<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Aug 15 2004, 09:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 15 2004, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> V-Man, don't start with the America bashing! Guns are not bad.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes we all know very well that guns are not what kill people it's people that kill people, that doesn't change the fact that guns are designed for killing an when you make a law or whatever that says people have the right to own one it's gonna make it very easy for criminals obtain them.
Sensible people who own guns are okay but what happens when a senisble person that owns a gun stops being a sensible person?
I'm not being high an mighty on all this or looking for an argument on this, my original post was out of line an I'll edit it accordingly but the attitude of "I own a gun come into my house at your own risk" is just a little silly cos if you can havea gun to defend your house so can a criminal who want's to rob it....
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes we all know very well that guns are not what kill people it's people that kill people, that doesn't change the fact that guns are designed for killing an when you make a law or whatever that says people have the right to own one it's gonna make it very easy for criminals obtain them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, no... criminals obtain weapons regardless of the law. Laws only hamper those who follow those laws.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sensible people who own guns are okay but what happens when a senisble person that owns a gun stops being a sensible person?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The sensible ones stop him!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not being high an mighty on all this or looking for an argument on this, my original post was out of line an I'll edit it accordingly but the attitude of "I own a gun come into my house at your own risk" is just a little silly cos if you can havea gun to defend your house so can a criminal who want's to rob it....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> EXACTLY! The criminal has one, regardless of whether the homeowner does or not. Criminals don't <b>stop</b> carrying weapons when a homeowner stops carrying them!
The only people who are being prevented from getting a gun are those who choose to follow the laws.
<!--QuoteBegin-V-MAN+Aug 15 2004, 04:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Aug 15 2004, 04:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not being high an mighty on all this or looking for an argument on this, my original post was out of line an I'll edit it accordingly but the attitude of "I own a gun come into my house at your own risk" is just a little silly cos if you can havea gun to defend your house so can a criminal who want's to rob it.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you are implying the criminal is going to steal his gun and use it against him; it's not like the criminal knows where he keeps his gun. He could keep it under his pillow.
BizZy_9mm_MessiahOld School MemberJoin Date: 2003-07-25Member: 18411Members, Constellation
Someone stole my soj on Diablo2. Loffles!.
I've never been robbed IRL. I remember at the gas station some black guy left his keys in his car to go pay for the gas and out of nowhere this scraggly white guy jumps in and drives off. Then the black guy comes running out talking about "Hey come back!" Yeah right, that **** got stripped of its parts in Miami somewhere.
I've never been robbed IRL. I remember at the gas station some black guy left his keys in his car to go pay for the gas and out of nowhere this scraggly white guy jumps in and drives off. Then the black guy comes running out talking about "Hey come back!" Yeah right, that **** got stripped of its parts in Miami somewhere. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh, I used to do that all the time. Tell some guy your gonna run a scam with him, drop some crappy mid level equipment, run a trading scam with him for a while, and as soon as he drops something worth taking for the scam, grab it and disconnect.
I've never been robbed IRL. I remember at the gas station some black guy left his keys in his car to go pay for the gas and out of nowhere this scraggly white guy jumps in and drives off. Then the black guy comes running out talking about "Hey come back!" Yeah right, that **** got stripped of its parts in Miami somewhere. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh, I used to do that all the time. Tell some guy your gonna run a scam with him, drop some crappy mid level equipment, run a trading scam with him for a while, and as soon as he drops something worth taking for the scam, grab it and disconnect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I guy I used to know took stealing people's stuff to the extreme. He would buddy up with them, then get their phone numbers, and talk to them while playing d2. Then he would be like "You want me to level your character while your gone?" Yeah, he got a lot of good **** doing that. Pretty sad if you ask me that you go out of your way to get items for a video game..
A guy tried to car-jack me once while I was stopped on the side of the road near my base. I opened the door very swiftly and knocked him over, then got out of my HMMWV, knocked him out with a swift kick to the head (while he was still on the ground), threw his gun into the woods, tossed him into the ditch near the road and left. For all I know he's still there <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you did that to someone, beat them up, but took them to the police afterwards... Could you be charged with assault? I.e The use of excessive violence to defend yourself?
I want to know if I should take em to the cops, of rob them and leave them when I next get mugged. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I've only been robbed a few times, mostly little things from my house, and usually things that nobody but my friends could have known about, so just have to not let people in anymore. Other than that my brother was robbed when he lived in tennessee some guys kicked his door in and stole his bass guitar, electric acoustic guitar, amplifier all his pipes and his bag, and his jar full of change(pff trashy people **** me off). Aside from that they showed how dumb they were, stealing a dreamcast and its games RIGHT next to a PS2, leaving that. Lol, trashy people are dumb.
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Aug 16 2004, 03:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 16 2004, 03:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-V-MAN+Aug 15 2004, 04:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Aug 15 2004, 04:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not being high an mighty on all this or looking for an argument on this, my original post was out of line an I'll edit it accordingly but the attitude of "I own a gun come into my house at your own risk" is just a little silly cos if you can havea gun to defend your house so can a criminal who want's to rob it.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you are implying the criminal is going to steal his gun and use it against him; it's not like the criminal knows where he keeps his gun. He could keep it under his pillow. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No I'm implying that the person going to rob the house could already have a gun....
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Aug 16 2004, 01:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 16 2004, 01:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, no... criminals obtain weapons regardless of the law. Laws only hamper those who follow those laws.
The sensible ones stop him!
EXACTLY! The criminal has one, regardless of whether the homeowner does or not. Criminals don't <b>stop</b> carrying weapons when a homeowner stops carrying them!
The only people who are being prevented from getting a gun are those who choose to follow the laws. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is what's called a slippery slope argument, it will go nowhere. The "I must have a gun to defend myself against people who have guns" basing your argument on a slippery slope argument is just flawed.
Although criminals will obtain weapons regardless of the law it's going to be a lot harder for them to get hold of firearms if there arn't gun shops selling them and people with private collections.
Here in the UK I have yet to be a victim of crime at the hands of a firearm or know someone that has an I lived in N.Ireland for 4 years during the height of the troubles.
I have however been stabbed twice (separate occasions) but I don't go round carrying a knife with me because of it; by your flawed logic cos criminals can get knives quite easliy here in the UK I should tool myself up with some to counter it.
Never been robbed or anything... but the laws are crap here in sweden.
If i send a *robber to the hospital then I will go in jail (if i were 18) for beating him up and walking away alright.
Same if some 1 tryes to break in a house. If they slip on the ice infront of my frontdoor (or something similiar) and breaks his neck, i get accused for murder.
It's true and it sucks.
Edit: Not just any guy in a fight i meant a criminal that tryes to rob/assault/kill me.
<!--QuoteBegin-Svenpa+Aug 16 2004, 10:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Svenpa @ Aug 16 2004, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Never been robbed or anything... but the laws are crap here in sweden.
If i send a guy to the hospital then I will go in jail (if i were 18) for beating him up and walking away alright.
Same if some 1 tryes to break in a house. If they slip on the ice infront of my frontdoor (or something similiar) and breaks his neck, i get accused for murder.
It's true and it sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> We have simiar stupid laws here in the UK
If a bloke broke into my house today an I caught him trying to steal my TV or sommit an I beat him up cos of it I would be the one who gets in trouble......
So much for "An Englishmans home is his castle"
US has the right idea your allowed to kill someone you catch on your property <u>without </u>your permission.
My father's convenience store got robbed twice. He lost a lot of money. The second time he found the robbers in their act across the street trying to steal items from the Radio Shack and went over their with a stick and beat them up. One got away but the police found him.
My grandfather also lost thousands of dollars of carpentry tools in his van. I really don't know what they plan on doing with electrics saws and hammers.
<!--QuoteBegin-kida+Aug 16 2004, 10:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Aug 16 2004, 10:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My father's convenience store got robbed twice. He lost a lot of money. The second time he found the robbers in their act across the street trying to steal items from the Radio Shack and went over their with a stick and beat them up. One got away but the police found him.
My grandfather also lost thousands of dollars of carpentry tools in his van. I really don't know what they plan on doing with electrics saws and hammers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They can be worth lots of money when sold on <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> my mate Andy's dad has to keep his builders van under CCTV observation in his driveway cos he's got thousands of pounds worth tools in it but even then that's not stopped people trying to break into it.
<!--QuoteBegin-V-MAN+Aug 15 2004, 03:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Aug 15 2004, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Got mugged when I was little (12) and had my waterproof pull over stolen from me an £1.85.
Sucked cos it rained just after they ran off. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Two blokes tried to mug me earlier this year in May while I was staggering home drunk from a night club, got into a scuffle with them then I got stabbed then they ran off without taking anything an in woke up in Hospital <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> dude V you been stabbed?
where?
i got a big scar in my leg... took a hunting knife in the upper right for punching a drug dealer.
never been robbed myself. had my parents house done a coupla times.. they couldnt get thru the door.. it was a victorian house.. and they tried to 'kick' the door in. good luck. so me and sisters bf went after them and yeah thats the end of that
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Aug 14 2004, 05:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 14 2004, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Once a guy tried to steal my wallet. I put him in the hospital. I sent him broken flowers saying his fingers would be next <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> rofl, good man.
No, I haven't been robbed, but people have TRIED to steal things from me...
Thankfully, I've never been robbed before (although close to that) and thankfully, the laws are using some common sense here.
If a burglar braks into your house, slips on the carpet and breaks his neck, it's his own god damn fault! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Moquiao+Aug 16 2004, 11:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moquiao @ Aug 16 2004, 11:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> dude V you been stabbed?
where?
i got a big scar in my leg... took a hunting knife in the upper right for punching a drug dealer.
never been robbed myself. had my parents house done a coupla times.. they couldnt get thru the door.. it was a victorian house.. and they tried to 'kick' the door in. good luck. so me and sisters bf went after them and yeah thats the end of that <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> First time was last year when i was in a night club with a m8, he got into an argument with someone while I was up at the bar I looked over to see my m8 go down under a hail of punches (he was actually being stabbed all up his side) then the bloke was stabbing him on the floor.
I ran over an grappled with the bloke an got stabbed in the side he ran off then I realised that I had been stabbed an not punched <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> cos my white t-shirt hat turned red <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> me m8 was worse off tho he got stabbed like 12 times all up his side. The bloke got caught and is now getting assraped in prison I hope.
2nd time was in May this year and is the incident you quoted, as far as scars go they ain't to bad the one from the first stabbing looks like a dimple and grows these thick black hairs outa it lol they other is just a red patch at the moment on my back an still hurts a little cos its still a recent wound.
<!--QuoteBegin-V-MAN+Aug 16 2004, 11:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Aug 16 2004, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Svenpa+Aug 16 2004, 10:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Svenpa @ Aug 16 2004, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Never been robbed or anything... but the laws are crap here in sweden.
If i send a guy to the hospital then I will go in jail (if i were 18) for beating him up and walking away alright.
Same if some 1 tryes to break in a house. If they slip on the ice infront of my frontdoor (or something similiar) and breaks his neck, i get accused for murder.
It's true and it sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We have simiar stupid laws here in the UK
If a bloke broke into my house today an I caught him trying to steal my TV or sommit an I beat him up cos of it I would be the one who gets in trouble......
So much for "An Englishmans home is his castle"
US has the right idea your allowed to kill someone you catch on your property <u>without </u>your permission. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Something like that happened a while back. A bugular was climbing on the roof of a house he was going to rob when he fell through a skylight and landed on a knife that was left out on the worktop. He managed to sue the owner of the house.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have however been stabbed twice (separate occasions) but I don't go round carrying a knife with me because of it; by your flawed logic cos criminals can get knives quite easliy here in the UK I should tool myself up with some to counter it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't know about you but if I got stabbed _twice_ I would seriously consider getting some light weight body armor/vest.
Once, some punks in HS tried to rough me up when I went to the bathroom. I was in ROTC at the time and wearing my Air Force uniform. He probably thought that I was an easy target being a ROTC geek (they called us ROTC Nazis).
Two of them waited by the door to block my escape while the third came up to me and said 'Give me your wallet or we will beat the s**t out of you'. Now, these kids must have been in 9th grade and saw me as an easy target. Thinking I would just hand over my wallet to them and be on their ways.
That might have been the case if they picked a better target. At the time I was a senior in the last 2 months before I was due to go to the Air Force Academy. I was training nonstop to get into shape. In addition my friend G***** walked into the bathroom.
Now, I was no 90 lb weakling but G***** is about 6'4" and about 300 lbs and about 3% body fat. He had some problems getting into the military as he failed his ASVAB (test to get into the military) So we called him the BDFA. Big Dumb Farm Animal. However this BDFA was a close friend and also an ROTC cadet.
One made it out of the bathroom. We don't know if the other two ever got their noses back on straight. We do know that it was the last time someone tried to mug an ROTC student in the bathroom.
2. Once when I was 11 some pedophile chased me through my neighborhood and into my house. Thankfully I was able to reach my dad's shotgun in time. (not robbery but relevant) Didn't have to fire a shot but it certainly leveled the playing field. F**king pedophile later turned up dead a few weeks later downtown or some drug overdose/suicide thing.
[edit]: Not sure of the gauge of the shotgun. I cant remember which one I used at the moment.
[edit2]: Thankfully I didn't get into trouble for fighting off the muggers in the school bathroom. I don't think they were smart enough to try to make up a story as to why the commander of the ROTC unit at school would beat up two hoods in the bathroom.
[edit 3]: Last one I promise: While not at work I carry a revolver as crime in my city has increased tremendously and my friend was mugged for the second time a few years back while we were doing community service for the city.
[edit 4]: I lied:
The last week of college some freshmen came along and stole the hood ornament off my car and the emblems off my hubcaps. I really hate freshmen. Had they waited 3 days I would have graduated and been long gone. However, I am now replacing my hood ornament with this: <img src='http://it.games-workshop.com/assets/images/warhammer_40k/necrons/gallery/gallery_deceiver.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> or this: <img src='http://www.bymtl.com/gallery/necrons/necrons1/ctan2.tn.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> (in chrome of course)
<!--QuoteBegin-V-MAN+Aug 16 2004, 05:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Aug 16 2004, 05:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Although criminals will obtain weapons regardless of the law it's going to be a lot harder for them to get hold of firearms if there arn't gun shops selling them and people with private collections. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Guns are here to stay. Trying to remove them will be futile. Placing laws on them will only hamper the law abiding citizens. Making them illegal will only hamper the law abiding citizens. There are countries in the world which do not carry the same ideal that guns are bad - and if they were to become the only supplier, they would certainly have no qualms with exporting.
Humans are violent. If it wasn't guns, it would be knives - as you have admitted in your own post. If it wasn't knives, it would be clubs. All the way down to simple fistfights. Violence is here to stay. To combat crime one must apply a force equal or greater than the that of the criminals. Criminals have guns. Therefore, those who fight criminals must have guns. Will this lead to an escalation? Yes. But would you be willing to remove all guns from honest civilians and police officers so that criminals may <b>choose</b> to stop using guns? I personally would not like to see what would happen next!
Is it me or do some of these 'stories' seem a little TOO dramatic or make beleive?
I mean cmon....a pedophile chasing you through your own house and then you pull out a shotgun. That sounds too Hollywood. And it's more than just this story....(No offense).
But hey...if it's true, then my hat's off to you.
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I feel like a loser. Here I am 5'11 and 200 lbs. and I've never even been in a fight. lol.
half the stuff i read on here.. sounds like it could be fake... just as im sure half the **** i say could be taken as fake...
but i know im speaking the truth.. its a public forum for voicing opinions etc... if people wanna believe and contribute then they can and do.. if not then that is your own perogative.
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Yes we all know very well that guns are not what kill people it's people that kill people, that doesn't change the fact that guns are designed for killing an when you make a law or whatever that says people have the right to own one it's gonna make it very easy for criminals obtain them.
Sensible people who own guns are okay but what happens when a senisble person that owns a gun stops being a sensible person?
I'm not being high an mighty on all this or looking for an argument on this, my original post was out of line an I'll edit it accordingly but the attitude of "I own a gun come into my house at your own risk" is just a little silly cos if you can havea gun to defend your house so can a criminal who want's to rob it....
Actually, no... criminals obtain weapons regardless of the law. Laws only hamper those who follow those laws.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sensible people who own guns are okay but what happens when a senisble person that owns a gun stops being a sensible person?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The sensible ones stop him!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not being high an mighty on all this or looking for an argument on this, my original post was out of line an I'll edit it accordingly but the attitude of "I own a gun come into my house at your own risk" is just a little silly cos if you can havea gun to defend your house so can a criminal who want's to rob it....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
EXACTLY! The criminal has one, regardless of whether the homeowner does or not. Criminals don't <b>stop</b> carrying weapons when a homeowner stops carrying them!
The only people who are being prevented from getting a gun are those who choose to follow the laws.
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If you are implying the criminal is going to steal his gun and use it against him; it's not like the criminal knows where he keeps his gun. He could keep it under his pillow.
I've never been robbed IRL. I remember at the gas station some black guy left his keys in his car to go pay for the gas and out of nowhere this scraggly white guy jumps in and drives off. Then the black guy comes running out talking about "Hey come back!" Yeah right, that **** got stripped of its parts in Miami somewhere.
I've never been robbed IRL. I remember at the gas station some black guy left his keys in his car to go pay for the gas and out of nowhere this scraggly white guy jumps in and drives off. Then the black guy comes running out talking about "Hey come back!" Yeah right, that **** got stripped of its parts in Miami somewhere. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh, I used to do that all the time. Tell some guy your gonna run a scam with him, drop some crappy mid level equipment, run a trading scam with him for a while, and as soon as he drops something worth taking for the scam, grab it and disconnect.
I've never been robbed IRL. I remember at the gas station some black guy left his keys in his car to go pay for the gas and out of nowhere this scraggly white guy jumps in and drives off. Then the black guy comes running out talking about "Hey come back!" Yeah right, that **** got stripped of its parts in Miami somewhere. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh, I used to do that all the time. Tell some guy your gonna run a scam with him, drop some crappy mid level equipment, run a trading scam with him for a while, and as soon as he drops something worth taking for the scam, grab it and disconnect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guy I used to know took stealing people's stuff to the extreme. He would buddy up with them, then get their phone numbers, and talk to them while playing d2. Then he would be like "You want me to level your character while your gone?" Yeah, he got a lot of good **** doing that. Pretty sad if you ask me that you go out of your way to get items for a video game..
I want to know if I should take em to the cops, of rob them and leave them when I next get mugged. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you are implying the criminal is going to steal his gun and use it against him; it's not like the criminal knows where he keeps his gun. He could keep it under his pillow. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No I'm implying that the person going to rob the house could already have a gun....
*rolls eyes*
The sensible ones stop him!
EXACTLY! The criminal has one, regardless of whether the homeowner does or not. Criminals don't <b>stop</b> carrying weapons when a homeowner stops carrying them!
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This is what's called a slippery slope argument, it will go nowhere. The "I must have a gun to defend myself against people who have guns" basing your argument on a slippery slope argument is just flawed.
Although criminals will obtain weapons regardless of the law it's going to be a lot harder for them to get hold of firearms if there arn't gun shops selling them and people with private collections.
Here in the UK I have yet to be a victim of crime at the hands of a firearm or know someone that has an I lived in N.Ireland for 4 years during the height of the troubles.
I have however been stabbed twice (separate occasions) but I don't go round carrying a knife with me because of it; by your flawed logic cos criminals can get knives quite easliy here in the UK I should tool myself up with some to counter it.
If i send a *robber to the hospital then I will go in jail (if i were 18) for beating him up and walking away alright.
Same if some 1 tryes to break in a house. If they slip on the ice infront of my frontdoor (or something similiar) and breaks his neck, i get accused for murder.
It's true and it sucks.
Edit: Not just any guy in a fight i meant a criminal that tryes to rob/assault/kill me.
If i send a guy to the hospital then I will go in jail (if i were 18) for beating him up and walking away alright.
Same if some 1 tryes to break in a house. If they slip on the ice infront of my frontdoor (or something similiar) and breaks his neck, i get accused for murder.
It's true and it sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
We have simiar stupid laws here in the UK
If a bloke broke into my house today an I caught him trying to steal my TV or sommit an I beat him up cos of it I would be the one who gets in trouble......
So much for "An Englishmans home is his castle"
US has the right idea your allowed to kill someone you catch on your property <u>without </u>your permission.
My grandfather also lost thousands of dollars of carpentry tools in his van. I really don't know what they plan on doing with electrics saws and hammers.
My grandfather also lost thousands of dollars of carpentry tools in his van. I really don't know what they plan on doing with electrics saws and hammers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They can be worth lots of money when sold on <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> my mate Andy's dad has to keep his builders van under CCTV observation in his driveway cos he's got thousands of pounds worth tools in it but even then that's not stopped people trying to break into it.
Sucked cos it rained just after they ran off. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Two blokes tried to mug me earlier this year in May while I was staggering home drunk from a night club, got into a scuffle with them then I got stabbed then they ran off without taking anything an in woke up in Hospital <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
dude V you been stabbed?
where?
i got a big scar in my leg... took a hunting knife in the upper right for punching a drug dealer.
never been robbed myself. had my parents house done a coupla times.. they couldnt get thru the door.. it was a victorian house.. and they tried to 'kick' the door in. good luck. so me and sisters bf went after them and yeah thats the end of that
if some drugged up little tosser tries to break into your house.. your best bet is to kill him. sounds psychopathic i know...
if you beat him up.. he lives to tell the police how you abused him...
if he is dead.. its your word.. agaisnt.. well nothing.
that is the mistake that farmer guy made.. he got one of the cunts but not the other...
tragically.. that is the best way to avoid the messed up legal system. if they cant talk. then you are ok.
rofl, good man.
No, I haven't been robbed, but people have TRIED to steal things from me...
Lets just say they didn't succeed.
If a burglar braks into your house, slips on the carpet and breaks his neck, it's his own god damn fault! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
where?
i got a big scar in my leg... took a hunting knife in the upper right for punching a drug dealer.
never been robbed myself. had my parents house done a coupla times.. they couldnt get thru the door.. it was a victorian house.. and they tried to 'kick' the door in. good luck. so me and sisters bf went after them and yeah thats the end of that <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
First time was last year when i was in a night club with a m8, he got into an argument with someone while I was up at the bar I looked over to see my m8 go down under a hail of punches (he was actually being stabbed all up his side) then the bloke was stabbing him on the floor.
I ran over an grappled with the bloke an got stabbed in the side he ran off then I realised that I had been stabbed an not punched <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> cos my white t-shirt hat turned red <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> me m8 was worse off tho he got stabbed like 12 times all up his side. The bloke got caught and is now getting assraped in prison I hope.
2nd time was in May this year and is the incident you quoted, as far as scars go they ain't to bad the one from the first stabbing looks like a dimple and grows these thick black hairs outa it lol they other is just a red patch at the moment on my back an still hurts a little cos its still a recent wound.
pay back
If i send a guy to the hospital then I will go in jail (if i were 18) for beating him up and walking away alright.
Same if some 1 tryes to break in a house. If they slip on the ice infront of my frontdoor (or something similiar) and breaks his neck, i get accused for murder.
It's true and it sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We have simiar stupid laws here in the UK
If a bloke broke into my house today an I caught him trying to steal my TV or sommit an I beat him up cos of it I would be the one who gets in trouble......
So much for "An Englishmans home is his castle"
US has the right idea your allowed to kill someone you catch on your property <u>without </u>your permission. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Something like that happened a while back. A bugular was climbing on the roof of a house he was going to rob when he fell through a skylight and landed on a knife that was left out on the worktop. He managed to sue the owner of the house.
I have however been stabbed twice (separate occasions) but I don't go round carrying a knife with me because of it; by your flawed logic cos criminals can get knives quite easliy here in the UK I should tool myself up with some to counter it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't know about you but if I got stabbed _twice_ I would seriously consider getting some light weight body armor/vest.
Two of them waited by the door to block my escape while the third came up to me and said 'Give me your wallet or we will beat the s**t out of you'. Now, these kids must have been in 9th grade and saw me as an easy target. Thinking I would just hand over my wallet to them and be on their ways.
That might have been the case if they picked a better target. At the time I was a senior in the last 2 months before I was due to go to the Air Force Academy. I was training nonstop to get into shape. In addition my friend G***** walked into the bathroom.
Now, I was no 90 lb weakling but G***** is about 6'4" and about 300 lbs and about 3% body fat. He had some problems getting into the military as he failed his ASVAB (test to get into the military) So we called him the BDFA. Big Dumb Farm Animal. However this BDFA was a close friend and also an ROTC cadet.
One made it out of the bathroom. We don't know if the other two ever got their noses back on straight. We do know that it was the last time someone tried to mug an ROTC student in the bathroom.
2. Once when I was 11 some pedophile chased me through my neighborhood and into my house. Thankfully I was able to reach my dad's shotgun in time. (not robbery but relevant) Didn't have to fire a shot but it certainly leveled the playing field. F**king pedophile later turned up dead a few weeks later downtown or some drug overdose/suicide thing.
[edit]: Not sure of the gauge of the shotgun. I cant remember which one I used at the moment.
[edit2]: Thankfully I didn't get into trouble for fighting off the muggers in the school bathroom. I don't think they were smart enough to try to make up a story as to why the commander of the ROTC unit at school would beat up two hoods in the bathroom.
[edit 3]: Last one I promise: While not at work I carry a revolver as crime in my city has increased tremendously and my friend was mugged for the second time a few years back while we were doing community service for the city.
[edit 4]: I lied:
The last week of college some freshmen came along and stole the hood ornament off my car and the emblems off my hubcaps. I really hate freshmen. Had they waited 3 days I would have graduated and been long gone. However, I am now replacing my hood ornament with this: <img src='http://it.games-workshop.com/assets/images/warhammer_40k/necrons/gallery/gallery_deceiver.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> or this: <img src='http://www.bymtl.com/gallery/necrons/necrons1/ctan2.tn.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> (in chrome of course)
Guns are here to stay. Trying to remove them will be futile. Placing laws on them will only hamper the law abiding citizens. Making them illegal will only hamper the law abiding citizens. There are countries in the world which do not carry the same ideal that guns are bad - and if they were to become the only supplier, they would certainly have no qualms with exporting.
Humans are violent. If it wasn't guns, it would be knives - as you have admitted in your own post. If it wasn't knives, it would be clubs. All the way down to simple fistfights. Violence is here to stay. To combat crime one must apply a force equal or greater than the that of the criminals. Criminals have guns. Therefore, those who fight criminals must have guns. Will this lead to an escalation? Yes. But would you be willing to remove all guns from honest civilians and police officers so that criminals may <b>choose</b> to stop using guns? I personally would not like to see what would happen next!
I mean cmon....a pedophile chasing you through your own house and then you pull out a shotgun. That sounds too Hollywood. And it's more than just this story....(No offense).
But hey...if it's true, then my hat's off to you.
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I feel like a loser. Here I am 5'11 and 200 lbs. and I've never even been in a fight. lol.
but i know im speaking the truth.. its a public forum for voicing opinions etc... if people wanna believe and contribute then they can and do.. if not then that is your own perogative.