he would have forced it through and made it pass.
Well, last time I checked Kerry was a US senator and isn't passing bills kind of his job? Why didn't he do it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...because we all know 1 senator can pass every single bill in congress if he wanted to...Even a "politicians must wear hats and skip down the street every day of the year except those divisible by prime numbers greater than 11" bill...
...oh wait. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I forgot the point where it was the job of the executive branch to initiate and pass legislation.
Remember it is Kerry's job to get support for bills he wants passed. If a 20 veteran of the Senate cannot drum up enough support for a bill that supposedly everyone wants then he is a failure as a senator.
Or perhaps he just wanted Bush to take the heat for pushing a right limiting bill without tarnishing the 'hunting-man' image that Kerry says he is.
*reacts as if someone dragged fingernails across a chalkboard*
Eek! <span style='font-family:Times'><b>politics</b></span><span style='color:gray'><b> +</b></span> <span style='font-family:Optima'><b>religion</b></span> (especially invoking God being on our side) <span style='color:gray'><b>=</b></span> <span style='font-family:Impact'><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>BAD</span></span></span>!!!
Dude... that is exactly what countless nations, criminals, whatever do to justify their actions... God told me so. God is on my/our side. etc... Not cool.
As far as the debate... I loved how Kerry said he wanted to work with the world to stop the crime of terrorism and Bush was like we f-ck the world if they won't get behind us and God. Laf. Yes that is exactly how the republican party feels about it Bush and why if you get re-elected terrorism will not be reduced, only increased and all the while more good US soldiers and innocent "collateral" people will be killed either directly by us or by the reign of chaos in the environment that comes with war. I love how Kerry came back and was like well no **** I'm not going to sacrifice American security. What you are doing is not making it better dear Bushy. It's making it <i>worse</i>.
From just what I caught on the TV was just more affirmation of why I disagree with the Bush administration. Sorry for all you Bush fans who domainate the Off Topic forum, and I respect the guy, but I really don't like his team and what their procedures for the goals are.
PS: Steady & Rock Solid isn't really a compliment, no offense <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"You moron"
Thanks for your posts. I was interested in hearing what Spooge had to say, not what you had to say.
I haven't been interested in hearing what Kerry supporters or Bush supporters have been saying. I've been interested in hearing what the <undecided> have been saying. I've seen only one or two people in this thread that actually contributed to a discussion that were worth reading.
So, hardcore people, tone back.
Sorry to hear you say that, sounds like I stuck a nerve. I have not "taught" in the general sense but I have done a lot of one on one and small group tutoring, including helping Hispanic high school kids learn English. I have no training what so ever and very rarely did I ever run into any difficulties. In my opinion most of them are over paid and under qualified, which is sad. There are always good teachers of course; I don't want to make them all seem bad, but it’s just a job like any other…hell most of em get a paid 3 month vacation every summer…oh yes lets worship them.
Also I never wanted to receive your rat's **** to begin with.
<!--QuoteBegin-illuminex says on previous page on bottem+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex says on previous page on bottem)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So, hardcore people, tone back.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whoa there little doggies don't make me squeeze you. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> (don't ask I don't know either, it just fit)
*reacts as if someone dragged fingernails across a chalkboard*
Eek! <span style='font-family:Times'><b>politics</b></span><span style='color:gray'><b> +</b></span> <span style='font-family:Optima'><b>religion</b></span> (especially invoking God being on our side) <span style='color:gray'><b>=</b></span> <span style='font-family:Impact'><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>BAD</span></span></span>!!!
Dude... that is exactly what countless nations, criminals, whatever do to justify their actions... God told me so. God is on my/our side. etc... Not cool.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didnt hear those nails. Guess what atheists - "It was in self defence" has been used by countless more as an excuse then "God told me too". I dont here you criticising that little method just because people have abused it in the past. God is on our side is a claim that has been made falsely in the past, just like every other justification/defence in the book. Face it, you cant handle it that your President believes he's doing the right thing, you cant handle that he thinks that he is doing what God wants him to do. Your visceral reaction towards anything "God" is noted, especially when used in conjunction with Bush.
Gullible Americans still swallowing the old con that you can "work with the world"? No surprises here. The world doesnt want to work with you - but that doesnt occur to Joe Average. Time to wake up and smell croissants boys - now that Europe and friends have nothing they need to American's to protect them from, THEY DONT NEED YOU. They DONT care about what happens to you, so long as it doesnt affect them and their economy. Why are they going to help you - out of the goodness of their hearts? They also resent your dominance of the world economically, militarily and culturally. These arent basically friendly nations that are a little worried about Bush, they are coldly calculating nations out for their own interests. Not that the Americans dont work the same way, but you guys seem to have a very rosy view of the world. If they determined it in their best interests to oppose an American action, justified or not, then its too hell with the US, come Bush or Kerry.
Also, you Kerry fanatics complaining about Bush changing his mind on something (this is the first ive heard about him 'flip-flopping' by the way) you should check out the Ultimate John Kerry Ad, it owns you, and your candidate.
www.johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
*edit* I personally don't really like either cadidate, aswell...but if I had to choose one, it would be Bush...just because he seems to be very firm in his ways, unlike Kerry who will probably do what will make him popular instead of what is (in the end) correct.
Sorry to hear you say that, sounds like I stuck a nerve. I have not "taught" in the general sense but I have done a lot of one on one and small group tutoring, including helping Hispanic high school kids learn English. I have no training what so ever and very rarely did I ever run into any difficulties. In my opinion most of them are over paid and under qualified, which is sad. There are always good teachers of course; I don't want to make them all seem bad, but it’s just a job like any other…hell most of em get a paid 3 month vacation every summer…oh yes lets worship them.
Also I never wanted to receive your rat's **** to begin with. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but I think it's misguided to say that it isn't hard-- <i>any</i> job <i>can be</i> easy, if you don't do it correctly.
But after growing up in an education oriented family, I've seen the amount of preparation and dedication it takes to teach people well. Of course, as you said, this doesn't apply to <i>all</i> teachers (like any job, no sample can stand properly represent the entire population).
People think teachers are lucky to be free of class by two-thirty, but any decent teacher will spend the bulk of that evening grading, developing lesson plans, or reading for the next day's class.
Teachers have three months off, but I know from watching my mother and her colleagues, much of that time is spent preparing their cirriculum (and boning up on the material it contains) for the coming year.
Plus . . . <i>parents</i>.
I don't think most teachers are asking you to worship them; and I don't necessarily think they're overpaid. A lot depends on your school system, but it can be worth it-- the education offered in my school, along with its reputation, helped a lot of kids land in some very good colleges and universities.
Again, perhaps I was a bit harsh, but if you've ever said anything that's especially rubbed me the wrong way, that was <i>it</i>.
You mean <i>Franklin</i> Roosevelt?
~edit~
Replying to Marine01:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I didnt hear those nails. Guess what atheists - <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whoa there Mr. ConclusionJumper. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm probably <i>more</i> religious than you, and btw I do believe in God so don't insult me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"It was in self defence" has been used by countless more as an excuse then "God told me too". I am far from aethist I dont here you criticising that little method just because people have abused it in the past. God is on our side is a claim that has been made falsely in the past, just like every other justification/defence in the book. Face it, you cant handle it that your President believes he's doing the right thing, you cant handle that he thinks that he is doing what God wants him to do. Your visceral reaction towards anything "God" is noted, especially when used in conjunction with Bush.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Um ok. Stop analyzing and trying to catagorize me and just read the 3 term equation I wrote out. I don't care who it is. If Kerry or anyone else does it I'm going to jump all over him/her for it to.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gullible Americans still swallowing the old con that you can "work with the world"?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why not? You don't think the planet cann ever achieve unity?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No surprises here. The world doesnt want to work with you - but that doesnt occur to Joe Average. Time to wake up and smell croissants boys - now that Europe and friends have nothing they need to American's to protect them from, THEY DONT NEED YOU. They DONT care about what happens to you, so long as it doesnt affect them and their economy. <span style='color:green'>Why are they going to help you - out of the goodness of their hearts? They also resent your dominance of the world economically, militarily and culturally.</span> These arent basically friendly nations that are a little worried about Bush, <span style='color:red'>they are coldly calculating nations out for their own interests.</span> Not that the Americans dont work the same way, but you guys seem to have a very rosy view of the world. If they determined it in their best interests to oppose an American action, justified or not, then its too hell with the US, come Bush or Kerry.? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Totally agree with you on the green
Disagree with the red, I believe in humanity and us vs. them attitudes are only goign to make things worse, not better. No offense but I don't think the US can take on the whole world militarly. The Nazi's learned this the hard way. Only a very few people are evil (and they tend to become leaders, better to be feared than loved) but the overwhelming majority isn't. The US is really quite paranoid that everyone is out to get us. They aren't. They just want the same things we want. Happiness, a good job, sex, whatever you get the point... Besides out news now days like to put a "spin" on things. And anything that adds to fear helps. (like duh why do you think both canidates are trying to impress the public with their vows of superior protection, the US as a whole is scared) For example, one day about 7 weeks ago when I was with a police friend of mine's squad car for a shift we got a whole lot of calls about stupid things like there is a "supsicious character in my neighborhood" and it turns out that it's just because he's black. "Omg he's black he wants to kill meh, teh world is so scary!!1!one" Come on.
Also, you Kerry fanatics complaining about Bush changing his mind on something (this is the first ive heard about him 'flip-flopping' by the way) you should check out the Ultimate John Kerry Ad, it owns you, and your candidate.
www.johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
*edit* I personally don't really like either cadidate, aswell...but if I had to choose one, it would be Bush...just because he seems to be very firm in his ways, unlike Kerry who will probably do what will make him popular instead of what is (in the end) correct. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah, Bush got <a href='http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?reposid=/multimedia/tds/stewart/jon_7131.html&setplayer=real_media' target='_blank'>owned</a> on that one <i>years</i> ago.
You mean <i>Franklin</i> Roosevelt? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I mean Teddy, Theodore, merciless man God of the universe, et cetera.
As for owning Kerry and Bush...i'll shut up on that matter. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nihil est; In vita priore ego imperator romanus fui. Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum.
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Nihil est; In vita priore ego imperator romanus fui. Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum.
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Forum rules. <b>English</b> only.
Nihil est; In vita priore ego imperator romanus fui. Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum.
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Belgium <i>is</i> just sitting there.
Also, you Kerry fanatics complaining about Bush changing his mind on something (this is the first ive heard about him 'flip-flopping' by the way) you should check out the Ultimate John Kerry Ad, it owns you, and your candidate.
www.johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
*edit* I personally don't really like either cadidate, aswell...but if I had to choose one, it would be Bush...just because he seems to be very firm in his ways, unlike Kerry who will probably do what will make him popular instead of what is (in the end) correct. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah, Bush got <a href='http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?reposid=/multimedia/tds/stewart/jon_7131.html&setplayer=real_media' target='_blank'>owned</a> on that one <i>years</i> ago. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, and I believe two weeks ago they ran a segment that made fun of people who looked at the Daily Show, and thought of it as a credable news source.
They've also repeatedly said that they're a fake news show.l
So I am to assume that you understood that last sentence then? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Forum rules. English only. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bah! Just google it you lazy bum. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm not going to translate it for you when you were the one who started using the Latin. *ahem* <i>"et cetera"</i>
So I am to assume that you understood that last sentence then? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Forum rules. English only. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bah! Just google it you lazy bum. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm not going to translate it for you when you were the one who started using the Latin. *ahem* <i>"et cetera"</i> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
Don't break forum rules, and et cetera, like a large number of latin words, is also common in the English language. I shouldn't have to translate it either, because you're posting on boards the require the use of the ENGLISH language.
*edit* I didn't mean to sound like a forum mod, but i'm pretty sure that everyone is expected to follow the rules...yes, that means you.
<span style='color:white'>The 'report' button stayed untouched by you, though...</span>
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No, no it can't. This isn't a fairy tale.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Totally agree with you on the green
Disagree with the red, I believe in humanity and us vs. them attitudes are only goign to make things worse, not better. No offense but I don't think the US can take on the whole world militarly. The Nazi's learned this the hard way. Only a very few people are evil (and they tend to become leaders, better to be feared than loved) but the overwhelming majority isn't. The US is really quite paranoid that everyone is out to get us. They aren't. They just want the same things we want. Happiness, a good job, sex, whatever you get the point... Besides out news now days like to put a "spin" on things. And anything that adds to fear helps. (like duh why do you think both canidates are trying to impress the public with their vows of superior protection, the US as a whole is scared) For example, one day about 7 weeks ago when I was with a police friend of mine's squad car for a shift we got a whole lot of calls about stupid things like there is a "supsicious character in my neighborhood" and it turns out that it's just because he's black. "Omg he's black he wants to kill meh, teh world is so scary!!1!one" Come on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who said we need to fight them all, not like they could all work with each other anyway, no one said anything about fighting them. Marine was simply making a point that is completely valid: that world "leaders" such as those of France and Germany no longer need the US and therefore our relation is going the way it would have gone had Russia not been such a threat anyway. Proof of this is evident when we see how adamantly France opposed invading Iraq, not because they cared about Iraq, but because they had a nice thing going with the Oil for Food Program. This is how the world works, everybody is looking out for their own interests, it’s not just politics it’s human nature.
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No, no it can't. This isn't a fairy tale.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Totally agree with you on the green
Disagree with the red, I believe in humanity and us vs. them attitudes are only goign to make things worse, not better. No offense but I don't think the US can take on the whole world militarly. The Nazi's learned this the hard way. Only a very few people are evil (and they tend to become leaders, better to be feared than loved) but the overwhelming majority isn't. The US is really quite paranoid that everyone is out to get us. They aren't. They just want the same things we want. Happiness, a good job, sex, whatever you get the point... Besides out news now days like to put a "spin" on things. And anything that adds to fear helps. (like duh why do you think both canidates are trying to impress the public with their vows of superior protection, the US as a whole is scared) For example, one day about 7 weeks ago when I was with a police friend of mine's squad car for a shift we got a whole lot of calls about stupid things like there is a "supsicious character in my neighborhood" and it turns out that it's just because he's black. "Omg he's black he wants to kill meh, teh world is so scary!!1!one" Come on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who said we need to fight them all, not like they could all work with each other anyway, no one said anything about fighting them. Marine was simply making a point that is completely valid: that world "leaders" such as those of France and Germany no longer need the US and therefore our relation is going the way it would have gone had Russia not been such a threat anyway. Proof of this is evident when we see how adamantly France opposed invading Iraq, not because they cared about Iraq, but because they had a nice thing going with the Oil for Food Program. This is how the world works, everybody is looking out for their own interests, it’s not just politics it’s human nature. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree, fully.