Jet Packers And Vents On Co Maps
niaccurshi
Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11629Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11629Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Get my balls in a twist!</div> Will co mappers please realise that from now on they should SHIELD the end of a vent so that if they are camping at one end they cannot see the hive and the entire hive room and pick off any alien that comes by...while avoiding onoses completely and being able to retreat fast enough into a confined space that skulks become mincemeat?!
Offending maps, I'm looking at you...
Co_sava
Co_Daimos
Co_pulse (I think, I'm having a bad memory moment)
It's obvious that jet packs aren't going to get a nerf because it'd be stupid for classic, and I wouldn't want to see that nerf made...but by god, can co mappers begin to realise that games are not fun when they're being dictated by lame shites that decide they want to vent camp with absolutely no penalty in doing so?
Shield your vents (see ns_nancy) so that jpers have to actually come out into the open if they want to do anything rather than just frag ****.
Offending maps, I'm looking at you...
Co_sava
Co_Daimos
Co_pulse (I think, I'm having a bad memory moment)
It's obvious that jet packs aren't going to get a nerf because it'd be stupid for classic, and I wouldn't want to see that nerf made...but by god, can co mappers begin to realise that games are not fun when they're being dictated by lame shites that decide they want to vent camp with absolutely no penalty in doing so?
Shield your vents (see ns_nancy) so that jpers have to actually come out into the open if they want to do anything rather than just frag ****.
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Offending maps, I'm looking at you...
Co_sava
Co_Daimos
Co_pulse (I think, I'm having a bad memory moment)
It's obvious that jet packs aren't going to get a nerf because it'd be stupid for classic, and I wouldn't want to see that nerf made...but by god, can co mappers begin to realise that games are not fun when they're being dictated by lame shites that decide they want to vent camp with absolutely no penalty in doing so?
Shield your vents (see ns_nancy) so that jpers have to actually come out into the open if they want to do anything rather than just frag ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
CO mappers in general need to realize that JPs are going to be a major factor in thier maps. Ninevus for instance. There is no horrible offending vents, but the hive room is a NIGHTMARE to get JPs out of. They can just fly around freely on the cieling landing on the various peices of architexture up there almost indefintaly. It is hard to get them out with fades lerks and skulks because there is so many perches, and onos and gorge just can't touch them. Plus the hive is so high off the ground that gorges have a hard time healing it without the JP swooping down and absolutly slaying them every few seconds.
Offending maps, I'm looking at you...
Co_sava
Co_Daimos
Co_pulse (I think, I'm having a bad memory moment)
It's obvious that jet packs aren't going to get a nerf because it'd be stupid for classic, and I wouldn't want to see that nerf made...but by god, can co mappers begin to realise that games are not fun when they're being dictated by lame shites that decide they want to vent camp with absolutely no penalty in doing so?
Shield your vents (see ns_nancy) so that jpers have to actually come out into the open if they want to do anything rather than just frag ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi my name is a timelimit.
Don't extend me~
We are of course, talking about *fun* here, not who wins and who loses. Since when has Co been about which team wins and loses? Are there actually proper regulated league battles for Co? Co is played on public servers, and as such needs to be tuned for fun above all else. Right now the way maps are designed to let JP's **** over everything in the alien spawn area is not helping that.
and besides..."winning" as an alien through time limit expiring just because they didn't get off their arse and kill the hive instead of killing you is not exactly a fun win either. It's more fun overall for the marines in that situation.
That's why you reapply them and kill the GL guy.
Spore him? Resupply, nuff said.
Get in there and kil him? The vents are all designed with some long stretch in them, meaning all the JPer has to do is jp backwards and posibly turn a bit and then they have an entire shooting range to attack the oncoming aliens in. And with a HMG it'll make quick work of anything, fade included, on a combat map.
The JPer can see everything thats coming, be in relative safety and ultimately craft the environment to his (unnecessary) advantage. Vents should be able to be used by JPers to move around the map, sure, thats one plus of the JP...but should they also be giving the marines an advantage in a specifically alien specific part of the map?
Vents are usually air ducts! A marine cramped up in them can somehow manage to jp around freely back and forth. This really bugs me, but I can live with it if at least the mappers of Co maps begin to acknowledge that (along with the huge hive room sizes) jpers get these stupid advantages on Co because they <b>don't have to worry about dying like they do in classic</b>
They can happily sit there with what is effectively good commander support, picking off anything and everything. They see when you're trying to get in the vent and respond accordingly by simply moving back and killing you with their long range and extremely narrow field of fire.
Once again, I state, this isn't about winning or losing the game, it's about having fun....of which JP's sitting in vents and spawn camping/killing or being able to have the run of a hive room thanks to the stupid height and size of them, is not conducive.
Why there actually isnt more than mayb 2 jps on average game? all the top1 has jps so why dont they have it?
1 gorge = prolonged game untill the aliens win due to time limit <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
oh and dont increas time limits.
Vents in hive rooms need to be "JP unfriendly" so that they need to come out in the open if they want to attack anything. Rooms also need to be average to JPers, giving them a degree of advantage, but not to the degree that skulks might as well just give up unless they're particularly skilled as the room is far too high, and at those heights the JPer can STILL shoot the hive.
And <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> to Ollj
Offending maps, I'm looking at you...
Co_sava
Co_Daimos
Co_pulse (I think, I'm having a bad memory moment)
It's obvious that jet packs aren't going to get a nerf because it'd be stupid for classic, and I wouldn't want to see that nerf made...but by god, can co mappers begin to realise that games are not fun when they're being dictated by lame shites that decide they want to vent camp with absolutely no penalty in doing so?
Shield your vents (see ns_nancy) so that jpers have to actually come out into the open if they want to do anything rather than just frag ****. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont see a reason to alter the vents IMO
Reload time, fades, lerks, spores, umbra, webs spit, blah blah.... Use a little common sense.
I have never been in a CO match to see a JP camp a vent for 10mins, I'd change server if the skill is that poor on the alien team.
Although I totaly agree that jp freedom around the hives with so many ledges etc.. is something I would like looked into
(not even taking into accout the complete intricasy of teamwork needed with your suggestions of how to beat that JPer in the vent <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
All it needs is...
<img src='http://www.greenmarxist.co.uk/misc/co_daimos0001.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
(ignore the "screen" by the hive, though that's something else I think should be done to at least stop JPers that keep doing their hovering **** from doing much damage to the hive in the process)
A simple little shield to the end of the vent. If the JPer wants some action he can drop out and join the action, not camp the end of the vent and cause needless frustration. If he wants to camp the vent still, then at least the aliens can go about their business without being screwed over by him.
The outcome of co really depends on the skill of each team. If a marine is that good to get jetpack before any fades, he deserves to go in that vent and win.
It could always be inverted <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> would look a little silly I suppose but would force the gl'er to stick there heads out to be effective
aliens are just way too overpowered in the endgame
That's all.
Offending maps, I'm looking at you...
Co_sava
Co_Daimos
Co_pulse (I think, I'm having a bad memory moment)
It's obvious that jet packs aren't going to get a nerf because it'd be stupid for classic, and I wouldn't want to see that nerf made...but by god, can co mappers begin to realise that games are not fun when they're being dictated by lame shites that decide they want to vent camp with absolutely no penalty in doing so?
Shield your vents (see ns_nancy) so that jpers have to actually come out into the open if they want to do anything rather than just frag ****. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CO mappers in general need to realize that JPs are going to be a major factor in thier maps. Ninevus for instance. There is no horrible offending vents, but the hive room is a NIGHTMARE to get JPs out of. They can just fly around freely on the cieling landing on the various peices of architexture up there almost indefintaly. It is hard to get them out with fades lerks and skulks because there is so many perches, and onos and gorge just can't touch them. Plus the hive is so high off the ground that gorges have a hard time healing it without the JP swooping down and absolutly slaying them every few seconds. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd say the easy access in to the hive balances out the hive for JPers with it being hard to exit. Good design theory.
And what on earth is weird about the net_graph setting? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: Oh, and h00rj for people still going on about the team aspect of winning or losing a map, when this thread was never about that.
No need to explain. 99% of people understand and think that, some people are just out to argue <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Mendasp made Sava, no? I know that it comes under a lot of critisism, but I've never had much of a problem with it. The fact that the hive room is small enough that a jper doesn't have a free reign of the place is a good thing. However the two vents in the hive room are attrociously placed, as they allow jpers utter freedom to do what they will.
Moving the entrances so that they aren't overlooking the important bit of the spawn area, or adding some kind of "shield" to them will simply and quickly stop this type of spawn camping annoyance.
I mean...excuse me for a second, but are my simple suggestions here honestly too game breaking or impossible to impliment to get some kind of intelligent response? (apologies to swiftspear and sky among a few others, who are actually doing the discussion thing rather than reverting to generic responses)
You just defined yourself there. Nice job adding a comma when there was no need for it, too. Maybe you're dyslexic! Internet tells you so! rofl
Anyways, what I meant is... we're mappers, just that. "Co mappers" sounds pretty bad to me (just read any thread about combat in these forums and you'll understand why), it's that simple, no need to "read between the lines because english is great as first language" (lol thaldarin). And if you want an answer for that vent thing... I was considering it when creating it, but when it was passed to the consties for testing it didn't seem like a big issue, I remember it being mentioned in a feedback thread a few times, though...
Adding a Sat-like block for the vent would help, I could add that in the next version, if that's fine with everyone. I'd make a public feedback thread for sava, but there's many people that would reply stupid stuff like: "LOL WHAT'S CO LOL OMG I R WITTY MAKEING THEASE DEROAGTORY COMMENTS ABOUT A GAMEMODE I DONT LIEK".