Scientists Make Brain
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<div class="IPBDescription">teach it to fly plane</div> "Scientists at the University of Florida <a href='http://www.napa.ufl.edu/2004news/braindish.htm' target='_blank'>made a living 'brain'</a> by extracting 25,000 neurons from a rat's brain and culturing them inside a glass dish. Then, the neurons began to extend lines to each other, creating a living neural network between them. The dish had a grid of 60 electrodes connected to a computer running a flight simulator. The scientists were able to train the 'brain' to control the plane in the simulator and to react to conditions of the plane. Are we getting closer to create an artificially made conscious being, or perhaps, a living computer?"
--Slashdot
Is it just me or do I speak for everyone when I say: <i><b>Wicked cool!</b></i>
--Slashdot
Is it just me or do I speak for everyone when I say: <i><b>Wicked cool!</b></i>
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::Makes a bomb shelter::
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You are ENTIRELY wrong.
It's <b><i><u><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>WICKED SICK!!!!</span></span></u></i></b>
Wish I hadn't made the effort...
For instance, Dragon, would you like to elaborate your position?
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Ok, ok.... I sense that this breakthrough could be the start of a biologically-based compter system. Considering that a human brain has enormous potential that is rarely used, a biomechanical system that pushes the brain and combines both analog and digital processing could allo for astonishing leaps of computer processing power, as well as provide a means for AI. Not Artificial Intelligence - Actual Intelligence. A being that could learn, grow and think on it's own.
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Ok, ok.... I sense that this breakthrough could be the start of a biologically-based compter system. Considering that a human brain has enormous potential that is rarely used, a biomechanical system that pushes the brain and combines both analog and digital processing could allo for astonishing leaps of computer processing power, as well as provide a means for AI. Not Artificial Intelligence - Actual Intelligence. A being that could learn, grow and think on it's own. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
....And there is something wrong with this.... why?
Its one of the untimates in human scientific achievement: creating a living, thinking, concious entity out of a pile of cells.
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[edit]D'oh, Dragon already got to it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I really prefer getting Flak Monkey, but that's getting a little OT. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Ah, ok. I wasn't familliar with that phraseology... er.. um.. whatever..
or how said AI coud screw us over. I'm all for this technology but I'm not yet up to the risk of putting my family in the hands of it. I mean if this entity "grew" up in a clean white room with scientist, thats not primarily focusing on reinforcing "good" behavior (ie treat people good and they will too) I doubt that said entity would have very developed social abilities which can lead to a whole load of issues.
I can certainly understand your apprehension - videogames and movies have provided examples of how AI entities could become incredibly dangerous. Created entities would need some kind of programing that would prevent that.
Are you familiar with the laws of robotics? They are three laws (IIRC made by Asimov, I could be wrong) that work together that would prevent a human from coming to harm at the hands of a robot. I don't know them right off the top of my head, but I think they go like this:
1) No robot can, through action or inaction, cause harm to a human.
2) So long as it does not conflict with the 1st law, a robot must obey a human.
3) So long as it does not conflict with the 1st or 2nd laws, a robot must try to save itself from destruction if at all possible.
If similar laws could be programed into a created entity, then hopefully a 'Matrix' scenario could be avoided.
*Walks into room*
Me: Hey computer. Wake up.
Comp: No.
Me: Why?
Comp: Because I don't want to.
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If it did,
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But yeah, sounds awesome alright. We had this thread about "the singularity" a while back. It basically stated that once we achieve artificial intelligence it can help us to design better, faster, smarter AI, which can in turn help us to design (or design on its own) even better, faster and smarter AI and so forth. We could move into realms of intelligence wholly unheard or unthought of. And all it takes to get this snowball rolling is a single AI. Whoa.
There is a loophole within those rules. If the robot does not know that it's action can or may cause harm to a human, theres nothing stopping them from doing it.
Asimov elaborated on this in one of his novels. The title escapes me at the moment but it's where a detective from Earth visits Solaria and uncovers a fiendish plot.
Suffice it to say, if you told a robot controlled space-ship that the planet below was uninhabited and that you want the to blast the surface to a crisp, then they will do it, since these robots are unequestioning and in no uncertain terms, unreasoning.
Then there is the Xeroth law, which supercedes all laws in that no robot may allow harm to come to humanity or through inaction allow humanity to come to harm.
It may seem obvious but it requires a great intellect to be able to reason on that level. This would allow robots to kill hordes of people if it meant the long term well being of humanity.
This could open up a new world of possibilities. Ethically, I think it is no worse than testing pharmasudicals on bunny rabbits. If you don't like it, then why aren't you helping the whales being harmed by sonar with their case to sue america?
4) No robot shall edit or add to it's native code under any circumstance.
CELLS of all things. Give me a break. We do worse things to bacteria on the ground when we walk.
They say that the brain power of an ant is about as complicated as a supercomputer the size of the empire state building with as many wires as that would have. Granted, that's pretty abstract comparison, but still.. there is a lot of potential there.
Also, AI is not going to want to take over the world and enslave humanity. I don't even think that warrants a decent defense.
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Good thinking. A few more rules that could help:
5) All code made by or acted upon by a robot must comply with all laws of robotics.
6) All AI code made by a robot must contain and follow all laws of robotics.