Spawn killing in NS is a game flaw, how do you expect the aliens to kill the CC when the marines are spwaning all around them? Ignore that HA/HMG that just spwaned and continue to munch on the CC? The problem does not happen with marines attack too much, most marine wins are from JPs.
Have you ever tried being a non-focus alien? Between the push on the bite, a bunny hopping marine, and resupply it can be near impossible to kill a light marine. I hate focus, but if you want to be effective at killing marines, you have to have it.
<!--QuoteBegin-LeetLlama+Apr 20 2004, 01:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LeetLlama @ Apr 20 2004, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Spawn killing in NS is a game flaw, how do you expect the aliens to kill the CC when the marines are spwaning all around them? Ignore that HA/HMG that just spwaned and continue to munch on the CC? The problem does not happen with marines attack too much, most marine wins are from JPs.
Have you ever tried being a non-focus alien? Between the push on the bite, a bunny hopping marine, and resupply it can be near impossible to kill a light marine. I hate focus, but if you want to be effective at killing marines, you have to have it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If your entire team is overwhelmed the game should end. That isn't a game flaw when your whole team is dead, its a flaw in their ability to kill.
Uh, CWAG, with a skilled skulk(like yours truly <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->) that has leap and focus, any marines without a1 will die within half a second of spawning... EDIT: once all marines have been put into the spawn queue anyways. EDIT2: ...DarkEnlighter, onos and gorge are the exceptions. They do worse with focus.
I just want to know why you people don't ban skulks altogether then? In a level 0 vs 0 battle, a marine dies in two bites... focus vs armor 1... two bites... Theres no difference in armor levels.... Level 0 armor has one "charge" but you don't see people whining about dying now do you?
<!--QuoteBegin-LeetLlama+Apr 20 2004, 01:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LeetLlama @ Apr 20 2004, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Have you ever tried being a non-focus alien? Between the push on the bite, a bunny hopping marine, and resupply it can be near impossible to kill a light marine. I hate focus, but if you want to be effective at killing marines, you have to have it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I kill more people without focus than with it on a regular basis, and so do many other people I've seen. It seems to me you just aren't any good with the skulk. (That's not an attack, just an observation. Hell, I'm hardly any good with it myself.)
<!--QuoteBegin-Align+Apr 20 2004, 03:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Apr 20 2004, 03:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So what upgrade do you get instead? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In most situations, I don't get much use at all out of any of the sensory upgrades, and I sometimes won't even buy one. They just don't fit the way I play the species except in specific circumstances. When I do, it's usually SoF, in case I want to do some hunting on the way to my real objective.
99.9% of the time gameplay-modifying plugins ruin the game because either people aren't used to them or they are just plain lame. So I try to stay far away from those servers ;p
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I disagree. Phase select is another example of people trying to break the game so it's easier for one side to play. It's the same way that Lerk-lift completely does away with getting skulks to boost gorges, or for people to get into places like Red Room as a skulk, then go gorge once they are there already. NS and teamwork should go hand in hand. If it's really this hard to get two people to work together to accomplish something, there's something wrong with the community.
Let me explain this to people who don't understand that multiple phasegates are their own drawback:
When you're trying to defend multiple portions of the map at once with three or four phasegates, the unfortunate side effect is that sometimes your marines have trouble getting to the right gate. As a commander, what you should do is recycle unnecesary gates, so that your marines can spawn and jump right into the gate to where the action is, especially if you want all the marines to go the same place at the same time. You should also place your PGs in places where marines can go through them, and get the rest of the way on foot, there-by reducing the number of phases needed. Put a phasegate midway between a pair of hives, and make your damn marines run. They could probably use a little workout, the lazy bums. And if recycling phasegates would be a bad idea, then your team is going to have to accept this as the cost of doing business.
Again, Phase select is one more example of how people think they can balance the game better than the game designers.
This topic makes me want to scream louder and louder and louder until I'm spitting blood up from my torn and lacerated vocal cords. It's no longer healthy for me to even be looking at this, I want to inflict pain on myself because I can't hurt the people who made this topic necesary. I'm at the point where I'm groaning every other post, looking up between bashing my forehead on the desk. The level of complete and utter ignorance of the game and how it works is astounding.
Finally of course, </span><span style='font-family:courier'><span style='color:yellow'>IGNORING THE PROBLEM DOES NOT MAKE IT GO AWAY.</span></span> <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>These people are simply not informed, and server-side "solutions" to these so-called "balance issues" are a telling sign that there is a growing population of NS gamers who have no idea how to play the game. It's sad, it's tragic. Just to say, "Oh, find another server" isn't good enough for people who have an activist mindset like me. I don't want to just sit here and watch people think that this is somehow permissable just because it CAN be done. It shouldn't. People should put more effort into learning to be better players, or at the very least understand that the reason they are losing isn't because of the game, it's their own chronic inability to play on the same level as people who can fully utilize INSERT UPGRADE HERE. It's just the way it goes. Videogames simply may not be for you. Try sports or something. Breaking the game just perpetuates your poor playing ability.
This isn't about giving people handicaps so everyone is forced to play the same exact style. It'd be the same as cracking all figure skaters in the knees so that they all skate like Nancy Kerrigan, or lobotomizing everyone so that they can all play in the Special Olympics. People are BETTER AT THIS GAME THAN YOU, and the game itself is not to blame. People need to get over themselves, swallow their massive egos, play the game, and recieve the brutal beatings they richly deserve. You don't get better with plug-ins, you get lazy, fat, and stupid. Metaphorically of course. Except for the first and last part*.
I'm angry because I take my free time seriously. Every minute I spend accidentally in a noober server is a minute wasted on impure gaming. Makes me feel like I need a shower, and I'm completely serious about all of this.
Its not about winning and losing, its about fun. And FYI winning or being a stronger player does not guarantee fun for most people. If people aren't enjoying the game as it is they should mod it how they want, that is better than quitting.
As for outlawing focus, that is a pretty horrible idea if you ask me, a jp+resupply is practically invincible against non-focus aliens.
If focus spawn camping is the issue just discourage spawn killing. If one team is dead and getting spawn owned just ask the aliens to back off a little. Sure there is the argument "if they are all dead they deserve to lose". That is true but who cares? This isn't a clan match, when the game is done it will be forgotten and everyone needs to move on and keep having fun. If you keep beating up on someone, they will stop playing fairly quickly if you don't have some consideration and let them join in the fun.
<!--QuoteBegin-LeetLlama+Apr 20 2004, 01:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LeetLlama @ Apr 20 2004, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Have you ever tried being a non-focus alien? Between the push on the bite, a bunny hopping marine, and resupply it can be near impossible to kill a light marine. I hate focus, but if you want to be effective at killing marines, you have to have it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Obviously i have and i tell you it is just as easy to play without focus..
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Wow, a scoreboard screenshot. Well I'm sure convinced.
Honestly, what point are you trying to make again? I thought you were the one moaning about the evils of focus on page 3. Could you pick a side and go with it, this is confusing the hell out of me.</span>
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I'm trying to keep you from looking like a waffle. If you want to flip from one side to the other like a mudskipper though, far be it for me to stop you. 9_9</span>
since when have i changed my views? im still saying that the server rule is a good one... that has never changed and i have not posted anything that will say that my opinion has changed
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Have you ever tried being a non-focus alien? Between the push on the bite, a bunny hopping marine, and resupply it can be near impossible to kill a light marine. I hate focus, but if you want to be effective at killing marines, you have to have it.
Have you ever tried being a non-focus alien? Between the push on the bite, a bunny hopping marine, and resupply it can be near impossible to kill a light marine. I hate focus, but if you want to be effective at killing marines, you have to have it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If your entire team is overwhelmed the game should end. That isn't a game flaw when your whole team is dead, its a flaw in their ability to kill.
<img src='http://www.gameroom.com/onneshome/co_faceoff0021.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<a href='http://www.gameroom.com/onneshome/co_faceoff0021.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.gameroom.com/onneshome/co_faceoff0021.jpg</a>
Shows you CAN be good without focus (note I didnt spawn camp, just killed CC)
Oh and lets all laugh at the guy saying: "onos is noob"
Note, link might require copy+paste into a new window
[edit]: went fade + onos at lvl10, skulked my way up there, only got a few kills + CC at the end [/edit]
EDIT: once all marines have been put into the spawn queue anyways.
EDIT2: ...DarkEnlighter, onos and gorge are the exceptions. They do worse with focus.
I kill more people without focus than with it on a regular basis, and so do many other people I've seen. It seems to me you just aren't any good with the skulk. (That's not an attack, just an observation. Hell, I'm hardly any good with it myself.)
In most situations, I don't get much use at all out of any of the sensory upgrades, and I sometimes won't even buy one. They just don't fit the way I play the species except in specific circumstances. When I do, it's usually SoF, in case I want to do some hunting on the way to my real objective.
Bring back Spawn Invul!!!
Let me explain this to people who don't understand that multiple phasegates are their own drawback:
When you're trying to defend multiple portions of the map at once with three or four phasegates, the unfortunate side effect is that sometimes your marines have trouble getting to the right gate. As a commander, what you should do is recycle unnecesary gates, so that your marines can spawn and jump right into the gate to where the action is, especially if you want all the marines to go the same place at the same time. You should also place your PGs in places where marines can go through them, and get the rest of the way on foot, there-by reducing the number of phases needed. Put a phasegate midway between a pair of hives, and make your damn marines run. They could probably use a little workout, the lazy bums. And if recycling phasegates would be a bad idea, then your team is going to have to accept this as the cost of doing business.
Again, Phase select is one more example of how people think they can balance the game better than the game designers.
This topic makes me want to scream louder and louder and louder until I'm spitting blood up from my torn and lacerated vocal cords. It's no longer healthy for me to even be looking at this, I want to inflict pain on myself because I can't hurt the people who made this topic necesary. I'm at the point where I'm groaning every other post, looking up between bashing my forehead on the desk. The level of complete and utter ignorance of the game and how it works is astounding.
Finally of course, </span><span style='font-family:courier'><span style='color:yellow'>IGNORING THE PROBLEM DOES NOT MAKE IT GO AWAY.</span></span> <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>These people are simply not informed, and server-side "solutions" to these so-called "balance issues" are a telling sign that there is a growing population of NS gamers who have no idea how to play the game. It's sad, it's tragic. Just to say, "Oh, find another server" isn't good enough for people who have an activist mindset like me. I don't want to just sit here and watch people think that this is somehow permissable just because it CAN be done. It shouldn't. People should put more effort into learning to be better players, or at the very least understand that the reason they are losing isn't because of the game, it's their own chronic inability to play on the same level as people who can fully utilize INSERT UPGRADE HERE. It's just the way it goes. Videogames simply may not be for you. Try sports or something. Breaking the game just perpetuates your poor playing ability.
This isn't about giving people handicaps so everyone is forced to play the same exact style. It'd be the same as cracking all figure skaters in the knees so that they all skate like Nancy Kerrigan, or lobotomizing everyone so that they can all play in the Special Olympics. People are BETTER AT THIS GAME THAN YOU, and the game itself is not to blame. People need to get over themselves, swallow their massive egos, play the game, and recieve the brutal beatings they richly deserve. You don't get better with plug-ins, you get lazy, fat, and stupid. Metaphorically of course. Except for the first and last part*.
I'm angry because I take my free time seriously. Every minute I spend accidentally in a noober server is a minute wasted on impure gaming. Makes me feel like I need a shower, and I'm completely serious about all of this.
*Dare you to quote this in your sig.</span>
As for outlawing focus, that is a pretty horrible idea if you ask me, a jp+resupply is practically invincible against non-focus aliens.
If focus spawn camping is the issue just discourage spawn killing. If one team is dead and getting spawn owned just ask the aliens to back off a little. Sure there is the argument "if they are all dead they deserve to lose". That is true but who cares? This isn't a clan match, when the game is done it will be forgotten and everyone needs to move on and keep having fun. If you keep beating up on someone, they will stop playing fairly quickly if you don't have some consideration and let them join in the fun.
Obviously i have and i tell you it is just as easy to play without focus..
even provided a screenshot:
<img src='http://buyitem.net/~tweek/files/rG%20Clan%20Pics/co_faceoff0004.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
EDit : Note the Game Time
Honestly, what point are you trying to make again? I thought you were the one moaning about the evils of focus on page 3. Could you pick a side and go with it, this is confusing the hell out of me.</span>