China Vs Japan
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Well that doesn’t look good.
I can see where the Chinese are coming from, that text book thing really ticked them off, and for a good reason. I wish Americans would get angry over things like this; we'd have a much better country right now, but alas were fat and lazy so we get to watch the Chinese on the news.
The Chinese government obviously doesn’t want this to turn into anything more then protests and we all know they don't like protests as it is. But then again they don't want Japan to be on the Security Council.
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Well that doesn’t look good.
I can see where the Chinese are coming from, that text book thing really ticked them off, and for a good reason. I wish Americans would get angry over things like this; we'd have a much better country right now, but alas were fat and lazy so we get to watch the Chinese on the news.
The Chinese government obviously doesn’t want this to turn into anything more then protests and we all know they don't like protests as it is. But then again they don't want Japan to be on the Security Council.
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I for one am more pleased that the Chinese actually <i>are</i> protesting, and the government isn't frantically trying to stop it. Yes, the violence is going a bit far, but at least this sets a precedent for protesters in that country.
I'll wait to see if the Chinese can protest about their government before I hope for that much. (:
How so?
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I think he meant if Americans would get angry about things affecting other countries, we'd be a better nation in general.
You can safely assume that those protest are actually organized by governmental employees or at least are inofficially supported.
As for warcrimes and cruelties, well the Chinese should not throw the first stone on that behalf ...
What have the Chinese done that can match what the Japanese did to them before WWII (while most of the rest of the world looked the other way)?
What have the Chinese done that can match what the Japanese did to them before WWII (while most of the rest of the world looked the other way)? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
for exampe their effords to reduce overpopulation:
They are indirectly encouraging massmurder on female babies due to the one child law. The government looks away when aproximately every third baby girl "disapears" after birth, because people want a boy as heir.
The government offers sterilisation for every man. Know how that looks like? Narkotisation and two punches with a hammer.
Some years ago, the governemnt asked for blood donations in underdeveloped and
highly overpopulated areas. Millions of citizens donated blood. The medical personnel "forgot" to change the needles. Outcome? aproximately 2.5 million HIV infections ...
Just some examples, and those are things they do to their own people ...
I don't want to know what happens in their prisons or in occupied areas.
And, oh yes, the world is looking the other way, right now.
They've whitewashed the textbooks, they refuse to prosecute war criminals (killing contests in Nanking where two lieutenants try to kill 100 people first with a katana is fun!) and they basically just ignore the whole damn thing, as if it never happened. At least Germany has made reparations and acknowledge that their past was ugly and brutal.
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Japan has no nukes.
Dunno, US would step in, conventional war however I put my money on china.
They have nuclear plants, but no nukes.
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I hope you mean China vs. Japan, not China vs. USA. We would slaughter the Chinese. We've got a much much better airforce, better trained and equipped troops, much better C&C. The only advantage they've got is something that you'll remember if you've played Civ3: war weariness.
They have nuclear plants, but no nukes.
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I hope you mean China vs. Japan, not China vs. USA. We would slaughter the Chinese. We've got a much much better airforce, better trained and equipped troops, much better C&C. The only advantage they've got is something that you'll remember if you've played Civ3: war weariness. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And swarming numbers. The US doesn't want a war with china because we both know it would quickly escalate into a nuclear conflict. I will agree however that a few well placed nuclear devices in certain argicultural areas would literally starve the chinese military into submission
They have nuclear plants, but no nukes.
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I hope you mean China vs. Japan, not China vs. USA. We would slaughter the Chinese. We've got a much much better airforce, better trained and equipped troops, much better C&C. The only advantage they've got is something that you'll remember if you've played Civ3: war weariness. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Problem is
give every chinese person a rifle... let em loose in dingys to get to the USA
Even the mere 50% or so that survive will be more than enough to take down the entire US Military... just cause thre's SO DAMN MANY of em...
what;... like,... some MILLIONS vs a few thousand military personelle?
Speaks for itself.
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[Edit - Never get involved in a land-war with Asia. You will lose, simply by sheer numbers. Seeing as how 1/6th the world's population (about 1 Billion. Give or take half that) is in Asia...]
Now a conventional war between China and Russia...mmm that would be interesting, a proper one mine you not the boarder skirmishes they have from time to time.
Speaks for itself.
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[Edit - Never get involved in a land-war with Asia. You will lose, simply by sheer numbers. Seeing as how 1/6th the world's population (about 1 Billion. Give or take half that) is in Asia...] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, almost Half of the world's population lives in Asia:
All figures are off the top of my head
1.3 Billion people in China
1 Billion in India
and that to the rest of asia, and you have at least 2.6 million
If china did declare war on japan, and attacked, i can't see japan standing a chance.
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Is this true even officially? Come on, they've got FAST breeders. As in breeding plutonium. They have something like half the reactors we do, which is a lot for the size of the nation. They must have enough material for thousands of nukes by now.
Nuclear war has to be the most stupid and pointless thing in the universe
for example it was posted that if chinese and usa went to war china/america would win. Well they along wiv every other country on the planet would lose.
a nuke is like a gun wiv 2 barrels, one pointing foward other pointing at the user. u shoot one person u going down too.
Nuclear bomb = dumbest wepon ever
only after the last forest is destoyed
only after the last river has dried up
will we realise that money cannot be eaten
Nuclear war has to be the most stupid and pointless thing in the universe
for example it was posted that if chinese and usa went to war china/america would win. Well they along wiv every other country on the planet would lose.
a nuke is like a gun wiv 2 barrels, one pointing foward other pointing at the user. u shoot one person u going down too.
Nuclear bomb = dumbest wepon ever
only after the last forest is destoyed
only after the last river has dried up
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No it isn't the dumbest weapon ever. It's a very effective means of killing lots of your enemies in one hit while saving you the trouble of having to commit large numbers of your own forces to do the same job.
You also don't realise that it was nukes that have kept the peace throughout the latter half of the 20th century by being the only thing that kept the Reds in check. No nukes and you can bet your arse that old Joe Stalin would have rolled the red army right accross western Europe after the fall of Germany, there would have been no way in hell that the US and UK could have held them back....we would have got our butts kicked.
There’s allot of things we could have done to defeat Stalin without resorting to nukes.
We could have re-armed the German army; millions of well trained, freshly supplied troop’s fighting to defend their homeland from the dreaded commies would have put quite a dent in Stalin’s forces.
I don't believe Russia alone could have held up against the combined forces of Britain, France, Italy, Germany, United States, and what ever other assorted allied countries wished to help.
But that’s nether here nor there, maybe someone should start a WWII topic.
As far as the US vs. China, I suggest you read a pretty good book called <i>Protect and Defend</i> it's pretty much a fictional run down of what would happen if China fought the US in Siberia for control of Russia.
If China were to attack Japan they would basically be declaring war on us.
Now none of us can predict what would be best to do next because none of us have the right information. Clearly if our "Star Wars" defense system is "fully operational" (pun intended) and virtually guaranteed to work then perhaps striking China with nukes first would be the smartest thing to do.
Ether way millions of Chinese are going to die, this way countless Americans wouldn't have to die.
I'm willing to bet we know where almost every Chinese missile silo is, if not all of them. If we could insert covert teams to disable a large number of their nukes we could tilt the odds in our favor even more, or we could just bomb them or hit them with tomahawks, but that doesn’t make for as good a movie afterwards.
I still think we would win a conventional war with China; it would just be incredibly costly to us.
I think the alliance situation would be most interesting in any case. How much would Europe help? Could we talk Russia into aiding us? Would NK take advantage of the situation and attack SK?
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