<!--QuoteBegin-groKKingmImI+Mar 30 2005, 02:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (groKKingmImI @ Mar 30 2005, 02:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Mar 28 2005, 03:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Mar 28 2005, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I want to apollogize Grokking, I just couldn't dignify what you said with anything else...lol <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't see any difference in terms of violation of rights between alien and sedition and loss of privacy, if that's what you're talking about. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's not what he's talking about.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Mar 28 2005, 04:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Mar 28 2005, 04:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Modern day American "Democracy" is a far cry from what democracy really is. The founding fathers are vomiting in their graves <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry, no. Whats a far cry from it is american democracy, because it was initially a huge compromise at best - and it seems momentously hard to change now. That doesn't mean noone has a functioning democracy <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So much for off topic. I'm intrigued by the -stan suffix too, been trying to figure it out for the last half hour, but no source seems to bother mentioning the etymology of those names.
[QUOTE=Cyndane,Mar 26 2005, 11:18 AM] OT question: what the hell does -stan stand for and why is it behind so many former soviet republics? [/QUOTE]
The -stan, at the end of most Russian related countries signifies that particular peoples republic. Example, Kyrgyz (russian pronounciation) are the what the native people refer to themselves as, and -stan means it is their republic, thusly, you get Kyrgyzstan. [/QUOTE] Quoting myself FTW? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SaltzBad+Mar 31 2005, 11:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaltzBad @ Mar 31 2005, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm intrigued by the -stan suffix too, been trying to figure it out for the last half hour, but no source seems to bother mentioning the etymology of those names. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If I remember correctly it means something along the lines of country, or land. Though I could be wrong, as this is a vague memeory from an aside during an Arabic (not the language used in that part of the world, can't remember why it came up, probably something to do with Afghanistan, though the native language there is Farsi, though I'm sure the Taliban rule, and emphasis on Islam might have changed that) class from last year.
jesus who is called christ you dudes are ignorant <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
kyrgyzstan is mostly persianic peoples i believe. a portion of their population spills into afghanistan. the interior of afghanistan is taken up by the hazara, an east asian persian mix of peoples; however, the pashtun, of whom the current Afghani president Harmad Karzai is a member of, currently dominate the political situation in the country.
i am not as clear on the surrounding countries. obviously there are a lot of turks, who are of varied ancestry, and some persians. i am not clear on the rest. in olden days there would've been indo european, mongolian, and chinese populations as well. but it seems all 3 have largely vanished (technically persian is indo european but there were others), although there are a small number of more recent chinese; more recent as in, this past 1000 years and not the 1000 years before that. russians from russian colonialism, and a very little bit of greek
i guess re: the old populations the turks absorbed them; in their migration west and subsequent conversion to islam, some hardline governments came to power. china's move from militarism to pacifism and persia's long ago conquest by islam played parts also, in allowing the inner asians to do what they do free of molestation.
Hmm.. interesting... sadly though I could have sworn Uzbekistan had a more republic government then Kyrgyzstan does now.
If I am wrong, so be it but I didn't think they had a dictatorship in place there. I see no reason for the violence other then people assuming the worst (both civilian and government troops).
I also didn't see an interview with a Uzbekistani offical nor civilian that was there when the incident started. Which is sad considering it is MSNBC.
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I don't see any difference in terms of violation of rights between alien and sedition and loss of privacy, if that's what you're talking about. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's not what he's talking about.
...Kyrgystan FTW!
Sorry, no. Whats a far cry from it is american democracy, because it was initially a huge compromise at best - and it seems momentously hard to change now. That doesn't mean noone has a functioning democracy <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So much for off topic. I'm intrigued by the -stan suffix too, been trying to figure it out for the last half hour, but no source seems to bother mentioning the etymology of those names.
The -stan, at the end of most Russian related countries signifies that particular peoples republic. Example, Kyrgyz (russian pronounciation) are the what the native people refer to themselves as, and -stan means it is their republic, thusly, you get Kyrgyzstan. [/QUOTE]
Quoting myself FTW? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If I remember correctly it means something along the lines of country, or land. Though I could be wrong, as this is a vague memeory from an aside during an Arabic (not the language used in that part of the world, can't remember why it came up, probably something to do with Afghanistan, though the native language there is Farsi, though I'm sure the Taliban rule, and emphasis on Islam might have changed that) class from last year.
-stan is persian. it is roughly, "land"
jesus who is called christ you dudes are ignorant <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
kyrgyzstan is mostly persianic peoples i believe. a portion of their population spills into afghanistan. the interior of afghanistan is taken up by the hazara, an east asian persian mix of peoples; however, the pashtun, of whom the current Afghani president Harmad Karzai is a member of, currently dominate the political situation in the country.
i am not as clear on the surrounding countries. obviously there are a lot of turks, who are of varied ancestry, and some persians. i am not clear on the rest. in olden days there would've been indo european, mongolian, and chinese populations as well. but it seems all 3 have largely vanished (technically persian is indo european but there were others), although there are a small number of more recent chinese; more recent as in, this past 1000 years and not the 1000 years before that. russians from russian colonialism, and a very little bit of greek
i guess re: the old populations the turks absorbed them; in their migration west and subsequent conversion to islam, some hardline governments came to power. china's move from militarism to pacifism and persia's long ago conquest by islam played parts also, in allowing the inner asians to do what they do free of molestation.
procrastination ftw
<a href='http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7837128/' target='_blank'>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7837128/</a>
Looks like the revolution is spreading...
If I am wrong, so be it but I didn't think they had a dictatorship in place there. I see no reason for the violence other then people assuming the worst (both civilian and government troops).
I also didn't see an interview with a Uzbekistani offical nor civilian that was there when the incident started. Which is sad considering it is MSNBC.