Evil_IceJoin Date: 2004-07-09Member: 29827Members, Squad Five Blue
Thumb, as you can see has been taken care off, it won't look like it is the same size as his wrist now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and the top armor plate... honestly that was just a place-holder model for the armor, BUT if I get lazy, which I will, I may just modify and fix it up to look more like the default I guess, I have already made some changes to it to make it look more "fitting" to the arm plate, and I changed a bit of the arm guard as well, and lengthened it a bit, as well as moving the straps around a bit to look more correct...
this will NOT be identical to the default I'm afraid, the straps, in my opinion, look much more functional and secure the way I have them set up, but on the default they are wider and much closer to the middle, like a halloween costume of sorts, and the armor plating WILL be slightly different, mainly to avoid awkward clipping like the default hands are so prone to having...
and I'm glad you like them SO FAR, hopefully that opinion won't change any as it progresses... I'm really really procrastinating working on those fingers though <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
well, that suggestion about nails and loose skin was for fun. maybe some moron would do them but normal ppl wont. but the spicying up the armor was a real suggestion.
you now, make it a litle more than just a plate. jea jeah, skinnar makes it skinnar makes it. well, there are some things skinnars cant do on models. and i dont mean holes and bumps.
and if i know correctly, hi poly weaponry is made with lots of detail, such detail which are usually made with skin. so why not hands too.
ice your a monster is there anything you CAN'T do? here's some guy giving you a thumbs up <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> and. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->so why not hands too.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> possible we will have to be happy with what we get <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ice, i would say work off of cz hands like you did with the fa hands. The fa hands turned out very, very nice <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Evil_IceJoin Date: 2004-07-09Member: 29827Members, Squad Five Blue
<!--QuoteBegin-MrSocks+Sep 7 2004, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrSocks @ Sep 7 2004, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ice your a monster is there anything you CAN'T do? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> well... technically... I'm not sure if there is or not... usually when I'm confronted with something I can't do, I learn it, and never mention it in that duration of learning... I've only been modelling for about 3 and half months though, I'm actually a programmer, so most of the modelling stuff I do is for kicks and what not... but do me a favor and don't ask me where to find tutorials, honestly I never look for em, I just kinda play it by ear until I've learned enough to accomplish my goal... anyway, I'll have some free time later to work on the new hand/arm model, but again, I'm really not looking forward to doing those fingers <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> not that they are that hard to MODEL, but just having to put in the extra verts in weird places so that it bends correctly when assigned... meh... <img src='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm_sshot04.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> played with the design some...
oh wait! I can't juggle for crap <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> how's that?
Oh noez his fingers were eaten by the lork on the clorf that hovers w/o flapping <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Would it increase the PC too much if you modeled the little ridges where his gloves end and his fingers start? Hostile Intent did that and it looks really cool, much better than just having a skin of the gloves.
<!--QuoteBegin-Fox One+Sep 7 2004, 12:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fox One @ Sep 7 2004, 12:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Mmm, that's sweet, al. Where can I get that pistol? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I made it for myself, but I might release it. It's nothing that hasen't been done before... 512x512 textures, a laser, and that panel. I might release it.
(Sorry for hijacking the thread... the pistol looks awesome!)
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
I love your work Redd, its the best I've seen sinec Darkkiz a loooong time ago in the 1.04 days, and it actually FITS!(thats what I love: Guns that fit NS. Especially when they ARE the NS guns! weee)
Though, will original anims also be included with this one? Not saying I don't like yours ice, but I just want as little a departure as possible(I love the anims that they have currently for ALL the weapons).
Evil_IceJoin Date: 2004-07-09Member: 29827Members, Squad Five Blue
Well, yeah, I mean if you really want the less detailed no-bullet default animations and if you're happy with the default hands instead of the new ones I'm working on, I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble to just make a convert out of it to default animations... wouldn't really take more than 5 minutes... BUT of coarse that's dealing with default arm/hands and no special new animations <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
back on the hand I was working on... I was considering modelling the glove on the fingers, but ya know, the hand looks so natural currently... I dunno if really wanna waste that many polies... keeping with the 12 sided poly cylindrical fingers, a complete finger was about 108 polies with the glove cut off modelled on... that would mean the total PC for TWO arms and hands would be > 1000 ... that's alot when you don't even have a gun in hand yet... so of coarse I'm gonna drop the number of sides on the fingers, and possibly just drop the idea of modelling the glove part, to save on some additional polies, it would save about 2 * number of sides on fingers, and then a few more because of the division... meaning even if it were an octagonal finger it would be saving at least 16 polies, plus the additional 16 for the division PER FINGER, so thats about 32 * 4, which comes out to save about 128 polies... and that's OCTAGONAL fingers... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Evil_IceJoin Date: 2004-07-09Member: 29827Members, Squad Five Blue
well... I did the freaking gloves anything... I feel so freaking dirty now, like I've rolled in some kind of wasteful filth watching cash burn and seeing food fights in Ethiopia followed by a fireworks display all set off at one time... gg this is terrible... PC unoptimised: 815 (omg no!!) <img src='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm_sshot05.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm gonna go hide in a corner and cry myself to sleep for having betrayed my own beliefs on poly count conservation <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ice, i love you <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--> <3
Evil_IceJoin Date: 2004-07-09Member: 29827Members, Squad Five Blue
Yes yes... that bitter sweet song I know too well of soft nothings that mean exactly what they are called in the end... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <img src='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm_sshot06.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> comparisonagexorz
The top looks good i think the bottom needs a little work since youre gona be looking at that 90% of the time. mainly just that little bend in his forarm
Great looking hand model, now I can only hope that it will work like a great hand model <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Evil_IceJoin Date: 2004-07-09Member: 29827Members, Squad Five Blue
edited September 2004
no offers yet, and that "bend" in the arm is called a muscle... some people have them... you should check back a few pages to see one without armor, it just looks odd in that pic, anyway, I've gone through and actually assigned it to my custom animator hand structure <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> "WTH did you say?!"
yes... want proof? <img src='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/HP_Pistol_Arms_sshot01.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> omgrosh! [edit: just a side note, I didn't assign the right arm yet, I will do that once a UVW map is done, this way I can just duplicate then assign, saves ALOT of trouble, but until the UVW map is complete, that right arm will be the default right arm <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> now who wants to UVW map?]
Better than I expected. But I'd suggest you start another thread with the (so called) "High-Poly arms" - just to get the focus back on the HP pistol here <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
wouldn't be suprised if Redd ended up on the dev team <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> lovin it
Evil_IceJoin Date: 2004-07-09Member: 29827Members, Squad Five Blue
the high poly LMG will only have the new arms if it is reanimated with my custom animator hands, now, time for me to get to CSCI class, but hopefully soon I'll have put up a WIP thread for just the arms, and then some one can UVW map and texture it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> temporary .3ds file until my thread is up: <a href='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm.zip' target='_blank'>http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm.zip</a> ignore the **** applied textures on it now, I had to apply something to export it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
haven't been able to work on it in like 3 days... maybe tommorrow night or late tonight
like i said classes started again and work at night :/
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o btw what u kids want the little display screen on the pistol to say/have, i dont play ns (competitive cs is the $$) so i dunno what you guys would consider relevant or not.
o btw what u kids want the little display screen on the pistol to say/have, i dont play ns (competitive cs is the $$) so i dunno what you guys would consider relevant or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd like to see it there.... having an additive overlay on it so it "glows" <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/images/hands.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
so more of a "D" shape
and the top armor plate... honestly that was just a place-holder model for the armor, BUT if I get lazy, which I will, I may just modify and fix it up to look more like the default I guess, I have already made some changes to it to make it look more "fitting" to the arm plate, and I changed a bit of the arm guard as well, and lengthened it a bit, as well as moving the straps around a bit to look more correct...
this will NOT be identical to the default I'm afraid, the straps, in my opinion, look much more functional and secure the way I have them set up, but on the default they are wider and much closer to the middle, like a halloween costume of sorts, and the armor plating WILL be slightly different, mainly to avoid awkward clipping like the default hands are so prone to having...
and I'm glad you like them SO FAR, hopefully that opinion won't change any as it progresses... I'm really really procrastinating working on those fingers though <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but the spicying up the armor was a real suggestion.
you now, make it a litle more than just a plate. jea jeah, skinnar makes it skinnar makes it.
well, there are some things skinnars cant do on models.
and i dont mean holes and bumps.
and if i know correctly, hi poly weaponry is made with lots of detail, such detail which are usually made with skin.
so why not hands too.
here's some guy giving you a thumbs up <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->so why not hands too.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
possible we will have to be happy with what we get <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
well... technically... I'm not sure if there is or not... usually when I'm confronted with something I can't do, I learn it, and never mention it in that duration of learning... I've only been modelling for about 3 and half months though, I'm actually a programmer, so most of the modelling stuff I do is for kicks and what not... but do me a favor and don't ask me where to find tutorials, honestly I never look for em, I just kinda play it by ear until I've learned enough to accomplish my goal... anyway, I'll have some free time later to work on the new hand/arm model, but again, I'm really not looking forward to doing those fingers <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> not that they are that hard to MODEL, but just having to put in the extra verts in weird places so that it bends correctly when assigned... meh...
<img src='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm_sshot04.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
played with the design some...
oh wait! I can't juggle for crap <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> how's that?
I made it for myself, but I might release it. It's nothing that hasen't been done before... 512x512 textures, a laser, and that panel. I might release it.
(Sorry for hijacking the thread... the pistol looks awesome!)
Though, will original anims also be included with this one? Not saying I don't like yours ice, but I just want as little a departure as possible(I love the anims that they have currently for ALL the weapons).
back on the hand I was working on...
I was considering modelling the glove on the fingers, but ya know, the hand looks so natural currently... I dunno if really wanna waste that many polies... keeping with the 12 sided poly cylindrical fingers, a complete finger was about 108 polies with the glove cut off modelled on... that would mean the total PC for TWO arms and hands would be > 1000 ... that's alot when you don't even have a gun in hand yet... so of coarse I'm gonna drop the number of sides on the fingers, and possibly just drop the idea of modelling the glove part, to save on some additional polies, it would save about 2 * number of sides on fingers, and then a few more because of the division... meaning even if it were an octagonal finger it would be saving at least 16 polies, plus the additional 16 for the division PER FINGER, so thats about 32 * 4, which comes out to save about 128 polies... and that's OCTAGONAL fingers... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
gg this is terrible...
PC unoptimised: 815 (omg no!!)
<img src='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm_sshot05.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm gonna go hide in a corner and cry myself to sleep for having betrayed my own beliefs on poly count conservation <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm_sshot06.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
comparisonagexorz
Anyways, anyone offered to UV or skin yet?
yes... want proof?
<img src='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/HP_Pistol_Arms_sshot01.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
omgrosh!
[edit: just a side note, I didn't assign the right arm yet, I will do that once a UVW map is done, this way I can just duplicate then assign, saves ALOT of trouble, but until the UVW map is complete, that right arm will be the default right arm <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
now who wants to UVW map?]
Will the lmg be updated with the new arms once they're done?
temporary .3ds file until my thread is up:
<a href='http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm.zip' target='_blank'>http://ice.nsarmslab.com/NewArm.zip</a>
ignore the **** applied textures on it now, I had to apply something to export it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
like i said classes started again and work at night :/
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o btw what u kids want the little display screen on the pistol to say/have, i dont play ns (competitive cs is the $$) so i dunno what you guys would consider relevant or not.
o btw what u kids want the little display screen on the pistol to say/have, i dont play ns (competitive cs is the $$) so i dunno what you guys would consider relevant or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd like to see it there.... having an additive overlay on it so it "glows" <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->