<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Oct 22 2004, 02:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Oct 22 2004, 02:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even an AOL free trial 56k modem set up would do it. Your not downloading, just logging in to auth, then switch to offline mode. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Considering I can't even get steam to update through all my uni's firewalls and crap, I'm not really thrilled by that information
Take your PC to a Lan/Friends House and use their internet connection? Use a Mobile phone for the connection?
Im running out of ideas here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
HL2 should come with the latest Steam install so its unlikely your gonna need a load of updates for that either.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 22 2004, 08:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 22 2004, 08:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Considering I can't even get steam to update through all my uni's firewalls and crap, I'm not really thrilled by that information <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My Uni Broadband is just fine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Why do people keep saying "When steam dies you won't be able to play it anyway blah blah blah"? Bit of a newsflash, there's an offline mode for Steam! If the steam network doesn't work, it doesn't matter. Who'da thunk it? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and i think if there even would be no offline mode for steam, valve would put a patch out.. and for the case there is no following project to steam i think they would remove the auth system too, so you would not need a authmaster server ..
Well as I don't have the internet at home at the moment I activated my winXP over the phone, can't see why valve couldn't do the same. I personally wouldn't like to send an email with my details for the whole world to see.
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Oct 22 2004, 03:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Oct 22 2004, 03:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Take your PC to a Lan/Friends House and use their internet connection? Use a Mobile phone for the connection?
Im running out of ideas here :p
HL2 should come with the latest Steam install so its unlikely your gonna need a load of updates for that either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't you think these are a bit extreme things to ask of paying customers, especially for a single player game? I certainly do.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Oct 22 2004, 12:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Oct 22 2004, 12:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Oct 22 2004, 03:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Oct 22 2004, 03:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Take your PC to a Lan/Friends House and use their internet connection? Use a Mobile phone for the connection?
Im running out of ideas here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
HL2 should come with the latest Steam install so its unlikely your gonna need a load of updates for that either. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't you think these are a bit extreme things to ask of paying customers, especially for a single player game? I certainly do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, to be fair swift's situation, while not uncommon, isnt representative of the average paying customer. I know far more people with a working internet connection than people who own machines capable of running HL2. Its just a phoneline and a modem, come on, my grandma has it for crying out loud <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Oct 22 2004, 12:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Oct 22 2004, 12:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Don't you think these are a bit extreme things to ask of paying customers, especially for a single player game? I certainly do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nope.
Its better than hugely restrictive copy-protection utilitys that don't let people play their games.
Yeah but those files will be on the internet <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Currently I don't even have a phone line, just use a mobile. It depends on your situation really, I'm a bit of an exception really as just a few years back I was homeless so I'm quite literally starting from the ground up.
There is a big difference between buying a graphics card for a game that will allow you to see it properly and will be a big boost to your whole system and a modem which you will only use to authorise your HL2 copy and then never again (plus, if you do want to use it again you have to hunt down ISP's, pay subscriptions etc).
<!--QuoteBegin-sheena yanai+Oct 22 2004, 05:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Oct 22 2004, 05:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and i think if there even would be no offline mode for steam, valve would put a patch out.. and for the case there is no following project to steam i think they would remove the auth system too, so you would not need a authmaster server ..
i dont see where the problem is.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This one is just funny. You see no problem with them releasing a patch via steam that fixes the lack of online mode? Or did you just forget that steam is valve's new lovechild.
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Oct 22 2004, 02:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Oct 22 2004, 02:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think it boils down to trust.... and most of us don't trust steam... Personally I own silver package and have Collector's edition on pre-order.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You need steam to activate your boxed copy so its pointless getting both.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam installations?
Doug Lombardi: During installation the user will be prompted to authenticate the copy and create a Steam account. After that is complete, the single-player and LAN games do not require an Internet connection.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure it is...n't Except I want the CDS, but I want to play CS:S right now and retail doesn't include DOD:S. So this way I can have my pickenick-basket and eat it too Booboo!
Well damn it. The SP verification thing has been confirmed w/ an interview on PHL's front page.
This means HL2 will be a shortlived game that won't take the place in history that it will hopefully rightfully deserve, but instead will be doomed to be a passing fad...
I sent this e-mail to doug lombardi, if I get a reply I'll post it: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There is something I've been wondering about HL2 that I would really like to know. I would really appreciate it if you could answer it for me.
I noticed in your recent interview with Gamespy that you mentioned that users must log in to Steam to activate their account even for single player HL2. What about those behind firewalls who can't connect to Steam at all? Or those that don't even have Internet access? I know many people in this situation who were planning on buying Half-Life 2, but probably won't now because they don't want to throw their money away on a game they can't play.
As for me personally, I'm concerned with this: What about 10 or 15 years from now when I want to install and play HL2, but Steam either isn't around anymore or has been upgraded/modified and it no longer recognizes HL2? I know it seems silly to be concerned about playing the game so far from now, but I still have DOOM 1 & 2, and Quake 1 installed on my hard drive, plus I have a NES and SNES in the living room, all of which gets played on a regular basis.
Thanks for any light you can shed on this issue. And thanks for HL2. I'm glad its finally done, though I bet nowhere near as glad as you guys.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Someone tell DOOM that 10-15 years from now we will have the technology for him to play HL2 without worrying about Steam. Look at all the Commodore 64 ROMS if you want evidence of people who will keep great games alive, no matter what happens.
Doom, when the times comes, they will sort something out which allows you to continue playing your 10 year old copy of HL2. There really isnt anything to be worried about, honestly.
Hm, that's a good point DOOM. Hopefully there is a steam install on the disc and an offline mode which you can install with. Otherwise we're stuck with steam (THE HORROR!!!)
<!--QuoteBegin-Alkiller+Oct 23 2004, 01:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Alkiller @ Oct 23 2004, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hm, that's a good point DOOM. Hopefully there is a steam install on the disc and an offline mode which you can install with. Otherwise we're stuck with steam (THE HORROR!!!) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Even if there is, you won't be able to play it at all without online authentication.
<!--QuoteBegin-A few posts up ^^+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (A few posts up ^^)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Doug Lombardi: During installation the user will be prompted to authenticate the copy and create a Steam account. After that is complete, the single-player and LAN games do not require an Internet connection.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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BTW Steam won't die. Once its 100% stable, and more powerful servers get out(enabled with Internet 2.0), other developers are going to use it and just pay VALVe a bit of money. Thats the plan, anyway.
Quakeworld was popular too. Its dead. Westwood Online was popular. It too is dead. Heat.net and Zone.com had hundreds of thousands of gamers, both are dead.
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<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Oct 23 2004, 08:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Oct 23 2004, 08:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Quakeworld was popular too. Its dead. Westwood Online was popular. It too is dead. Heat.net and Zone.com had hundreds of thousands of gamers, both are dead.
And in 10 years, Steam will also be long dead. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> DOOM's got a point, there isn't exactly a precendent for it surviving. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Why are you worried <i>now</i> about a game you may or may not want to play in a decade's time. When people talk about steam dying i assume they mean a couple of years, but TEN? Damn thats some high expectations. I dont expect software to be compatible with windows XP in 10 years, am i worried? NO
Besides steam dies but there is still demand for HL2 etc, there will be soemthing else to replace it, just like steam replaced WON.
keep in mind, you only need steam to be online in order to install. A CD'd copy of the steam files and HL2 should theroetically be able to play the game (possibly with a few modifications required)
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Considering I can't even get steam to update through all my uni's firewalls and crap, I'm not really thrilled by that information
Im running out of ideas here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
HL2 should come with the latest Steam install so its unlikely your gonna need a load of updates for that either.
My Uni Broadband is just fine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Which is why you need a connection. Then you don't need the net at all....
and for the case there is no following project to steam i think they would remove the auth system too, so you would not need a authmaster server ..
i dont see where the problem is..
Im running out of ideas here :p
HL2 should come with the latest Steam install so its unlikely your gonna need a load of updates for that either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't you think these are a bit extreme things to ask of paying customers, especially for a single player game? I certainly do.
Im running out of ideas here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
HL2 should come with the latest Steam install so its unlikely your gonna need a load of updates for that either. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't you think these are a bit extreme things to ask of paying customers, especially for a single player game? I certainly do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, to be fair swift's situation, while not uncommon, isnt representative of the average paying customer. I know far more people with a working internet connection than people who own machines capable of running HL2. Its just a phoneline and a modem, come on, my grandma has it for crying out loud <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nope.
Its better than hugely restrictive copy-protection utilitys that don't let people play their games.
/me glares at Doom 3
Currently I don't even have a phone line, just use a mobile. It depends on your situation really, I'm a bit of an exception really as just a few years back I was homeless so I'm quite literally starting from the ground up.
There is a big difference between buying a graphics card for a game that will allow you to see it properly and will be a big boost to your whole system and a modem which you will only use to authorise your HL2 copy and then never again (plus, if you do want to use it again you have to hunt down ISP's, pay subscriptions etc).
I still say you can probably just use the phone.
and for the case there is no following project to steam i think they would remove the auth system too, so you would not need a authmaster server ..
i dont see where the problem is.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This one is just funny. You see no problem with them releasing a patch via steam that fixes the lack of online mode? Or did you just forget that steam is valve's new lovechild.
You need steam to activate your boxed copy so its pointless getting both.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam installations?
Doug Lombardi: During installation the user will be prompted to authenticate the copy and create a Steam account. After that is complete, the single-player and LAN games do not require an Internet connection.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure it is...n't Except I want the CDS, but I want to play CS:S right now and retail doesn't include DOD:S. So this way I can have my pickenick-basket and eat it too Booboo!
This means HL2 will be a shortlived game that won't take the place in history that it will hopefully rightfully deserve, but instead will be doomed to be a passing fad...
I sent this e-mail to doug lombardi, if I get a reply I'll post it:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There is something I've been wondering about HL2 that I would really like to know. I would really appreciate it if you could answer it for me.
I noticed in your recent interview with Gamespy that you mentioned that users must log in to Steam to activate their account even for single player HL2. What about those behind firewalls who can't connect to Steam at all? Or those that don't even have Internet access? I know many people in this situation who were planning on buying Half-Life 2, but probably won't now because they don't want to throw their money away on a game they can't play.
As for me personally, I'm concerned with this:
What about 10 or 15 years from now when I want to install and play HL2, but Steam either isn't around anymore or has been upgraded/modified and it no longer recognizes HL2? I know it seems silly to be concerned about playing the game so far from now, but I still have DOOM 1 & 2, and Quake 1 installed on my hard drive, plus I have a NES and SNES in the living room, all of which gets played on a regular basis.
Thanks for any light you can shed on this issue. And thanks for HL2. I'm glad its finally done, though I bet nowhere near as glad as you guys.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even if there is, you won't be able to play it at all without online authentication.
<!--QuoteBegin-A few posts up ^^+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (A few posts up ^^)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Doug Lombardi: During installation the user will be prompted to authenticate the copy and create a Steam account. After that is complete, the single-player and LAN games do not require an Internet connection.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Westwood Online was popular. It too is dead.
Heat.net and Zone.com had hundreds of thousands of gamers, both are dead.
And in 10 years, Steam will also be long dead.
Westwood Online was popular. It too is dead.
Heat.net and Zone.com had hundreds of thousands of gamers, both are dead.
And in 10 years, Steam will also be long dead. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
DOOM's got a point, there isn't exactly a precendent for it surviving. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
- Shockwave
Besides steam dies but there is still demand for HL2 etc, there will be soemthing else to replace it, just like steam replaced WON.