Twg V: Post Game

TheMuffinMan · May 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">It's over...</div> Well, that's it. After seven game days, the game is over. This was a damned close call.

MVP has definitely got to go to <b>SaltzBad</b>, for his masterful play. At the moment, i don't really understand it, but it looks like he played a big part in the human win.

An honourable mention goes to <b>Hellfire3k</b>, for protecting SaltzBad. Great move!

<span style='color:#009900'>lolfighter, human</span> (Survived)
<span style='color:#009900'>Kerotan, human</span> (Lynched on day two)
<span style='color:#009900'>im lost, human</span> (Survived)
<span style='color:#3333FF'>Pithlit, seer</span> (Survived)
<span style='color:#009900'>Omegaman!, human</span> (Lynched on day one)
<span style='color:#3333FF'>Hellfire3k, guardian</span> (Wolfed on night four)
<span style='color:#CC0000'>ZeroByte. <i>thing</i></span> (Lynched on day five)
<span style='color:#009900'>Planetkiller, human</span> (Survived)
<span style='color:#009900'>Quaunaut, human</span> (Survived)
<span style='color:#CC0000'>Xentor, <i>thing</i></span> (Instalynched on day seven)
<span style='color:#009900'>Isamil, human</span> (wolfed on night two)
<span style='color:#CC0000'>Sky, <i>thing</i></span> (Instalynched on day three)
<span style='color:#009900'>Freak83, human</span> (Survived)
<span style='color:#009900'>WonedSlackyStyle, human</span> (Wolfed on day one)
<span style='color:#CC0000'>BadKarma, <i>thing</i></span> (Lynched on day four)
<span style='color:#3333FF'>Soul Rider, psychic</span> (Wolfed on day six)
<span style='color:#009900'>Snidely, human</span> (Survived)
<span style='color:#009900'>SaltzBad, human</span> (Wolfed on night five)

Special roles:

<b>Night one</b>
Hellfire3k guards Snidely
Pithlit seers lolfighter

<b>Night two</b>
Hellfire3k guards Freak83
Pithlit seers Sky

<b>Night three</b>
Hellfire3k guards SaltzBad
Pithlit seers Freak83

<b>Night four</b>
Hellfire3k guards Pithlit
Pithlit seers PlanetKiller

<b>Night five</b>
Pithlit seers Snidely

<b>Night six</b>
Pithlit seers im lost

If you wish to host the next TWG, please email Freak83 with your resume at freak[AT]gmail[DOT]com

Include,
Number of slots:
Number of wolves:
Comments: (Either "Standard TWG Game" or a description of all the changes you wish to make)

Personally, i'm all for taking the guardian out. From what i have seen, he is either useless or way too powerful. Sure, someone can be so high profile that the wolves won't even risk going for him, but that is pretty rare.

Good game everyone, i'll post my logs in a bit, once i touch them up.

I hope that you all liked the story. The experience was fun for me, but i definitely won't be doing it again (at least, not for a while <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> )

im_lost · May 2005

Yay, it only took 4 games for me to get a sig image (I guess that means taking Matthew Lesko out of my signature). So much for probability, my fourth game in a row as a plain human, and Sky's fourth game in a row with a role of some sort.

I completely agree with removing the guardian, for the reasons mentioned above.

Based on the interest for this game, should we try to have two games next time?

I started to keep a journal, but once SaltzBad was saved, I realized everything I put down was wrong, and I was clueless, so I gave up. I finally got to contribute to the game for once, my conversation with BadKarma is the reason he got lynched.

Sky · May 2005

Allow me to start off my comments by saying WTH! CAN I PLEASE NOT GET A ROLE SOME GAME?

I SO wanted to argue in that little tiff about probability that we had going on for a while, but I figured that anything I said would look rather suspicious.

I was going to sign up to host the next game, but I am determined to play this game as a normal human at least <u>once</u>. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />

[edit]Now that I've ranted, I'd like to say gj humans/fish. Saltz, I think everybody hear would love a little explanation. You were never seered, you weren't the seer or psychic, yet either Pith trusted you completely OR you just decided to randomly sow information everywhere. I am rather confused.

Isamil · May 2005

Did I do anything special to get myself wolfed or did you just not like me.

Sky · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ May 18 2005, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Did I do anything special to get myself wolfed or did you just not like me.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
You and hellfire were the two likely candidates for the guardian, I think.

Pithlit · May 2005

Well, Sky, i intentionally set up saltzbad as a trap for wolves, i never trusted him until then, hell i never even talked to him ^^.
He was just bait.
I thought that he would be wolved, but that way i would´ve saved the ones i already knew about .
The guarding was just the crumbles on the cake ^^

I have to say, this was a great TWG, many thatnks to all humans and wolves, i have to say i had a very fun time being the seer and not just a sleezy human.
I hope you enjoyed i, too

Sky · May 2005

But, if you didn't trust him, then why did you give him information?

Pithlit · May 2005

i didn´t
he made up the fake seer by himself
but since it did fit me
i tried to strenghen his position by making it look like that the info he had was real, or that he knew more than he said

Sky · May 2005

So, wait, he accused me without you ever contacting him, or did you contact him at one point? If you did, why did you contact him without checking him?

ZeroByte · May 2005

Masterful play humans. Hats off especially to SaltzBad. I really had doubts on you being the seer but other people convinced me otherwise.

Pithlit, I actually wanted to wolf you on Night 3 as part of a play to discredit lolfighter's seer. GAH!

Oh, and the <a href='http://wolvesden.schtuff.com/' target='_blank'>wolves wiki</a> is now open for public viewing. Only things that are really interesting there is the Wolfings and Strategy documents.

PlanetKiller pointed out a crucial oversight by me and Xentor in the endgame in a chat with him. We could have killed more humans had we taken out SoulRider first. That way, the humans wouldn't have really known if the person who was lynched is a human or not.

This was really an enjoyable game. I want to know why I was lynched on night five though. I didn't really think that I gave anyone reason to be suspicious of me, other than SaltzBad's accusation of me anyway.

SaltzBad · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ May 18 2005, 03:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So, wait, he accused me without you ever contacting him, or did you contact him at one point? If you did, why did you contact him without checking him?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Before I put the complete picture together, which will be a bit of work - Pithlit wasn't quite aware of what I knew. He infact wasn't even aware surprisingly enough that both you and me knew he was the seer.

However, early on in the fake seer network that started with you, Sky, you told me about lolfighters claims. From there on it was just some muckwork of finding similar information from others to confirm the story - at one point I even got lolfighters story that he'd been contacted by the real seer, who claimed to have seered you. After that it was easy to figure out that since lolfighter grouped with Pithlit, and only 2 seerings had happened, Pithlit had to be the seer.

In an unrelated incident and thanks to Pithlit passing up the opportunity to EMail Freak83 anonymously, I got a hold of the gaurdian before he did - and at the same time that confirmed Freak83. A series of others sorted themselves out easily - like BadKarma PMing imlost and confirming both a wolf and a human, and alot of smaller tidbits lying around. SoulRider you served up to me yourself (which is the one person I had doubts about).

So by the end of day2, which was when most of this information came to me, the only thing that could have gone wrong was for me to get daytime lynched and hence leave the game as unconfirmed human. I'm really kind of bummed out I didn't just get wolfed, that would have been so much more fun to watch unfold. Could Sky really have held up to information by a confirmed human, although a dead one?

Anyway, a more coherent summary when I get time to this friday.

Xentor · May 2005

Well, I was the newbie wolf, so I left most of the major decisions to the others, but suffice it to say that Saltz confused the hell out of me. Nicely done.

I actually tried to work out all the connections in an effort to see who was networked with who, but that didn't work out either.

But most importantly, I have to compliment Sky on some brilliant plays... If not for the guarding, he probably could have won it for us.

EDIT: Saltz, somehow I doubt your death messages would have worked... But it was enough to make us hesitate at the beginning <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

SaltzBad · May 2005

The problem is, I'd be dead, confirmed human and have a 7man list that says "Kill sky for the love of god" - that might impede his credibility. At least 5 people would have voted against him (the real network plus the humans in the fake). But the uncertainty as to which side would have been perceived as more wolfish is the interesting bit <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

Byeka · May 2005

Very fun game, and I finally won. In fact I finally made it farther than Night 2 as a human!

TheMuffinMan did a great job hosting of course, and there were some brillient strategies being used this game. Up at this point there's still some things that I'm still not entierly understanding.

I know on Night One Hellfire came out and told me point blank that he's the Guardian. This made me very suspicious of him which is why I originally asked the Seer to message me. I wanted him looked at, that was if he was confirmed human he would really be the Guardian, if not then I would have found a wolf.

It wasn't until lolfighter started talking to me telling me about <i>his</i> Seer (Pithlit) that I actually started to distrust my own. Funny how it worked out though, two seer's and neither of them were wolves.

Muffin, you might want to edit your post to say the channel is now unlocked.

I'll give it a couple of days before I post the host voting.

I'll talk to Ice9 about getting new/updated sigs.

im_lost · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZeroByte's link)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If we're in agreement, is it possible if we let each other have access to our forum accounts so anyone of us can post our votes once someone gets two non-wolf votes on him?

I'm not sure if this comes under the imitation rule though. If we all agree to let each other vote on our behalf, is it still imitation?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I'm quite sure that it is against the rules to do this.

On a completely different note, since we actually had an even number of people in this game during the day time, what happens if the game gets down to 1 human and 1 wolf? Both living players know who the wolf is, yet an instalynch is impossible. Is it a tie game, or does random.org decide the winner?

Sky · May 2005

If at any time the wolves are equal in number to the humans, I thought the wolves won. There are a couple rule bending strategies hidden in various places on that wiki; the "fake log" strat comes to mind especially (notice that I am rather against it, just to be on the safe side of legality).

Also
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>However, early on in the fake seer network that started with you, Sky, you told me about lolfighters claims.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Err, what? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

Xentor · May 2005

I can't remember the reference, but as far as I'm aware, fake logs would have been legal, as long as they were plain text and not screenshots.

Byeka · May 2005

Yeah logs can be faked. I remember back in III me and slacky staged a convo so I could post it.

That's why logs have to be only posted as plain text mind you. Screenshots are way too unfair if someone has photoshop experience and others don't.

Sky · May 2005

But neither you nor slacky posed as another person, or am I remembering this incorrectly?
[edit]Damnable, I missed my 3333 post <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />

Fatal_Error · May 2005

I'm going to try to get on VI. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

BadKarma · May 2005

Fun stuff, I enjoy the deceit

Sky · May 2005

I, for one, would like to eventually be able to tell the truth in this game....

Omegaman · May 2005

Fun stuff, guys. Fun stuff.

Oh, and <b>TheMuffinMan</b> should get the Most Valuable Narrator award, because that was the best TWG story since the Infiltration...
*Sniff* Kerotan's death still brings a tear to my eye. Beaten to death by a child... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Petco · May 2005

Wolves would have a high chance of winning if the guardian didn't pick the right person to guard.

Sky · May 2005

I tried to convince Hellfire to guard Soul Rider, and Saltz to "seer" him to confirm a psychic-seer alliance, the night we tried to kill Saltz. Apparently Hellfire saw through that. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />

Isamil · May 2005

Wait..so you got me mixed up with hellfire and therefore wolfed me? Smooth...
(oh wait you wanted to get suspicion on snieldly)

Petco · May 2005

Well I hope I can join the next TWG, I didn't join this one because my computer broke on such short notice <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /> . Also I forgot about TWG. I usally go to NS forums when I go on my computer.

Byeka · May 2005

Don't forget people... email me at freak83[AT]gmail[DOT]com if you want to host the next TWG.

Snidely · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZeroByte @ May 18 2005, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This was really an enjoyable game. I want to know why I was lynched on night five though. I didn't really think that I gave anyone reason to be suspicious of me, other than SaltzBad's accusation of me anyway. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I can't speak for anyone else, but from my perspective, you had as much chance of being a wolf as being a human. Same with Xentor. Q had less chance of being a wolf, since he had wolves trying to vote him off earlier. I guess I wasn't voted off straight away (they waited to seer me) because I had a hand in voting off two wolves.

lolfighter · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Omegaman! @ May 19 2005, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>[...]Oh, and <b>TheMuffinMan</b> should get the Most Valuable Narrator award, because that was the best TWG story since the Infiltration[...]</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Oh thank <i>you.</i>

As for an endgame with only a wolf and a human left: Yeah, random.org, at least if I was the host. A tie is just not satisfying.

Well, I really sucked in this game. I'm just not cut out for this. Or maybe the ongoing stress and sleep deprivation just got the better of me. I spent the first few days being very confused about Pithlit, eventually leading me to the conclusion that he was fake. I sold him out - and to our immense luck, to Freak, and not a wolf. Fortunately, Freak was able to piece together the scattered pieces of the puzzle (I don't know whether I was kept out of the loop or just not paying attention) and eventually point to Pithlit as the real seer shortly before SaltzBad was saved. From that point on, I was pretty convinced that I was in the real seer network, and took a backseat, allowing those who actually had a clue about what was going on to play the game for me. I started writing a journal in this game, but quit it on day two, being too throughly confused about what was going on.

Oh, and an interesting tidbit: When I incriminated Sky at the end of day two, I was pretty convinced that he was a human and Pithlit a wolf. I reckoned that he stood no chance of getting lynched anyway, and I could always go back on my own words once I was absolutely sure that Pithlit was a wolf and could sell him out in public. Also, Pithlit was growing very insistent, while I really really wanted him to seer Freak (whom Pithlit was 99% sure was a wolf), so we struck a deal: I did as Pithlit said, and he seered Freak. I expected him to call Freak a wolf, which would just have cemented my doubts about Pithlit, but to my surprise (and his own too) he confirmed Freak to be human. I think that this was the beginning of the turning point for me, as I had so far been able to twist and interpret everything that Pithlit said and did as pointing towards him being a wolf. When he called Freak a human, the finely constructed "Pithlit is a wolf"-picture started to crumble.

I think I'm sitting out on the next game, but I'm thinking about hosting TWG VII if time permits and I'm given the chance. I think I have an idea with potential. And this time I'm swapping Sci-Fi for a more esotheric theme.

Edit: Oh, and I still can't believe I made it through this alive. Guess the wolves quite rightly reckoned me to be too stupid to be a threat.

ZeroByte · May 2005

No lol, if you look at our wolfing document, you were one of the experienced people we wanted killed. Its just that you didn't present us any opportunities to make wolfing you count.

Also if anyone wants to host a TWG, I think <a href='http://girlsarepretty.com/2005_05_01_girlsarepretty_archive.html#111596137463116785' target='_blank'>scenario</a> could be pretty interesting. I hope that in the next TWG, the timezones will be much more sane. I was able to take part in this one because I'm inbetween trimesters right now, allowing me the opportunity to stay up till 4am <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />