Us Draft

WitherWither A Bugged Life Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11513Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">It's closer than everyone thinks.</div> <a href='http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg' target='_blank'>Click.</a>

It's pretty scary. I realize everyone's saying "it'll never pass", but check the facts. They've put so much money, effort and planning into this already that, at least to me, it seems like it's gonna come through regardless of whatever happens.

I'm half American, don't have a passport yet but I'm in the process of it. I sure am glad I don't live in the States yet.
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  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    This is news? There have been a series of quiet bills being pushed through congress since late 2001 (the first of which put forward by my state, NH's, own Bob Smith. Luckily he's gone now) to bring back the draft. Fortunately none of them have been passed until now. Frankly I think the chance of it happening is pretty slim, but I've been considering a move to Canada for a while now just in case.
  • WitherWither A Bugged Life Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11513Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+May 22 2004, 02:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ May 22 2004, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is news? There have been a series of quiet bills being pushed through congress since late 2001 (the first of which put forward by my state, NH's, own Bob Smith. Luckily he's gone now) to bring back the draft. Fortunately none of them have been passed until now. Frankly I think the chance of it happening is pretty slim, but I've been considering a move to Canada for a while now just in case. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Read the link.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Why would the US *ever* go through all this hassle if it was near certain that this won't go through anyway? So much trouble for nothing? I don't believe so.

    We'll see in due time, but I find it interesting that it's being kept quiet.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    One more reason to convince any young adult you know to get to the polls and vote for Kerry: Their very life may depend on it.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    edited May 2004
    Drafting is someone being fored to join the military by the Goverment in a time of war.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    oooooo that *huggles england* <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-moultano+May 22 2004, 08:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ May 22 2004, 08:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One more reason to convince any young adult you know to get to the polls and vote for Kerry: Their very life may depend on it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Like that would help.
  • ObliteraterObliterater Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9652Members
    edited May 2004
    The draft wouldn't suprise me. Both Bush and Kerry will want to be able to finish the Iraq war right, and that will likely mean more troops. I'm 16, so I will escape any draft unless Bush/Kerry decide that some more regimes need changing <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    Good thing I'm learning german, if I can't go to canada I'll just head over there.
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    Maybe this will make more people think twice before invading a sovereign nation in future.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+May 22 2004, 09:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ May 22 2004, 09:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe this will make more people think twice before invading a sovereign nation in future. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    "The people" did think twice. Our fearless leader didn't.
  • XiileXiile Join Date: 2003-02-22 Member: 13818Members
    The draft, huh? Wow, I just looooove the 'freedom' of our country!
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    wewt gotta love medical problems <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    i'm one of the us citizens that they can't draft >D
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    Wearing glass, half-deaf, and relatives in New Zealand. wewt!

    Doubt it'll pass anyway, especially if Kerry is elected since he's known to be against such position. And if he did, he'd be crucified.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zig+May 22 2004, 07:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ May 22 2004, 07:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i'm one of the us citizens that they can't draft >D <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    and if you're wondering, it's coz i'm enlisting first XD

    OOOOOLLOOOL joekz
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    I love moultonos hypocracy...

    "the people did?"

    I still support the war in Iraq. Am I not part of the people?

    Just because that's what you think, does not reflect the thoughts of "the people". Same goes for Bush too.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    This sucks i dont want to be another knight in the crusades <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm 16, so I will escape any draft unless Bush/Kerry decide that some more regimes need changing <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You're quite the optimist if you think the Iraq war will be over in 2 years time.

    I'm glad that I live in Australia. Any Yanks who don't want to be drafted, you'd be more than welcome here.
  • Paranoia2MBParanoia2MB Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7832Members
    Hmm, I actually don't think I can pass the military test. Well I can, but occasionlly I have heart problems so I may get lucky and be let go.

    But I honestly don't think we need another draft. We have enough people in the service and it isn't like we are invading Germany or Japan again.

    I'm not sure what the chances are, but the people in the US Congress are some sneaky mofos I can tell you that.

    I suppose only time will tell with this draft bs.

    How does the draft work anyways? Is it everybody who is 18 to what 25 and depending on if they are doing school or not they are instantly taken away? Forgot how it was, I believe my stepdad was almost drafted by the Marines, but he was already enlisted in the Army. lol

    He enlisted for the army, but it wasn't his time to go in yet so that's why the marines tried to get him.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+May 22 2004, 10:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ May 22 2004, 10:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I love moultonos hypocracy...

    "the people did?"

    I still support the war in Iraq. Am I not part of the people?

    Just because that's what you think, does not reflect the thoughts of "the people". Same goes for Bush too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh come on. I very obviously wasn't intending that to apply to every US citizen and you know it. (Besides, I bet you still thought twice <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    Tell your parents, tell the voters.

    www.tomopdam.com if you want a click link to the link... [hey, my site isnt finished yet <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> may as well use the domain]

    Go out and vote, vote for who you hate least, and run for government.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    How trusthworthy is congress.org of a news site?

    Shouldn't it be congress.gov?
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How trusthworthy is congress.org of a news site?

    Shouldn't it be congress.gov?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well if we can find the bills in question we can settle that question. If the article did quote them correctly, then I don't see why Congress.org would be disreputable.
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    1. I support the effort in Iraq.
    2. We're not losing troops at any kind of rate that would require a draft there.


    I'm thinking this is prepatory work for something like if North Korea goes nuts and we lose half our armed forces in a single day.
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
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  • docchimpydocchimpy Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18266Members
    w00t Concientious Objection!
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    edited May 2004
    Strangely, the article provided a link to the bill in question [URL=www.hslda.org/Legislation/National/ 2003/S89/default.asp]here[/URL] , but this times out with no response. Now either this bill is a fabrication, the government took the site down, the site took so many hits that it shut down or my connection is dodgy. In any case, can anyone else hit it?

    EDIT: Ok, here we go

    <a href='http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89:' target='_blank'>Congress.gov</a>

    Can't get much more official than that
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    If they do bring back the draft, I'm going to go for the easiest route not to get drafted.
    I'm going to volunteer.
    I'm not saying this as a joke about how they both have the same end result; on the contrary, everyone/thing I've heard/read seems to hint differently. People who voluntarily join the armed forces seem to be looked at more closely instead of being lumped with the "bunch of guys who didn't manage to dodge the draft." Example: I know a guy who was in the US marines for several years and insured that he'd <i>never</i> see front-line combat. How? This was decades ago when typewriters had no backspace key, in a job setting where speed and accuracy mattered along with security. He could type like an absolute storm and get it <i>right</i>, the <i>first</i> time, <i>every</i> time. He didn't need to be a genius. He needed to have a valuable, rare skill, and become noticed for it.
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ryo-Ohki+May 22 2004, 07:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ May 22 2004, 07:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm 16, so I will escape any draft unless Bush/Kerry decide that some more regimes need changing <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You're quite the optimist if you think the Iraq war will be over in 2 years time.

    I'm glad that I live in Australia. Any Yanks who don't want to be drafted, you'd be more than welcome here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My fellow americans, we're going to Ryo-Ohki's house, where we will experience war in Iraw as it was meant to be experienced, with Battlefield 1942: Desert Combat.
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