<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Are you sure about those numbers?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well im certain of the first, with my knife out and starting ammo i can get a constant speed of around 260 from the default 206.
The second im not sure of as i've never used the script, though i'm sure someone (forlorn?) posted in a topic recently that the speed increase for the scripted wigglewalk was around 150% - again though i'm not sure if this regards the normal script or the _special one.
a_civilianLikes seeing numbersJoin Date: 2003-01-08Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
Scripted wigglewalking achieves a 38% speed boost, at least in my limited testing. The speed boost achieved by manual wigglewalking depends, I suppose, on the rate at which you can alternate strafe directions.
the funny thing is, with this game, if you gave a complete nub wallhack, aimbot, scripts, he would be terrible on aliens and wouldn't know movement tricks well enough to do much better than a vet on marines.
This guy is joking right? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-hawthorne+Nov 16 2004, 10:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hawthorne @ Nov 16 2004, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the funny thing is, with this game, if you gave a complete nub wallhack, aimbot, scripts, he would be terrible on aliens and wouldn't know movement tricks well enough to do much better than a vet on marines. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> and who cares?
<!--QuoteBegin-crypt+Nov 17 2004, 11:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (crypt @ Nov 17 2004, 11:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-hawthorne+Nov 16 2004, 10:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hawthorne @ Nov 16 2004, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the funny thing is, with this game, if you gave a complete nub wallhack, aimbot, scripts, he would be terrible on aliens and wouldn't know movement tricks well enough to do much better than a vet on marines. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and who cares? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> He did obviously.
A skulk at the beginning of the game got shot to hell and barely made it behind the armory which was at full health. Then myself and other players watched and listened as he bit the damn thing at incredable rates, needless to say the armory was gone within a sec and he was banned after.
Another time a marine had an aimbot. It was easily noticable because when this player got jumped by 3 skulks he cycled through each one and whichever was closest got shot even though he wouldnt kill previous one that he was locked onto. Was funny to see the hacker get no kills only because of his hacks.
Yet to find anyone with a wallhack, they are probably the hardest to catch as people are always looking at corners.
In total I have only banned 4-5 people for hacking for the 2 years I've been an ns admin. So I would worry about people cheating.
<!--QuoteBegin-KaMiKaZe!!!+Nov 16 2004, 10:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KaMiKaZe!!! @ Nov 16 2004, 10:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can gain ~10% faster rate of fire depending on your FPS. This works both ways, with your FPS being able to greatly reduce your rate of fire. Unless it is an ultra blatent emptying of an entire clip in a fraction of a second, he probably just has a "better" FPS than you do. I don't mean higher, as some of the most favourable FPS are on the lower end. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have 100FPS almost constantly, so I do not see the problem there.
<!--QuoteBegin-Anderval+Nov 16 2004, 01:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Anderval @ Nov 16 2004, 01:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lmg rate of fire is actually around 15-16 bullets per second...yes the manual is wrong if you use search im sure there are some threads on it.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure, with speedhack!
Even the HMG has not this high cycling rate, which would be 900-960RPM btw. It is placed somewhere at 600. with a 10% FPS boost maybe 660 but that is still far from your expectation.
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+Nov 18 2004, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move @ Nov 18 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Anderval+Nov 16 2004, 01:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Anderval @ Nov 16 2004, 01:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lmg rate of fire is actually around 15-16 bullets per second...yes the manual is wrong if you use search im sure there are some threads on it.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure, with speedhack!
Even the HMG has not this high cycling rate, which would be 900-960RPM btw. It is placed somewhere at 600. with a 10% FPS boost maybe 660 but that is still far from your expectation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sigh.....just no.
I've tested this again to humour you, the average time it takes to empty an lmg clip is between 3 and 3.5 seconds, now, if you divide <b>50</b> by <b>3</b> what do you get? <b>16.67</b> rounds per second. The HMG does in fact have a <b>slower</b> rof than the lmg, though it is slightly higher than the lmg rof stated in the manual <b>the manual is wrong, sorry</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-hawthorne+Nov 16 2004, 10:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hawthorne @ Nov 16 2004, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the funny thing is, with this game, if you gave a complete nub wallhack, aimbot, scripts, he would be terrible on aliens and wouldn't know movement tricks well enough to do much better than a vet on marines. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've used this argument ten thousand times to try to convince people that there's almost no hackers in NS and if they think someone is hacking, they're probably wrong. Guess how many it's convinced...
<!--QuoteBegin-non.compos.mentis+Nov 18 2004, 05:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (non.compos.mentis @ Nov 18 2004, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-hawthorne+Nov 16 2004, 10:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hawthorne @ Nov 16 2004, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the funny thing is, with this game, if you gave a complete nub wallhack, aimbot, scripts, he would be terrible on aliens and wouldn't know movement tricks well enough to do much better than a vet on marines. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've used this argument ten thousand times to try to convince people that there's almost no hackers in NS and if they think someone is hacking, they're probably wrong. Guess how many it's convinced... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It must be working because all the hackusations I've seen has been turned into scriptcusations. Hack blamers have migrated to script blaming, from my experience on various public servers.
I dunno. I pub on BS_0 servers a lot and go all out, and not many people say anything. I think one person said "nice scripts hurr" but that was it. Obviously I'm not trolling hard enough.
The problem with the argument that a nub with all the hacks except maybe speed would be a terrible alien and around veteran level on marine is that it's not really a good one. The reason it isn't good is because it's not really a situation anyone cares about. Some newb with hacks won't ever be recruited.
I groan and laugh at hackusation threads like the rest of them, but I'm naturally paranoid too. When you really know how to play this game, you don't need more than a little outside help to make your game perfect while still believable. THAT is the issue being discussed. This whole argument involving newbs with hacks is irrelevant. :l
Anyway I'm sure nobody I'll ever meet haxxxxx, at least not competitively. Otherwise there's that risk of so watched an event being noticed by all. It's just that I want my no-hax gaming experience to be 24/7, not just when I'm on the clock with my clan.
<!--QuoteBegin-crisano+Nov 18 2004, 10:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (crisano @ Nov 18 2004, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It must be working because all the hackusations I've seen has been turned into scriptcusations. Hack blamers have migrated to script blaming, from my experience on various public servers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Simple!
I've tested this again to humour you, the average time it takes to empty an lmg clip is between 3 and 3.5 seconds, now, if you divide <b>50</b> by <b>3</b> what do you get? <b>16.67</b> rounds per second. The HMG does in fact have a <b>slower</b> rof than the lmg, though it is slightly higher than the lmg rof stated in the manual <b>the manual is wrong, sorry</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Then tell me, if the LMG is so fast, why does it often take me 2,5 seconds to kill a skulk right in front of me and in my CH?
<!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+Nov 19 2004, 12:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Nov 19 2004, 12:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The problem with the argument that a nub with all the hacks except maybe speed would be a terrible alien and around veteran level on marine is that it's not really a good one. The reason it isn't good is because it's not really a situation anyone cares about. Some newb with hacks won't ever be recruited.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Never thought that not only noobs might use hax, but some skilled players as well to boost their ratings to insane heights?
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+Nov 19 2004, 10:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move @ Nov 19 2004, 10:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-crisano+Nov 18 2004, 10:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (crisano @ Nov 18 2004, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It must be working because all the hackusations I've seen has been turned into scriptcusations. Hack blamers have migrated to script blaming, from my experience on various public servers. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Simple!
Scripting = Cheating<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The fact that the developers only put in a way to choose whether to block scripts or not, instead of totally blocking them might, just <i><u><b>might</b></u></i> be an indication that they do not see scripts as a form of cheating. Even thought it is not them who plays the game, but us, I feel that it adds some weight to the arguement that scripts indeed are <i>not</i> a form of cheating.
But hell, I might be way off, even though I play with both competetive players that despises scripts and those who embraces them without noticing a difference in ability to play the game. Sometimes I even play with people who refuses to use the mousewheel as well, and they can still compete.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then tell me, if the LMG is so fast, why does it often take me 2,5 seconds to kill a skulk right in front of me and in my CH?
Do I shoot with blanks or what?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd say that would be a mild case of bad aim actually.
Anyway, a decently practiced player could easily come up with the ultimate way of getting a tonne of kills early game as marine. Just stand in some corridor near the double res node and let the skulks rush you (which they will do on a public server).
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
Maybe instead of going out and calling people cheaters, you could actually focus more on playing the game and having fun, and instead of blaming your deaths on cheats/scripts/hacks/angry grandmothers, try to do crazy things like learning from your mistakes, practicing and improving at the game.
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Nov 19 2004, 10:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Nov 19 2004, 10:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe instead of going out and calling people cheaters, you could actually focus more on playing the game and having fun, and instead of blaming your deaths on cheats/scripts/hacks/angry grandmothers, try to do crazy things like learning from your mistakes, practicing and improving at the game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Angry grandmothers can be very vicious ingame, especially with their trusty canes.
As for learning from mistakes, practicing, etc., most people who scream out blind accusations of cheating and hacking usually want to take the easy way out, a shortcut. They pray and hope that somehow the game will get dumbed down to their level so that they don't have to acquire the necessary skills needed to compete against better players. There will always be people like that in gaming communities, like NS and CS. "If you can't beat'em, accuse'em!"
the move is one of the best trolls I've seen lately <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Nov 19 2004, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Nov 19 2004, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe instead of going out and calling people cheaters, you could actually focus more on playing the game and having fun, and instead of blaming your deaths on cheats/scripts/hacks/angry grandmothers, try to do crazy things like learning from your mistakes, practicing and improving at the game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm going to bind that to a key so I can use it in-game. Sheer brilliance.
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+Nov 19 2004, 10:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move @ Nov 19 2004, 10:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+Nov 19 2004, 12:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Nov 19 2004, 12:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The problem with the argument that a nub with all the hacks except maybe speed would be a terrible alien and around veteran level on marine is that it's not really a good one. The reason it isn't good is because it's not really a situation anyone cares about. Some newb with hacks won't ever be recruited.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Never thought that not only noobs might use hax, but some skilled players as well to boost their ratings to insane heights?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SWIFT IDIOT (ME)+MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SWIFT IDIOT (ME) @ MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I groan and laugh at hackusation threads like the rest of them, but I'm naturally paranoid too. <i><b>When you really know how to play this game, you don't need more than a little outside help to make your game perfect while still believable. THAT is the issue being discussed. This whole argument involving newbs with hacks is irrelevant.</i></b> :l<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>READ WHAT I F____NG WRITE YOU ADOLESCENT, I F____NG ITALICIZED THE IMPORTANT PART YOU MISSED. IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN F____NG READ IT THE FIRST TIME. WHY DO I GET OUT OF BED FOR THIS?</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+Nov 19 2004, 06:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Nov 19 2004, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SWIFT IDIOT (ME)+MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SWIFT IDIOT (ME) @ MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I groan and laugh at hackusation threads like the rest of them, but I'm naturally paranoid too. <i><b>When you really know how to play this game, you don't need more than a little outside help to make your game perfect while still believable. THAT is the issue being discussed. This whole argument involving newbs with hacks is irrelevant.</i></b> :l<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>READ WHAT I F____NG WRITE YOU ADOLESCENT, I F____NG ITALICIZED THE IMPORTANT PART YOU MISSED. IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN F____NG READ IT THE FIRST TIME. WHY DO I GET OUT OF BED FOR THIS?</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh snap son.
<!--QuoteBegin-Wither+Nov 19 2004, 01:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wither @ Nov 19 2004, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+Nov 19 2004, 06:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Nov 19 2004, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SWIFT IDIOT (ME)+MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SWIFT IDIOT (ME) @ MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I groan and laugh at hackusation threads like the rest of them, but I'm naturally paranoid too. <i><b>When you really know how to play this game, you don't need more than a little outside help to make your game perfect while still believable. THAT is the issue being discussed. This whole argument involving newbs with hacks is irrelevant.</i></b> :l<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>READ WHAT I F____NG WRITE YOU ADOLESCENT, I F____NG ITALICIZED THE IMPORTANT PART YOU MISSED. IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN F____NG READ IT THE FIRST TIME. WHY DO I GET OUT OF BED FOR THIS?</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh snap son. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hot damn, there's some heat in those words!
<!--QuoteBegin-crisano+Nov 19 2004, 01:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (crisano @ Nov 19 2004, 01:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Wither+Nov 19 2004, 01:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wither @ Nov 19 2004, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+Nov 19 2004, 06:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Nov 19 2004, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SWIFT IDIOT (ME)+MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SWIFT IDIOT (ME) @ MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I groan and laugh at hackusation threads like the rest of them, but I'm naturally paranoid too. <i><b>When you really know how to play this game, you don't need more than a little outside help to make your game perfect while still believable. THAT is the issue being discussed. This whole argument involving newbs with hacks is irrelevant.</i></b> :l<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>READ WHAT I F____NG WRITE YOU ADOLESCENT, I F____NG ITALICIZED THE IMPORTANT PART YOU MISSED. IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN F____NG READ IT THE FIRST TIME. WHY DO I GET OUT OF BED FOR THIS?</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh snap son. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hot damn, there's some heat in those words! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Someone takes games too seriously <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The fact that the developers only put in a way to choose whether to block scripts or not, instead of totally blocking them might, just <i><u><b>might</b></u></i> be an indication that they do not see scripts as a form of cheating. Even thought it is not them who plays the game, but us, I feel that it adds some weight to the arguement that scripts indeed are <i>not</i> a form of cheating.
But hell, I might be way off, even though I play with both competetive players that despises scripts and those who embraces them without noticing a difference in ability to play the game. Sometimes I even play with people who refuses to use the mousewheel as well, and they can still compete.
I'd say that would be a mild case of bad aim actually.
Anyway, a decently practiced player could easily come up with the ultimate way of getting a tonne of kills early game as marine. Just stand in some corridor near the double res node and let the skulks rush you (which they will do on a public server). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Everything, which can not be set within the normal options menu is cheating. Why can´t people teh game as it was meant to be played Fullstop!
Bad Aim? The Skulk was [B]right in the middle[/B) of my CH. Bad Aim? Jesus, think again before talking ****!
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- Scripted wigglewalking (150% boost(?) )<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you sure about those numbers?
well im certain of the first, with my knife out and starting ammo i can get a constant speed of around 260 from the default 206.
The second im not sure of as i've never used the script, though i'm sure someone (forlorn?) posted in a topic recently that the speed increase for the scripted wigglewalk was around 150% - again though i'm not sure if this regards the normal script or the _special one.
and who cares?
and who cares? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He did obviously.
A skulk at the beginning of the game got shot to hell and barely made it behind the armory which was at full health. Then myself and other players watched and listened as he bit the damn thing at incredable rates, needless to say the armory was gone within a sec and he was banned after.
Another time a marine had an aimbot. It was easily noticable because when this player got jumped by 3 skulks he cycled through each one and whichever was closest got shot even though he wouldnt kill previous one that he was locked onto. Was funny to see the hacker get no kills only because of his hacks.
Yet to find anyone with a wallhack, they are probably the hardest to catch as people are always looking at corners.
In total I have only banned 4-5 people for hacking for the 2 years I've been an ns admin. So I would worry about people cheating.
You can gain ~10% faster rate of fire depending on your FPS. This works both ways, with your FPS being able to greatly reduce your rate of fire. Unless it is an ultra blatent emptying of an entire clip in a fraction of a second, he probably just has a "better" FPS than you do. I don't mean higher, as some of the most favourable FPS are on the lower end. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have 100FPS almost constantly, so I do not see the problem there.
lmg rate of fire is actually around 15-16 bullets per second...yes the manual is wrong if you use search im sure there are some threads on it.
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Sure, with speedhack!
Even the HMG has not this high cycling rate, which would be 900-960RPM btw. It is placed somewhere at 600. with a 10% FPS boost maybe 660 but that is still far from your expectation.
lmg rate of fire is actually around 15-16 bullets per second...yes the manual is wrong if you use search im sure there are some threads on it.
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Sure, with speedhack!
Even the HMG has not this high cycling rate, which would be 900-960RPM btw. It is placed somewhere at 600. with a 10% FPS boost maybe 660 but that is still far from your expectation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
sigh.....just no.
I've tested this again to humour you, the average time it takes to empty an lmg clip is between 3 and 3.5 seconds, now, if you divide <b>50</b> by <b>3</b> what do you get? <b>16.67</b> rounds per second. The HMG does in fact have a <b>slower</b> rof than the lmg, though it is slightly higher than the lmg rof stated in the manual <b>the manual is wrong, sorry</b>
I've used this argument ten thousand times to try to convince people that there's almost no hackers in NS and if they think someone is hacking, they're probably wrong. Guess how many it's convinced...
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It must be working because all the hackusations I've seen has been turned into scriptcusations. Hack blamers have migrated to script blaming, from my experience on various public servers.
Yeah...
The problem with the argument that a nub with all the hacks except maybe speed would be a terrible alien and around veteran level on marine is that it's not really a good one. The reason it isn't good is because it's not really a situation anyone cares about. Some newb with hacks won't ever be recruited.
I groan and laugh at hackusation threads like the rest of them, but I'm naturally paranoid too. When you really know how to play this game, you don't need more than a little outside help to make your game perfect while still believable. THAT is the issue being discussed. This whole argument involving newbs with hacks is irrelevant. :l
Anyway I'm sure nobody I'll ever meet haxxxxx, at least not competitively. Otherwise there's that risk of so watched an event being noticed by all. It's just that I want my no-hax gaming experience to be 24/7, not just when I'm on the clock with my clan.
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It must be working because all the hackusations I've seen has been turned into scriptcusations. Hack blamers have migrated to script blaming, from my experience on various public servers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Simple!
Scripting = Cheating
I've tested this again to humour you, the average time it takes to empty an lmg clip is between 3 and 3.5 seconds, now, if you divide <b>50</b> by <b>3</b> what do you get? <b>16.67</b> rounds per second. The HMG does in fact have a <b>slower</b> rof than the lmg, though it is slightly higher than the lmg rof stated in the manual <b>the manual is wrong, sorry</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then tell me, if the LMG is so fast, why does it often take me 2,5 seconds to kill a skulk right in front of me and in my CH?
Do I shoot with blanks or what?
Something isn´t right here for sure.
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Never thought that not only noobs might use hax, but some skilled players as well to boost their ratings to insane heights?
It must be working because all the hackusations I've seen has been turned into scriptcusations. Hack blamers have migrated to script blaming, from my experience on various public servers. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Simple!
Scripting = Cheating<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The fact that the developers only put in a way to choose whether to block scripts or not, instead of totally blocking them might, just <i><u><b>might</b></u></i> be an indication that they do not see scripts as a form of cheating. Even thought it is not them who plays the game, but us, I feel that it adds some weight to the arguement that scripts indeed are <i>not</i> a form of cheating.
But hell, I might be way off, even though I play with both competetive players that despises scripts and those who embraces them without noticing a difference in ability to play the game. Sometimes I even play with people who refuses to use the mousewheel as well, and they can still compete.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then tell me, if the LMG is so fast, why does it often take me 2,5 seconds to kill a skulk right in front of me and in my CH?
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I'd say that would be a mild case of bad aim actually.
Anyway, a decently practiced player could easily come up with the ultimate way of getting a tonne of kills early game as marine. Just stand in some corridor near the double res node and let the skulks rush you (which they will do on a public server).
Angry grandmothers can be very vicious ingame, especially with their trusty canes.
As for learning from mistakes, practicing, etc., most people who scream out blind accusations of cheating and hacking usually want to take the easy way out, a shortcut. They pray and hope that somehow the game will get dumbed down to their level so that they don't have to acquire the necessary skills needed to compete against better players. There will always be people like that in gaming communities, like NS and CS. "If you can't beat'em, accuse'em!"
I'm going to bind that to a key so I can use it in-game. Sheer brilliance.
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Never thought that not only noobs might use hax, but some skilled players as well to boost their ratings to insane heights?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SWIFT IDIOT (ME)+MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SWIFT IDIOT (ME) @ MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDNT READ, TWO LINES DOWN FROM THE PART YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO QUOTE)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I groan and laugh at hackusation threads like the rest of them, but I'm naturally paranoid too. <i><b>When you really know how to play this game, you don't need more than a little outside help to make your game perfect while still believable. THAT is the issue being discussed. This whole argument involving newbs with hacks is irrelevant.</i></b> :l<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>READ WHAT I F____NG WRITE YOU ADOLESCENT, I F____NG ITALICIZED THE IMPORTANT PART YOU MISSED. IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN F____NG READ IT THE FIRST TIME. WHY DO I GET OUT OF BED FOR THIS?</b>
<b>READ WHAT I F____NG WRITE YOU ADOLESCENT, I F____NG ITALICIZED THE IMPORTANT PART YOU MISSED. IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN F____NG READ IT THE FIRST TIME. WHY DO I GET OUT OF BED FOR THIS?</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh snap son.
<b>READ WHAT I F____NG WRITE YOU ADOLESCENT, I F____NG ITALICIZED THE IMPORTANT PART YOU MISSED. IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN F____NG READ IT THE FIRST TIME. WHY DO I GET OUT OF BED FOR THIS?</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh snap son. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hot damn, there's some heat in those words!
<b>READ WHAT I F____NG WRITE YOU ADOLESCENT, I F____NG ITALICIZED THE IMPORTANT PART YOU MISSED. IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN F____NG READ IT THE FIRST TIME. WHY DO I GET OUT OF BED FOR THIS?</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh snap son. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hot damn, there's some heat in those words! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Someone takes games too seriously <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The fact that the developers only put in a way to choose whether to block scripts or not, instead of totally blocking them might, just <i><u><b>might</b></u></i> be an indication that they do not see scripts as a form of cheating. Even thought it is not them who plays the game, but us, I feel that it adds some weight to the arguement that scripts indeed are <i>not</i> a form of cheating.
But hell, I might be way off, even though I play with both competetive players that despises scripts and those who embraces them without noticing a difference in ability to play the game. Sometimes I even play with people who refuses to use the mousewheel as well, and they can still compete.
I'd say that would be a mild case of bad aim actually.
Anyway, a decently practiced player could easily come up with the ultimate way of getting a tonne of kills early game as marine. Just stand in some corridor near the double res node and let the skulks rush you (which they will do on a public server). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Everything, which can not be set within the normal options menu is cheating.
Why can´t people teh game as it was meant to be played Fullstop!
Bad Aim? The Skulk was [B]right in the middle[/B) of my CH. Bad Aim?
Jesus, think again before talking ****!