<!--quoteo(post=1574110:date=Nov 7 2006, 12:18 AM:name=BadMouth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BadMouth @ Nov 7 2006, 12:18 AM) [snapback]1574110[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Personally, i cant stand playing FPS on a console <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Fixed.
FPS games can work great on a console, but they have to be designed knowing they'll be played on a console. Case in point: Goldeneye and Metroid Prime. Both were very easy to play without a mouse and keyboard. But when that isn't the case then I'd agree with you, console FPSs suck.
Before Wii, I never could have imagine a Diablo game on console. Now I can <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Skulkbait, playing Metroid Prime with the GC controller is what made me quit shortly after getting the first suit. It ended up being too frustrating. Just imagine playing it with a keyboard and mouse... the greater freedom of control, quicker, more accurate movement and aiming.
FPS games on consoles suck.
Need proof? Play Halo on the Xbucks. Then play it on the PC. Offers a much more concise gameplay experience when you just have a keyboard and mouse... to the point where making the two versions cross-platform compatible would put the console gamers at a SEVERE disadvantage.
The Wii may change that. Freedom of movement/aim as with a mouse, and basic character movement capabilities with the nunchuck. We'll just have to see how well Red Steel turns out. I've got no preorder, but I'm going to just hope that some store still has them in stock on release day.
I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on Metroid Prime. Maybe its just that I suck at FPSs, so things like lock-on appeal to me. I've played Halo on the PC (extreemly boring, often tedious), but never on the Xbox, though I have played similar control schemes on different games and I agree, they do suck really bad.
Industry Rumor (take it for what you will) is that Nintendo will fill the pre-orders, and slightly stock the shelves opening weekend (see <a href="http://www.wiiloaded.com/wiinews-3082" target="_blank">Projected numbers</a>).
These will sell out relatively fast, but this is where Nintendo's marketing machine kicks in. The hype of a sellout of all pre-orders and stocks will push publicity of the Wii, and thereby increase demand. Then Nintendo will gleefully restock everyone within days and not miss a beat (or a sale).
I've got mine on pre-order, but as it is a gift (Christmas present for my son and I), I'm not too excited about it, because my wife won't let me open it until Christmas morning. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
The Wii is not an Xbox or PS3 killer, and I think the comparisons are a waste of time and a side effect of fanboi-ism. The Wii is a great gamers console, but it is also banking on increase its market appeal, and the gaming styles will be different, even in seemingly similar genres. I know the novelty will wear off after a time, and that's why, to me, it makes the game makers focus more on interesting storyline, or other features to make the game worth playing beyond the initial "Wow" the wiimote will offer. Will they deliver? I don't know. But the communal fun of the Wii when playing with family and friends is exciting enough for me. It's like DDR, and active gaming experience you'll be able to jump and share with others, but also like a traditional gaming system that offer long gameplay and storyline when you want it.
It's funny to me that there are so many people with staunch positions about something few (if any) of us have tried for ourselves. Maybe that's the result of good marketing, or maybe it's our own inability to accept change in gaming. Either way, my opinion is to judge the consoles by their ability to interest me, and the gameplay they offer. And in the end, I'll judge it on how much fun I have playing the system itself.
And to start the rumour mill: Reggie has said they have one more announcement that will come out on launch-day that is "bigger than the controller". I could dig out the quote if you want, but that's all we seem to know for now. Ideas... discuss! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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<!--quoteo(post=1574350:date=Nov 7 2006, 07:45 AM:name=Comprox)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Comprox @ Nov 7 2006, 07:45 AM) [snapback]1574350[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> And to start the rumour mill: Reggie has said they have one more announcement that will come out on launch-day that is "bigger than the controller". I could dig out the quote if you want, but that's all we seem to know for now. Ideas... discuss! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nexus integration!
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
My guess is that it'll be along the lines of that the sensor-bar previously seen on top of all the demo units' televisions isn't actually needed. Or maybe that you can make wii to wii calls through the remotes (they have microphones and speakers in them, after all). Or that the previously seen Wii-shell is just the packing box, and that the actual Wii is the size of a minidisc player.
Maybe even that the published Wii spec sheets are fakes, and that all the games have been being run in reduced mode while in the demo phase, and the full version kicks the snot out of the PS3. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
More likely that the DS/DS Lite can be used as a native Wii controller, or that you can download any old emulated games from the Wii to the DS for free. Or that the Wii acts as a remote host, allowing the DS to function as a web browser without needing to buy the Opera cartridge and RAM pack. Or that you can use X360 controllers with it, no problem.
<!--quoteo(post=1574254:date=Nov 7 2006, 10:40 AM:name=Talesin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Talesin @ Nov 7 2006, 10:40 AM) [snapback]1574254[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Skulkbait, playing Metroid Prime with the GC controller is what made me quit shortly after getting the first suit. It ended up being too frustrating. Just imagine playing it with a keyboard and mouse... the greater freedom of control, quicker, more accurate movement and aiming.
FPS games on consoles suck.
Need proof? Play Halo on the Xbucks. Then play it on the PC. Offers a much more concise gameplay experience when you just have a keyboard and mouse... to the point where making the two versions cross-platform compatible would put the console gamers at a SEVERE disadvantage. The Wii may change that. Freedom of movement/aim as with a mouse, and basic character movement capabilities with the nunchuck. We'll just have to see how well Red Steel turns out. I've got no preorder, but I'm going to just hope that some store still has them in stock on release day. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not that bad really. I can play COD2 on the 360 just fine, and I've never felt that giving me a mouse would increase my accuracy tenfold.
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Nanites!
Now for a real post... I have high hopes for the Wii, and I think that the controller will be more than just a fad. I think it was only a matter of time before such an input system to come along, and if the Wii catches on like I think it will, it might see integration into other platforms.
Wii gonna kick sonys ######, at least the price of the console. but ffs nintendo dun sell us a new controller every new game <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Odd. Seems every major game review site never had a problem with prime's controls.
What the mouse does is give more precision. But I find it comes with the cost of comfort. Moving my wrist all days and using the same finger will have a toll. But a controller has a more comfortable position.
And you also have to look at it as, even though using a mouse will make you aim better, it also helps the other guy that's aiming at you. So if you're playing Halo, at least you know the other guy is using a controller, so it's fair.
I've played the Wii and I don't have any problems with it. It's well-designed, affordable and has the new gyro feature. But what I do long for is online play and that comes in a while.
The Wii will force Sony and Xbox to rethink their controller scheme just like they did with the n64. Before the n64, joysticks on consoles weren't mainstream if at all accepted, then with the release of the n64 and it's controller it quickly changed. Nintendo showed how much superior joystick control is over pads and that it could be implemented on a console. Quickly Sony adapted and released their own controllers with joysticks.
We can already see Sony moving towards what Nintendo has done by implemented their half backed motion sensor technology. By the way to do this they had to remove the force feedback from controllers.
I do have high hopes for the Nintendo myself but that doesn't mean it's going to be an awesome console. I personally am very keen to another one of their creative and original approaches to gaming though.
My biggest problem with Sony's Playstation is that is exactly the same it has been since PS1. They keep recycling the exact same design and re beefing it's specs, then calling it next generation. Also I think the price on their PS3 is a little much for me.
<!--quoteo(post=1574389:date=Nov 7 2006, 06:55 PM:name=Talesin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Talesin @ Nov 7 2006, 06:55 PM) [snapback]1574389[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> My guess is that it'll be along the lines of that the sensor-bar previously seen on top of all the demo units' televisions isn't actually needed. Or maybe that you can make wii to wii calls through the remotes (they have microphones and speakers in them, after all). <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the sensor bar was just for games that used the 'mote as a pointer - as in, a marker where you aim at the screen, rather than following your movements around like Zelda does. What's this about a mic? I've only seen a speaker.
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Anyone have a good source to get a preorder? I'm not goiing to get EB/Gamestops because it's just too expensive and I know Walmart and Toys R Us and Fry's all ready passed. I'm waiting for amazon but I doubt I'll get in on that.
4 MILLION units worldwide, I seriously doubt you'll go without. However, as I said in my earlier post, they might make you think there's a shortage at first for marketing purposes.
Either way, ToysRUs is supposed to have the highest stock per store, go there first.
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MouseThe Lighter Side of PessimismJoin Date: 2002-03-02Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1574350:date=Nov 8 2006, 01:45 AM:name=Comprox)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Comprox @ Nov 8 2006, 01:45 AM) [snapback]1574350[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> And to start the rumour mill: Reggie has said they have one more announcement that will come out on launch-day that is "bigger than the controller". I could dig out the quote if you want, but that's all we seem to know for now. Ideas... discuss! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Physics Processing Unit
Why are people talking about swords and lightsabers. No one has thought of chainsaws! Wii would probably be the perfect platform for a zombie massacre game <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
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Or pilot a huge mech with huge hands and humongous strength, and wave one arm around with the controller smashing huge skyscrapers collapsing over huge amounts of people. Then grabbing the eiffel tower with the push of a button, eradicate it, smash it around and then launch it on the moon. THIS is pwnage
If you eradicate the Eiffel tower, you can't then throw it to the moon. Duh.
That said, if the Wii gets a (good) lightsaber game, I'm going to buy a copy for my friend for his birthday (regardless of when his birthday is) and then invite myself over to his house. Repeatedly.
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That said, if the Wii gets a (good) lightsaber game, I'm going to buy a copy for my friend for his birthday (regardless of when his birthday is) and then invite myself over to his house. Repeatedly. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Or simple buy it for yourself and tell him his birthday present is that he's allowed to come play it at your place.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Or bring your own remote and sit outside the window, associate it with his Wii and play from there, being careful to duck down any time he turns to look back.
Personally not in it for the novelty (well that too I suppose), but mainly for the inhouse games it will have, Zelda, Super Smash Brothers, Metroid Prime, Super Mario, etc. if it gets good third party games, then it just gets all the better :S
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Personally, i cant stand playing FPS on a console
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Fixed.
Consoles aren't made for FPS games imo.
FPS games on consoles suck.
Need proof? Play Halo on the Xbucks. Then play it on the PC. Offers a much more concise gameplay experience when you just have a keyboard and mouse... to the point where making the two versions cross-platform compatible would put the console gamers at a SEVERE disadvantage.
The Wii may change that. Freedom of movement/aim as with a mouse, and basic character movement capabilities with the nunchuck. We'll just have to see how well Red Steel turns out.
I've got no preorder, but I'm going to just hope that some store still has them in stock on release day.
These will sell out relatively fast, but this is where Nintendo's marketing machine kicks in. The hype of a sellout of all pre-orders and stocks will push publicity of the Wii, and thereby increase demand. Then Nintendo will gleefully restock everyone within days and not miss a beat (or a sale).
I've got mine on pre-order, but as it is a gift (Christmas present for my son and I), I'm not too excited about it, because my wife won't let me open it until Christmas morning. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
The Wii is not an Xbox or PS3 killer, and I think the comparisons are a waste of time and a side effect of fanboi-ism. The Wii is a great gamers console, but it is also banking on increase its market appeal, and the gaming styles will be different, even in seemingly similar genres. I know the novelty will wear off after a time, and that's why, to me, it makes the game makers focus more on interesting storyline, or other features to make the game worth playing beyond the initial "Wow" the wiimote will offer. Will they deliver? I don't know. But the communal fun of the Wii when playing with family and friends is exciting enough for me. It's like DDR, and active gaming experience you'll be able to jump and share with others, but also like a traditional gaming system that offer long gameplay and storyline when you want it.
It's funny to me that there are so many people with staunch positions about something few (if any) of us have tried for ourselves. Maybe that's the result of good marketing, or maybe it's our own inability to accept change in gaming. Either way, my opinion is to judge the consoles by their ability to interest me, and the gameplay they offer. And in the end, I'll judge it on how much fun I have playing the system itself.
And to start the rumour mill: Reggie has said they have one more announcement that will come out on launch-day that is "bigger than the controller". I could dig out the quote if you want, but that's all we seem to know for now. Ideas... discuss! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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Nexus integration!
Nexus integration!
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You made me integrate my milk into my keyboard...
Maybe even that the published Wii spec sheets are fakes, and that all the games have been being run in reduced mode while in the demo phase, and the full version kicks the snot out of the PS3. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
More likely that the DS/DS Lite can be used as a native Wii controller, or that you can download any old emulated games from the Wii to the DS for free. Or that the Wii acts as a remote host, allowing the DS to function as a web browser without needing to buy the Opera cartridge and RAM pack. Or that you can use X360 controllers with it, no problem.
Skulkbait, playing Metroid Prime with the GC controller is what made me quit shortly after getting the first suit. It ended up being too frustrating. Just imagine playing it with a keyboard and mouse... the greater freedom of control, quicker, more accurate movement and aiming.
FPS games on consoles suck.
Need proof? Play Halo on the Xbucks. Then play it on the PC. Offers a much more concise gameplay experience when you just have a keyboard and mouse... to the point where making the two versions cross-platform compatible would put the console gamers at a SEVERE disadvantage.
The Wii may change that. Freedom of movement/aim as with a mouse, and basic character movement capabilities with the nunchuck. We'll just have to see how well Red Steel turns out.
I've got no preorder, but I'm going to just hope that some store still has them in stock on release day.
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It's not that bad really. I can play COD2 on the 360 just fine, and I've never felt that giving me a mouse would increase my accuracy tenfold.
And to start the rumour mill: Reggie has said they have one more announcement that will come out on launch-day that is "bigger than the controller". I could dig out the quote if you want, but that's all we seem to know for now. Ideas... discuss! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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Nanites!
Now for a real post... I have high hopes for the Wii, and I think that the controller will be more than just a fad. I think it was only a matter of time before such an input system to come along, and if the Wii catches on like I think it will, it might see integration into other platforms.
What the mouse does is give more precision. But I find it comes with the cost of comfort. Moving my wrist all days and using the same finger will have a toll. But a controller has a more comfortable position.
And you also have to look at it as, even though using a mouse will make you aim better, it also helps the other guy that's aiming at you. So if you're playing Halo, at least you know the other guy is using a controller, so it's fair.
I've played the Wii and I don't have any problems with it. It's well-designed, affordable and has the new gyro feature. But what I do long for is online play and that comes in a while.
We can already see Sony moving towards what Nintendo has done by implemented their half backed motion sensor technology. By the way to do this they had to remove the force feedback from controllers.
I do have high hopes for the Nintendo myself but that doesn't mean it's going to be an awesome console. I personally am very keen to another one of their creative and original approaches to gaming though.
My biggest problem with Sony's Playstation is that is exactly the same it has been since PS1. They keep recycling the exact same design and re beefing it's specs, then calling it next generation. Also I think the price on their PS3 is a little much for me.
My guess is that it'll be along the lines of that the sensor-bar previously seen on top of all the demo units' televisions isn't actually needed. Or maybe that you can make wii to wii calls through the remotes (they have microphones and speakers in them, after all). <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the sensor bar was just for games that used the 'mote as a pointer - as in, a marker where you aim at the screen, rather than following your movements around like Zelda does.
What's this about a mic? I've only seen a speaker.
No more secrets.
Either way, ToysRUs is supposed to have the highest stock per store, go there first.
And to start the rumour mill: Reggie has said they have one more announcement that will come out on launch-day that is "bigger than the controller". I could dig out the quote if you want, but that's all we seem to know for now. Ideas... discuss! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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You can only view Wii games on a Virtual Boy!
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Why are people talking about swords and lightsabers. No one has thought of chainsaws! Wii would probably be the perfect platform for a zombie massacre game <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
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And baseball bats. And lead pipes. And various blunt objects to whack people/things with. Hell, even pointy objects to stab people/things with.
That said, if the Wii gets a (good) lightsaber game, I'm going to buy a copy for my friend for his birthday (regardless of when his birthday is) and then invite myself over to his house. Repeatedly.
If you eradicate the Eiffel tower, you can't then throw it to the moon. Duh.
That said, if the Wii gets a (good) lightsaber game, I'm going to buy a copy for my friend for his birthday (regardless of when his birthday is) and then invite myself over to his house. Repeatedly.
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Or simple buy it for yourself and tell him his birthday present is that he's allowed to come play it at your place.