Ps3 Is The Console For Me!

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  • KungFuSquirrelKungFuSquirrel Basher of Muttons Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited July 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-NEO Phyte+Jul 31 2005, 03:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO Phyte @ Jul 31 2005, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> /me points to his UT2k4 folder <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The base install of UT2K4 is 3.5 gigs for the Editor's choice version, 3 gigs for standard. Anything else (distributed mods, gigs of video tutorials, etc) isn't going to ship on a console disc and certainly doesn't count toward raw game content size. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I can go on and on about how my HL directory topped out at about 10 gigs over time, but that doesn't mean the game grew beyond its ~400 meg space requirement.
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  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    To be honest bullet I can't see 'long games with good graphics' coming because of the increased size; the main reason for it being 'short but great' or 'long but poop' is more down to budget i suspect than cramspace :p

    Each generation of console seems exponentially more expensive than the last to develop content for as well from what I've been hearing :s
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  • NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons&#33; Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
    edited July 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel+Jul 31 2005, 04:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Jul 31 2005, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO Phyte+Jul 31 2005, 03:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO Phyte @ Jul 31 2005, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> /me points to his UT2k4 folder <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The base install of UT2K4 is 3.5 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    holy **** that is alot of mods

    :edit: ok, my TEXTURES folder is around that big, as well as my maps folder, and i dont think that mods store straight into the base folders
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  • KungFuSquirrelKungFuSquirrel Basher of Muttons Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    aha, true. But official bonus packs do. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> So there's probably some unadvertised bloat there, but still pretty normal (especially when you remember, like I just did, that 2k4 isn't just 2k4, it's 2k3 PLUS 2k4 content, so it's almost 2 games worth of levels and textures!)

    Red Orchestra in itself is almost a gig for me, probably more with newer versions. :o Yipe!
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  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    edited July 2005
    This news pretty much just crushed all hopes of me getting a 360, some people dont have major money to blow on consoles, and i dont want to be stuck with a DVD only release console when 3 or 4 years into its lifespan all of the games are coming out on HDDVD.

    Very bad move. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • RoverRover blargh Join Date: 2003-09-23 Member: 21139Members
    edited July 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Aug 1 2005, 12:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Aug 1 2005, 12:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh, that's rich. You expect them to charge less because they'll only have to pay the five cents for the medium once, and not four times? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    First of al it's more than 5 cents (probably way more for a dual layer blue-ray).
    Second they also sell games combined now for a cheaper price, why not put 'em on 1 disc ?


    edit: typo
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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    Didn't the team making Blu-Ray and the team making HD-DVD join forces to make a format with the best of both?

    And since when have games ever used even 15 GB of space, anyway?

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First of al it's more than 5 cents (probably way more for a dual layer blue-ray).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It costs five cents to manufacture a DVD.

    Blu-Ray will probably be like 15 cents per disc.
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 31 2005, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 31 2005, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Didn't the team making Blu-Ray and the team making HD-DVD join forces to make a format with the best of both? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For a few months, then they split off and reinstated their format wars.
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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jul 31 2005, 10:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jul 31 2005, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 31 2005, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 31 2005, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Didn't the team making Blu-Ray and the team making HD-DVD join forces to make a format with the best of both? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For a few months, then they split off and reinstated their format wars. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Figures. :/

    Anyway, I believe that the main difference between DVD and Blu-Ray is the laser used, rather than a different material. So Blu-Ray discs won't be much more expensive than DVDs.
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  • Crono5Crono5 Join Date: 2003-07-22 Member: 18357Members
    You'll probably be able to buy some sort of cheaper update when they start releasing HD-DVD games, but yeah, this is stupid of them to do. Format in and of itself aside, expansions never work out right. I don't think anyone forgets the 32x or NDD, hmm? Unless all it takes is a simple firmware update I doubt this'll go over well.
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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    32x had ONE game. Better analogy would be the SegaCD, followed by the release of the Saturn. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crono5+Jul 31 2005, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crono5 @ Jul 31 2005, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> expansions never work out right. I don't think anyone forgets the 32x or NDD, hmm? Unless all it takes is a simple firmware update I doubt this'll go over well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dont forget the ps2 HDD <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    You know on of the things that could be done with the extra disk space?

    They could make games for a movie, and bundle the movie with the game, that would fill up some extra space.
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  • iFireiFire Join Date: 2002-07-31 Member: 1038Members
    edited August 2005
    Too bad you can't precache interactive content, stuff like second life. You can't write anywhere <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> except to a "seperate" hard drive. I see content being made by players as the future <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • StormLiongStormLiong Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11569Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jul 31 2005, 09:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jul 31 2005, 09:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 31 2005, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 31 2005, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Didn't the team making Blu-Ray and the team making HD-DVD join forces to make a format with the best of both? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For a few months, then they split off and reinstated their format wars. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Apparently they were working out an agreement into joining forces. But then it turned out in the agreement Sony's definition of joining forces was to push Blu-Ray forward instead of HD-DVD, so Toshiba bailed out.
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I still think format wars are stupid...

    I mean hell I my parents don't even know the difference between a CD and a DVD. Now there's gonna be 2 other things to confuse them...

    Not to mention that w/ the exception of games/data storage, there's no reason for either blu ray or hd-dvd yet. For most movies plain old DVD will work more than just fine. I guess some TV series would benefit from it cause you could put an entire season on 1 disc, but other than that I just don't know...
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    There are already quite a few movies that come on two dvds.
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  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    I'm just curious, but regarding the pacing of the format wars, has it been the same amount of years as it was between CD's and DVD's as it is between DVD's and our new options? I wonder if things are speeding up beyond what is reasonably necessary.
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  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    Well Doomeh there are purists out there who claim quite prominantly that DVD quality is still not enough, and i can kind of believe it if they have an HDTV widescreen massive sex-in-your-face Multimedia center. Not to mention if you want to play a DVD on a projector you can REALLY see the loss once the area of display increases (trust me, hook up a projector onto a garage wall and unless you're like right next to the projector you'll notice the dip in quality)



    I agree format wars are stupid.



    Briefly touching on the fact that you're unable to write anything to disk while you're playing a game i think that all consoles should have a harddrive <i>standard</i> <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    They can be used as a (virtually) unlimited memory card for saved games AND they can be used to preload/cache maps/levels for games so as to seriously diminish the "loading" screen i have come to loathe about playstation and playstation2 games. (play the same game on an Xbox and trust me, half second loading instead of 5 seconds) Games like SSXTricky for example, i DEFINATELY noticed the 5-6 second map loading at the beginning of the level, on the xbox.. christ man, half a second to a second at most. Not to mention Halo (and i guess Halo2) but do you remember that brief little "Loading" flash across your screen barely long enough to read it before the next section of the level loaded? yeah. bastard. Harddrive <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    uuuhm also i plan to get a revolution because i've been dissilusioned with the Xbox360. Yeah, 360. pff, try 180. bastards. gone in the opposite direction they should imho... I WANT MY XBOX <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2001/20010801l.gif' target='_blank'>BIG</a> and meaty damnit!
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  • KenichiKenichi This is not a pie. Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy+Aug 1 2005, 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Aug 1 2005, 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Crono5+Jul 31 2005, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crono5 @ Jul 31 2005, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> expansions never work out right. I don't think anyone forgets the 32x or NDD, hmm? Unless all it takes is a simple firmware update I doubt this'll go over well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dont forget the ps2 HDD <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wouldn't say that counts considering it came packaged with a game. Its not like we went and bought the HDD expecting all these games to use it only to get one. We bought a game that came with a HDD upgrade. Different situation.
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  • RoverRover blargh Join Date: 2003-09-23 Member: 21139Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Aug 1 2005, 04:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Aug 1 2005, 04:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1) And since when have games ever used even 15 GB of space, anyway?
    2) Blu-Ray will probably be like 15 cents per disc. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    1) Coming close...how much is the average dvd nowadays ? 4.7 ? UT2K4 dvd version was 2 of 'em.
    2) I wouldn't know, seeing how as you're the expert and must know exactly how they are made and can estimate the cost NOW, before they are released, I'll guess I'll just believe you. <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>/sarcasm</span>
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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rover+Aug 1 2005, 08:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rover @ Aug 1 2005, 08:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2) I wouldn't know, seeing how as you're the expert and must know exactly how they are made and can estimate the cost NOW, before they are released, I'll guess I'll just believe you. <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>/sarcasm</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I can estimate the manufacturing cost. It's always been really damn cheap to manufacture CDs. The only reason CD-Rs cost so much if you buy them in a store is because of the machinery, packaging, labelling and marketing. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    The basic idea of the disc has not changed with Blu-Ray. Hell yeah, Blu-Ray discs are going to be expensive in the retail market. The manufacturing process will cost only pennies, however.
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  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi+Aug 1 2005, 09:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi @ Aug 1 2005, 09:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy+Aug 1 2005, 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Aug 1 2005, 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Crono5+Jul 31 2005, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crono5 @ Jul 31 2005, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> expansions never work out right. I don't think anyone forgets the 32x or NDD, hmm? Unless all it takes is a simple firmware update I doubt this'll go over well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dont forget the ps2 HDD <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wouldn't say that counts considering it came packaged with a game. Its not like we went and bought the HDD expecting all these games to use it only to get one. We bought a game that came with a HDD upgrade. Different situation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    PS2 HDD + Linux system = No more mod-chips, just plain old warez straight on to the HD itself.
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  • MantaManta Join Date: 2005-01-12 Member: 35056Members
    I still plan to buy an Xbox 360 for the games, but reading all this, I may hold off until they ship with HD-DVDs. Hopefully, the price will drop slightly by then, too.
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  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Manta+Aug 1 2005, 03:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Manta @ Aug 1 2005, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I still plan to buy an Xbox 360 for the games, but reading all this, I may hold off until they ship with HD-DVDs. Hopefully, the price will drop slightly by then, too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They'd probably see this as an excuse to bump up the price, as the average end user would assume it was more expensive.
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Dare for the 'bigger is better' crowd: Name a game that might conceivably need more than one DvD and does not have 'UT' in its name <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    edited August 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Aug 1 2005, 07:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Aug 1 2005, 07:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dare for the 'bigger is better' crowd: Name a game that might conceivably need more than one DvD and does not have 'UT' in its name <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'm not really part of that crowd, but Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance is 7.5 gigs. I'm pretty sure MGS3 is smaller, but I don't doubt for a second that MGS4 won't fit on a single dvd.
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  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    edited August 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Aug 1 2005, 03:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Aug 1 2005, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dare for the 'bigger is better' crowd: Name a game that might conceivably need more than one DvD and does not have 'UT' in its name <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There's probably some RPGs that take up a considerable amount of space.

    If they made a Baldurs Gate 3, i'd be disappointed if it didn't come on at least a dual layer DVD

    [EDIT:]GTA:San Andreas has a 3.91GB DVD, so it's coming close to needing 2
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    BG3 would likely rely on a 3D engine and not pre-rendered scenery, so my guess is that it'd stay below the one DvD limit. I'm stumped about Substance, though. How come? Was there that much pre-recorded footage?
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  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Aug 1 2005, 04:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Aug 1 2005, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> BG3 would likely rely on a 3D engine and not pre-rendered scenery, so my guess is that it'd stay below the one DvD limit. I'm stumped about Substance, though. How come? Was there that much pre-recorded footage? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There was a lot of cut-scenes.
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