Well, to make my point clear and hopefully tear the suspicions of the other humans apart (of course not of the wolves brute and freak who will still argue against me, as predicted i will post the log from my conversation with Zero today, where we discussed our strategies (wich aren´t applicable right now, so i can make them public) i made my concerns and tried to gain his trust. YES; TAHT IS RIGHT, I TRIED TO GAIN HIS TRUST, since we hums have to trust each other to archieve anything!, so here it goes, sorry tha its rather longish: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[11:45] <ZeroByte> hey, I just posted something on the forum [11:47] <ZeroByte> I am choosing you as a random person but if I die because of my vote change, could you please let people know that I am quite positive brute is a human and that I *think* sky (not very sure on this) is human too? [11:48] <ZeroByte> I am going to be posting this to your PM too, just in case gamesurge is being a wonk [11:48] <Pithlit> i hear you [11:48] <Pithlit> no prob [11:49] <Pithlit> but after the board you didnt vote for me but for docchimpy [11:50] <Pithlit> confusing [11:50] <ZeroByte> well all you were doing were standing in the sidelines [11:51] <ZeroByte> you were not exactly being inactive [11:52] <ZeroByte> also, even at the risk of you getting phantomvoted, you have not jumped on any bandwagons so... [11:55] <Pithlit> no, i don´t understand, why you are writing me this, even if you dont vote for me [11:57] <Pithlit> you voted for DOCCHIMPY not for me [11:57] <Pithlit> and one thing [11:57] <Pithlit> why do you think that brute force is human? [11:58] <Pithlit> i had the exact different oppinion, i thought he could be the wolf [11:58] <Pithlit> from some of his sayings yesterday [11:58] <ZeroByte> when I told the channel about my suspicions of the inactive people [11:58] <ZeroByte> he contacted me [11:59] <ZeroByte> hrmmm [11:59] <ZeroByte> wait. [11:59] <ZeroByte> okay, no, gimme the reasons for your suspicion first [11:59] <ZeroByte> my changing my vote for chrono changes my whole dynamic [11:59] <ZeroByte> err thingy [12:00] <Pithlit> sorry, i didnt saved the log, my bad, but as i said, it was olny a susspicion, no proof, thats why i didn´t voted its, very vague, yet [12:00] <Pithlit> thats why i was confused that you said you were sure that he was human [12:00] <Pithlit> you must have some sort of proof [12:01] <ZeroByte> I was worried he was the wolf in IRC at first when chrono showed up [12:01] <ZeroByte> he contacted me to ask who I was going to vote [12:01] <ZeroByte> I told him chrono so he said he'll go along with me [12:02] <ZeroByte> he was the only one I who I would specifically vote for [12:02] <ZeroByte> so chrono appearing 2 hours afterwards worried me [12:02] <ZeroByte> but when he went ahead with his vote, I was reassured he was human [12:02] <Pithlit> why does he has to ask you who you would vote for? [12:03] <Pithlit> if hes a wolf he knows that you are human [12:03] <Pithlit> but why does he need to know who you are going to vote for? [12:03] <Pithlit> the only thing i would imagine, is that he is a wolf, but tries to get a human instalynched [12:04] <Pithlit> so he asks you who you are going to vote for [12:04] <Pithlit> is you say the name of another human [12:04] <Pithlit> he agrees and follows you, helping his king, but not starting a dangerous vote by himself [12:04] <Pithlit> so making himself not suspicious [12:04] <ZeroByte> good point [12:04] <Pithlit> but if you would vote for a wolf [12:05] <ZeroByte> my line of thinking is that he wanted to warn the inactive wolves if I was going to start a vote against them and get them to become active again [12:05] <Pithlit> he could have said that he is sure he is human and maybe even produced some fake proof that what he said is true [12:05] <Pithlit> like some secret conversion, like the one we have [12:05] <ZeroByte> but if he *is* a wolf, your logic does make it seem like he is wolfish [12:05] <Pithlit> so he could change your vote of from a wolf and to a human [12:06] <ZeroByte> you know, woned might actually be the perfect person to pull off the inactive wolf thing [12:06] <Pithlit> but whats the point of being inactive? [12:07] <ZeroByte> he doesn't know many people so his absence in IRC could be explained away [12:07] <Pithlit> humans have to get together to kill the wolves efectively [12:07] <Pithlit> they have to trust eachother[12:07] <ZeroByte> the NS TWG people don't like voting for inactive people [12:07] <ZeroByte> it screwed them early in the first TWG [12:07] <Pithlit> if the wolves would be inactive they would stand out and be easily killed [12:07] <Pithlit> it didnt [12:07] <Pithlit> i was in the first twg [12:07] <Pithlit> and we killed the inactives first [12:08] <ZeroByte> well.. it got humans killed [12:08] <Pithlit> and they were all human [12:08] <Pithlit> we got our first wolf (out of 3) very late in the game [12:08] <ZeroByte> unnecessarily [12:08] <Pithlit> we knew afterwards [12:08] <Pithlit> since our psychic told us [12:08] <Pithlit> so our first 3 or so instalynches because of inactivity killed humans [12:09] <Pithlit> we even killed our guardian [12:09] <Pithlit> self with instalynch [12:10] <ZeroByte> it did set a pattern of not voting for inactive people though [12:10] <ZeroByte> I noticed that in the 2nd TWG [12:10] <ZeroByte> if you were a wolf you could use that to slip past the first voting [12:10] <ZeroByte> so there is less risk [12:11] <Pithlit> but another thing is, there are 4 wolves and 7 humans out there [12:11] <Pithlit> he have one inactive [12:11] <Pithlit> and just by chance that he is lazy [12:11] <Pithlit> if you now vote him of its just 4/15 that he is a wolf [12:12] <Pithlit> just by this mere chance you should se that it has immense risk [12:12] <Pithlit> and if we kill other humans this early in the game it is a huge loss later on [12:13] <ZeroByte> I have no other things to base this upon and no one is really showing me anything that has some logic related to it [12:14] <ZeroByte> so I thnk my vote is still better than going for crapshoot and voting randomly [12:15] <ZeroByte> hold on posting that brute is a human if I die then [12:15] <ZeroByte> because now I am not sure [12:16] <ZeroByte> so you have no ideas on who might be the wolf? [12:17] <Pithlit> well,a s i said, i am suspicious about brute, but i have no other points by now [12:18] <Pithlit> one question, was Freak83 in the last twg? [12:18] <ZeroByte> no, he ran the last two TWGs [12:19] <Pithlit> well, that makes him suspicious, too, after his post where he votes on you [12:19] <Pithlit> Good point about not having a PC. If he's using your explained inactivity as an excuse for being a wolf it makes me wonder about him. I change my vote to ZeroByte, sorry but Gwahir and Isamil's situation has basically been IRC lag by the sounds of it. My newest suspicien lies here. [12:19] <Pithlit> since he ran the last two, he knows that the wolves tried to evade being voted of by being inactive [12:20] <Pithlit> and after what you said, it did work, right? [12:20] <Pithlit> no he completly irgnores your argument and turns his against you [12:21] <Pithlit> after his knowledge, how can he turn this (from the last game) valid argument against you?, he is even proposing that you are a wolf [12:22] <ZeroByte> I wasn't even considering freak [12:22] <Pithlit> Chrono just voted for you bevcause you voted for him, that normal, weve seen this alredy some times and i would put anything in this [12:22] <ZeroByte> yeah, the chrono thing I can't hold against him [12:22] <Pithlit> but then again another person comes (second vote, just like brute), votes on the same person aswell [12:23] <Pithlit> but additionally proposing that you are a wolf, with ridiculus arguments [12:23] <Pithlit> i would say thats rather susspicious [12:23] <Pithlit> how you think about it [12:23] <Pithlit> ? [12:24] <ZeroByte> wait [12:25] <ZeroByte> **** >_< [12:25] <ZeroByte> I count stuff bad [12:25] <ZeroByte> snidely voted for Chrono too [12:25] <ZeroByte> so me, chrono, doc and snide [12:25] <ZeroByte> that is 4 votes [12:25] <ZeroByte> changing mine being 3 on 3, not 2 on 3[12:26] <Pithlit> chrono votet for you [12:26] <Pithlit> not for himself [12:26] <ZeroByte> chrono = brute [12:26] <ZeroByte> soz >_< [12:26] <Pithlit> ok [12:26] <ZeroByte> lack of sleep [12:27] <ZeroByte> Freak accusing me of wolvishness [12:27] <ZeroByte> it may just be their timezones but they posted that with only 15 minutes time difference [12:27] <Pithlit> where did doc vote for chrono? [12:28] <Pithlit> i doent see that [12:28] <ZeroByte> woned pointed it out [12:28] <ZeroByte> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89050&view=findpost&p=1397660' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....dpost&p=1397660</a> [12:29] <ZeroByte> *checks timezones* [12:29] <Pithlit> oh, i oversaw it aswell [12:29] <Pithlit> well, i think chrono is clear [12:29] <Pithlit> for hte points i said [12:29] <ZeroByte> actually freak doesn't have a good reason for voting me [12:30] <Pithlit> exactly [12:30] <ZeroByte> at least he could have let me make a rebuttal [12:30] <Pithlit> thats why i suspise him and brute [12:30] <Pithlit> Gwahir is 50/50 [12:30] <ZeroByte> who did freak vote first? [12:31] <ZeroByte> isma or gwa? [12:31] <Pithlit> gwahir [12:31] <Pithlit> that would make him clean aswell [12:31] <Pithlit> good point [12:31] <Pithlit> it would be intersting to know if we began voting on brute [12:32] <ZeroByte> we better come up with a proper tally first [12:32] <Pithlit> assuming that he is the wolf, the other wolfes might change their votes over to you [12:32] <Pithlit> protecting their pal [12:32] <Pithlit> assuming that you have currently 1 wolf vote and 2 human ones against yourself [12:33] <Pithlit> we would have 3 more votes that could be laid on you without reason [12:33] <Pithlit> so if we come up with a good point to vote for brute [12:33] <Pithlit> we could avoid other humans voting for you [12:33] <Pithlit> isolationg the wolves [12:33] <ZeroByte> I think they could cook up oversuspicion as a reason to vote for me [12:34] <ZeroByte> although that can be easily rebutted [12:34] <Pithlit> well, i would vote on brute first [12:34] <Pithlit> you dont have to take the first vote [12:34] <Pithlit> but since youre the one with the more votes, the wolves would attack you [12:34] <ZeroByte> are you in contact with anyone else? [12:34] <Pithlit> they could get you instalynched [12:34] <Pithlit> and that would be bad [12:35] <ZeroByte> coordinating stuff? [12:35] <Pithlit> because of that we should really have a good argument [12:35] <Pithlit> we could use this log, but snipping the parts, that are about the tatics of the wolves [12:36] <Pithlit> i know its a little like cheating, but otherwise they would know whtat we plan [12:37] <Pithlit> its the best idea i have right now [12:37] <ZeroByte> hang on, I'm tallying the votes as of now [12:40] <Pithlit> i think we could try to take sky into the plan [12:40] <Pithlit> after what he has said yet, i could believe him, that he is human [12:42] <ZeroByte> yeah, I believe he is human too [12:43] <ZeroByte> I don't think I have influence over him yet although I did mention to him my suspicions of brute [12:43] <ZeroByte> so that is a possible leverage[12:44] <Pithlit> well, again we could show him this log (without the snipping of course), although its a risk, i would say its minimal [12:44] <ZeroByte> Zerobyte - 3 (gwahir, freak83, chrono) [12:44] <ZeroByte> docchimpy - 2 (zerobyte, won) [12:44] <ZeroByte> chrono - 3 (snidely, docchimpy, brute force) [12:44] <ZeroByte> ismail - 2 (hellfire3k, sky) [12:44] <ZeroByte> snidely - 1 (condizzle) [12:44] <ZeroByte> gwahir - 1 (lolfighter) [12:44] <ZeroByte> non voters: ismail, pithlit, mouse [12:44] <Pithlit> mouse has voted on sky [12:45] <ZeroByte> he has? [12:45] <ZeroByte> bleh [12:45] <Pithlit> first post [12:46] <Pithlit> without reason (he says to start the game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->), but i don´think you have to vote for someone to start the game [12:47] <ZeroByte> btw, how am I supposed to know that this isn't really an elaborate ruse to make me start going for brute ;P [12:47] <Pithlit> well IF i would be a wolf [12:48] <Pithlit> it would be rather dumb NOW trying to kill a human wich has no votes against him by now [12:48] <ZeroByte> true, true [12:48] <Pithlit> and beginning to gather votes with one of the most endangered people [12:50] <Pithlit> well, im writing sky now a PM that he should join the channel, so we can talk about it [12:52] <Pithlit> how long are you going to be online? [12:52] <Pithlit> i have to go to college soon (but only for some marks, and will be back in 2 h) [12:53] <Pithlit> so if sky comes sooner, that at least one of us is here [12:53] <ZeroByte> uhm, I'll be here for an hour or so more [12:53] <ZeroByte> but I'll return in say 4 hours [12:54] <ZeroByte> I'll try to work out the people a bit more [12:56] <Pithlit> ok [12:56] <Pithlit> i have sent him the message [12:56] <Pithlit> no ide when he comes online [12:56] <Pithlit> so im breaking of now so i can be back as soon as possible [12:57] <Pithlit> and after im back im going to vote on brute [12:57] <Pithlit> could you snip the log until then so we can use it as a proof? [12:58] <ZeroByte> okay [12:58] <ZeroByte> I'll PM it to you later [12:59] <Pithlit> thanks [12:59] <Pithlit> but since the argument is coming from me, its rather dumb if i post it as proof [12:59] <Pithlit> that way it seems more made up [13:00] <Pithlit> if you voted first and posted it it would surly more compromising to the other humans, since it would show that you believed me [13:09] <ZeroByte> okay, so brute seems to be following my votes [13:10] <ZeroByte> man, I'm going to go sit down with *graphs* * Logging ZeroByte to 'logs\ZeroByte.GameSurge.log'[16:05] <ZeroByte> snidely picked up of freak83's unjustified vote against me [16:05] <ZeroByte> he will probably vote freak83 on the next round [16:13] <ZeroByte> snidely is putting out feelers on brute [16:19] <Pithlit> uhuh [16:19] <Pithlit> so what shall we do now? [16:20] <Pithlit> should we start a vote against brute? [16:20] <ZeroByte> I don't feel comfortable about starting a vote against brute yet [16:21] <ZeroByte> what did he say that made you suspicious of him? [16:21] <ZeroByte> if not specifics then at least a summary [16:24] <Pithlit> i was discussing some tactics yesterday with some other people how we could try to identify wolves and/or make use of the special people among us [16:25] <Pithlit> and he was always making partly even irrational counterarguments why they wouldnt work [16:25] <Pithlit> and was suggesting that i´m a wolf, because i was suggesting these, so i could bind humans to my person [16:26] <Pithlit> well, as i said, for someone i didn´t know, and he me neither, he was making up totally obstruse things and causing paranoia [16:28] <Pithlit> and i for myself found such unreasonable behavior (for the case, that he is human) on the beginning of the first day completly unnecessary [16:28] <Pithlit> and unwanted for the human cause [16:28] <Pithlit> that made him suspicious to me [16:28] <ZeroByte> hmmm I see [16:29] <ZeroByte> I could fabricate a reason [22:03] <ZeroByte> sorry, needed ot sleep, currently 4:57 right now <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> [22:04] <Pithlit> no prob [22:04] <Pithlit> i´m curently trying to safe you by voting for ismail [22:05] <Pithlit> but now the others find nme suspicious [22:05] <Pithlit> especially Brute_force and freak ^^ [22:05] <Pithlit> its just as i thought [22:06] <Pithlit> now im pretty sure that they are wolves [22:06] <Pithlit> and i think witht he vote against ismail we´re doing th right thing [22:07] <Pithlit> if you´d changed your vote for him, too he is surly going to be dead [22:08] <Pithlit> after what they said, i fear that the wolves will be trying to kill me next day ,not wolfing me at night, so it isn´t as suspicios to the others [22:09] <ZeroByte> hmm.. brute might be pimping ismail.. [22:09] <ZeroByte> what he said on the channel [22:09] <Pithlit> mom [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> Pithlit just voted for me giving me the most votes because "He didn't want Zerobyte to be killed right now" [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> (I voted for Zerobyte by the way) [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <slackykingofgorges> yeah thats so suspicous [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <slackykingofgorges> it seriously looks like he is a wolf at the moment [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> He's acting really wierd [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> But I do feel Zerobyte is sucpicious [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <[sA]Freak83> pithlit? [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> I meen, he's saying blah is a wolf for reasons I don't have to explain [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <[sA]Freak83> that's a bit odd [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> But I meen [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> He's either a really stupid wolf, or just being wierd [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <brute_force|away> hmm [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <brute_force|away> he does act really weird [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> I'm not going to be voting for him though... [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <brute_force|away> maybe we should keep an eye on him >_> [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> Staying with Zerobyte [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <[sA]Freak83> i thought you or gwahir was a wolf until i realized the whole argument thing between you guys was just IRC lag [22:10] <Pithlit> i hate it i get disconnected if i post to much at one <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> Pithlit just voted for me giving me the most votes because "He didn't want Zerobyte to be killed right now" [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> (I voted for Zerobyte by the way) [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <slackykingofgorges> yeah thats so suspicous [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <slackykingofgorges> it seriously looks like he is a wolf at the moment [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> He's acting really wierd [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> But I do feel Zerobyte is sucpicious [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <[sA]Freak83> pithlit? [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> I meen, he's saying blah is a wolf for reasons I don't have to explain [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <[sA]Freak83> that's a bit odd [22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> But I meen [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> He's either a really stupid wolf, or just being wierd [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:44] <brute_force|away> hmm [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <brute_force|away> he does act really weird [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> I'm not going to be voting for him though... [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <brute_force|away> maybe we should keep an eye on him >_> [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> Staying with Zerobyte [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <[sA]Freak83> i thought you or gwahir was a wolf until i realized the whole argument thing between you guys was just IRC lag [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> Yeah...that was odd [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <[sA]Freak83> so i changed my vote [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> To Zerobyte [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> Who I voted for [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:46] <Isamil> However I have the most votes now as of Pithlit's vote [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:46] <[sA]Freak83> i wish renegade would provide a voting chart now and then like i did [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:46] <Isamil> Someone else was doing it [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:46] <brute_force|away> I might vote for pithlit the next day, but I guess it also depends on what comes up during the day, and also who gets wolfed/lynched [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:47] * brute_force|away is away again [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> Zerobyte - 3 (gwahir, freak83, isamil) [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> chrono - 2 (snidely, docchimpy) [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> docchimpy - 3 (zerobyte, won,brute force) [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> ismail - 4 (hellfire3k, sky, chrono, pithlit) [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> snidely - 1 (condizzle) [22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> gwahir - 1 (lolfighter) [22:11] <ZeroByte> [04:58] <brute_force> Isamil, do you need help or anything? I mean, I'm pretty sure you're a human and all... [22:12] <Pithlit> exactly [22:13] <Pithlit> so please vote for isamil, too [23:00] <ZeroByte> are you there? [23:50] <Pit|clanwar> yes Session Close: Tue Mar 01 01:12:14 2005<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, that was my statement for today, sorry that i couldn´t cut it, but i have to go to bed now, and don´t want to be killed this night and nobody will ever see this.
So if you want to kill me for actually archieving something and protecting the people i trust, go for it!
Eh, I don't know what to say. I'm not a wolf, and PS_Mouse and vouch for that. Other than that, I can't offer any proof. I'd like to ask though...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[16:24] <Pithlit> i was discussing some tactics yesterday with some other people how we could try to identify wolves and/or make use of the special people among us [16:25] <Pithlit> and he was always making partly even irrational counterarguments why they wouldnt work [16:25] <Pithlit> and was suggesting that i´m a wolf, because i was suggesting these, so i could bind humans to my person [16:26] <Pithlit> well, as i said, for someone i didn´t know, and he me neither, he was making up totally obstruse things and causing paranoia [16:28] <Pithlit> and i for myself found such unreasonable behavior (for the case, that he is human) on the beginning of the first day completly unnecessary [16:28] <Pithlit> and unwanted for the human cause [16:28] <Pithlit> that made him suspicious to me<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When was this? I searched my logs a bit, and found this: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[13:32:41] <+Pithlit> well, i could say "I´m the seer", to protect the real one [13:32:49] <+Pithlit> because wolves would try to kill me [13:32:55] <+Pithlit> and leave the real one alone [13:33:10] <+brute_force> someone in here might be a wolf [13:33:11] <+brute_force> >_> [13:33:21] <+PS_Mouse> the thing is, the wolves would kill you because they couldn't risk it [13:33:33] <+PS_Mouse> no-one else would necessarily believe you [13:33:34] <+Pithlit> and the seer could contact me secretly and tell me what he knows, so i could play the seer [13:33:40] <+brute_force> who knows, maybe pithlit could be a wolf pretending to be a seer so the guardian would reveal himself and they could kill him :O [13:33:40] <+Pithlit> and the wolves would believe me<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That was really said in a jokingly fashion, but still, for all I knew at that point (and know now), he could just have been a wolf trying to bait the guardian/seer. That was all I could find where me and Pithlit really talked, and I mean, it's not like I was saying "no, that wouldn't work. I'm not gonna give reasons. I BET YOU'RE A WOLF". Anyhow, I'm going to go to bed now. See you all in the morning.. or not. Depends on what happens during the night <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm thinking of maybe changing my vote to brute force... However, I wish you would wait until tomarrow before killing me, I'd like to see how this turns out.
<b><span style='font-size:19pt;line-height:100%'>IT IS NOW NIGHT TWO, NO POSTING!!!</b></span>
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"Nothing. I just... nothing" <b>Condizzle</b> replied. "I heard someone shouting nearby when I woke up, but I never saw them."
"Was it someone from this camp?" <b>Isamil</b> inquired.
"No. Atleast, I don't think it was." <b>Condizzle</b> returned, looking down. <i>And that means there's more people out there.</i> he thought. <i>I wonder if they-</i>
"Are you sure about that?" <b>Isamil</b> asked.
"Fairly sure." <b>Condizzle</b> answered. "Unless there's someone here you haven't introduced me to."
"Nope. Pretty sure I've introduced you to everyone." <b>Isamil</b> said with a smile. "So who's voice do you think you heard?"
<b>Condizzle</b> looked down again. "I don't know." he replied. <i>Yes you do, but it couldn't have been her. She's dead.</i>
---
"So, you're what? A cameraman?" <b>brute force</b> asked, brushing a branch away from his face.
"<i>Photographer.</i> There's a difference, y'know." <b>Zerobyte</b> said with a sneer.
"Like what?" <b>brute force</b> asked.
"Aaagh. A <i>Cameraman</i> just points the camera where they're told. A <i>Photographer</i> uses the camera to create visual poetry." <b>Zerobyte</b> retorted, now visibly frustrated. <i>Just about to open a show in central Manhattan, and I get stranded in a forest. I hate my luck.</i>
"Aaah, okay." <b>brute force</b> said. "So, where are we going again?"
"North. I saw a small campfire in the valley when we were scouting the ridge." <b>Zerobyte</b> answered, picking up pace. "With any luck, we'll reach the site before dark."
"Good, I'm getting tired." <b>brute force</b> half-mumbled. "Could we st-"
But just as he was about to ask <b>Zerobyte</b> if they could stop for a minute, <b>brute force</b> happened to step on a piece of carved stone that had no bussiness in a forest.
---
"So then we decided to... borrow one of VALVe's ideas, and that's how we came up with <i>Synapse</i>." <b>Gwahir</b> said with a smirk.
"Interesting. And just how much of VAVLe's original 'idea' did you borrow?" <b>lolfighter</b> inquired. "Aside from the core."
"Nothing <i>material</i>, I assure you." <b>Gwahir</b> replied, still smirking. "Afterall, you can't sue someone for using a few of the same lines of code as you, right?"
"Well, with the new Intellectual Property laws being what they are, they <i>could</i> sue you." <b>lolfighter</b> said, scratching the back of his head. "But in order to do that they'd need to look at and compare the source code of both yours and theirs. Then they'd need to prove they used the coding before you, and that you stole it from them."
"But in order to do that, they'd need a federal warrant, right?" <b>Gwahir</b> asked with one eyebrow raised, now grinning.
"That, and probable cause." <b>lolfighter</b> replied, now grinning himself.
---
"Will you hurry it up back there? We don't have much daylight left, and I don't want to trek through this forest at ni-"
But <b>Zerobyte</b> never finished his sentence. The only other thing to escape his mouth, besides blood, was an inarticulate whisper as a knife crossed his throat. Before he even hit the ground, there was no doubt; <span style='color:red'>Zerobyte</span> was dead.
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I will need PM's from the Guardian (if alive), the Seer (if alive), and any remaining wovles before we advance to Day Two.
<b><span style='font-size:19pt;line-height:100%'>IT IS NOW DAY TWO, POST AWAY!!!</span></b>
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<b>brute force</b> trekked through the forest, his bearings now completely thrown to the wind. He'd been hiking for hours now, and he still hadn't found the campsite he and <b>Zerobyte</b> had set out to find.
<i>Is something wrong?</i>
"Why did I have to kill <b>Zerobyte</b>?" <b>brute force</b> asked almost absent mindedly. "Without him I don't know if I'll be able to find that campsite."
<i>You'll find it. Trust me.</i>
"Trust you? <i>Trust you?!</i>" <b>brute force</b> screamed. "The second I picked you up you took control of my body and forced me to kill the only other human I've run into in this God-forsaken forest! Then you told me to head off into the forest, <i>in the dark</i>, without any directions what-so-ever, and you expect me to trust you?!"
<i>Yes. I do.</i>
<b>Brute force</b> didn't respond. He just stood there, staring at the carved female statuette in his hand. Clenching it with all his strength.
-----
"Well, I worked at VAVLe for a number of years. That's how I got access to Steam's source code, and where I got my idea for Synapse. Though it was my wife's idea to make it universal." <b>Gwahir</b> said, tunring his wedding ring between his thumb and forefinger. "Essentially a Global Communication Network, using software only."
"I don't follow you." <b>lolfighter</b> stated, frowing.
"It's a Universal Networking Program. Spread out across every piece of internet capable electronics." <b>Gwahir</b> replied, no longer fiddling with his wedding ring. "In laymens terms, it links anything to everything. Your cellphone to your computer, your car's on-board computer to your TiVo, et cetera."
"Hmmm. And how exactly did you plan to profit from this little endeavor?" <b>lolfighter</b> probed. "It sounds like it would be expensive to implement."
<b>Gwahir</b> smiled. "Simple; charge a subscription fee." he replied, now turning his wedding ring again. "Once Synapse hits the ground, everyone will want in on it." <i>I thought in lines of code, circuts, and parts. You thought in terms of expense, revenue, and profit. God I wish you were here, Lacey.</i>
-----
<b>docchimpey</b> was dumstruck. He'd been hiking for hours with no real hope of finding anything, aside from the odd streambed here and there. And he certainly hadn't planned on finding this.
"Woah." he said to himself. "Surreal."
The village stretched from one end of the cove to the other, though how long it had been there was anyones guess. The docks portruded from the edge of the beach to about half a mile into the water. A majority of what <b>docchimpey</b> supposed to be residential huts were primarily clustered around what appeared to be a market. Inside the market, lay a town square and series of cyclopian monoliths scattered throughout.
"I gotta tell the others about this" he murmured.
<b>docchimpey</b> set off into the forest, back the way he came. Unaware of the creature watching him.
-----
<i>He has found the village</i>
<i>He must not be allowed to tell the others.</i>
...
...
...
<i>I will claim him.</i>
...
...
...
<i>So be it.</i>
-----
"How long has it been?" <b>Hellfire3k</b> inquired.
"4 hours." <b>Isamil</b> replied. "Give or take an hour."
"I <i>told you</i> you should have sent me instead." <b>Hellfire3k</b> snorted, visibly frustrated. "Just what exactly did he do before he got here?"
"He said he was a Waler" <b>Condizzle</b> replied, staring into the forest. "Besides, I didn't see you jump in when the offer came up."
"That's because I was <i>chopping wood!</i>" <b>Hellfire3k</b> nearly screamed. "Something <i>I</i> didn't see any jump at when the off-"
"There!"<b>Isamil</b> shouted, pointing into the forest.
"Who's th-" but <b>Hellfire3k</b> never finished his sentence. Before he could, a creature almost twice the size of a man descended on <b>docchimpey</b>, tearing into him like a piece of meat. The others quickly rushed towards him, shouting and hollarring the entire way.
As the creature took off into the forest, it took with it <b>docchimpey's</b> left arm and left leg. There was nothing they could do for him, except heed his last words. <span style='color:red'>Docchimpey</span> was dead, but his discovery was not.
------------------------- It is now Day Two. Day Two will end at 20:00 (8:00 PM) PST on Friday, March 4th.
Well, that was unexpected. docchimpy was fairly inactive, and as far as I know he wasn't much of a threat to the wolves. Was anyone in contact with him?
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Mar 2 2005, 10:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Mar 2 2005, 10:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whoa, I was completely blindsided there. The way Mouse was talking last night, I thought he or Isa would be picked off. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, same. Or perhaps doc did have a special role, and just contacted the wrong person?
that could work but who did he contact?? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ByekaName changed from Freak83TorontoJoin Date: 2003-03-13Member: 14484Members, Constellation
Going by how quiet doc was, I can't see any other reason for him being killed off other than what lolfighter said. Unless he was talking to the wrong people through PM's and had some alternative reason for being killed - there is not a hell of a lot to base a vote on for that kill.
O_o Okay....these be some weird wolves.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now, if we were to follow lolfighter and brute_force's logic, then the only leads we have to work off of are Mouse and Isamil saying that they were contacted by the psychic. No one else has come forward saying that they've been contacted by any special role characters.
So now, I have to ask Mouse and Isamil whether or not they know of anyone else who spoke with the psychic. Right now I doubt that either one of them is a wolf, because Mouse just seems too....open, and Isamil too....confrontational, but is it possible you have allowed a wolf to worm his way into your network?
ByekaName changed from Freak83TorontoJoin Date: 2003-03-13Member: 14484Members, Constellation
Ok, talking in IRC we've managed to formulate these ideas of why docchimpy was killed:
a) He was quiet b) He might have been in contact with someone c) Random vote d) The wolves are messing with our heads e) To avoid killing someone guarded
I highly doubt it was "C" as random votes are really rare after night 1.
I think it would be a logical choice to choose someone on the side and hardly active...
You don't risk raising suspicions if the person was actively against you. And if they're considered wolfy, then you keep them around as someone to draw the fire.
B) he probably trusted the wrong person through PMs and got taken out
E) the wolves knew we thought isamil or mouse would go and thought the gaurdian would probably be protecting one of them so they didnt want to waste a night so they took out the one person no one expected
P.S. what gives i havent been in the story for 2 posts! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Mar 2 2005, 03:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Mar 2 2005, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well at least your not an bastard like me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't think of yourself as a bastard. Think of yourself as an innovator. You took an idea that was already there, and expanded it in ways no one had thought of previously.
i think it is b... could doc be aphysic... only mouse or isamil know the answer <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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YES; TAHT IS RIGHT, I TRIED TO GAIN HIS TRUST, since we hums have to trust each other to archieve anything!, so here it goes, sorry tha its rather longish:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[11:45] <ZeroByte> hey, I just posted something on the forum
[11:47] <ZeroByte> I am choosing you as a random person but if I die because of my vote change, could you please let people know that I am quite positive brute is a human and that I *think* sky (not very sure on this) is human too?
[11:48] <ZeroByte> I am going to be posting this to your PM too, just in case gamesurge is being a wonk
[11:48] <Pithlit> i hear you
[11:48] <Pithlit> no prob
[11:49] <Pithlit> but after the board you didnt vote for me but for docchimpy
[11:50] <Pithlit> confusing
[11:50] <ZeroByte> well all you were doing were standing in the sidelines
[11:51] <ZeroByte> you were not exactly being inactive
[11:52] <ZeroByte> also, even at the risk of you getting phantomvoted, you have not jumped on any bandwagons so...
[11:55] <Pithlit> no, i don´t understand, why you are writing me this, even if you dont vote for me
[11:57] <Pithlit> you voted for DOCCHIMPY not for me
[11:57] <Pithlit> and one thing
[11:57] <Pithlit> why do you think that brute force is human?
[11:58] <Pithlit> i had the exact different oppinion, i thought he could be the wolf
[11:58] <Pithlit> from some of his sayings yesterday
[11:58] <ZeroByte> when I told the channel about my suspicions of the inactive people
[11:58] <ZeroByte> he contacted me
[11:59] <ZeroByte> hrmmm
[11:59] <ZeroByte> wait.
[11:59] <ZeroByte> okay, no, gimme the reasons for your suspicion first
[11:59] <ZeroByte> my changing my vote for chrono changes my whole dynamic
[11:59] <ZeroByte> err thingy
[12:00] <Pithlit> sorry, i didnt saved the log, my bad, but as i said, it was olny a susspicion, no proof, thats why i didn´t voted its, very vague, yet
[12:00] <Pithlit> thats why i was confused that you said you were sure that he was human
[12:00] <Pithlit> you must have some sort of proof
[12:01] <ZeroByte> I was worried he was the wolf in IRC at first when chrono showed up
[12:01] <ZeroByte> he contacted me to ask who I was going to vote
[12:01] <ZeroByte> I told him chrono so he said he'll go along with me
[12:02] <ZeroByte> he was the only one I who I would specifically vote for
[12:02] <ZeroByte> so chrono appearing 2 hours afterwards worried me
[12:02] <ZeroByte> but when he went ahead with his vote, I was reassured he was human
[12:02] <Pithlit> why does he has to ask you who you would vote for?
[12:03] <Pithlit> if hes a wolf he knows that you are human
[12:03] <Pithlit> but why does he need to know who you are going to vote for?
[12:03] <Pithlit> the only thing i would imagine, is that he is a wolf, but tries to get a human instalynched
[12:04] <Pithlit> so he asks you who you are going to vote for
[12:04] <Pithlit> is you say the name of another human
[12:04] <Pithlit> he agrees and follows you, helping his king, but not starting a dangerous vote by himself
[12:04] <Pithlit> so making himself not suspicious
[12:04] <ZeroByte> good point
[12:04] <Pithlit> but if you would vote for a wolf
[12:05] <ZeroByte> my line of thinking is that he wanted to warn the inactive wolves if I was going to start a vote against them and get them to become active again
[12:05] <Pithlit> he could have said that he is sure he is human and maybe even produced some fake proof that what he said is true
[12:05] <Pithlit> like some secret conversion, like the one we have
[12:05] <ZeroByte> but if he *is* a wolf, your logic does make it seem like he is wolfish
[12:05] <Pithlit> so he could change your vote of from a wolf and to a human
[12:06] <ZeroByte> you know, woned might actually be the perfect person to pull off the inactive wolf thing
[12:06] <Pithlit> but whats the point of being inactive?
[12:07] <ZeroByte> he doesn't know many people so his absence in IRC could be explained away
[12:07] <Pithlit> humans have to get together to kill the wolves efectively
[12:07] <Pithlit> they have to trust eachother[12:07] <ZeroByte> the NS TWG people don't like voting for inactive people
[12:07] <ZeroByte> it screwed them early in the first TWG
[12:07] <Pithlit> if the wolves would be inactive they would stand out and be easily killed
[12:07] <Pithlit> it didnt
[12:07] <Pithlit> i was in the first twg
[12:07] <Pithlit> and we killed the inactives first
[12:08] <ZeroByte> well.. it got humans killed
[12:08] <Pithlit> and they were all human
[12:08] <Pithlit> we got our first wolf (out of 3) very late in the game
[12:08] <ZeroByte> unnecessarily
[12:08] <Pithlit> we knew afterwards
[12:08] <Pithlit> since our psychic told us
[12:08] <Pithlit> so our first 3 or so instalynches because of inactivity killed humans
[12:09] <Pithlit> we even killed our guardian
[12:09] <Pithlit> self with instalynch
[12:10] <ZeroByte> it did set a pattern of not voting for inactive people though
[12:10] <ZeroByte> I noticed that in the 2nd TWG
[12:10] <ZeroByte> if you were a wolf you could use that to slip past the first voting
[12:10] <ZeroByte> so there is less risk
[12:11] <Pithlit> but another thing is, there are 4 wolves and 7 humans out there
[12:11] <Pithlit> he have one inactive
[12:11] <Pithlit> and just by chance that he is lazy
[12:11] <Pithlit> if you now vote him of its just 4/15 that he is a wolf
[12:12] <Pithlit> just by this mere chance you should se that it has immense risk
[12:12] <Pithlit> and if we kill other humans this early in the game it is a huge loss later on
[12:13] <ZeroByte> I have no other things to base this upon and no one is really showing me anything that has some logic related to it
[12:14] <ZeroByte> so I thnk my vote is still better than going for crapshoot and voting randomly
[12:15] <ZeroByte> hold on posting that brute is a human if I die then
[12:15] <ZeroByte> because now I am not sure
[12:16] <ZeroByte> so you have no ideas on who might be the wolf?
[12:17] <Pithlit> well,a s i said, i am suspicious about brute, but i have no other points by now
[12:18] <Pithlit> one question, was Freak83 in the last twg?
[12:18] <ZeroByte> no, he ran the last two TWGs
[12:19] <Pithlit> well, that makes him suspicious, too, after his post where he votes on you
[12:19] <Pithlit> Good point about not having a PC. If he's using your explained inactivity as an excuse for being a wolf it makes me wonder about him. I change my vote to ZeroByte, sorry but Gwahir and Isamil's situation has basically been IRC lag by the sounds of it. My newest suspicien lies here.
[12:19] <Pithlit> since he ran the last two, he knows that the wolves tried to evade being voted of by being inactive
[12:20] <Pithlit> and after what you said, it did work, right?
[12:20] <Pithlit> no he completly irgnores your argument and turns his against you
[12:21] <Pithlit> after his knowledge, how can he turn this (from the last game) valid argument against you?, he is even proposing that you are a wolf
[12:22] <ZeroByte> I wasn't even considering freak
[12:22] <Pithlit> Chrono just voted for you bevcause you voted for him, that normal, weve seen this alredy some times and i would put anything in this
[12:22] <ZeroByte> yeah, the chrono thing I can't hold against him
[12:22] <Pithlit> but then again another person comes (second vote, just like brute), votes on the same person aswell
[12:23] <Pithlit> but additionally proposing that you are a wolf, with ridiculus arguments
[12:23] <Pithlit> i would say thats rather susspicious
[12:23] <Pithlit> how you think about it
[12:23] <Pithlit> ?
[12:24] <ZeroByte> wait
[12:25] <ZeroByte> **** >_<
[12:25] <ZeroByte> I count stuff bad
[12:25] <ZeroByte> snidely voted for Chrono too
[12:25] <ZeroByte> so me, chrono, doc and snide
[12:25] <ZeroByte> that is 4 votes
[12:25] <ZeroByte> changing mine being 3 on 3, not 2 on 3[12:26] <Pithlit> chrono votet for you
[12:26] <Pithlit> not for himself
[12:26] <ZeroByte> chrono = brute
[12:26] <ZeroByte> soz >_<
[12:26] <Pithlit> ok
[12:26] <ZeroByte> lack of sleep
[12:27] <ZeroByte> Freak accusing me of wolvishness
[12:27] <ZeroByte> it may just be their timezones but they posted that with only 15 minutes time difference
[12:27] <Pithlit> where did doc vote for chrono?
[12:28] <Pithlit> i doent see that
[12:28] <ZeroByte> woned pointed it out
[12:28] <ZeroByte> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89050&view=findpost&p=1397660' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....dpost&p=1397660</a>
[12:29] <ZeroByte> *checks timezones*
[12:29] <Pithlit> oh, i oversaw it aswell
[12:29] <Pithlit> well, i think chrono is clear
[12:29] <Pithlit> for hte points i said
[12:29] <ZeroByte> actually freak doesn't have a good reason for voting me
[12:30] <Pithlit> exactly
[12:30] <ZeroByte> at least he could have let me make a rebuttal
[12:30] <Pithlit> thats why i suspise him and brute
[12:30] <Pithlit> Gwahir is 50/50
[12:30] <ZeroByte> who did freak vote first?
[12:31] <ZeroByte> isma or gwa?
[12:31] <Pithlit> gwahir
[12:31] <Pithlit> that would make him clean aswell
[12:31] <Pithlit> good point
[12:31] <Pithlit> it would be intersting to know if we began voting on brute
[12:32] <ZeroByte> we better come up with a proper tally first
[12:32] <Pithlit> assuming that he is the wolf, the other wolfes might change their votes over to you
[12:32] <Pithlit> protecting their pal
[12:32] <Pithlit> assuming that you have currently 1 wolf vote and 2 human ones against yourself
[12:33] <Pithlit> we would have 3 more votes that could be laid on you without reason
[12:33] <Pithlit> so if we come up with a good point to vote for brute
[12:33] <Pithlit> we could avoid other humans voting for you
[12:33] <Pithlit> isolationg the wolves
[12:33] <ZeroByte> I think they could cook up oversuspicion as a reason to vote for me
[12:34] <ZeroByte> although that can be easily rebutted
[12:34] <Pithlit> well, i would vote on brute first
[12:34] <Pithlit> you dont have to take the first vote
[12:34] <Pithlit> but since youre the one with the more votes, the wolves would attack you
[12:34] <ZeroByte> are you in contact with anyone else?
[12:34] <Pithlit> they could get you instalynched
[12:34] <Pithlit> and that would be bad
[12:35] <ZeroByte> coordinating stuff?
[12:35] <Pithlit> because of that we should really have a good argument
[12:35] <Pithlit> we could use this log, but snipping the parts, that are about the tatics of the wolves
[12:36] <Pithlit> i know its a little like cheating, but otherwise they would know whtat we plan
[12:37] <Pithlit> its the best idea i have right now
[12:37] <ZeroByte> hang on, I'm tallying the votes as of now
[12:40] <Pithlit> i think we could try to take sky into the plan
[12:40] <Pithlit> after what he has said yet, i could believe him, that he is human
[12:42] <ZeroByte> yeah, I believe he is human too
[12:43] <ZeroByte> I don't think I have influence over him yet although I did mention to him my suspicions of brute
[12:43] <ZeroByte> so that is a possible leverage[12:44] <Pithlit> well, again we could show him this log (without the snipping of course), although its a risk, i would say its minimal
[12:44] <ZeroByte> Zerobyte - 3 (gwahir, freak83, chrono)
[12:44] <ZeroByte> docchimpy - 2 (zerobyte, won)
[12:44] <ZeroByte> chrono - 3 (snidely, docchimpy, brute force)
[12:44] <ZeroByte> ismail - 2 (hellfire3k, sky)
[12:44] <ZeroByte> snidely - 1 (condizzle)
[12:44] <ZeroByte> gwahir - 1 (lolfighter)
[12:44] <ZeroByte> non voters: ismail, pithlit, mouse
[12:44] <Pithlit> mouse has voted on sky
[12:45] <ZeroByte> he has?
[12:45] <ZeroByte> bleh
[12:45] <Pithlit> first post
[12:46] <Pithlit> without reason (he says to start the game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->), but i don´think you have to vote for someone to start the game
[12:47] <ZeroByte> btw, how am I supposed to know that this isn't really an elaborate ruse to make me start going for brute ;P
[12:47] <Pithlit> well IF i would be a wolf
[12:48] <Pithlit> it would be rather dumb NOW trying to kill a human wich has no votes against him by now
[12:48] <ZeroByte> true, true
[12:48] <Pithlit> and beginning to gather votes with one of the most endangered people
[12:50] <Pithlit> well, im writing sky now a PM that he should join the channel, so we can talk about it
[12:52] <Pithlit> how long are you going to be online?
[12:52] <Pithlit> i have to go to college soon (but only for some marks, and will be back in 2 h)
[12:53] <Pithlit> so if sky comes sooner, that at least one of us is here
[12:53] <ZeroByte> uhm, I'll be here for an hour or so more
[12:53] <ZeroByte> but I'll return in say 4 hours
[12:54] <ZeroByte> I'll try to work out the people a bit more
[12:56] <Pithlit> ok
[12:56] <Pithlit> i have sent him the message
[12:56] <Pithlit> no ide when he comes online
[12:56] <Pithlit> so im breaking of now so i can be back as soon as possible
[12:57] <Pithlit> and after im back im going to vote on brute
[12:57] <Pithlit> could you snip the log until then so we can use it as a proof?
[12:58] <ZeroByte> okay
[12:58] <ZeroByte> I'll PM it to you later
[12:59] <Pithlit> thanks
[12:59] <Pithlit> but since the argument is coming from me, its rather dumb if i post it as proof
[12:59] <Pithlit> that way it seems more made up
[13:00] <Pithlit> if you voted first and posted it it would surly more compromising to the other humans, since it would show that you believed me
[13:09] <ZeroByte> okay, so brute seems to be following my votes
[13:10] <ZeroByte> man, I'm going to go sit down with *graphs*
* Logging ZeroByte to 'logs\ZeroByte.GameSurge.log'[16:05] <ZeroByte> snidely picked up of freak83's unjustified vote against me
[16:05] <ZeroByte> he will probably vote freak83 on the next round
[16:13] <ZeroByte> snidely is putting out feelers on brute
[16:19] <Pithlit> uhuh
[16:19] <Pithlit> so what shall we do now?
[16:20] <Pithlit> should we start a vote against brute?
[16:20] <ZeroByte> I don't feel comfortable about starting a vote against brute yet
[16:21] <ZeroByte> what did he say that made you suspicious of him?
[16:21] <ZeroByte> if not specifics then at least a summary
[16:24] <Pithlit> i was discussing some tactics yesterday with some other people how we could try to identify wolves and/or make use of the special people among us
[16:25] <Pithlit> and he was always making partly even irrational counterarguments why they wouldnt work
[16:25] <Pithlit> and was suggesting that i´m a wolf, because i was suggesting these, so i could bind humans to my person
[16:26] <Pithlit> well, as i said, for someone i didn´t know, and he me neither, he was making up totally obstruse things and causing paranoia
[16:28] <Pithlit> and i for myself found such unreasonable behavior (for the case, that he is human) on the beginning of the first day completly unnecessary
[16:28] <Pithlit> and unwanted for the human cause
[16:28] <Pithlit> that made him suspicious to me
[16:28] <ZeroByte> hmmm I see
[16:29] <ZeroByte> I could fabricate a reason
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[22:04] <Pithlit> no prob
[22:04] <Pithlit> i´m curently trying to safe you by voting for ismail
[22:05] <Pithlit> but now the others find nme suspicious
[22:05] <Pithlit> especially Brute_force and freak ^^
[22:05] <Pithlit> its just as i thought
[22:06] <Pithlit> now im pretty sure that they are wolves
[22:06] <Pithlit> and i think witht he vote against ismail we´re doing th right thing
[22:07] <Pithlit> if you´d changed your vote for him, too he is surly going to be dead
[22:08] <Pithlit> after what they said, i fear that the wolves will be trying to kill me next day ,not wolfing me at night, so it isn´t as suspicios to the others
[22:09] <ZeroByte> hmm.. brute might be pimping ismail..
[22:09] <ZeroByte> what he said on the channel
[22:09] <Pithlit> mom
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> Pithlit just voted for me giving me the most votes because "He didn't want Zerobyte to be killed right now"
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> (I voted for Zerobyte by the way)
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <slackykingofgorges> yeah thats so suspicous
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <slackykingofgorges> it seriously looks like he is a wolf at the moment
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> He's acting really wierd
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> But I do feel Zerobyte is sucpicious
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <[sA]Freak83> pithlit?
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> I meen, he's saying blah is a wolf for reasons I don't have to explain
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <[sA]Freak83> that's a bit odd
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> But I meen
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> He's either a really stupid wolf, or just being wierd
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <brute_force|away> hmm
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <brute_force|away> he does act really weird
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> I'm not going to be voting for him though...
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <brute_force|away> maybe we should keep an eye on him >_>
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> Staying with Zerobyte
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:45] <[sA]Freak83> i thought you or gwahir was a wolf until i realized the whole argument thing between you guys was just IRC lag
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[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> Pithlit just voted for me giving me the most votes because "He didn't want Zerobyte to be killed right now"
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> (I voted for Zerobyte by the way)
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <slackykingofgorges> yeah thats so suspicous
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <slackykingofgorges> it seriously looks like he is a wolf at the moment
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> He's acting really wierd
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <Isamil> But I do feel Zerobyte is sucpicious
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:43] <[sA]Freak83> pithlit?
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> I meen, he's saying blah is a wolf for reasons I don't have to explain
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <[sA]Freak83> that's a bit odd
[22:10] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> But I meen
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:44] <Isamil> He's either a really stupid wolf, or just being wierd
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:44] <brute_force|away> hmm
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <brute_force|away> he does act really weird
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> I'm not going to be voting for him though...
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <brute_force|away> maybe we should keep an eye on him >_>
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> Staying with Zerobyte
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <[sA]Freak83> i thought you or gwahir was a wolf until i realized the whole argument thing between you guys was just IRC lag
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> Yeah...that was odd
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <[sA]Freak83> so i changed my vote
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> To Zerobyte
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:45] <Isamil> Who I voted for
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:46] <Isamil> However I have the most votes now as of Pithlit's vote
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:46] <[sA]Freak83> i wish renegade would provide a voting chart now and then like i did
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:46] <Isamil> Someone else was doing it
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:46] <brute_force|away> I might vote for pithlit the next day, but I guess it also depends on what comes up during the day, and also who gets wolfed/lynched
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:47] * brute_force|away is away again
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> Zerobyte - 3 (gwahir, freak83, isamil)
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> chrono - 2 (snidely, docchimpy)
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> docchimpy - 3 (zerobyte, won,brute force)
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> ismail - 4 (hellfire3k, sky, chrono, pithlit)
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> snidely - 1 (condizzle)
[22:11] <Pithlit> [21:49] <Isamil> gwahir - 1 (lolfighter)
[22:11] <ZeroByte> [04:58] <brute_force> Isamil, do you need help or anything? I mean, I'm pretty sure you're a human and all...
[22:12] <Pithlit> exactly
[22:13] <Pithlit> so please vote for isamil, too
[23:00] <ZeroByte> are you there?
[23:50] <Pit|clanwar> yes
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So if you want to kill me for actually archieving something and protecting the people i trust, go for it!
n8 all
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[16:24] <Pithlit> i was discussing some tactics yesterday with some other people how we could try to identify wolves and/or make use of the special people among us
[16:25] <Pithlit> and he was always making partly even irrational counterarguments why they wouldnt work
[16:25] <Pithlit> and was suggesting that i´m a wolf, because i was suggesting these, so i could bind humans to my person
[16:26] <Pithlit> well, as i said, for someone i didn´t know, and he me neither, he was making up totally obstruse things and causing paranoia
[16:28] <Pithlit> and i for myself found such unreasonable behavior (for the case, that he is human) on the beginning of the first day completly unnecessary
[16:28] <Pithlit> and unwanted for the human cause
[16:28] <Pithlit> that made him suspicious to me<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When was this?
I searched my logs a bit, and found this:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[13:32:41] <+Pithlit> well, i could say "I´m the seer", to protect the real one
[13:32:49] <+Pithlit> because wolves would try to kill me
[13:32:55] <+Pithlit> and leave the real one alone
[13:33:10] <+brute_force> someone in here might be a wolf
[13:33:11] <+brute_force> >_>
[13:33:21] <+PS_Mouse> the thing is, the wolves would kill you because they couldn't risk it
[13:33:33] <+PS_Mouse> no-one else would necessarily believe you
[13:33:34] <+Pithlit> and the seer could contact me secretly and tell me what he knows, so i could play the seer
[13:33:40] <+brute_force> who knows, maybe pithlit could be a wolf pretending to be a seer so the guardian would reveal himself and they could kill him :O
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That was really said in a jokingly fashion, but still, for all I knew at that point (and know now), he could just have been a wolf trying to bait the guardian/seer. That was all I could find where me and Pithlit really talked, and I mean, it's not like I was saying "no, that wouldn't work. I'm not gonna give reasons. I BET YOU'RE A WOLF". Anyhow, I'm going to go to bed now. See you all in the morning.. or not. Depends on what happens during the night <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Zerobyte - 3 (Gwahir, Freak83, Isamil)
Chrono - 2 (Snidely, docchimpy)
docchimpy - 2 (won, brute force)
Isamil - 5 (Hellfire3k, Sky, Chrono, Pithlit, Zerobyte)
Snidely - 1 (Condizzle)
Gwahir - 1 (lolfighter)
Mouse - 1 (Mouse)
Remember people, give legitamate reasons for voting for someone. "He's a poophead" doesn't really cut it.
However, I wish you would wait until tomarrow before killing me, I'd like to see how this turns out.
Zerobyte - 5 (Gwahir, Freak83, Isamil, Hellfire3k, Mouse)
Chrono - 2 (Snidely, docchimpy)
docchimpy - 2 (won, brute force)
Isamil - 4 (Sky, Chrono, Pithlit, Zerobyte)
Snidely - 1 (Condizzle)
Gwahir - 1 (lolfighter)
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"Nothing. I just... nothing" <b>Condizzle</b> replied. "I heard someone shouting nearby when I woke up, but I never saw them."
"Was it someone from this camp?" <b>Isamil</b> inquired.
"No. Atleast, I don't think it was." <b>Condizzle</b> returned, looking down. <i>And that means there's more people out there.</i> he thought. <i>I wonder if they-</i>
"Are you sure about that?" <b>Isamil</b> asked.
"Fairly sure." <b>Condizzle</b> answered. "Unless there's someone here you haven't introduced me to."
"Nope. Pretty sure I've introduced you to everyone." <b>Isamil</b> said with a smile. "So who's voice do you think you heard?"
<b>Condizzle</b> looked down again. "I don't know." he replied. <i>Yes you do, but it couldn't have been her. She's dead.</i>
---
"So, you're what? A cameraman?" <b>brute force</b> asked, brushing a branch away from his face.
"<i>Photographer.</i> There's a difference, y'know." <b>Zerobyte</b> said with a sneer.
"Like what?" <b>brute force</b> asked.
"Aaagh. A <i>Cameraman</i> just points the camera where they're told. A <i>Photographer</i> uses the camera to create visual poetry." <b>Zerobyte</b> retorted, now visibly frustrated. <i>Just about to open a show in central Manhattan, and I get stranded in a forest. I hate my luck.</i>
"Aaah, okay." <b>brute force</b> said. "So, where are we going again?"
"North. I saw a small campfire in the valley when we were scouting the ridge." <b>Zerobyte</b> answered, picking up pace. "With any luck, we'll reach the site before dark."
"Good, I'm getting tired." <b>brute force</b> half-mumbled. "Could we st-"
But just as he was about to ask <b>Zerobyte</b> if they could stop for a minute, <b>brute force</b> happened to step on a piece of carved stone that had no bussiness in a forest.
---
"So then we decided to... borrow one of VALVe's ideas, and that's how we came up with <i>Synapse</i>." <b>Gwahir</b> said with a smirk.
"Interesting. And just how much of VAVLe's original 'idea' did you borrow?" <b>lolfighter</b> inquired. "Aside from the core."
"Nothing <i>material</i>, I assure you." <b>Gwahir</b> replied, still smirking. "Afterall, you can't sue someone for using a few of the same lines of code as you, right?"
"Well, with the new Intellectual Property laws being what they are, they <i>could</i> sue you." <b>lolfighter</b> said, scratching the back of his head. "But in order to do that they'd need to look at and compare the source code of both yours and theirs. Then they'd need to prove they used the coding before you, and that you stole it from them."
"But in order to do that, they'd need a federal warrant, right?" <b>Gwahir</b> asked with one eyebrow raised, now grinning.
"That, and probable cause." <b>lolfighter</b> replied, now grinning himself.
---
"Will you hurry it up back there? We don't have much daylight left, and I don't want to trek through this forest at ni-"
But <b>Zerobyte</b> never finished his sentence. The only other thing to escape his mouth, besides blood, was an inarticulate whisper as a knife crossed his throat. Before he even hit the ground, there was no doubt; <span style='color:red'>Zerobyte</span> was dead.
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I will need PM's from the Guardian (if alive), the Seer (if alive), and any remaining wovles before we advance to Day Two.
Players still left in the game:
1. Freak83
2. Gwahir
3. docchimpy
4. Sky
5. Chrono
6. wonedslackystyle
7. Hellfire3k
8. Isamil
9. Snidely
10. lolfighter
11. Mouse
12. brute force
13. Pithlit
14. Condizzle
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<b>brute force</b> trekked through the forest, his bearings now completely thrown to the wind. He'd been hiking for hours now, and he still hadn't found the campsite he and <b>Zerobyte</b> had set out to find.
<i>Is something wrong?</i>
"Why did I have to kill <b>Zerobyte</b>?" <b>brute force</b> asked almost absent mindedly. "Without him I don't know if I'll be able to find that campsite."
<i>You'll find it. Trust me.</i>
"Trust you? <i>Trust you?!</i>" <b>brute force</b> screamed. "The second I picked you up you took control of my body and forced me to kill the only other human I've run into in this God-forsaken forest! Then you told me to head off into the forest, <i>in the dark</i>, without any directions what-so-ever, and you expect me to trust you?!"
<i>Yes. I do.</i>
<b>Brute force</b> didn't respond. He just stood there, staring at the carved female statuette in his hand. Clenching it with all his strength.
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"Well, I worked at VAVLe for a number of years. That's how I got access to Steam's source code, and where I got my idea for Synapse. Though it was my wife's idea to make it universal." <b>Gwahir</b> said, tunring his wedding ring between his thumb and forefinger. "Essentially a Global Communication Network, using software only."
"I don't follow you." <b>lolfighter</b> stated, frowing.
"It's a Universal Networking Program. Spread out across every piece of internet capable electronics." <b>Gwahir</b> replied, no longer fiddling with his wedding ring. "In laymens terms, it links anything to everything. Your cellphone to your computer, your car's on-board computer to your TiVo, et cetera."
"Hmmm. And how exactly did you plan to profit from this little endeavor?" <b>lolfighter</b> probed. "It sounds like it would be expensive to implement."
<b>Gwahir</b> smiled. "Simple; charge a subscription fee." he replied, now turning his wedding ring again. "Once Synapse hits the ground, everyone will want in on it." <i>I thought in lines of code, circuts, and parts. You thought in terms of expense, revenue, and profit. God I wish you were here, Lacey.</i>
-----
<b>docchimpey</b> was dumstruck. He'd been hiking for hours with no real hope of finding anything, aside from the odd streambed here and there. And he certainly hadn't planned on finding this.
"Woah." he said to himself. "Surreal."
The village stretched from one end of the cove to the other, though how long it had been there was anyones guess. The docks portruded from the edge of the beach to about half a mile into the water. A majority of what <b>docchimpey</b> supposed to be residential huts were primarily clustered around what appeared to be a market. Inside the market, lay a town square and series of cyclopian monoliths scattered throughout.
"I gotta tell the others about this" he murmured.
<b>docchimpey</b> set off into the forest, back the way he came. Unaware of the creature watching him.
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<i>He has found the village</i>
<i>He must not be allowed to tell the others.</i>
...
...
...
<i>I will claim him.</i>
...
...
...
<i>So be it.</i>
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"How long has it been?" <b>Hellfire3k</b> inquired.
"4 hours." <b>Isamil</b> replied. "Give or take an hour."
"I <i>told you</i> you should have sent me instead." <b>Hellfire3k</b> snorted, visibly frustrated. "Just what exactly did he do before he got here?"
"He said he was a Waler" <b>Condizzle</b> replied, staring into the forest. "Besides, I didn't see you jump in when the offer came up."
"That's because I was <i>chopping wood!</i>" <b>Hellfire3k</b> nearly screamed. "Something <i>I</i> didn't see any jump at when the off-"
"There!"<b>Isamil</b> shouted, pointing into the forest.
"Who's th-" but <b>Hellfire3k</b> never finished his sentence. Before he could, a creature almost twice the size of a man descended on <b>docchimpey</b>, tearing into him like a piece of meat. The others quickly rushed towards him, shouting and hollarring the entire way.
As the creature took off into the forest, it took with it <b>docchimpey's</b> left arm and left leg. There was nothing they could do for him, except heed his last words. <span style='color:red'>Docchimpey</span> was dead, but his discovery was not.
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It is now Day Two. Day Two will end at 20:00 (8:00 PM) PST on Friday, March 4th.
Instalynch is now at <b>7</b>.
Players still left in the game:
1. Freak83
2. Gwahir
3. Sky
4. Chrono
5. wonedslackystyle
6. Hellfire3k
7. Isamil
8. Snidely
9. lolfighter
10. Mouse
11. brute force
12. Pithlit
13. Condizzle
I never saw Doc in irc, and only the one post here. :|
Yeah, same. Or perhaps doc did have a special role, and just contacted the wrong person?
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Okay....these be some weird wolves.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now, if we were to follow lolfighter and brute_force's logic, then the only leads we have to work off of are Mouse and Isamil saying that they were contacted by the psychic. No one else has come forward saying that they've been contacted by any special role characters.
So now, I have to ask Mouse and Isamil whether or not they know of anyone else who spoke with the psychic. Right now I doubt that either one of them is a wolf, because Mouse just seems too....open, and Isamil too....confrontational, but is it possible you have allowed a wolf to worm his way into your network?
a) He was quiet
b) He might have been in contact with someone
c) Random vote
d) The wolves are messing with our heads
e) To avoid killing someone guarded
I highly doubt it was "C" as random votes are really rare after night 1.
You don't risk raising suspicions if the person was actively against you.
And if they're considered wolfy, then you keep them around as someone to draw the fire.
B) he probably trusted the wrong person through PMs and got taken out
E) the wolves knew we thought isamil or mouse would go and thought the gaurdian would probably be protecting one of them so they didnt want to waste a night so they took out the one person no one expected
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Don't think of yourself as a bastard. Think of yourself as an innovator. You took an idea that was already there, and expanded it in ways no one had thought of previously.
I don't even know what the show is but that's what I'm assuming given the content.
I don't know if the psychic contacted anyone apart from Mouse and I; however, Mouse might know.
could doc be aphysic... only mouse or isamil know the answer
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