Extra Servers For Scripters Hackers And Spoiler.
Hannebambel
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5416Banned
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5416Banned
Well I now play this game since 1.00 and it was quite nice most of the time.
But with the introduction of that combat mode and other stuff I somehow have teh feeling that some things do not go as they should.
I remember early debates in the past about people playing skulk switching the bite-animation off somehow or even play in third person view.
Also Rine players used wallhack since it still is better than motion-tracking in game, coz you can see "immobile" aliens then and you need not waste and level up or depend on your commander in order to get it.
Also aimbot for "homing bullets" was a concern, as well as a debate, where it was stated that you can somehow change your own damage and health to your advantage.
Somehow I have the feeling that some of these still occur especially on servers, especially where combat maps are played often or exclusively.
You encounter skulks, which never loose track on you during close in, although the bite animation should somehow hinder their sight to a certain degree.
They can eat more than half of an LMG clip even with not yet having carapace and dealing more damage without focus than me with using it. I once got killed by a non focus skulk with one bite although having full 100 health and level 1 armor upgrade (45).
Also the xenocide, which AFAIK should deal 100 damage to rines seems to deal far more when certain people use it. I got killed by 1 xeno having 100 health and level 2 armor (65). I never killed 4 upgraded rines at ones by xeno, if they have not been damaged before by spores or else.
On the other hand, some rines kill with 1-2 LMG bullets an seem having homing bullets which even hit when you already passed to corners, without having high latency. Also some of them are very sturdy, even taking 4 (non focused) bites and not being resupplied during and they still live on.
There are several other issues, but I do not want to put it up all in here.
The question is if you can still manipulate the game in those ways, then maybe those people doing that should stop spoiling other people´s fun and instead playing on servers dedicated to them.
Also an idea would be that if there is the possibility to use such advantages anybody should be told how to do so, so chances are even again or somebody should really see to it that in an upcoming patch most of these opportunities vanish, coz it is simply spoiling many people´s fun.
But with the introduction of that combat mode and other stuff I somehow have teh feeling that some things do not go as they should.
I remember early debates in the past about people playing skulk switching the bite-animation off somehow or even play in third person view.
Also Rine players used wallhack since it still is better than motion-tracking in game, coz you can see "immobile" aliens then and you need not waste and level up or depend on your commander in order to get it.
Also aimbot for "homing bullets" was a concern, as well as a debate, where it was stated that you can somehow change your own damage and health to your advantage.
Somehow I have the feeling that some of these still occur especially on servers, especially where combat maps are played often or exclusively.
You encounter skulks, which never loose track on you during close in, although the bite animation should somehow hinder their sight to a certain degree.
They can eat more than half of an LMG clip even with not yet having carapace and dealing more damage without focus than me with using it. I once got killed by a non focus skulk with one bite although having full 100 health and level 1 armor upgrade (45).
Also the xenocide, which AFAIK should deal 100 damage to rines seems to deal far more when certain people use it. I got killed by 1 xeno having 100 health and level 2 armor (65). I never killed 4 upgraded rines at ones by xeno, if they have not been damaged before by spores or else.
On the other hand, some rines kill with 1-2 LMG bullets an seem having homing bullets which even hit when you already passed to corners, without having high latency. Also some of them are very sturdy, even taking 4 (non focused) bites and not being resupplied during and they still live on.
There are several other issues, but I do not want to put it up all in here.
The question is if you can still manipulate the game in those ways, then maybe those people doing that should stop spoiling other people´s fun and instead playing on servers dedicated to them.
Also an idea would be that if there is the possibility to use such advantages anybody should be told how to do so, so chances are even again or somebody should really see to it that in an upcoming patch most of these opportunities vanish, coz it is simply spoiling many people´s fun.
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Oh, you weren't joking?
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Managing to attach 'fun' and 'cheating' together at all is rather amusing, imo.
<i>"OLOLOLO, I can pwn n00bs! I am so t3h winnar! Feel the angst, I hate you parents!"</i>
My only advice to anyone who does? For the love of whatever you consider holy, grow up.
- Shockwave
[edit]I re-read your post and I'm still not sure I answered it properly. You're asking people with wallhacks etc. to congregate on servers where everyone has them instead of joining regular servers, yes?
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Managing to attach 'fun' and 'cheating' together at all is rather amusing, imo.
<i>"OLOLOLO, I can pwn n00bs! I am so t3h winnar! Feel the angst, I hate you parents!"</i>
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I assume people who cheat do it for the fun of it? Or maybe they're just bored or want to annoy everyone...
But with the introduction of that combat mode and other stuff I somehow have teh feeling that some things do not go as they should.
1. I remember early debates in the past about people playing skulk switching the bite-animation off somehow or even play in third person view.
2. Also Rine players used wallhack since it still is better than motion-tracking in game, coz you can see "immobile" aliens then and you need not waste and level up or depend on your commander in order to get it.
3. Also aimbot for "homing bullets" was a concern, as well as a debate, where it was stated that you can somehow change your own damage and health to your advantage.
4. Somehow I have the feeling that some of these still occur especially on servers, especially where combat maps are played often or exclusively.
5. You encounter skulks, which never loose track on you during close in, although the bite animation should somehow hinder their sight to a certain degree.
6. They can eat more than half of an LMG clip even with not yet having carapace and dealing more damage without focus than me with using it. I once got killed by a non focus skulk with one bite although having full 100 health and level 1 armor upgrade (45).
Also the xenocide, which AFAIK should deal 100 damage to rines seems to deal far more when certain people use it. I got killed by 1 xeno having 100 health and level 2 armor (65). I never killed 4 upgraded rines at ones by xeno, if they have not been damaged before by spores or else.
On the other hand, some rines kill with 1-2 LMG bullets an seem having homing bullets which even hit when you already passed to corners, without having high latency. Also some of them are very sturdy, even taking 4 (non focused) bites and not being resupplied during and they still live on.
There are several other issues, but I do not want to put it up all in here.
7. The question is if you can still manipulate the game in those ways, then maybe those people doing that should stop spoiling other people´s fun and instead playing on servers dedicated to them.
8. Also an idea would be that if there is the possibility to use such advantages anybody should be told how to do so, so chances are even again or somebody should really see to it that in an upcoming patch most of these opportunities vanish, coz it is simply spoiling many people´s fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From my personmal experience.
1. yea that was in old version, when you could replace weapon textures or use the command drawviewmodel. But now the command is locked and files are checked by contensisty.
2. I dont really bother about that, as long as it is not a really good marine. Most tme a marine will have motion tracking or he heard you.
3. The only way I know to change damage and stuff is to change them as server admin. An aimbot is pretty obvious if you spectate the player in first person.
4. Yea, I just recorded a demo of a cheater a few days ago on a CO_ map (aimbot).
5. As already said, it's very obvious if someone uses an aimbot or not.
6. Thsi is a complitly different topic. These are mostly gamebugs or netcode related problems.
7. I think you misunderstood their intention, they dont want to test out their cheat programms, they want to win with them against other players
8. There is already a thread about different cheats. You can find it here: <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=73623' target='_blank'>http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/in...showtopic=73623</a>
- Shockwave
But with the introduction of that combat mode and other stuff I somehow have teh feeling that some things do not go as they should. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I remember early debates in the past about people playing skulk switching the bite-animation off somehow or even play in third person view.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
impossible afaik.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also Rine players used wallhack since it still is better than motion-tracking in game, coz you can see "immobile" aliens then and you need not waste and level up or depend on your commander in order to get it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
he hacks. ban him from the server (that is, if he really hacks)
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he also hacks. see above.
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impossible. it was a joke, stupidity or soemething else. it'd help if you posted the link.
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of course its possible that people hack on servers, just get c-d to stop the most angsty teens that cant think from their rage, and find some smart admins to deal with any other possible cheaters you might see.
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it is called skill. some skulks do not hold their attack key down while charging at a marine.
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how do you know? also this, and this <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I once got killed by a non focus skulk with one bite although having full 100 health and level 1 armor upgrade (45).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and to a certain extend, this <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Also the xenocide, which AFAIK should deal 100 damage to rines seems to deal far more when certain people use it. I got killed by 1 xeno having 100 health and level 2 armor (65). I never killed 4 upgraded rines at ones by xeno, if they have not been damaged before by spores or else.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> (except that xeno deals more damage than 100) are all related to lag, crappy hit registry, in general <i>a poor server</i>.
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On the other hand, some rines kill with 1-2 LMG bullets an seem having homing bullets which even hit when you already passed to corners, without having high latency. Also some of them are very sturdy, even taking 4 (non focused) bites and not being resupplied during and they still live on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
also belongs in the "reg" area, see above. also, what fps do you usually get? (cl_showfps 1) i'm getting the feeling that you play on 30 fps or lower, that can be the cause you are missing some actions in the game.
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The question is if you can still manipulate the game in those ways, then maybe those people doing that should stop spoiling other people´s fun and instead playing on servers dedicated to them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there are no servers dedicated to cheaters, i mean the point of cheating is to spoil the fun of people that aren't cheating...
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Also an idea would be that if there is the possibility to use such advantages anybody should be told how to do so, so chances are even again or somebody should really see to it that in an upcoming patch most of these opportunities vanish, coz it is simply spoiling many people´s fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there will always be ways to cheat in online games, and there will always be people who take the opportunity... find a good server with smart admins and you will hardly ever if at all see cheaters.
Oh noes.
Seriously. *sigh*
Basically: cheaters exist either because:
-they want to win and aren't good enough. (works in pubs to some limit)
-they think it is cool to **** others off. (ragers)
oh yes, don't take scripters, who merely use the game to the fullest, for cheaters. Especially not here. Especially if you don't want to start a flame war.
Of course those exploits have been fixed.
i know. thats why i said it's impossible (NOW). i couldve mentioned that it was possible back in the day, but i didnt feel telling him that would be of any relevance. and i wanted to make short, accurate replies.
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Other then that, your out of loss.
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today i launched CS again, after 1,5 years of absence and with what am i greeted? a speedhacker =) (though was my own fault, didnt check if c-d was on the server, propably wasn't).
Same, I've seen like 4 speedhackers in my ~1 year of NS, don't think I've ever seen someone I thought was aimbotting or walling.
today i launched CS again, after 1,5 years of absence and with what am i greeted? a speedhacker =) (though was my own fault, didnt check if c-d was on the server, propably wasn't). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be honest, I really don't think posting here saying things like "ive seen a hacker" is going to help you at all. Of course there are hackers! if you wanna get something done, record a demo and show it to someone who can do something about it. ie* server admins.
Also I saw 1 speedhacker in all this time since 1.04. Lucky for me, I saw him again on the same server just 1 day after I got admin. hehe
and btw: in regards to your "server which allows hacks freely"
secure 0 <-
*there are hackers who ruin my fun
*public servers don't use anti-cheating aid
*in earlier versions thing's wern't the same
pardon my french but, what the ****? i'm pretty sure this is all obvious...
like i said before, take a demo, talk to an admin, do something!