<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 07:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 07:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We're not talking about an armed person here, no. And any kind of lethal or even harmful force would've been a total overreaction. But someone who steadfastly refuses to obey the directions of the police needs to be forced into compliance somehow. Words don't work on someone who is hellbent on disregarding anything said to her. A taser can't just be ignored. What were they supposed to do? Keep talking to her and see who has more time to waste? Let her go? "Oh yeah, we tried to arrest her, but she didn't want to, so we had to let her go." Yeah right.
She was speeding, did not posess a valid driver's license and did not comply with police instructions. They used a relatively harmless weapon to incapacitate her while they handcuffed her. Boo-flipping-hoo. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <b><3</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Jun 16 2005, 08:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jun 16 2005, 08:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Can we taze her yet? Can we taze her yet? I wanna try out the tazer! We've asked her three times, right? Cool, jab her with it." ROFLECOPTER!
That's the impression I get.
Now, I've never been tazed. I <i>don't</i> know how much it actually hurts, though that seems pretty irrelevant judging by the woman's reaction.
There are two things I take offense at: the taser seemed to be the first resort. Zapping someone who fails to respect authority is acceptable practise, is it? Yeah, they used to whip slaves, too. Life's not a ****ing webcomic - in the real world stupidity is <i>not</i> justification for inflicting physical pain.
Second, I'm kind of shocked at how many people find it <i>funny</i> to watch a video of a woman screaming on the ground. Hillarious. You make me sick. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I havent watched it yet but I'm already smiling. Personally I think the dirtbag deserved all that she got for the descriptions so far. B*tch dont want to step out of your car?
*whips out tazer*
I shall do the stepping for you.
edit: i think its better when shes howling for five minutes after the pain is done, then when he touches her she yells LOUDER. Real bad at faking. The officer KNOWS it doesnt hurt anymore, this is rediculous.
She's probably hysteric, in which case her behaviour afterwards makes more sense. Sounds hysteric to me, at least. She's probably shocked that her actions have consequences.
I have to say i acnoledge the first tasing as rightfully to get her out of the car.
BUT
if you look and listen carefully, when she doesn´t put her arms behind her head after lieing down on the ground (she says she can´t (a rather normal reaction, when you can´t use a muscle)) they tase her again (afterwarning her though)!!!
Its not like she had an option here, she couldn´t move and because the couldn´t take her arms behid her head they frikkin tase her again! THat was highly unnecessary in my eyes.
And for the continuous sobbing: You MAY get a cramp during a tasing, resulting in quite much pain until it comes off.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pithlit+Jun 16 2005, 09:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pithlit @ Jun 16 2005, 09:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have to say i acnoledge the first tasing as rightfully to get her out of the car.
BUT
if you look and listen carefully, when she doesn´t put her arms behind her head after lieing down on the ground (she says she can´t (a rather normal reaction, when you can´t use a muscle)) they tase her again (afterwarning her though)!!!
Its not like she had an option here, she couldn´t move and because the couldn´t take her arms behid her head they frikkin tase her again! THat was highly unnecessary in my eyes.
And for the continuous sobbing: You MAY get a cramp during a tasing, resulting in quite much pain until it comes off. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd have to say that if I just got tasered my arms would be behind my back even if I didnt have any. She sure as hell <i>put them there</i> after the second tasering.
I mean, these <i>take the warning labels off of things and the stupid people will kill themselves</i> things are real funny and clever, but I've gotta just remind you that if we nerds had any common sense we wouldn't be posting things on this here forum.
You're a person. She's a person. I'm a person. Those cops are people too. We all make mistakes, okay?
<!--QuoteBegin-lolf+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolf)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yep. She was speeding without a license. I've seen my share of traffic victims during my work at the hospital, and they're rarely a pretty sight. And it doesn't matter who CAUSES the accident, people die indiscriminately.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> She was speeding with a suspended license (there's quite a difference, seeing as how people with suspended licenses generally don't even know). In America, neither speeding nor driving with a suspended license warrants an arrest or physical action - just a big fat ticket and a court date.
If the lady had a weapon, the taser was warranted. Truth is, the cops were probably just frustrated and wanted to take some steam out on somebody who couldn't fight back (I've been involved with the emergency services - Ambulance, Fire, Police - for my entire life. I know the type).
<!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jun 16 2005, 09:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jun 16 2005, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You're a person. She's a person. I'm a person. Those cops are people too. We all make mistakes, okay? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Correction: She be a piece of trash, and she deserved what she got. The action was justified. The officer went through, warned the woman <i>several</i> times that he was going to use the taser, she disreguarded the warning and he used it. No harm done, except for the breif 50,000 volts of electricity and the aftershock of getting what was comming to you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jun 16 2005, 10:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jun 16 2005, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Like I said - I personally know several cops who also happen to be pieces of trash.
(as long as we're throwing ignorant labels around. Why not?) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ignorant labels? Did you even watch the video? I never said cops werent trash, that woman was a prime, grade A example of a piece of **** that deserved a good **** kicking.
I suspect many of you find this unjustified because she's a woman. If it were a man resisting arrest, you would have no problems with him being tasered. If you think tasers are dangerous, perhaps you would have prefered pepper-spray?
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
edited June 2005
what people don't seem to get is that the tazer is actualy the lowest form of force they can use.
once a cop has asked you to do something and you refuse it is now their JOB to force you to do it.
if you repeatedly ignore a police officer, they are suposed to then resort to force.
In this case the LEAST amount of force he could have ussed was the taser.
Every one goes "OLO WHY DIDNT HE JUST SHOOT HER!!!" b/c that is the wrong amount of force. why didn't he forcibly drag her from the car? More of a chance of perminent injury then a tazer. Tear gas? serious long term respritory problems Gun? yah, right. they have to show a willingness to use deadly force. rubber bullets. Those things break bones almost always. what other choice does he have?
sit around and wait for her to finish yapping at her friend about how they are trying to arrest her? no. Personaly, the response time on police calls is way to friken long as is, I don't need them sitting around at the scene of a trafic violation when they could be responding to robery, domestic disturbance (aka sposal beating), etc etc.
I still fail to see some one post up a good argument as to what he SHOULD have done.
Oh, and for those that don't understand why tazer is a lower level of force then manipulating some one: The only reliable way to disable/controll some one is via large amounts of pain or ACTUALY disabling them (brekaing/disloacting limbs etc). yes you CAN disable/controll with out caussing lasting dmg, however it is realy friken hard (a simple hand/arm lock can easily end up with a broken wrist/dislocated arm if the person continues to resist)
now, you have this nifty little device that compleatly incapacitates some one for a couple seconds with out any lasting harm. Or you can probably end up breaking/dislocating sometinhg.
<!--QuoteBegin-Supernorn+Jun 16 2005, 10:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Supernorn @ Jun 16 2005, 10:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Stop sticking up for the stupid woman. If she wasnt a stupid **** she wouldnt of got tasered. simple as that.
He said "GET OUT OF THE CAR OR I WILL TASER YOU" like six times.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> y'know, I don't think I defended the woman even once in all that I've written.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what people don't seem to get is that the tazer is actualy the lowest form of force they can use.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I would take being pulled from my vehicle anyday over getting paralyzed, pulled from my vehicle, and the paralyzed again while on the ground. Seriously.
I'm under the impression that a taser shock is like putting your finger in the electrical socket. It wont kill you (unless youre a child or elderly or ill) but it will hurt horribly.
Also, the police officer used the invented verb "Tase" and i think theres a high chance that this woman wouldnt know what that means until he pointed it at her. She told her friend it was a gun, and may have thought it was a regular pistol. The item is a Tazer, and a lot of people havent heard of them, let alone the new verb form Tase.
Lots of people dont know their harddrive from their modem, and we expect a random city woman to understand "STEP OUT OF YOR VEHIKLE OR I WILL TAYS YOU" shouted into her ear?
<!--QuoteBegin-Supernorn+Jun 16 2005, 04:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Supernorn @ Jun 16 2005, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Stop sticking up for the stupid woman. If she wasnt a stupid **** she wouldnt of got tasered. simple as that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Quoted for the truth.
<!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Jun 16 2005, 07:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Jun 16 2005, 07:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's some funny **** right there.
Especially since she keeps HOWLING for minutes after the taser is finished... dear god, the pain stops after 10 seconds or so! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A question, have you ever used taser on yourself? 50.000 volt twice. I bet you would scream like a baby if you got those 2 x 50.000 volt shots.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zel+Jun 16 2005, 10:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Jun 16 2005, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm under the impression that a taser shock is like putting your finger in the electrical socket. It wont kill you (unless youre a child or elderly or ill) but it will hurt horribly.
Also, the police officer used the invented verb "Tase" and i think theres a high chance that this woman wouldnt know what that means until he pointed it at her. She told her friend it was a gun, and may have thought it was a regular pistol. The item is a Tazer, and a lot of people havent heard of them, let alone the new verb form Tase.
Lots of people dont know their harddrive from their modem, and we expect a random city woman to understand "STEP OUT OF YOR VEHIKLE OR I WILL TAYS YOU" shouted into her ear?
she deserved a fine, not on-site torture. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> cheers!
I think its time we all read some background info <a href='http://www.gungfu.com/pics_info_pages/stun_guns_air_taser.htm' target='_blank'>INFO</a>
She got what she asked for by not complying to the cops. There other options were gun, baton, or maybe tear gas. All of which lead to much worse outcomes some even long term. The cop is there to protect the general populas not sit for the next 5min to 3 hours waiting for the person the decide they should be arested. Just be glad that you can be tazered instead of having a cop beat you into submision as a first thought with no pentalty to him.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jun 16 2005, 10:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jun 16 2005, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what people don't seem to get is that the tazer is actualy the lowest form of force they can use.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I would take being pulled from my vehicle anyday over getting paralyzed, pulled from my vehicle, and the paralyzed again while on the ground. Seriously. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And I would take compliance with the Police.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zel+Jun 16 2005, 10:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Jun 16 2005, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm under the impression that a taser shock is like putting your finger in the electrical socket. It wont kill you (unless youre a child or elderly or ill) but it will hurt horribly.
Also, the police officer used the invented verb "Tase" and i think theres a high chance that this woman wouldnt know what that means until he pointed it at her. She told her friend it was a gun, and may have thought it was a regular pistol. The item is a Tazer, and a lot of people havent heard of them, let alone the new verb form Tase.
Lots of people dont know their harddrive from their modem, and we expect a random city woman to understand "STEP OUT OF YOR VEHIKLE OR I WILL TAYS YOU" shouted into her ear?
she deserved a fine, not on-site torture. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Torture is reading your opinion and realizing you actually believe what you say
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For the people saying he should have pulled her out of the car, put yourself in his situation. Are you willing to bet your life she dosnt have a weapon? Or the life of your partner? I'm not. But i'm damn sure willing to put her personal comfort on the line.
CWAG, the heart of my argument is a simple assumption that people are ignorant of things outside their lives. Yes, she was dumb, but if we dont protect the rights of others to be dumb, we lose another right ourselves.
For everyone saying you should listen to everything the policeman says, what if he asks you to do something out of the ordinary? say he requests you lick his boot, Choice1 agree and complain to the supervisor, who may or may not repremand the officer. Choice2, resist and get tasered.
I dont like the idea of any person having that much indiscriminate power over others, simply due to wearing the badge. (You know they let people whove never been to University be policemen? theyre blue collar tradesmen, to be respected when they do their job well and disrepected when they do their job improperly, not a higher class of citizen!)
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jun 16 2005, 11:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 16 2005, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For the people saying he should have pulled her out of the car, put yourself in his situation. Are you willing to bet your life she dosnt have a weapon? Or the life of your partner? I'm not. But i'm damn sure willing to put her personal comfort on the line. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I would much rather the policeman was forced to be brave and have a dangerous/courageous life than have to worry about being assaulted next time i'm pulled over for speeding.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jun 16 2005, 11:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 16 2005, 11:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Zel+Jun 16 2005, 10:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Jun 16 2005, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm under the impression that a taser shock is like putting your finger in the electrical socket. It wont kill you (unless youre a child or elderly or ill) but it will hurt horribly.
Also, the police officer used the invented verb "Tase" and i think theres a high chance that this woman wouldnt know what that means until he pointed it at her. She told her friend it was a gun, and may have thought it was a regular pistol. The item is a Tazer, and a lot of people havent heard of them, let alone the new verb form Tase.
Lots of people dont know their harddrive from their modem, and we expect a random city woman to understand "STEP OUT OF YOR VEHIKLE OR I WILL TAYS YOU" shouted into her ear?
she deserved a fine, not on-site torture. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Torture is reading your opinion and realizing you actually believe what you say<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and there I was, thinking you were, you know, socially conscious
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The method of incapacitation by the TASER is the least violent means possible for ending dangerous situations. In fact, a study was conducted on patients admitted to the Emergency Department of the King/Drew Medical Center in Los Angeles, who had been shot with a TASER between July 1980 and December 1985. These 218 subjects were compared to 22 similar patients shot with .38 Specials. In this report, 92% of those patients stated they had total amnesia about the event and could not remember being subjected to the TASER. Furthermore, the study indicated the TASER did not cause conscious pain.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And if you're disobeying a police officer, a representative of the government that you live/serve under, you're going to get owned.
Think of running around for about an hour at full tilt. Muscles are sore? That's basically the aftermath of a taser.
She deserved what she got. She didn't comply with an officer's demands (which were perfectly reasonable).
If you obey the law, no harm need come to you (except in times of war when dissent leads to the gestapo coming to your house, killing your children, raping your wife, and sending you to a first rate "internment camp" which feeds you soylent green made out of the people who came before you).
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She was speeding, did not posess a valid driver's license and did not comply with police instructions. They used a relatively harmless weapon to incapacitate her while they handcuffed her. Boo-flipping-hoo. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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That's the impression I get.
Now, I've never been tazed. I <i>don't</i> know how much it actually hurts, though that seems pretty irrelevant judging by the woman's reaction.
There are two things I take offense at: the taser seemed to be the first resort. Zapping someone who fails to respect authority is acceptable practise, is it? Yeah, they used to whip slaves, too. Life's not a ****ing webcomic - in the real world stupidity is <i>not</i> justification for inflicting physical pain.
Second, I'm kind of shocked at how many people find it <i>funny</i> to watch a video of a woman screaming on the ground. Hillarious. You make me sick. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I havent watched it yet but I'm already smiling. Personally I think the dirtbag deserved all that she got for the descriptions so far. B*tch dont want to step out of your car?
*whips out tazer*
I shall do the stepping for you.
edit: i think its better when shes howling for five minutes after the pain is done, then when he touches her she yells LOUDER. Real bad at faking. The officer KNOWS it doesnt hurt anymore, this is rediculous.
BUT
if you look and listen carefully, when she doesn´t put her arms behind her head after lieing down on the ground (she says she can´t (a rather normal reaction, when you can´t use a muscle)) they tase her again (afterwarning her though)!!!
Its not like she had an option here, she couldn´t move and because the couldn´t take her arms behid her head they frikkin tase her again! THat was highly unnecessary in my eyes.
And for the continuous sobbing: You MAY get a cramp during a tasing, resulting in quite much pain until it comes off.
BUT
if you look and listen carefully, when she doesn´t put her arms behind her head after lieing down on the ground (she says she can´t (a rather normal reaction, when you can´t use a muscle)) they tase her again (afterwarning her though)!!!
Its not like she had an option here, she couldn´t move and because the couldn´t take her arms behid her head they frikkin tase her again! THat was highly unnecessary in my eyes.
And for the continuous sobbing: You MAY get a cramp during a tasing, resulting in quite much pain until it comes off. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd have to say that if I just got tasered my arms would be behind my back even if I didnt have any. She sure as hell <i>put them there</i> after the second tasering.
Seems that a prerequisite for being a geek is arrogance towards stupidity and, being the smartest people ever, a built-in Stupid Radar© so we can nail that stuff down wherever it may roam. Even more disturbing is the belief that stupidity should be punished with violence - lol u liek Macs? SHOOT UR FACE LOL! (well put, Skorp) - because we sure as hell ain't got any of that stuff ourselves.
I mean, these <i>take the warning labels off of things and the stupid people will kill themselves</i> things are real funny and clever, but I've gotta just remind you that if we nerds had any common sense we wouldn't be posting things on this here forum.
You're a person. She's a person. I'm a person. Those cops are people too. We all make mistakes, okay?
<!--QuoteBegin-lolf+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolf)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yep. She was speeding without a license. I've seen my share of traffic victims during my work at the hospital, and they're rarely a pretty sight. And it doesn't matter who CAUSES the accident, people die indiscriminately.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
She was speeding with a suspended license (there's quite a difference, seeing as how people with suspended licenses generally don't even know). In America, neither speeding nor driving with a suspended license warrants an arrest or physical action - just a big fat ticket and a court date.
If the lady had a weapon, the taser was warranted. Truth is, the cops were probably just frustrated and wanted to take some steam out on somebody who couldn't fight back (I've been involved with the emergency services - Ambulance, Fire, Police - for my entire life. I know the type).
That's cowardice - not justice.
Correction: She be a piece of trash, and she deserved what she got. The action was justified. The officer went through, warned the woman <i>several</i> times that he was going to use the taser, she disreguarded the warning and he used it. No harm done, except for the breif 50,000 volts of electricity and the aftershock of getting what was comming to you.
(as long as we're throwing ignorant labels around. Why not?)
(as long as we're throwing ignorant labels around. Why not?) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ignorant labels? Did you even watch the video? I never said cops werent trash, that woman was a prime, grade A example of a piece of **** that deserved a good **** kicking.
He said "GET OUT OF THE CAR OR I WILL TASER YOU" like six times.
once a cop has asked you to do something and you refuse it is now their JOB to force you to do it.
if you repeatedly ignore a police officer, they are suposed to then resort to force.
In this case the LEAST amount of force he could have ussed was the taser.
Every one goes "OLO WHY DIDNT HE JUST SHOOT HER!!!"
b/c that is the wrong amount of force.
why didn't he forcibly drag her from the car? More of a chance of perminent injury then a tazer.
Tear gas? serious long term respritory problems
Gun? yah, right. they have to show a willingness to use deadly force.
rubber bullets. Those things break bones almost always.
what other choice does he have?
sit around and wait for her to finish yapping at her friend about how they are trying to arrest her?
no. Personaly, the response time on police calls is way to friken long as is, I don't need them sitting around at the scene of a trafic violation when they could be responding to robery, domestic disturbance (aka sposal beating), etc etc.
I still fail to see some one post up a good argument as to what he SHOULD have done.
Oh, and for those that don't understand why tazer is a lower level of force then manipulating some one:
The only reliable way to disable/controll some one is via large amounts of pain or ACTUALY disabling them (brekaing/disloacting limbs etc). yes you CAN disable/controll with out caussing lasting dmg, however it is realy friken hard (a simple hand/arm lock can easily end up with a broken wrist/dislocated arm if the person continues to resist)
now, you have this nifty little device that compleatly incapacitates some one for a couple seconds with out any lasting harm.
Or you can probably end up breaking/dislocating sometinhg.
hit me with the friken tazer.
He said "GET OUT OF THE CAR OR I WILL TASER YOU" like six times.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
y'know, I don't think I defended the woman even once in all that I've written.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what people don't seem to get is that the tazer is actualy the lowest form of force they can use.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would take being pulled from my vehicle anyday over getting paralyzed, pulled from my vehicle, and the paralyzed again while on the ground. Seriously.
Also, the police officer used the invented verb "Tase" and i think theres a high chance that this woman wouldnt know what that means until he pointed it at her. She told her friend it was a gun, and may have thought it was a regular pistol. The item is a Tazer, and a lot of people havent heard of them, let alone the new verb form Tase.
Lots of people dont know their harddrive from their modem, and we expect a random city woman to understand "STEP OUT OF YOR VEHIKLE OR I WILL TAYS YOU" shouted into her ear?
she deserved a fine, not on-site torture.
Quoted for the truth.
Especially since she keeps HOWLING for minutes after the taser is finished... dear god, the pain stops after 10 seconds or so! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
A question, have you ever used taser on yourself?
50.000 volt twice.
I bet you would scream like a baby if you got those 2 x 50.000 volt shots.
You ignore the police you get punished, simple as
Also, the police officer used the invented verb "Tase" and i think theres a high chance that this woman wouldnt know what that means until he pointed it at her. She told her friend it was a gun, and may have thought it was a regular pistol. The item is a Tazer, and a lot of people havent heard of them, let alone the new verb form Tase.
Lots of people dont know their harddrive from their modem, and we expect a random city woman to understand "STEP OUT OF YOR VEHIKLE OR I WILL TAYS YOU" shouted into her ear?
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cheers!
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She got what she asked for by not complying to the cops. There other options were gun, baton, or maybe tear gas. All of which lead to much worse outcomes some even long term. The cop is there to protect the general populas not sit for the next 5min to 3 hours waiting for the person the decide they should be arested. Just be glad that you can be tazered instead of having a cop beat you into submision as a first thought with no pentalty to him.
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And I would take compliance with the Police.
Also, the police officer used the invented verb "Tase" and i think theres a high chance that this woman wouldnt know what that means until he pointed it at her. She told her friend it was a gun, and may have thought it was a regular pistol. The item is a Tazer, and a lot of people havent heard of them, let alone the new verb form Tase.
Lots of people dont know their harddrive from their modem, and we expect a random city woman to understand "STEP OUT OF YOR VEHIKLE OR I WILL TAYS YOU" shouted into her ear?
she deserved a fine, not on-site torture. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Torture is reading your opinion and realizing you actually believe what you say
For everyone saying you should listen to everything the policeman says, what if he asks you to do something out of the ordinary? say he requests you lick his boot, Choice1 agree and complain to the supervisor, who may or may not repremand the officer. Choice2, resist and get tasered.
I dont like the idea of any person having that much indiscriminate power over others, simply due to wearing the badge. (You know they let people whove never been to University be policemen? theyre blue collar tradesmen, to be respected when they do their job well and disrepected when they do their job improperly, not a higher class of citizen!)
I would much rather the policeman was forced to be brave and have a dangerous/courageous life than have to worry about being assaulted next time i'm pulled over for speeding.
Also, the police officer used the invented verb "Tase" and i think theres a high chance that this woman wouldnt know what that means until he pointed it at her. She told her friend it was a gun, and may have thought it was a regular pistol. The item is a Tazer, and a lot of people havent heard of them, let alone the new verb form Tase.
Lots of people dont know their harddrive from their modem, and we expect a random city woman to understand "STEP OUT OF YOR VEHIKLE OR I WILL TAYS YOU" shouted into her ear?
she deserved a fine, not on-site torture. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Torture is reading your opinion and realizing you actually believe what you say<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and there I was, thinking you were, you know, socially conscious
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ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
And if you're disobeying a police officer, a representative of the government that you live/serve under, you're going to get owned.
Think of running around for about an hour at full tilt. Muscles are sore? That's basically the aftermath of a taser.
She deserved what she got. She didn't comply with an officer's demands (which were perfectly reasonable).
If you obey the law, no harm need come to you (except in times of war when dissent leads to the gestapo coming to your house, killing your children, raping your wife, and sending you to a first rate "internment camp" which feeds you soylent green made out of the people who came before you).