Scientists Make Zombie Dogs!

NeonSpyder

<!--QuoteBegin-BaconTheory+Jun 27 2005, 08:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BaconTheory @ Jun 27 2005, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And on the subject of using this to put people into a psuedo-hibernation for long space flights, it would only work if there was some sort of computer-automated system for taking care of the humans. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well <b><i>Duh</i></b>


And about the re-killing of inmates. this procedure doesn't really "kill" the person, it just makes their bodies stop a-ticken. if you electrocute the body beforehand there are.. uhm.. very few chances of having it become un-electrocuted.

AllUrHiveRblong2us

<!--QuoteBegin-BaconTheory+Jun 27 2005, 08:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BaconTheory @ Jun 27 2005, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is it just me or does bringing people back from the dead just sound <i>wrong</i>? I mean, nature intended for us to die. So basically, you're fighting nature. When you fight nature, we all get screwed. Case in point: <a href='http://img126.echo.cx/img126/2426/twister28xb.jpg' target='_blank'>Twister</a>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you're saying in order to fight death all we need is a belt and a conveniently placed pipe?

Invader_Scoot

<!--QuoteBegin-BaconTheory+Jun 27 2005, 08:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BaconTheory @ Jun 27 2005, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is it just me or does bringing people back from the dead just sound <i>wrong</i>? I mean, nature intended for us to die. So basically, you're fighting nature. When you fight nature, we all get screwed. Case in point: <a href='http://img126.echo.cx/img126/2426/twister28xb.jpg' target='_blank'>Twister</a>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fighting causes tornados? I thought tornados were produced from storms, large rain clouds. Do fights cause rain clouds?

locallyunscene

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fighting causes tornados? I thought tornados were produced from storms, large rain clouds. Do fights cause rain clouds?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

nonononono ZOMBIE DOGS cause tornadoes.

awesome article, rather creepy though. The fact that they said there is no brain damage , wow.

JediYoshi

I coulda sworn I saw black and white video footage of Germans doing this on the History channel, along with keeping a heart alive out of a body.

PvtBones

it needed to be said:

<i>I for one, welcome our new Zombie dog overlords!</i>

but yea there not really zombies otherwise you'd hear them moaning for brains or like chew toys or something.

I'm sure the military will be interested in use this.

frostymoose

I wonder what they'll remember when they wake up.

NeonSpyder

I wonder how they're going to induce the human "deaths". and whether or not anesthetics are going to be liberally induced.

moultano

That would have to be scary as hell.

SoulSkorpion

<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 28 2005, 06:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 28 2005, 06:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NeonSpyder+Jun 27 2005, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NeonSpyder @ Jun 27 2005, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes i'll agree with you there depot, it's just a problem of anyone caring enough to send colony ships full of freeze-packed humans to a distant world.


the second problem being we dont actually have any worlds to travel *to*.  aside from mars.  but we dont need suspended animation to get to mars.  mars is right next door.

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What I'm referring to is obviously way off in the distant future. Neither you nor I will see it happen in our lifetimes, but long distance space travel will happen one day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well outside our lifetimes? Not if we fill our bodies with freezing saline solution now, and swap it for blood again when space travel's become viable <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

That aside, I think this is a fantastic idea. It's really a case of "power down for repairs" rather than "it's aliiiive! aliiiiive! I AM THE LORD OF CREATION! BWAHAHAHAHA!"... although you do have to wonder what the next stage is; how long it'll take before scientists construct animals completely artificially (well, if not "artificially" then "in seperate parts, reassembled and then activated").

[WHO]Them

This is an amazing advancement for critical surgeries such as heart transplants. Imagine if the doctor didn't have to worry about pulling that little bastard out of there.

Cold_NiTe

How do you know it's the same dog? Where did the dog go while it was dead? What did it feel?

Shoebox

AHHHH ZOMBIE DOGS!!! RUN AWAYYYY!!!

NeonSpyder

Well Cold-Nite, i suppose we'll find out once Human clinical trials begin... in about a year.




WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW?

DOOManiac

<!--QuoteBegin-T h e m+Jun 27 2005, 10:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (T h e m @ Jun 27 2005, 10:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is an amazing advancement for critical surgeries such as heart transplants. Imagine if the doctor didn't have to worry about pulling that little bastard out of there. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And finally, Kano could forgo his life of crime and spend time helping others through medicine!

Mullet

I don't understand...dosn't a brain die after so many minutes without oxygen? They said they were pronounced dead after 3 hours though, I don't see how it's possible <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Cold_NiTe

<!--QuoteBegin-NeonSpyder+Jun 28 2005, 01:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NeonSpyder @ Jun 28 2005, 01:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well Cold-Nite, i suppose we'll find out once Human clinical trials begin... in about a year.




WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://whereisyourgodnow.ytmnd.com/' target='_blank'>My retort!</a>

Anyway, I'm scared of this, from an ethical standpoint. But hey, I always was paranoid.

Chrono

<!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Jun 27 2005, 10:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Jun 27 2005, 10:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How do you know it's the same dog? Where did the dog go while it was dead? What did it feel? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
you can find out by asking some one whos also been considered "clinicly dead" there are plently of people that have been considered dead for a few minutes before being revived

Cold_NiTe

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you can find out by asking some one whos also been considered "clinicly dead" there are plently of people that have been considered dead for a few minutes before being revived <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But give them 3 hours, and what will their story be?

NeonSpyder

I suppose we'll find out, now wont we cold nite?

CForrester

<!--QuoteBegin-NeonSpyder+Jun 27 2005, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NeonSpyder @ Jun 27 2005, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes i'll agree with you there depot, it's just a problem of anyone caring enough to send colony ships full of freeze-packed humans to a distant world.


the second problem being we dont actually have any worlds to travel *to*. aside from mars. but we dont need suspended animation to get to mars. mars is right next door.

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That, and:

1) How long does the preservation last? It might not be viable for long periods of downtime.

2) How much damage does it cause the body? Freezing DOES damage cells, and repeated use could show serious damage to the body.

3) How will you keep the blood alive? You have to get blood to your destination, otherwise all you'll have at the end of the day is a bunch of frozen humans.

Renegade

Well, if they manage to pull this off with humans, we'll have the first <i>real</i> resurrection since the time of Christ.

NeonSpyder

<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jun 28 2005, 02:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jun 28 2005, 02:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That, and:

1) How long does the preservation last? It might not be viable for long periods of downtime.

2) How much damage does it cause the body? Freezing DOES damage cells, and repeated use could show serious damage to the body.

3) How will you keep the blood alive? You have to get blood to your destination, otherwise all you'll have at the end of the day is a bunch of frozen humans. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
All good points Forrester, I agree with you and i was talking about it with my family over dinner, and I remembered that the article mentioned that the body was cooled to 7 degrees centigrade which, is if i recall correctly, above freezing <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Secondly I was also concerned about the possible limitations of the suspension, How long could the body go before deteriorating? We dont know. Simple as that.

Hopefully, by the time this sort of thinking becomes viable, and we will actually be sending people to other planets in some kind of suspension, I would like to assume it possible to replicate blood in-transit to be fresh and ready to pump back into the human cargo on arrival.

Parasit3

pure awesome. maybe people can finally tell us what happens after death when they get revived

Darkns

I'm surprised that this is appearing on the internet now...
...as I believe it was in a Scientific American article some 2 months ago...?
GMT +1440? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[WHO]Them

<!--QuoteBegin-Mullet+Jun 27 2005, 11:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Jun 27 2005, 11:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't understand...dosn't a brain die after so many minutes without oxygen? They said they were pronounced dead after 3 hours though, I don't see how it's possible <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The funny thing about biochemistry is that it works differently in different temperatures. Lowering the temperature of anything generally slows all biological processes.

Trevelyan

It seems to have nothing to do with zombies. Its an article on reanimation from cold sleep. I'd like to be put in a freezer, i personally hate the present. When are the signups?

Cold_NiTe

<!--QuoteBegin-NeonSpyder+Jun 28 2005, 01:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NeonSpyder @ Jun 28 2005, 01:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I suppose we'll find out, now wont we cold nite? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or it'll be like The Ring and some dead spirit will sneak into a human body, lol.

Align

I guess this is smarter than having your head cut off and put in the freezer.

Koulnis

<!--QuoteBegin-Align+Jun 28 2005, 02:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Jun 28 2005, 02:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I guess this is smarter than having your head cut off and put in the freezer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Reanimator ftw...

They have the process to revive, now they need the process to preserve.

And in all seriousness, I would be one of the first to step up for human testing... imagine the money that would be offered to me...

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I win...


And does this mean marines really have a way to respawn now?