<!--QuoteBegin-kill4thrills+Apr 15 2005, 03:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Apr 15 2005, 03:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> your arguments have no merit whatsoever. it's all "WHO CARES?" well obviously a lot of people care deeply about this issue, and that's why there is such controversy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't get me wrong, people care (for what reason, I have no idea), the point is that there is no reason for them to care. NONE.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and then there you are throwing a hissy fit like a little girl. there's not point having a discussion with you. i'm gonna continue to lobby against your decacent behavior with your homo buddies. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not a homosexual, but thanks for returning the insults, might help when they decide to take disiplinary action (what I mean by that is: you can go down with me). Fact is, I'm just sick of putting up with asshats like you who think that their idea of whats right and wrong should apply to everybody. You can all go to hell.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and if you dont' like it, you can continue to cry like a little girl. and if people didn't share the views of their friendly neighborhood conservative party, they wouldn't be in power right now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh I get it. Majority > minority, throw individual rights out the window, burn the constitution, because the majority is always right. Welcome to the new United States! One nation under asshats.
Because it was not what was intended for us... otherwise males could give birth to children...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't believe humans should fly. Why? Because it was not intended for us... otherwise we would have wings.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I dun care if ppl are ****... just DO NOT hit on me or I'll farkin rip your head off and **** down yer neck... I HATE IT when **** people hit on me... *shudder*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure it happens all the time. Really, unless you just happen to put off some sort of homosexual vibe that makes you a magnet for men of that persuasion, I find it extreemly unlikely that you've ever been hit on by a homosexual in your entire life, let alone enough that it would be a nuscience to you. More likely you have some serious issues with your own sexuality that cause you to react irrationaly when your sexuality is questioned. Grow up. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, sophmore year in math class... this guy that sat next to me was ****...
*shudder* I swore to him that if he hit on me ONE MORE TIME, I'd chuck my desk at him...
Luckily, the teacher was looking the other way, and there WERE no cameras, cause I caught him full in the chest and knocked him straight over... them desks are heavy.
He basicly left me alone after that...
So yeah. Don't question my sexuality till you know the facts. We cool?
Also, man was meant to fly- hence why God gave us the intelligence and the ability to think, improve ourselves, and thus develope tools...
But no matter what we do (cept for some seriously freaky genetic "enhancements") a man will NEVER, EVER concieve, carry, give birth to, and nurture a child... it is, for the most part, biologically impossible.
Oh, and SkulkBait, if you noticed... in the "Land of the Free", we're not exactly free...
Heavy taxes, reverse descrimination (so... that black guy can call ME a cracka without anyone blinking an eye... yet if I call him a N****r, I'm suddenly the anti-christ... cool, I'm cool with that... ), and other various forms of BS...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and if people didn't share the views of their friendly neighborhood conservative party, they wouldn't be in power right now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
More like they are unable to stay the hell out of other peoples affairs that have nothing to do with them.
<!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Apr 15 2005, 03:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Apr 15 2005, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, sophmore year in math class... this guy that sat next to me was ****...
*shudder* I swore to him that if he hit on me ONE MORE TIME, I'd chuck my desk at him...
Luckily, the teacher was looking the other way, and there WERE no cameras, cause I caught him full in the chest and knocked him straight over... them desks are heavy.
He basicly left me alone after that...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You see, this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with him being **** and everything to do with him being an asshat highschooler.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, man was meant to fly- hence why God gave us the intelligence and the ability to think, improve ourselves, and thus develope tools...
But no matter what we do (cept for some seriously freaky genetic "enhancements") a man will NEVER, EVER concieve, carry, give birth to, and nurture a child... it is, for the most part, biologically impossible.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And....? Sex isn't just about reproduction, and neither is marriage (otherwise sterile people wouldn't be allowed ot marry). Fact is, we were blessed with multiple ways of deriving sexual pleasure, so obviously they were intended to be used.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and SkulkBait, if you noticed... in the "Land of the Free", we're not exactly free...
Heavy taxes, reverse descrimination (so... that black guy can call ME a cracka without anyone blinking an eye... yet if I call him a N****r, I'm suddenly the anti-christ... cool, I'm cool with that... ), and other various forms of BS...
Yes, welcome to LIFE<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're point being? Because life is unfair we should aim to keep it that way? That doesn't make any sense.
if it were meant to be, they'd be no "serious" side effects
And if you bring up pregnancy as a side effect... ... so help me god...
And no, I'm not saying we should leave it the way it is
I'm saying it'll take a RALLY of the INTELLIGENT, VOCAL, and DETERMINED US CITIZEN to get it done... and there simply aren't enough right now to do this
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nothing really. Certain precautions must be taken to avoid certain unpleasentries, but thats true of any sexual activity. Besides, what about the women?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I rest my case...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you insist on going out on such a bad note, I guess I can't stop you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->if it were meant to be, they'd be no "serious" side effects<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You mean like heterosexual sex and STDs, birth defects, ect.? Besides, who cares? If consenting adaults want to hurt eachother, who am I to tell them they can't?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if you bring up pregnancy as a side effect... ... so help me god...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well it is, and a very serious life altering one at that. But since it is the "intended" side effect it wouldn't serve my argument. However, can you explain genetic birth defects? Still born children? Those are serious consequences of the "natural way", yet you ignore them.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And no, I'm not saying we should leave it the way it is
I'm saying it'll take a RALLY of the INTELLIGENT, VOCAL, and DETERMINED US CITIZEN to get it done... and there simply aren't enough right now to do this<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We're working on it. Unfortunatly we're being drown out by the asshat religious folk who feel it is somehow their right to tell everybody else how to live (and just so were clear on this, I think they can all go **** themselves).
<!--QuoteBegin-kill4thrills+Apr 15 2005, 07:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Apr 15 2005, 07:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> alright, i don't have time right now to spell out everythign that is wrong with homosexuality, but here is a brief outline:
1. homosexuality is un-natural. it goes against the drive to procreate, because same sex couples cannot procreate without artificial means
2. homosexual behavior can be induced in mice by the switching of genes. this was in a tv program i saw, and reinforces my theory that homosexuality is a disease, or genetic defect, or even a mental illness.
3. having said (2), i think homosexual behavior should not be promoted, but studied, quarantined, and cured.
4. there is a difference between progression of liberal rights, and decline into decadence. this is, of course, open to personal opinion, and it is my opinion that homosexual behavior and polygamy are beyond the threshold of decency in society. argue what you may, you will not change my view of this
5. homosexuality will not affect me or my children? i don't want to see **** couples in public. i dont' want my children to see, and imitate their behavior. monkey see, monkey do, and as much as dads hate to see their boys play with barbies, we don't want our sons to be homos either. same goes for daughters.
6. majority of people accept homosexuality? i'm conifident that if there was a referendum at this very moment, homo marriages will not be approved. i don't like george bush much, but i like his stance on protecting the sanctity of marriage. i hope the constitution gets ammended. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I totally agree with skulkbaits view but just to get a few points of my own across.
1) Homosexuality is unnatural because it goes against the drive to procreate? Well so does monogamy, saving yourself for marriage and age of consent laws.
2&3) If homosexual 'behaviour' was turned on and off by with a switch in the genes then it would be a genetic mutation just as many of us have in which case it would be neither a disease, nor a mental illness. It would be something that would eventually breed out and so couldn't lead to 'the downfall of society' or anything else you seem to want to attribute to it. However, I personally don't believe it's anything like that, I think it's a natural thing and has no effect in the great scheme of things. Anyway, the point it you seem to think that people with certain 'illnesses' should lose their rights? That maybe they shouldn't be able to breed or something? Does that sound like eugenics to anyone else as well?
*cough*facist*cough*
Oh and how would allowing homosexual marriages 'promote' a sexual preference. Would you be persuaded to maybe 'try it' yourself maybe? No, of course not. You feel the way you do irrespective of how others around you might when it comes to sexual preference. Besides, if it really was a genetic thing then how could you promote except by forcing the **** males to impregnate women. In fact surely you'd want it to be outed just so they wouldn't 'pretend' to be straight by having wives, producing children and 'infecting' the rest of humanity... pfft idiot.
4) Beyond the thread of decency? Again, who decides what is decent? Let's hope it isn't you. Again that's "I don't like it so I don't want it" but worded slightly differently. Surely a decadent person just tries to get what they want without caring about others or the rest of society right? Like maybe forcing their beliefs on others?
5) So now your kids will 'catch' it? You've just said it's something people are born with in their genes. So your kids are born queer? No of course not, it's not in your genes is it. Either its in the genes in which case you have nothing to worry about or it isn't in which case your kids might end up homosexual whatever you do. Will you turn on them maybe? Force them to lead unhappy lives because what you say is right and thats it? I just get images of you with your 'back to the wall' as your son passes in case he jumps on you...
6) The vast majority of people aren't that prejudiced, there are only a few small groups like yourselves. Bush is an imbecile and his theocracy should be torn down without waiting for the next few years.
I honestly must disagree with the idea that if something feels good it was meant to be that way...
What's the point of having a reasoning mind if you reason that if it feels good you should do it. In my opinion, that is a refusal to put your mind to good use.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 15 2005, 03:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 15 2005, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I honestly must disagree with the idea that if something feels good it was meant to be that way...
What's the point of having a reasoning mind if you reason that if it feels good you should do it. In my opinion, that is a refusal to put your mind to good use. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But what does this have to do with the law? Anything at all? Didn't think so.
<!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Apr 15 2005, 08:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Apr 15 2005, 08:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> where do **** guys usually stick their ****? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Possibly the same place you've been talking out this entire time. There are no side effects. I have **** friends and they are fine, I know **** guys of around 40 or 50 or so and they are fine. What about **** women? What about straight couples that just like... experimenting?
If this is where you start saying "aids is the **** disease" or something I'm seriously gonna try and get you banned from the NS forums. Will I succeed? I might not no, but people who think like that are just disgusting. I don't care if two guys want to start kissing in front of me, it's only prejudiced blind fools preaching that make me want to throw up...
In fact I'm not posting on this anymore. I can't bring myself to talk to you and stay civilised. It really is shocking.
skulk, you yourself brought it up as evidence for your point
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fact is, we were blessed with multiple ways of deriving sexual pleasure, so obviously they were intended to be used.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 15 2005, 03:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 15 2005, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> skulk, you yourself brought it up as evidence for your point
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fact is, we were blessed with multiple ways of deriving sexual pleasure, so obviously they were intended to be used.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're taking that out of context. It was used as a reductio ad absurdem argument against BulletHead's arguemnt that if things were "meant to be" there'd be no serious side effects. I don't hold that position myself. Besides which, as I argued to you, it doesn't matter in the eyes of the law.
i just find these discussions where people get **** off really entertaining. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i guess the underlying reality is this:
everyone has a moral code, and while some of this code will change, most of it is concrete. everyone is unique, and behaves differently, and have a different moral code. what right do i have to impose my moral code on you? i don't know, but i'm gonna try anyways. i'm gonna find other people who share my values, and we're gonna make sure these values are enforced. i expect the opposite side to do the same. the stronger side wins, and values are enforced until society's view of certain behaviors change (if ever). we're gonna try to bring you down, and if we win, you can protest. if you win, we will protest.
i'm gonna leave this particular discussion now. everyone knows where i stand on this issue, and nothing i've seen or heard is sufficient to sway my view.
<!--QuoteBegin-kill4thrills+Apr 15 2005, 03:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Apr 15 2005, 03:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i just find these discussions where people get **** off really entertaining. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i guess the underlying reality is this:
everyone has a moral code, and while some of this code will change, most of it is concrete. everyone is unique, and behaves differently, and have a different moral code. what right do i have to impose my moral code on you? i don't know, but i'm gonna try anyways. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And thats what separates your from respectable people.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i'm gonna find other people who share my values, and we're gonna make sure these values are enforced. i expect the opposite side to do the same. the stronger side wins, and values are enforced until society's view of certain behaviors change (if ever). we're gonna try to bring you down, and if we win, you can protest. if you win, we will protest.
i'm gonna leave this particular discussion now. everyone knows where i stand on this issue, and nothing i've seen or heard is sufficient to sway my view.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->good riddence. we won't miss you<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-kill4thrills+Apr 15 2005, 11:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Apr 15 2005, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NO to **** marriage NO to polygamy NO to liberal hippies and freaks
let's all start heterosexual relationships with a lifelong commitment to your ONE spouse and have NORMAL fricken families. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't respect people who are self-righteous, intolerant, are unamerican by denying freedom of choice, use a political label to not only prejudice people into a group but use with the context as a synonym for the word f**ker, label all liberals as freaks. and like to troll on web forums, sir.
Sadly you are not the only person I've met like this but the fact remains: if you can't act mature and say something nice on the forums, please feel free to leave.
PS: It is hatred and intolerance that leads to most genocide and cruelty.
PPS: And your comments are exactly the kind of thing the thread author was hoping wasn't going to happen but his fears got justified. I think you should apologize to him/her.
Skulkbait - committed to saying what you want to say, how you want to say it, in words you <u>really</u> don't want to say it in. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now, this point of your post was fine and dandy: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> guess the underlying reality is this:
everyone has a moral code, and while some of this code will change, most of it is concrete. everyone is unique, and behaves differently, and have a different moral code. what right do i have to impose my moral code on you?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For a second I thought you had grown up. Then I read this: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i don't know, but i'm gonna try anyways. i'm gonna find other people who share my values, and we're gonna make sure these values are enforced. i expect the opposite side to do the same. the stronger side wins, and values are enforced until society's view of certain behaviors change (if ever). we're gonna try to bring you down, and if we win, you can protest. if you win, we will protest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But...why? You've given us all a lot of 'what's ("I oppose **** marriage"), but never any 'why's. Or, more specifically, any 'why's that you should really care about. You have never once shown what negative effect this will have on you, (except for that thing about your kids, which I'll get back to in a second). Therefore, you are arguing just for the sake of arguing, blowing this issue into a battle between morality and vice which it really isn't; it's a battle between people who are being refused rights and people supporting the system that is refusing said people their rights. Do you REALLY think this country needs to argue about crap like this? We could be solving social security, digging our **** out of a horrible war, possibly regaining some measure of respect from foreign nations. No, let's all get up in arms because those <i>Gawd-darn Homosexians are tryin' ta get hitched!</i>.
Back to the children: You DO realize that banning **** marriage isn't going to make homosexuals crawl in a hole and die, right? Or is that the next step in your plan? The argument that you don't want to see homosexuals in public because of your children is bull; your kids'll be able to see that anyway as the system stands now. I'd be more worried about my kids watching a bunch of straight couples sucking face in malls or movie theaters or something.
Once again, you have nothing to lose, they have everything to gain. Standing in the way of this really makes you out to be a serious <insert any insult that's gonna get bleeped out by the swear filter anyway>.
I find this thread ironic, because the original thread author (AvengerX), intended to use this thread to eventually bring out the homosexuality issue. I thought this thread should have died when Avenger's alter-ego was banned, but someone seems to have taken his place. >_>
Marik_SteeleTo rule in hell...Join Date: 2002-11-20Member: 9466Members
edited April 2005
I came in here and started editing posts, but the more I looked, the more I saw that cleaning up this thread is pretty hopeless by this point. In case the thread title, fist post, and first couple pages of posts aren't clear enough, this thread wasn't supposed to be about homosexuality at all. At least two of you will be getting Restricted Member status for extreme hostility, and this thread is getting locked.
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Don't get me wrong, people care (for what reason, I have no idea), the point is that there is no reason for them to care. NONE.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
and then there you are throwing a hissy fit like a little girl. there's not point having a discussion with you. i'm gonna continue to lobby against your decacent behavior with your homo buddies. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not a homosexual, but thanks for returning the insults, might help when they decide to take disiplinary action (what I mean by that is: you can go down with me). Fact is, I'm just sick of putting up with asshats like you who think that their idea of whats right and wrong should apply to everybody. You can all go to hell.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and if you dont' like it, you can continue to cry like a little girl. and if people didn't share the views of their friendly neighborhood conservative party, they wouldn't be in power right now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh I get it. Majority > minority, throw individual rights out the window, burn the constitution, because the majority is always right. Welcome to the new United States! One nation under asshats.
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Unless I missed something, this thread isn't about homosexual marriage.
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WHy?
Because it was not what was intended for us... otherwise males could give birth to children...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't believe humans should fly. Why? Because it was not intended for us... otherwise we would have wings.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I dun care if ppl are ****... just DO NOT hit on me or I'll farkin rip your head off and **** down yer neck... I HATE IT when **** people hit on me... *shudder*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sure it happens all the time. Really, unless you just happen to put off some sort of homosexual vibe that makes you a magnet for men of that persuasion, I find it extreemly unlikely that you've ever been hit on by a homosexual in your entire life, let alone enough that it would be a nuscience to you. More likely you have some serious issues with your own sexuality that cause you to react irrationaly when your sexuality is questioned. Grow up. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, sophmore year in math class... this guy that sat next to me was ****...
*shudder* I swore to him that if he hit on me ONE MORE TIME, I'd chuck my desk at him...
Luckily, the teacher was looking the other way, and there WERE no cameras, cause I caught him full in the chest and knocked him straight over... them desks are heavy.
He basicly left me alone after that...
So yeah. Don't question my sexuality till you know the facts. We cool?
Also, man was meant to fly- hence why God gave us the intelligence and the ability to think, improve ourselves, and thus develope tools...
But no matter what we do (cept for some seriously freaky genetic "enhancements") a man will NEVER, EVER concieve, carry, give birth to, and nurture a child... it is, for the most part, biologically impossible.
Oh, and SkulkBait, if you noticed... in the "Land of the Free", we're not exactly free...
Heavy taxes, reverse descrimination (so... that black guy can call ME a cracka without anyone blinking an eye... yet if I call him a N****r, I'm suddenly the anti-christ... cool, I'm cool with that... ), and other various forms of BS...
Yes, welcome to LIFE
I'm movin to Japan...
More like they are unable to stay the hell out of other peoples affairs that have nothing to do with them.
*shudder* I swore to him that if he hit on me ONE MORE TIME, I'd chuck my desk at him...
Luckily, the teacher was looking the other way, and there WERE no cameras, cause I caught him full in the chest and knocked him straight over... them desks are heavy.
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You see, this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with him being **** and everything to do with him being an asshat highschooler.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, man was meant to fly- hence why God gave us the intelligence and the ability to think, improve ourselves, and thus develope tools...
But no matter what we do (cept for some seriously freaky genetic "enhancements") a man will NEVER, EVER concieve, carry, give birth to, and nurture a child... it is, for the most part, biologically impossible.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And....? Sex isn't just about reproduction, and neither is marriage (otherwise sterile people wouldn't be allowed ot marry). Fact is, we were blessed with multiple ways of deriving sexual pleasure, so obviously they were intended to be used.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and SkulkBait, if you noticed... in the "Land of the Free", we're not exactly free...
Heavy taxes, reverse descrimination (so... that black guy can call ME a cracka without anyone blinking an eye... yet if I call him a N****r, I'm suddenly the anti-christ... cool, I'm cool with that... ), and other various forms of BS...
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You're point being? Because life is unfair we should aim to keep it that way? That doesn't make any sense.
where do **** guys usually stick their ****?
And what happens after a few years of that?
I rest my case...
if it were meant to be, they'd be no "serious" side effects
And if you bring up pregnancy as a side effect... ... so help me god...
And no, I'm not saying we should leave it the way it is
I'm saying it'll take a RALLY of the INTELLIGENT, VOCAL, and DETERMINED US CITIZEN to get it done... and there simply aren't enough right now to do this
where do **** guys usually stick their ****?
And what happens after a few years of that?
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Nothing really. Certain precautions must be taken to avoid certain unpleasentries, but thats true of any sexual activity. Besides, what about the women?
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I rest my case...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you insist on going out on such a bad note, I guess I can't stop you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->if it were meant to be, they'd be no "serious" side effects<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean like heterosexual sex and STDs, birth defects, ect.? Besides, who cares? If consenting adaults want to hurt eachother, who am I to tell them they can't?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if you bring up pregnancy as a side effect... ... so help me god...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well it is, and a very serious life altering one at that. But since it is the "intended" side effect it wouldn't serve my argument. However, can you explain genetic birth defects? Still born children? Those are serious consequences of the "natural way", yet you ignore them.
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I'm saying it'll take a RALLY of the INTELLIGENT, VOCAL, and DETERMINED US CITIZEN to get it done... and there simply aren't enough right now to do this<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We're working on it. Unfortunatly we're being drown out by the asshat religious folk who feel it is somehow their right to tell everybody else how to live (and just so were clear on this, I think they can all go **** themselves).
1. homosexuality is un-natural. it goes against the drive to procreate, because same sex couples cannot procreate without artificial means
2. homosexual behavior can be induced in mice by the switching of genes. this was in a tv program i saw, and reinforces my theory that homosexuality is a disease, or genetic defect, or even a mental illness.
3. having said (2), i think homosexual behavior should not be promoted, but studied, quarantined, and cured.
4. there is a difference between progression of liberal rights, and decline into decadence. this is, of course, open to personal opinion, and it is my opinion that homosexual behavior and polygamy are beyond the threshold of decency in society. argue what you may, you will not change my view of this
5. homosexuality will not affect me or my children? i don't want to see **** couples in public. i dont' want my children to see, and imitate their behavior. monkey see, monkey do, and as much as dads hate to see their boys play with barbies, we don't want our sons to be homos either. same goes for daughters.
6. majority of people accept homosexuality? i'm conifident that if there was a referendum at this very moment, homo marriages will not be approved. i don't like george bush much, but i like his stance on protecting the sanctity of marriage. i hope the constitution gets ammended. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I totally agree with skulkbaits view but just to get a few points of my own across.
1) Homosexuality is unnatural because it goes against the drive to procreate? Well so does monogamy, saving yourself for marriage and age of consent laws.
2&3) If homosexual 'behaviour' was turned on and off by with a switch in the genes then it would be a genetic mutation just as many of us have in which case it would be neither a disease, nor a mental illness. It would be something that would eventually breed out and so couldn't lead to 'the downfall of society' or anything else you seem to want to attribute to it.
However, I personally don't believe it's anything like that, I think it's a natural thing and has no effect in the great scheme of things. Anyway, the point it you seem to think that people with certain 'illnesses' should lose their rights? That maybe they shouldn't be able to breed or something? Does that sound like eugenics to anyone else as well?
*cough*facist*cough*
Oh and how would allowing homosexual marriages 'promote' a sexual preference. Would you be persuaded to maybe 'try it' yourself maybe? No, of course not. You feel the way you do irrespective of how others around you might when it comes to sexual preference. Besides, if it really was a genetic thing then how could you promote except by forcing the **** males to impregnate women. In fact surely you'd want it to be outed just so they wouldn't 'pretend' to be straight by having wives, producing children and 'infecting' the rest of humanity... pfft idiot.
4) Beyond the thread of decency? Again, who decides what is decent? Let's hope it isn't you. Again that's "I don't like it so I don't want it" but worded slightly differently. Surely a decadent person just tries to get what they want without caring about others or the rest of society right? Like maybe forcing their beliefs on others?
5) So now your kids will 'catch' it? You've just said it's something people are born with in their genes. So your kids are born queer? No of course not, it's not in your genes is it. Either its in the genes in which case you have nothing to worry about or it isn't in which case your kids might end up homosexual whatever you do. Will you turn on them maybe? Force them to lead unhappy lives because what you say is right and thats it? I just get images of you with your 'back to the wall' as your son passes in case he jumps on you...
6) The vast majority of people aren't that prejudiced, there are only a few small groups like yourselves. Bush is an imbecile and his theocracy should be torn down without waiting for the next few years.
What's the point of having a reasoning mind if you reason that if it feels good you should do it. In my opinion, that is a refusal to put your mind to good use.
What's the point of having a reasoning mind if you reason that if it feels good you should do it. In my opinion, that is a refusal to put your mind to good use. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But what does this have to do with the law? Anything at all? Didn't think so.
Possibly the same place you've been talking out this entire time. There are no side effects. I have **** friends and they are fine, I know **** guys of around 40 or 50 or so and they are fine. What about **** women? What about straight couples that just like... experimenting?
If this is where you start saying "aids is the **** disease" or something I'm seriously gonna try and get you banned from the NS forums. Will I succeed? I might not no, but people who think like that are just disgusting. I don't care if two guys want to start kissing in front of me, it's only prejudiced blind fools preaching that make me want to throw up...
In fact I'm not posting on this anymore. I can't bring myself to talk to you and stay civilised. It really is shocking.
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You're taking that out of context. It was used as a reductio ad absurdem argument against BulletHead's arguemnt that if things were "meant to be" there'd be no serious side effects. I don't hold that position myself. Besides which, as I argued to you, it doesn't matter in the eyes of the law.
i guess the underlying reality is this:
everyone has a moral code, and while some of this code will change, most of it is concrete. everyone is unique, and behaves differently, and have a different moral code. what right do i have to impose my moral code on you? i don't know, but i'm gonna try anyways. i'm gonna find other people who share my values, and we're gonna make sure these values are enforced. i expect the opposite side to do the same. the stronger side wins, and values are enforced until society's view of certain behaviors change (if ever). we're gonna try to bring you down, and if we win, you can protest. if you win, we will protest.
i'm gonna leave this particular discussion now. everyone knows where i stand on this issue, and nothing i've seen or heard is sufficient to sway my view.
i guess the underlying reality is this:
everyone has a moral code, and while some of this code will change, most of it is concrete. everyone is unique, and behaves differently, and have a different moral code. what right do i have to impose my moral code on you? i don't know, but i'm gonna try anyways. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And thats what separates your from respectable people.
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i'm gonna leave this particular discussion now. everyone knows where i stand on this issue, and nothing i've seen or heard is sufficient to sway my view.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->good riddence. we won't miss you<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
NO to polygamy
NO to liberal hippies and freaks
let's all start heterosexual relationships with a lifelong commitment to your ONE spouse and have NORMAL fricken families. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't respect people who are self-righteous, intolerant, are unamerican by denying freedom of choice, use a political label to not only prejudice people into a group but use with the context as a synonym for the word f**ker, label all liberals as freaks. and like to troll on web forums, sir.
Sadly you are not the only person I've met like this but the fact remains: if you can't act mature and say something nice on the forums, please feel free to leave.
PS: It is hatred and intolerance that leads to most genocide and cruelty.
PPS: And your comments are exactly the kind of thing the thread author was hoping wasn't going to happen but his fears got justified. I think you should apologize to him/her.
Now, this point of your post was fine and dandy:
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everyone has a moral code, and while some of this code will change, most of it is concrete. everyone is unique, and behaves differently, and have a different moral code. what right do i have to impose my moral code on you?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For a second I thought you had grown up. Then I read this:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i don't know, but i'm gonna try anyways. i'm gonna find other people who share my values, and we're gonna make sure these values are enforced. i expect the opposite side to do the same. the stronger side wins, and values are enforced until society's view of certain behaviors change (if ever). we're gonna try to bring you down, and if we win, you can protest. if you win, we will protest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But...why? You've given us all a lot of 'what's ("I oppose **** marriage"), but never any 'why's. Or, more specifically, any 'why's that you should really care about. You have never once shown what negative effect this will have on you, (except for that thing about your kids, which I'll get back to in a second). Therefore, you are arguing just for the sake of arguing, blowing this issue into a battle between morality and vice which it really isn't; it's a battle between people who are being refused rights and people supporting the system that is refusing said people their rights. Do you REALLY think this country needs to argue about crap like this? We could be solving social security, digging our **** out of a horrible war, possibly regaining some measure of respect from foreign nations. No, let's all get up in arms because those <i>Gawd-darn Homosexians are tryin' ta get hitched!</i>.
Back to the children:
You DO realize that banning **** marriage isn't going to make homosexuals crawl in a hole and die, right? Or is that the next step in your plan? The argument that you don't want to see homosexuals in public because of your children is bull; your kids'll be able to see that anyway as the system stands now. I'd be more worried about my kids watching a bunch of straight couples sucking face in malls or movie theaters or something.
Once again, you have nothing to lose, they have everything to gain. Standing in the way of this really makes you out to be a serious <insert any insult that's gonna get bleeped out by the swear filter anyway>.
I find this thread ironic, because the original thread author (AvengerX), intended to use this thread to eventually bring out the homosexuality issue. I thought this thread should have died when Avenger's alter-ego was banned, but someone seems to have taken his place. >_>