Bush talks about ID
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Intelligent design is an oxymoron as far as I'm concerned.
It’s like an "awww **** it" approach to science.
While evolution has volumes of evidence to back it up intelligent design basically comes down to faith in some sort of deity.
Keep this kind of stuff in the realm of theology and I have no problem, but don't insult real science with this nonsense.
Intelligent design is an oxymoron as far as I'm concerned.
It’s like an "awww **** it" approach to science.
While evolution has volumes of evidence to back it up intelligent design basically comes down to faith in some sort of deity.
Keep this kind of stuff in the realm of theology and I have no problem, but don't insult real science with this nonsense. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What burns me up the most is when people write things supporting intelligent design, and they do it using a computer. They are sitting there basking in the societal benefits of science, then taking a big crap all over it.
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I suppose they think they can push it so hard because you can't directly blame Christians for it even though their the ones pushing for it.
Intelligent design is an oxymoron as far as I'm concerned.
It’s like an "awww **** it" approach to science.
While evolution has volumes of evidence to back it up intelligent design basically comes down to faith in some sort of deity.
Keep this kind of stuff in the realm of theology and I have no problem, but don't insult real science with this nonsense. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is what gripes me as well with the evolution debate. I mean yes granted evolution is still a theory but give a credible alternative at least. Something that has scientific backing!
And plus what do you learn about intelligent design. You can have a whole chapter about evolution, even a textbook on it. But intelligent design would be like what? A paragraph?
One other thing about the movement supporting intelligent design that I hate about is that they want to go AROUND the scientific community and put it straight to the school education system.
So sayeth <b>WHO</b> ?!?!? This article was obviously written solely for the purpose of Bush-bashing. I agree with Bush's position - it should be left up to the individual school districts, and "both sides ought to be properly taught".
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Isaac Asimov once remarked that science triumphed over religion as an explanation of how the world works sometime in the seventeenth century, when churches started putting lightning conductors on their roofs.
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I.D. is a belief that there is a "designer", and evolution is wrong. That's pretty much it. Every I.D. site I've ever seen is devoted to proving evolution wrong, but offers no scientific alternative.
So sayeth <b>WHO</b> ?!?!? This article was obviously written solely for the purpose of Bush-bashing. I agree with Bush's position - it should be left up to the individual school districts, and "both sides ought to be properly taught". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, they should, Evolution should be taught in Science class and ID should be taught in Theology.
Now...getting a theology class into public schools is all they have to do. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As was said, how much can you teach about ID?
"OK class you see this bug...it’s really really tiny...and complex and stuff....so...umm...God made it."
Unless I'm missing something this is pretty much the jist of ID.
So sayeth <b>WHO</b> ?!?!? This article was obviously written solely for the purpose of Bush-bashing. I agree with Bush's position - it should be left up to the individual school districts, and "both sides ought to be properly taught". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, they should, Evolution should be taught in Science class and ID should be taught in Theology.
Now...getting a theology class into public schools is all they have to do. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As was said, how much can you teach about ID?
"OK class you see this bug...it’s really really tiny...and complex and stuff....so...umm...God made it."
Unless I'm missing something this is pretty much the jist of ID. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why are you minimalizing ID? As I recall, philosophers as far back as Plato have reasoned that the complexity of nature shows grounds for believing in supernatural design.
Plato was a philosopher...not a biologist...
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Now...getting a theology class into public schools is all they have to do. biggrin-fix.gif
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AGREED! This would be a good solution.
Plato was a philosopher...not a biologist... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you are challenging his wisdom? I happen to agree with HIM on this subject also. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No I think those are Creationists, although depending on the teacher you get, who knows how each individual teacher will interpret ID, so maybe this stuff will become standard material...
I pity the next few generations.
My old Bible teacher (a very good man I might add, a Seventh-day Adventist) taught me that it's possible many of the monsters mentioned in the bible could be dinosaurs.
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I did, but I went to a Protestant (Church of England) school. And we didn't learn that evolution was bunk, 'cos it ain't.
Many devoutly religious people aren't willing to consider their diety as a big guy who makes genetic mutations to individual creatures from time to time just to see whether they live on and spread their genes through "survival of the fittest." It implies too directly that their god is not only capable of mistakes, but makes them on a very regular basis; the majority of such changes end up as screwups, and only a fraction of the new creatures become common, new, evolved species.
As a rule Metalcat there is a seperation between "church and state".
Unfortunately, some school districts have mandated the Pledge of Allegiance either not be said at day's beginning, or that it be modified to eliminate the words "under God" from it. Indeed it's a sad affair... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ahhhh... at least that's the great flood that noah survived explained at least ^^
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I think we ought to remove "under god." Restore the pledge to its original pre-cold-war form.
(but this is probably one for the discussion forum.)
Unfortunately, some school districts have mandated the Pledge of Allegiance either not be said at day's beginning, or that it be modified to eliminate the words "under God" from it. Indeed it's a sad affair... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's not what I mean. I was asking if you learn about the major religions, and what they're about? Y'know, what Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. all preach, a bit of their history, that sort of thing.