<!--QuoteBegin-Crono5+Mar 28 2005, 10:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crono5 @ Mar 28 2005, 10:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DrSuredeath+Mar 28 2005, 07:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DrSuredeath @ Mar 28 2005, 07:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Being the Nintendo fanboy, I'm rooting for Revolution. But in my heart, I know PS3 will still be king. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Being the Sega fanboy, I will cry myself to sleep, wake up, and play Dreamcast for the next six to eight years. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm right there with you, playing Crazy Taxi for eternity. However, I'm also a Big-N fanboy and they aren't out of the race yet.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So this system looks like it is going to be your regular ordinary household flying saucer. Dispite the fact that I may think it looks like a pressure cooker, I honestly have to say this thing really has me impressed. From what I have seen, nintendo seems to be looking to meet to mid/low pricerange market with this product, so I kindof doubt it will compete with the power of the other consoles in the tradtional sense, but I see lots of room for advancements that I don't belive the other consoles will be able to touch. It looks as if nintendo's primary goal here is to really encorage inovation in the market possibly even at the expense if being able to pump out the graphically astonishing games with the real time lightcasting and the hyperrealistic physics effects. I have heard that Nintendo possibly has the patent for gyroscopic controllers, so we may see a embodyment of that in the Revoltion's user interface, but so far the only official statement from Nintendo is that they haven't decided on a primary control system yet, but they promise that whatever they choose will prioritize inovation and ease of use for the user.
The other main mentionable feature is that this thing appears to have online/multiplayer support that will absolutly slaughter the current Xbox live system. The console comes with Wi-Fi built in, and with the current online capabilities of the nintendo DS, I really don't think it is a long shot to assume that nintendo is shooting to monopolize the inovative market in terms of online gaming in the next gen race. I would not be surprized to see some really cool user to user interfaces that just kindof make you drop your jaw and go "WTH, that is awesome" coming out of the Revolution development teams, and no doubt the DS/Revoltion interface will be nothing short of remarkable. Also it is worth mentioning that unlike past incarnations of nintendo systems, the revolution will be fully backwards compatable with GCN titles, and will have a built in DVD player. It's nice to see nintendo following the trend and finally including those two nifty little addtions that GCN users have been sorely missing in this last generation. Finally it is rumored that the Revolution will be shipped with a 15 meg harddrive, which is never a bad thing in a console. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nintendo fanboy-ness aside, I really thing thats a great idea! Ecept for the DVD playing capabilites, which are uterly useless to anyone who already has a friggen DVD player.
I've heard that the 'Revolution' will also be backward compatible with current GameCube games (although, through that description it doesn't seem like it would be very possible, if the architecture and coding are so different, how could it support the games from a previous generation?), while the Xbox will not be backwards compatible (and those dumb****s from the OXM can go **** themselves with their 'oh, we don't want a console limited by the previous generation'). If I remember right, the reason the harddrive was so useful (aside from saving), was because you could spool levels and stuff off it for shorter loading times (some games actually needed it) - so how's that figure into the new generation?
Anyway, I don't see why the PS2 sells anymore; I suppose people buy it for GTA, FF and MGS games...but it doesn't really have anything else (although, based on that example the Xbox has Halo, Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell on Live and the likes of KotOR and Jade Empire, which isn't out yet); thus the GameCube should really reign supreme (but those congo drums are retarded <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
I'll probably go with a Revolution first...then maybe an Xbox 2/Xenon/4x4x4ActionBrick/XboxNext/xXxboxXx/etc later, possibly dependent on when Halo 3 and Ninja Gaiden 2 decide to come out.
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Mar 28 2005, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Mar 28 2005, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyway, I don't see why the PS2 sells anymore; I suppose people buy it for GTA, FF and MGS games...but it doesn't really have anything else (although, based on that example the Xbox has Halo, Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell on Live and the likes of KotOR and Jade Empire, which isn't out yet); thus the GameCube should really reign supreme (but those congo drums are retarded <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes because no one cares about Gran Turismo, Tekken, ratchet and clank, sly...
I own a Gamecube and an Xbox currently, and I really wish I had kept my PS2 at times. There are alot of quality titles available for it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Mar 28 2005, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Mar 28 2005, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Mar 28 2005, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Mar 28 2005, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Clashen+Mar 28 2005, 09:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Clashen @ Mar 28 2005, 09:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Mar 28 2005, 05:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Mar 28 2005, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Let's hope it has something revolutionary like the connection GameCube/GBA was! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is that sarcasm? Because I can't tell.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's funny because I was having the same problem. I just chose to ignore the statement before though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Your sarcasm-detecting-force is getting weaker.
Nintendo's Revolution is the only one that even slightly interests me, as I hate consoles in general to the core. If it's anything like any of today's consoles I'm not buying one. (I got rid of my GameCube a few months back and just got rid of my Xbox about a week ago).
PS3. Dynasty Warriors 5. Heaven is achieved. **** it,all I need is a next-gen DW and I'm happy. Up yours X-Box and Revolution. (though if Rev brings out a v.v.v.v good Metroid 3d again....hmmm)
NolSinklerOn the ClorfJoin Date: 2004-02-15Member: 26560Members, Constellation
edited March 2005
Meh, I want a revolution.
I wish sega were coming out with something <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Maybe they will sometime...because they just merged with sammy (in 2004).
<!--QuoteBegin-Clashen+Mar 28 2005, 05:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Clashen @ Mar 28 2005, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Mar 28 2005, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Mar 28 2005, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Mar 28 2005, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Mar 28 2005, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Clashen+Mar 28 2005, 09:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Clashen @ Mar 28 2005, 09:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Mar 28 2005, 05:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Mar 28 2005, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's funny because I was having the same problem. I just chose to ignore the statement before though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Your sarcasm-detecting-force is getting weaker. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I judge sarcasm on an individual basis. I couldn't remember any previous posts of yours to reference whether you were a sarcastic person or not.
Personally, I'm all for the Revolution on this one. The Console games market really is already begining to stagnating on the PS and XBOX systems. Sure, Nintendo has had some bad and/or failed innovations in the past, but at LEAST they're trying *something*. Unlike a lot of the other companies out there. :/ *cough, EA, cough.*
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Mar 28 2005, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Mar 28 2005, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've heard that the 'Revolution' will also be backward compatible with current GameCube games (although, through that description it doesn't seem like it would be very possible, if the architecture and coding are so different, how could it support the games from a previous generation?), while the Xbox will not be backwards compatible (and those dumb****s from the OXM can go **** themselves with their 'oh, we don't want a console limited by the previous generation'). If I remember right, the reason the harddrive was so useful (aside from saving), was because you could spool levels and stuff off it for shorter loading times (some games actually needed it) - so how's that figure into the new generation?
Anyway, I don't see why the PS2 sells anymore; I suppose people buy it for GTA, FF and MGS games...but it doesn't really have anything else (although, based on that example the Xbox has Halo, Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell on Live and the likes of KotOR and Jade Empire, which isn't out yet); thus the GameCube should really reign supreme (but those congo drums are retarded <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
I'll probably go with a Revolution first...then maybe an Xbox 2/Xenon/4x4x4ActionBrick/XboxNext/xXxboxXx/etc later, possibly dependent on when Halo 3 and Ninja Gaiden 2 decide to come out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> By rumor Xbox 2 and Revolution will both be backwards compatable. Microsoft is designing the next Xbox chip rather then marketing it out to Nvidea again, but apparently one of the top priorities was that it remained compatable with the x86 development envorionment, dispite the fact that Xbox2 titles are going to be built in a totally different environment.
<!--QuoteBegin-SillyGoose+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SillyGoose)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes because no one cares about Gran Turismo, Tekken, ratchet and clank, sly...
I own a Gamecube and an Xbox currently, and I really wish I had kept my PS2 at times. There are alot of quality titles available for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> IMHO sony had the strongest developer contracting platform in the onset of the PS2, and because of it for the longest time they had the highest concentration of quality titles. That has started to shift outwards towards the end of the PS2 lifespan... but in all honesty I am extreamly tempted to buy a PS3 ONLY for the GT and Tekken series, and I can't help but be swayed by the actions of sqauresoft, but I forsee alot more cooperation between square and nintendo in the next gen market.
<!--QuoteBegin-SuitePee+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuitePee)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> PS3. Dynasty Warriors 5. Heaven is achieved. **** it,all I need is a next-gen DW and I'm happy. Up yours X-Box and Revolution. (though if Rev brings out a v.v.v.v good Metroid 3d again....hmmm)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Last time I went with a PS2 because they quite simply had the most quality titles when I was looking to buy. I have a thing against going with a console for only one or two titles, I prefer quantity over loyalty when it comes to my gaming.
<!--QuoteBegin-Khaim+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Khaim)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, I'm all for the Revolution on this one. The Console games market really is already begining to stagnating on the PS and XBOX systems. Sure, Nintendo has had some bad and/or failed innovations in the past, but at LEAST they're trying *something*. Unlike a lot of the other companies out there. :/ *cough, EA, cough.*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly. Nintendo has only been doing this inovation thing for about 6 years, and they have made some mistakes in the past, but they are getting pretty good at it in todays market. Just look at the DS, that thing is just pure unadulterated secks, other then DVD playing capabilites it blows the PSP out of the water, and they managed to keep the price lower as well. I do forsee the revolution as likely being the graphical midget in the next gen race, much the way the PS2 was in the last gen, but I think thier title lists and incredible inovative policies are going to pull them through. I mean look at the gamecube, the thing is far from the most powerful peice of hardware out thier, but RE4 looks DAMN sexy on it. The revolution isn't going to be less powerful then that!
[edit] my quotes were broken, also, if you missed it, I fixed the spelling in the first article after I got some complaints. Sorry.
The hardest thing that the Revolution will have to deal with... well, 2 hardest things are: 1) "Kiddy games" myth. Thats pretty self explainatory. 2) Name recognition. The reason (IMO) that the playstation 2 was such a smash hit was because of the success of the playstation in luring the casual gamer to the market, en mass. This probably due mostly to the playstation kicking the saturn's **** at 3d (which sega did not see coming) and the N64 not being out for a good while after its release, and the massive 3rd party support. It drew people to associate playstation with console gaming. Worse yet (for Nintendo), Sony knows it. Thats why all their systems are still called "Playstation". As a gamer, I feel the dreamcast was the superior system (it still is damnit!), and was even out before the PS2, but wasn't given a fair chance because of the saturn's failure, and people holding out for the PS2.
It is for these reasons that I don't expect the Big N to "win" the next round, that title will almost certainly go to the PS3. But they'll keep giving me the games I want and the innovation my gamer blood needs to thrive. And maybe, just maybe, they can beat that lousy MS POS console <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I won't buy it... I'm fed up with the console market and have already sold my Xbox (20 bucks less then what i bought it for to!). Looking to sell my PS2, but i really should beat San Andreas first. Hopefully I'll be able to save that money and put it towards upgrading my PC.
Beyond the Halo fanboys, Xbox2 should go down faster then a well paid ****. Why do you think halo 2 lacked an ending? So people would buy this lump of garbage for halo 3 of course. No thanks Microsoft... I'll chose to rent that over a weekend like i should have done with halo 2 (which has been collecting dust for months now). Listen to me now people... Xbox and the halo game series draws a different type of gamer... a drunken college fratboy **** type of gamer. AVOID THE XBOX, RENT HALO 3 IF YOU HAVE TO GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM!!! That or play on a supirior machine when halo 2-3 comes out on the PC.
PS3 and Nintendo's console both intrigue me though... I wish them the best of luck in their next gen consoles.
"die Xbox die!!!" - <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> [X]
PulseTo create, to create and escape.Join Date: 2002-08-29Member: 1248Members, Constellation
edited March 2005
Consoles have been targeted at drunken frat boys ever since the Playstation came to North America. The only exception is Nintendo now, who don't seem to care who buys their console, as long as it's <i>someone</i>.
Any idea when a new perfect dark is suppose to come out? I'm dying for the next one. I hope they port it to the PC too <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*ninja edit* ****
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This game is no longer in development for Nintendo consoles due to Rare being purchased by Microsoft.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Drfuzzy+Mar 28 2005, 09:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Drfuzzy @ Mar 28 2005, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Any idea when a new perfect dark is suppose to come out? I'm dying for the next one. I hope they port it to the PC too <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*ninja edit* ****
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This game is no longer in development for Nintendo consoles due to Rare being purchased by Microsoft.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't hold your breath. The people that made the original Goldeneye and Perfect Dark don't even work for Rare anymore. They all made their own company called Free Radical, (They make the TimeSplitter's series, which sucks. ***.) and then Rare lost the rights to a lot of their big selling games like Donkey Kong and Star Fox to Nintendo. The only thing Rare really has left is Conker.
And BTW, Goldeneye 007 for N64 will never see a DS remake / port, quite simply because EA sucks. R.I.P. the one-and-only good 007 game.
I'm rooting for Nintendo. I don't think I've ever bought a bad game made by them or someone they own. I hope Square gets off its **** and starts making FF7/FFT quality games again on the Revolution. I hope Xbox2 dies and Microsoft quits the console business, if only because Halo sucks.
I think its too early to say anything about any of them. Everything is speculation at this point, even confirmed things, because we all know how they can change...
I'm rooting for all 3 of them. Really, I am. I want to see the big N pull something innovative that makes everyone remember how much they loved them. I want the X-Box 360 or whatever they are going to call it to be a gaming beast, which I'm sure it will be. I want Sony to do whatever needs to be done so long as I get my god damn Metal Gear Solid 4.
Hopes an aspirations aside, here is what I think is going to REALLY happen: - Nintendo is going to come out with something quite unique and revolutionary (like the DS), but no one is going to really care in the long run (like the DS). The system will have some absolutly fantastic hits (Zelda being a no-brainer, maybe Metroid or even Mario), but will mostly hold a place similar to the one the Gamecube holds now. Some will love it, most will not care.
- Sony will have a system that is, performance-wise, in-between the other two. Having been king for so long, they will continue in their tradition of having the PS3 be a complete pain in the **** to develop for, however their fanbase is so huge that developers will put up with it anyway. This system will have more games than the other two, but just like what we have now, most will be crap.
- Microsoft will come out with a box that is still basically a PC-in-a-box (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), and it will be an absolute beast as far as visuals, sound, and performance goes. Online play will be a bigger role, though it will remain a pay-per-month service until the percieved threat from Sony and Nintendo's free online services make MS decide to make it free in hopes of getting more gamers. For developers, it will most assuredly be much easier to develop for than the PS3, however the big N has promised ease of development as a major focus, but I still feel that x-box will be easiest to develop for out of the three. As a side note, the system will still fail to do well in Japan.
You may have noticed that most of my predictions don't read too differently than the current situation of things. History has a tendancy to repeat itself, especially in the video games industry.
1. Online play will be much better integrated and better supported, possibly with Live-style pay to play, possibly with PS2-style free to play, possibly with both options in the ideal world.
2. All consoles will have some kind of built in memory. Not necessarily a hard drive, it can be flash memory or what have you, but buying memory cards gets pretty old.
3. All consoles will have wireless controllers, or at the very least have a Wavebird style first party wireless option. Cords are sooooo 1990.
Oh, and can we have a Mario game that doesn't suck and isn't a port? Thanks.
Some point in time, SEGA after making (and profiting) off of software titles available for all 3 companies in addition to the manufacturing of arcade hardware will come out with a new console. Like the Dreamcast, this will be rediculously easy to develop for and will have perfect ports of many popular arcade games, in addition to a slew of quality first-party and third-party games. It will use a much improved VMU for saving games (and even perhaps come with one in the box >.>) which will have a higher-res screen (not that much higher, though) and longer battery life, and provide a sufficient portable mini-platform with two-player compatibilty just as the last one did. It will also have extremely low-latency and high-bandwidth transfer rates to allow for an extension of the HUD onto the VMU, which clever developers will make extremely good use of. Sega's controller will have a button layout similar to the Saturn or 6-button Genesis controllers, with shoulder buttons. Some analog buttons will have to go in somewhere but who cares? It will be very small, again use a cheap variation of a common storage format (DVD or whatever's popular at the time) to make production costs low while discouraging pirating (though of course someone'll still do it). It will include a built-in broadband adapter and SegaNet will spring back into action. Easy ports of popular games like Half-Life 2 and Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory will make their way onto the new console, in part thanks to the reused and very advantageous dual-OS setup: One proprietary Sega OS and a version of Windows CE which supports the latest OpenGL and DirectX versions. Valve will be awesome and come up with technology that allows for the Steam software and Source engine to be loaded into memory, and allow for hot-swapping of MODs onto the console through burnt DVDs or whatever the wave of the future is (through a PC application released through Steam). The console will feature an accessory which is, in a nutshell, a harddrive that will allow for MP3 functions similar to that of X-Box. However, games can be built with support for it or it can be called up via a combination of buttons on the Dreamcast controller and be played at will. Years later, Nintendo, who's losing a large amount of market share to the new XBox and PS3, will merge with SEGA in desparation. Many crossover games will ensue, and the next generation of Nintendo games will be ensured quailty exsistence on well-tested and developed SEGA hardware. SEGA's CPU won't quite match the Cell, but SEGA will find ways around this. The new Nintendo/Sega merger holds 60-70% of the Japanese market while holding 30-40% of the American market, which is being dominated by the PS3/4, with XBox coming in 2nd and SEGA finishing third. NeoGeo developers come back to life somehow. My life is wonderful!
What will really happen: Genesis, SNES, Dreamcast will remain the consoles that stay plugged in. Maybe I'll get that new Nintendo system. SEGA will make some games that won't sell that well here and eventually will only produce 1-2 published titles a year for the American markets, the rest will have to be ordered online. The titles that do make it to the shelves will be the new version of Phantasy Star and another Sonic game featuring a lack of Sonic. Billy Gates dies of a heart attack and all XBox units explode. The US government takes this as an attack by rouge states in Australlia and begins World War III. Nuclear holocaust ensues and there's no more life on Earth except for that creepy guy who was really paranoid and had like, eight nuclear shelters. But he'll die of starvation and/or suffocation. Barney becomes the lord of Hell.
I doubt they would burn through batteries really fast, but rather than using regular batteries, maybe it could use a rechargeable pack that you can plug into the console just to charge it. I'd prefer this so you could unplug it if you want but otherwise you can plug it in and let it charge while you play.
Getting batteries isn't a big deal, but rechargeability would be nice.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 29 2005, 01:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 29 2005, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think its too early to say anything about any of them. Everything is speculation at this point, even confirmed things, because we all know how they can change...
I'm rooting for all 3 of them. Really, I am. I want to see the big N pull something innovative that makes everyone remember how much they loved them. I want the X-Box 360 or whatever they are going to call it to be a gaming beast, which I'm sure it will be. I want Sony to do whatever needs to be done so long as I get my god damn Metal Gear Solid 4.
Hopes an aspirations aside, here is what I think is going to REALLY happen: - Nintendo is going to come out with something quite unique and revolutionary (like the DS), but no one is going to really care in the long run (like the DS). The system will have some absolutly fantastic hits (Zelda being a no-brainer, maybe Metroid or even Mario), but will mostly hold a place similar to the one the Gamecube holds now. Some will love it, most will not care. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I personally hope for a little more excitement to be generated in the nintendo market. I mean if you follow the figures nintendo pretty much crashed in terms of its console production success towards the end of N64 generation. The 64 just had NOTHING for it other then a few titles that sony didn't get. Pretty much the whole lifespan of the gamecube has been raising market numbers from the crash that happened late 64 gen. The Cube certianly isn't the big player in the console war at this point, but it's popularity is surprizingly quite signifigant compared to the old 64 as that generation closed, and it still costs a hell of alot less then both the PS2 and the Xbox, dispite the fact that its hardware is acctually somewhere between the two in quality. I don't know if the hardcore inovation stance is going to win out in the next gen, expecially since nintendo doesn't appear to be catering to the low cost bracket the way they did with the cube as much as last time (which might be smart in light of the box's plans to produce a bottom line low cost model), but I hope they still see rising numbers off the back of the cube with the revolution rather then thier market just stagnating.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Sony will have a system that is, performance-wise, in-between the other two. Having been king for so long, they will continue in their tradition of having the PS3 be a complete pain in the **** to develop for, however their fanbase is so huge that developers will put up with it anyway. This system will have more games than the other two, but just like what we have now, most will be crap.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Based on the limited design specs produced so far, it looks like the PS3 will have no problem holding the top spot in terms of sheer hardware power in the next gen, both graphically and in gameplay calculations. I would wager that you are correct about the development environment being **** to work with, but realisticly, did that play much of a role AT ALL in the last console generation? You are right, due to thier plans to beat the other consoles out of the gate again, it looks like thier system will most likely hold the advantage in terms of numbers of titles like the last gen. But the question must be posed... relations between nintendo and third party developers have been much more friendly cube era then they were 64 era... I mean squaresoft is producing almost as many nintendo titles these days as they are PS titles... You need to ask your self, does the most games really mean that much in retrospect if there are realitively few quality tiltles swimming in the sewage that the standard game market likes to produce? I know I'm not very intersted in buying a console if all I can play on it is film title game. Also I don't have very high hopes for the online support capabilities of the PS3... Where microsoft and most likely nintendo will both probably provide fairly advanced online interfaces with thier consoles, I don't forsee sony putting much more resourses into it then they did last generation.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Microsoft will come out with a box that is still basically a PC-in-a-box (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), and it will be an absolute beast as far as visuals, sound, and performance goes. Online play will be a bigger role, though it will remain a pay-per-month service until the percieved threat from Sony and Nintendo's free online services make MS decide to make it free in hopes of getting more gamers. For developers, it will most assuredly be much easier to develop for than the PS3, however the big N has promised ease of development as a major focus, but I still feel that x-box will be easiest to develop for out of the three. As a side note, the system will still fail to do well in Japan.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Pretty much on the mark here. The only thing I would even hope to ammend is that the sony PS3 will most likely show up the new box as far as visuals sound and preformance though... Looks like the next gen Xbox might acctually go the way of your standard issue computer that you just happen to plug into your TV. Expect to see internet browsing action and possibly even media PC functions in the high level production Xbox. I can only speculate on how much the three builds will differ in terms of feature friendlyness though. Where Xbox will provide incredible high end online support, you will see the PS3 looking less like a computer and more like the center of an entertainment unit. PS3 will probably provide surround sound audio functions, high level DVD playing capabilites, and pretty much everything else you would expect from any type of device you would plug into a television, but I would be REALLY surprized to see even low level web browsing included in the interface.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You may have noticed that most of my predictions don't read too differently than the current situation of things. History has a tendancy to repeat itself, especially in the video games industry.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> IIRC the playstation was a much better console then the N64 in pretty much every sense of the word. Better titles, better power, better features, and better price. Comparitively I would argue that the cube has better power, better titles, and a better price in the generation. True there are only so many roles to be fulfilled in the gaming market, but it looks like the companies are trading roles a little bit in this next gen compared to the order that was established in the last gen.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have three hopes for all next-gen consoles.
1. Online play will be much better integrated and better supported, possibly with Live-style pay to play, possibly with PS2-style free to play, possibly with both options in the ideal world.
2. All consoles will have some kind of built in memory. Not necessarily a hard drive, it can be flash memory or what have you, but buying memory cards gets pretty old.
3. All consoles will have wireless controllers, or at the very least have a Wavebird style first party wireless option. Cords are sooooo 1990.
Oh, and can we have a Mario game that doesn't suck and isn't a port? Thanks.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I don't know about the wireless controller part... it is possible but I somehow doubt all three will catch on, least of all the PS3. Other then thay you are pretty on the money there, both online play and build in memory seems to be a recuring feature in the design specs of the new consoles, I don't know if memory cards will disappear intirely however, expecially as the low level Xbox is rumored to not acctually include a harddrive at all. Most likely sony and ninteno will include them as features as well, even if they aren't nessicary any longer. No one likes to drag thier console to thier friends house to play on thier save when thier friend already has the same console and the same game... I really like cold nite's idea for wireless controllers, I would love to see that used by at least one of the consoles (I would guess that nintendo would do it, but the ports on the front of the revolution in the design sketches are very reminicint of GCN ports, so I'm not holding my breath at this point)
@crono5: rofl, I wish the world were perfect too. Imagine what could happen if the minds behind the sega consoles teamed up with the crazy inovative nuts at nintendo. Rest assured a nintendo/sega merger would be more then enough to keep both developers in a high place as far as being a household name is concerned.
I doubt they would burn through batteries really fast, but rather than using regular batteries, maybe it could use a rechargeable pack that you can plug into the console just to charge it. I'd prefer this so you could unplug it if you want but otherwise you can plug it in and let it charge while you play.
Getting batteries isn't a big deal, but rechargeability would be nice. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> FTW
I might jump to Sony's boat because of the amount of games they hold, but at the same time, I'll have to see what's in Nintendo's booth. I've been a Nintboy for too long only to be disappointed time after time. Hopefully, this year will change.
I doubt they would burn through batteries really fast, but rather than using regular batteries, maybe it could use a rechargeable pack that you can plug into the console just to charge it. I'd prefer this so you could unplug it if you want but otherwise you can plug it in and let it charge while you play.
Getting batteries isn't a big deal, but rechargeability would be nice. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> FTW
I might jump to Sony's boat because of the amount of games they hold, but at the same time, I'll have to see what's in Nintendo's booth. I've been a Nintboy for too long only to be disappointed time after time. Hopefully, this year will change.
And Timesplitters owns jor lenderhosen. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ya, that one kindof cheesed me off too. Timesplitters was no perfect dark or halo, but as console based shooters go it was an EXCELLENT game.
I don't see why everyone says the GC was such a failure. It was powerful, small, cheap, could be left on for a week without overheating, and the quality titles were completely, absolutely amazing.
Just because it doesn't have the volume of the PS2 library...
Actually the PS2 being hard to develop for did have some impact; some of capcom's games designers refused to work with it (most noticably the man of charge of Resident Evil; hence the sudden jump to GC which he claimed he much preferred creating for :3 ). Capcom the company, however, didn't want to miss out on the PS2 which was still selling well so they got a seperate team to do the Resi Online game for the PS2... heck they're probably the same team that'll port RE4 over to the PS2 :p
Still... the 'playstation' holds a fierce grip on the marketting and I still have to educate people that not all consoles are called 'playstation' but it's not as bad as the N64/PSX days thankfully... they at least seem to know what an xbox and Gamecube are now ^^;
Ton of Xbox haters here, but I'll just ignore that because my true loyalty is to the PC...
Anyways, can someone tell me why Revolution and all its innovation is so great? As far as I'm concerned, the innovation needs to be on the part of the game devlopers, not the hardware. We have something that works well already, right now it would seem that PS3 is my first choice among the new consoles simply because the power it has will allow developers to create more innovative games (though it could be argued that this power is a double-edged sword when it comes to innovation, and it will be more expensive in both time and money to develop for).
Whatever, if you are offended by this post (in which case you are a fanboy without any hope of redemption), sorry because I didn't intend it to be.
I just want to know why Revolution is so great, especially with its supposed inferior hardware.
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The fact that you like the Xbox offends me. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with all you people with opinions that are different from mine, I mean <i>WTH</i>.
<span style='font-size:5pt;line-height:100%'>I wish I had an Xbox.</span>
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But in my heart, I know PS3 will still be king. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Being the Sega fanboy, I will cry myself to sleep, wake up, and play Dreamcast for the next six to eight years. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm right there with you, playing Crazy Taxi for eternity. However, I'm also a Big-N fanboy and they aren't out of the race yet.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So this system looks like it is going to be your regular ordinary household flying saucer. Dispite the fact that I may think it looks like a pressure cooker, I honestly have to say this thing really has me impressed. From what I have seen, nintendo seems to be looking to meet to mid/low pricerange market with this product, so I kindof doubt it will compete with the power of the other consoles in the tradtional sense, but I see lots of room for advancements that I don't belive the other consoles will be able to touch. It looks as if nintendo's primary goal here is to really encorage inovation in the market possibly even at the expense if being able to pump out the graphically astonishing games with the real time lightcasting and the hyperrealistic physics effects. I have heard that Nintendo possibly has the patent for gyroscopic controllers, so we may see a embodyment of that in the Revoltion's user interface, but so far the only official statement from Nintendo is that they haven't decided on a primary control system yet, but they promise that whatever they choose will prioritize inovation and ease of use for the user.
The other main mentionable feature is that this thing appears to have online/multiplayer support that will absolutly slaughter the current Xbox live system. The console comes with Wi-Fi built in, and with the current online capabilities of the nintendo DS, I really don't think it is a long shot to assume that nintendo is shooting to monopolize the inovative market in terms of online gaming in the next gen race. I would not be surprized to see some really cool user to user interfaces that just kindof make you drop your jaw and go "WTH, that is awesome" coming out of the Revolution development teams, and no doubt the DS/Revoltion interface will be nothing short of remarkable. Also it is worth mentioning that unlike past incarnations of nintendo systems, the revolution will be fully backwards compatable with GCN titles, and will have a built in DVD player. It's nice to see nintendo following the trend and finally including those two nifty little addtions that GCN users have been sorely missing in this last generation. Finally it is rumored that the Revolution will be shipped with a 15 meg harddrive, which is never a bad thing in a console.
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Nintendo fanboy-ness aside, I really thing thats a great idea! Ecept for the DVD playing capabilites, which are uterly useless to anyone who already has a friggen DVD player.
Anyway, I don't see why the PS2 sells anymore; I suppose people buy it for GTA, FF and MGS games...but it doesn't really have anything else (although, based on that example the Xbox has Halo, Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell on Live and the likes of KotOR and Jade Empire, which isn't out yet); thus the GameCube should really reign supreme (but those congo drums are retarded <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
I'll probably go with a Revolution first...then maybe an Xbox 2/Xenon/4x4x4ActionBrick/XboxNext/xXxboxXx/etc later, possibly dependent on when Halo 3 and Ninja Gaiden 2 decide to come out.
Yes because no one cares about Gran Turismo, Tekken, ratchet and clank, sly...
I own a Gamecube and an Xbox currently, and I really wish I had kept my PS2 at times. There are alot of quality titles available for it.
Let's hope it has something revolutionary like the connection GameCube/GBA was! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is that sarcasm? Because I can't tell.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's funny because I was having the same problem. I just chose to ignore the statement before though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your sarcasm-detecting-force is getting weaker.
Dynasty Warriors 5.
Heaven is achieved.
**** it,all I need is a next-gen DW and I'm happy. Up yours X-Box and Revolution. (though if Rev brings out a v.v.v.v good Metroid 3d again....hmmm)
I wish sega were coming out with something <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Maybe they will sometime...because they just merged with sammy (in 2004).
That's funny because I was having the same problem. I just chose to ignore the statement before though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your sarcasm-detecting-force is getting weaker. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I judge sarcasm on an individual basis. I couldn't remember any previous posts of yours to reference whether you were a sarcastic person or not.
Though I agree my sarcasm detector is weak.
Anyway, I don't see why the PS2 sells anymore; I suppose people buy it for GTA, FF and MGS games...but it doesn't really have anything else (although, based on that example the Xbox has Halo, Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell on Live and the likes of KotOR and Jade Empire, which isn't out yet); thus the GameCube should really reign supreme (but those congo drums are retarded <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
I'll probably go with a Revolution first...then maybe an Xbox 2/Xenon/4x4x4ActionBrick/XboxNext/xXxboxXx/etc later, possibly dependent on when Halo 3 and Ninja Gaiden 2 decide to come out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By rumor Xbox 2 and Revolution will both be backwards compatable. Microsoft is designing the next Xbox chip rather then marketing it out to Nvidea again, but apparently one of the top priorities was that it remained compatable with the x86 development envorionment, dispite the fact that Xbox2 titles are going to be built in a totally different environment.
<!--QuoteBegin-SillyGoose+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SillyGoose)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes because no one cares about Gran Turismo, Tekken, ratchet and clank, sly...
I own a Gamecube and an Xbox currently, and I really wish I had kept my PS2 at times. There are alot of quality titles available for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
IMHO sony had the strongest developer contracting platform in the onset of the PS2, and because of it for the longest time they had the highest concentration of quality titles. That has started to shift outwards towards the end of the PS2 lifespan... but in all honesty I am extreamly tempted to buy a PS3 ONLY for the GT and Tekken series, and I can't help but be swayed by the actions of sqauresoft, but I forsee alot more cooperation between square and nintendo in the next gen market.
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Dynasty Warriors 5.
Heaven is achieved.
**** it,all I need is a next-gen DW and I'm happy. Up yours X-Box and Revolution. (though if Rev brings out a v.v.v.v good Metroid 3d again....hmmm)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Last time I went with a PS2 because they quite simply had the most quality titles when I was looking to buy. I have a thing against going with a console for only one or two titles, I prefer quantity over loyalty when it comes to my gaming.
<!--QuoteBegin-Khaim+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Khaim)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, I'm all for the Revolution on this one. The Console games market really is already begining to stagnating on the PS and XBOX systems. Sure, Nintendo has had some bad and/or failed innovations in the past, but at LEAST they're trying *something*. Unlike a lot of the other companies out there. :/ *cough, EA, cough.*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. Nintendo has only been doing this inovation thing for about 6 years, and they have made some mistakes in the past, but they are getting pretty good at it in todays market. Just look at the DS, that thing is just pure unadulterated secks, other then DVD playing capabilites it blows the PSP out of the water, and they managed to keep the price lower as well. I do forsee the revolution as likely being the graphical midget in the next gen race, much the way the PS2 was in the last gen, but I think thier title lists and incredible inovative policies are going to pull them through. I mean look at the gamecube, the thing is far from the most powerful peice of hardware out thier, but RE4 looks DAMN sexy on it. The revolution isn't going to be less powerful then that!
[edit] my quotes were broken, also, if you missed it, I fixed the spelling in the first article after I got some complaints. Sorry.
1) "Kiddy games" myth. Thats pretty self explainatory.
2) Name recognition. The reason (IMO) that the playstation 2 was such a smash hit was because of the success of the playstation in luring the casual gamer to the market, en mass. This probably due mostly to the playstation kicking the saturn's **** at 3d (which sega did not see coming) and the N64 not being out for a good while after its release, and the massive 3rd party support. It drew people to associate playstation with console gaming. Worse yet (for Nintendo), Sony knows it. Thats why all their systems are still called "Playstation". As a gamer, I feel the dreamcast was the superior system (it still is damnit!), and was even out before the PS2, but wasn't given a fair chance because of the saturn's failure, and people holding out for the PS2.
It is for these reasons that I don't expect the Big N to "win" the next round, that title will almost certainly go to the PS3. But they'll keep giving me the games I want and the innovation my gamer blood needs to thrive. And maybe, just maybe, they can beat that lousy MS POS console <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Beyond the Halo fanboys, Xbox2 should go down faster then a well paid ****. Why do you think halo 2 lacked an ending? So people would buy this lump of garbage for halo 3 of course. No thanks Microsoft... I'll chose to rent that over a weekend like i should have done with halo 2 (which has been collecting dust for months now). Listen to me now people... Xbox and the halo game series draws a different type of gamer... a drunken college fratboy **** type of gamer. AVOID THE XBOX, RENT HALO 3 IF YOU HAVE TO GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM!!! That or play on a supirior machine when halo 2-3 comes out on the PC.
PS3 and Nintendo's console both intrigue me though... I wish them the best of luck in their next gen consoles.
"die Xbox die!!!" - <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> [X]
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*ninja edit* ****
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*ninja edit* ****
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Don't hold your breath. The people that made the original Goldeneye and Perfect Dark don't even work for Rare anymore. They all made their own company called Free Radical, (They make the TimeSplitter's series, which sucks. ***.) and then Rare lost the rights to a lot of their big selling games like Donkey Kong and Star Fox to Nintendo. The only thing Rare really has left is Conker.
And BTW, Goldeneye 007 for N64 will never see a DS remake / port, quite simply because EA sucks. R.I.P. the one-and-only good 007 game.
I'm rooting for all 3 of them. Really, I am. I want to see the big N pull something innovative that makes everyone remember how much they loved them. I want the X-Box 360 or whatever they are going to call it to be a gaming beast, which I'm sure it will be. I want Sony to do whatever needs to be done so long as I get my god damn Metal Gear Solid 4.
Hopes an aspirations aside, here is what I think is going to REALLY happen:
- Nintendo is going to come out with something quite unique and revolutionary (like the DS), but no one is going to really care in the long run (like the DS). The system will have some absolutly fantastic hits (Zelda being a no-brainer, maybe Metroid or even Mario), but will mostly hold a place similar to the one the Gamecube holds now. Some will love it, most will not care.
- Sony will have a system that is, performance-wise, in-between the other two. Having been king for so long, they will continue in their tradition of having the PS3 be a complete pain in the **** to develop for, however their fanbase is so huge that developers will put up with it anyway. This system will have more games than the other two, but just like what we have now, most will be crap.
- Microsoft will come out with a box that is still basically a PC-in-a-box (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), and it will be an absolute beast as far as visuals, sound, and performance goes. Online play will be a bigger role, though it will remain a pay-per-month service until the percieved threat from Sony and Nintendo's free online services make MS decide to make it free in hopes of getting more gamers. For developers, it will most assuredly be much easier to develop for than the PS3, however the big N has promised ease of development as a major focus, but I still feel that x-box will be easiest to develop for out of the three. As a side note, the system will still fail to do well in Japan.
You may have noticed that most of my predictions don't read too differently than the current situation of things. History has a tendancy to repeat itself, especially in the video games industry.
1. Online play will be much better integrated and better supported, possibly with Live-style pay to play, possibly with PS2-style free to play, possibly with both options in the ideal world.
2. All consoles will have some kind of built in memory. Not necessarily a hard drive, it can be flash memory or what have you, but buying memory cards gets pretty old.
3. All consoles will have wireless controllers, or at the very least have a Wavebird style first party wireless option. Cords are sooooo 1990.
Oh, and can we have a Mario game that doesn't suck and isn't a port? Thanks.
Some point in time, SEGA after making (and profiting) off of software titles available for all 3 companies in addition to the manufacturing of arcade hardware will come out with a new console. Like the Dreamcast, this will be rediculously easy to develop for and will have perfect ports of many popular arcade games, in addition to a slew of quality first-party and third-party games. It will use a much improved VMU for saving games (and even perhaps come with one in the box >.>) which will have a higher-res screen (not that much higher, though) and longer battery life, and provide a sufficient portable mini-platform with two-player compatibilty just as the last one did. It will also have extremely low-latency and high-bandwidth transfer rates to allow for an extension of the HUD onto the VMU, which clever developers will make extremely good use of. Sega's controller will have a button layout similar to the Saturn or 6-button Genesis controllers, with shoulder buttons. Some analog buttons will have to go in somewhere but who cares? It will be very small, again use a cheap variation of a common storage format (DVD or whatever's popular at the time) to make production costs low while discouraging pirating (though of course someone'll still do it). It will include a built-in broadband adapter and SegaNet will spring back into action. Easy ports of popular games like Half-Life 2 and Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory will make their way onto the new console, in part thanks to the reused and very advantageous dual-OS setup: One proprietary Sega OS and a version of Windows CE which supports the latest OpenGL and DirectX versions. Valve will be awesome and come up with technology that allows for the Steam software and Source engine to be loaded into memory, and allow for hot-swapping of MODs onto the console through burnt DVDs or whatever the wave of the future is (through a PC application released through Steam). The console will feature an accessory which is, in a nutshell, a harddrive that will allow for MP3 functions similar to that of X-Box. However, games can be built with support for it or it can be called up via a combination of buttons on the Dreamcast controller and be played at will. Years later, Nintendo, who's losing a large amount of market share to the new XBox and PS3, will merge with SEGA in desparation. Many crossover games will ensue, and the next generation of Nintendo games will be ensured quailty exsistence on well-tested and developed SEGA hardware. SEGA's CPU won't quite match the Cell, but SEGA will find ways around this. The new Nintendo/Sega merger holds 60-70% of the Japanese market while holding 30-40% of the American market, which is being dominated by the PS3/4, with XBox coming in 2nd and SEGA finishing third. NeoGeo developers come back to life somehow. My life is wonderful!
What will really happen:
Genesis, SNES, Dreamcast will remain the consoles that stay plugged in. Maybe I'll get that new Nintendo system. SEGA will make some games that won't sell that well here and eventually will only produce 1-2 published titles a year for the American markets, the rest will have to be ordered online. The titles that do make it to the shelves will be the new version of Phantasy Star and another Sonic game featuring a lack of Sonic. Billy Gates dies of a heart attack and all XBox units explode. The US government takes this as an attack by rouge states in Australlia and begins World War III. Nuclear holocaust ensues and there's no more life on Earth except for that creepy guy who was really paranoid and had like, eight nuclear shelters. But he'll die of starvation and/or suffocation. Barney becomes the lord of Hell.
I doubt they would burn through batteries really fast, but rather than using regular batteries, maybe it could use a rechargeable pack that you can plug into the console just to charge it. I'd prefer this so you could unplug it if you want but otherwise you can plug it in and let it charge while you play.
Getting batteries isn't a big deal, but rechargeability would be nice.
I'm rooting for all 3 of them. Really, I am. I want to see the big N pull something innovative that makes everyone remember how much they loved them. I want the X-Box 360 or whatever they are going to call it to be a gaming beast, which I'm sure it will be. I want Sony to do whatever needs to be done so long as I get my god damn Metal Gear Solid 4.
Hopes an aspirations aside, here is what I think is going to REALLY happen:
- Nintendo is going to come out with something quite unique and revolutionary (like the DS), but no one is going to really care in the long run (like the DS). The system will have some absolutly fantastic hits (Zelda being a no-brainer, maybe Metroid or even Mario), but will mostly hold a place similar to the one the Gamecube holds now. Some will love it, most will not care. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I personally hope for a little more excitement to be generated in the nintendo market. I mean if you follow the figures nintendo pretty much crashed in terms of its console production success towards the end of N64 generation. The 64 just had NOTHING for it other then a few titles that sony didn't get. Pretty much the whole lifespan of the gamecube has been raising market numbers from the crash that happened late 64 gen. The Cube certianly isn't the big player in the console war at this point, but it's popularity is surprizingly quite signifigant compared to the old 64 as that generation closed, and it still costs a hell of alot less then both the PS2 and the Xbox, dispite the fact that its hardware is acctually somewhere between the two in quality. I don't know if the hardcore inovation stance is going to win out in the next gen, expecially since nintendo doesn't appear to be catering to the low cost bracket the way they did with the cube as much as last time (which might be smart in light of the box's plans to produce a bottom line low cost model), but I hope they still see rising numbers off the back of the cube with the revolution rather then thier market just stagnating.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Sony will have a system that is, performance-wise, in-between the other two. Having been king for so long, they will continue in their tradition of having the PS3 be a complete pain in the **** to develop for, however their fanbase is so huge that developers will put up with it anyway. This system will have more games than the other two, but just like what we have now, most will be crap.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Based on the limited design specs produced so far, it looks like the PS3 will have no problem holding the top spot in terms of sheer hardware power in the next gen, both graphically and in gameplay calculations. I would wager that you are correct about the development environment being **** to work with, but realisticly, did that play much of a role AT ALL in the last console generation? You are right, due to thier plans to beat the other consoles out of the gate again, it looks like thier system will most likely hold the advantage in terms of numbers of titles like the last gen. But the question must be posed... relations between nintendo and third party developers have been much more friendly cube era then they were 64 era... I mean squaresoft is producing almost as many nintendo titles these days as they are PS titles... You need to ask your self, does the most games really mean that much in retrospect if there are realitively few quality tiltles swimming in the sewage that the standard game market likes to produce? I know I'm not very intersted in buying a console if all I can play on it is film title game. Also I don't have very high hopes for the online support capabilities of the PS3... Where microsoft and most likely nintendo will both probably provide fairly advanced online interfaces with thier consoles, I don't forsee sony putting much more resourses into it then they did last generation.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Microsoft will come out with a box that is still basically a PC-in-a-box (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), and it will be an absolute beast as far as visuals, sound, and performance goes. Online play will be a bigger role, though it will remain a pay-per-month service until the percieved threat from Sony and Nintendo's free online services make MS decide to make it free in hopes of getting more gamers. For developers, it will most assuredly be much easier to develop for than the PS3, however the big N has promised ease of development as a major focus, but I still feel that x-box will be easiest to develop for out of the three. As a side note, the system will still fail to do well in Japan.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pretty much on the mark here. The only thing I would even hope to ammend is that the sony PS3 will most likely show up the new box as far as visuals sound and preformance though... Looks like the next gen Xbox might acctually go the way of your standard issue computer that you just happen to plug into your TV. Expect to see internet browsing action and possibly even media PC functions in the high level production Xbox. I can only speculate on how much the three builds will differ in terms of feature friendlyness though. Where Xbox will provide incredible high end online support, you will see the PS3 looking less like a computer and more like the center of an entertainment unit. PS3 will probably provide surround sound audio functions, high level DVD playing capabilites, and pretty much everything else you would expect from any type of device you would plug into a television, but I would be REALLY surprized to see even low level web browsing included in the interface.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You may have noticed that most of my predictions don't read too differently than the current situation of things. History has a tendancy to repeat itself, especially in the video games industry.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
IIRC the playstation was a much better console then the N64 in pretty much every sense of the word. Better titles, better power, better features, and better price. Comparitively I would argue that the cube has better power, better titles, and a better price in the generation. True there are only so many roles to be fulfilled in the gaming market, but it looks like the companies are trading roles a little bit in this next gen compared to the order that was established in the last gen.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have three hopes for all next-gen consoles.
1. Online play will be much better integrated and better supported, possibly with Live-style pay to play, possibly with PS2-style free to play, possibly with both options in the ideal world.
2. All consoles will have some kind of built in memory. Not necessarily a hard drive, it can be flash memory or what have you, but buying memory cards gets pretty old.
3. All consoles will have wireless controllers, or at the very least have a Wavebird style first party wireless option. Cords are sooooo 1990.
Oh, and can we have a Mario game that doesn't suck and isn't a port? Thanks.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I don't know about the wireless controller part... it is possible but I somehow doubt all three will catch on, least of all the PS3. Other then thay you are pretty on the money there, both online play and build in memory seems to be a recuring feature in the design specs of the new consoles, I don't know if memory cards will disappear intirely however, expecially as the low level Xbox is rumored to not acctually include a harddrive at all. Most likely sony and ninteno will include them as features as well, even if they aren't nessicary any longer. No one likes to drag thier console to thier friends house to play on thier save when thier friend already has the same console and the same game... I really like cold nite's idea for wireless controllers, I would love to see that used by at least one of the consoles (I would guess that nintendo would do it, but the ports on the front of the revolution in the design sketches are very reminicint of GCN ports, so I'm not holding my breath at this point)
@crono5: rofl, I wish the world were perfect too. Imagine what could happen if the minds behind the sega consoles teamed up with the crazy inovative nuts at nintendo. Rest assured a nintendo/sega merger would be more then enough to keep both developers in a high place as far as being a household name is concerned.
I doubt they would burn through batteries really fast, but rather than using regular batteries, maybe it could use a rechargeable pack that you can plug into the console just to charge it. I'd prefer this so you could unplug it if you want but otherwise you can plug it in and let it charge while you play.
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FTW
I might jump to Sony's boat because of the amount of games they hold, but at the same time, I'll have to see what's in Nintendo's booth. I've been a Nintboy for too long only to be disappointed time after time. Hopefully, this year will change.
And Timesplitters owns jor lenderhosen. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I doubt they would burn through batteries really fast, but rather than using regular batteries, maybe it could use a rechargeable pack that you can plug into the console just to charge it. I'd prefer this so you could unplug it if you want but otherwise you can plug it in and let it charge while you play.
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FTW
I might jump to Sony's boat because of the amount of games they hold, but at the same time, I'll have to see what's in Nintendo's booth. I've been a Nintboy for too long only to be disappointed time after time. Hopefully, this year will change.
And Timesplitters owns jor lenderhosen. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ya, that one kindof cheesed me off too. Timesplitters was no perfect dark or halo, but as console based shooters go it was an EXCELLENT game.
Just because it doesn't have the volume of the PS2 library...
Still... the 'playstation' holds a fierce grip on the marketting and I still have to educate people that not all consoles are called 'playstation' but it's not as bad as the N64/PSX days thankfully... they at least seem to know what an xbox and Gamecube are now ^^;
I swear I'd buy any console just to play it.....
Zelda: the Legend of Panzer Dragoon.
Mario Party and the Super Monkey Ball.
One can dream.
Anyways, can someone tell me why Revolution and all its innovation is so great? As far as I'm concerned, the innovation needs to be on the part of the game devlopers, not the hardware. We have something that works well already, right now it would seem that PS3 is my first choice among the new consoles simply because the power it has will allow developers to create more innovative games (though it could be argued that this power is a double-edged sword when it comes to innovation, and it will be more expensive in both time and money to develop for).
Whatever, if you are offended by this post (in which case you are a fanboy without any hope of redemption), sorry because I didn't intend it to be.
I just want to know why Revolution is so great, especially with its supposed inferior hardware.
<span style='font-size:5pt;line-height:100%'>I wish I had an Xbox.</span>