Optical Mouses?

NoKudosNoKudos Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24636Members
Would I be able to use a Optical or wireless mouse to play NS?
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  • gyMegyMe Join Date: 2004-08-27 Member: 30961Members, Constellation
    Yes. But I've heard from unreliable sources that wireless mice have noticable latency, so they are not used as much in gaming circles.
  • ChezChez Join Date: 2004-01-05 Member: 25074Members, Constellation
    yeah, if you do get a laser mouse get a logitech mx 500 or 510...best optical mouses.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    edited September 2004
    I personally use an MX510, an optical, non-wireless mouse. As a general rule, if it works in windows and half-life, it'll <i>probably</i> work in NS.
  • DelphiDelphi Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15134Members, Constellation
    Also as a general rule, remember that anything with a mousewheel is considered hacking, especially if you have up bound to drop an O chamber, and down bound to drop an RT. D: I should really change those. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    4+ button mice are very, very nice for FPSes for (among other things) voice comm, and map viewing. Dunno how many times I've saved my own butt by keeping a good eye on the red dots zipping around the map. "You've got incoming to atmospheric, phase through" "Oh snap, that onos got owned" "yay!"
  • titaniumtitanium Join Date: 2003-10-31 Member: 22166Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-gyMe+Sep 15 2004, 09:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gyMe @ Sep 15 2004, 09:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes. But I've heard from unreliable sources that wireless mice have noticable latency, so they are not used as much in gaming circles. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    any wireless mouse over $10 (that is, any mouse that isn't complete trash) will have no noticable latency
  • typical_skeletontypical_skeleton Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13944Members
    I have a Microsoft wireless optical mouse, and it plays NS fine.

    the only drawback is if it's moved REALLY fast (faster than you usually move it in NS) it'll "snap" to the corner of the screen maybe 2 out of 10 times. it's not a problem for me because I use high sensitivity (thus, slower movements make me spin faster than some people, etc).

    remember, though, mine is WIRELESS. you should have fewer problems with a high-quality optical mouse.
  • Axel_StoneAxel_Stone Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18993Members, Constellation
    Logitec mice have no noticable "latency" problems... unless you buy some old 5 dollar one from a used market or something... Most newer wireless mice fair pretty well unless your trying to play from 20' away.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    After playing with a optical mouse (only one sensor too) I can barely use a wheel mouse any more, the optical is way too precise, its friggin godly.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marik_Steele+Sep 15 2004, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik_Steele @ Sep 15 2004, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I personally use an MX510... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Red or blue?
  • TankBusterTankBuster Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15256Members
    $50 I use Wireless Logitech MX700 Duo (Includes KB).
    $10 Microsoft Optical Wired Wheel mouse has serious snapping issues.
    $5 Fry's Kensington Wired Optical mouse plays fine.
  • ModChaosControlModChaosControl HiveMind NS bot creator Join Date: 2004-03-31 Member: 27613Members
    my optical mouse is crappy on NS, but then again, its crappy on every game <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    Optical mouses don't get dirty as fast as bal-mice, AND they react better to fast movement, wireless mice tend to "lag" behind when fast moving, so:

    OPTICAL + WIRE = TEH WIN.


    Unless other people WITH wireless have better experiences....
  • HeliophobeHeliophobe Join Date: 2003-05-10 Member: 16188Members
    edited September 2004
    i use an mx duo, (logitech, MX700 wireless optical mouse and wireless Elite keyboard)

    I dont feel any latency at all, and anyone who has snuck up behind me and gotten one bite in before i shotgun them to hell and back can tell you that. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    most mouse latency in HL is actually due to rendering problems, i remember in my old GF1 days i had massive problems with the controlls lagging some seconds behind. If you have problems with a new optical/wireless mouse, before you give up on it try changing your rendering settings (turning on Vsync or changing between direct3d and opengl rendering for starters) and then check your drivers. because like i said. new optical mice dont have to "twitch" and new wireless mice dont have to lag <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.

    and of course dont forget the benifits of not having a wire in your way constantly...

    oh, one more thing: if you have a logitech mouse, i (and many other people for that matter) advise you to NOT install their mouse drivers.. 80% of the time they do more harm then good, logitech makes good hardware, but their software department is a bunch of noobs.
  • ChargeCharge Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13144Members
    im sure a wireless mx1000 would do fine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BeastBeast Armonkyi Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15731Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    I have a Microsoft Intelimouse Optical. It's a 5 button mouse of doom - I recommend it to anyone <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
    I've had it 2 years now, possibly more, in that time it has still served me well. It's razor sharp with accuracy, and has yet to do anything that "optical mice do wrong".
    It's also wired and USB. Many don't realise the benefits of a USB mouse over a PS2 mouse, for starters, It's a lot faster.

    As for mousewheel things, I have fastswitch on, and mousewheelup bound to slot 3, mousewheel down to slot 1.
    Go figure what that enables me to do ;D <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I'd like to know how this is "hacking" XP
  • BahamutBahamut Join Date: 2003-01-20 Member: 12522Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Charge+Sep 16 2004, 11:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Charge @ Sep 16 2004, 11:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> im sure a wireless mx1000 would do fine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=mx1000+review+lag&btnG=Search' target='_blank'>A google search</a> pretty much eliminates the whole 'wireless lag' theory in most cases for a MX1000, which is pretty cool - though I did read one particularly bad review stating with evidence that it was laggy, so I dunno.

    Then again, I read five reviews (on the one page) about FFXI:Online sucking, yet could never find a bad review about it after, so still unsure on whether to buy that or not too o.O

    All in all, optical will work, but if you have some money to spend I'd get a MX1000 instead, as it uses a laser instead of a LED and camera - 20x more accurate and works on almost any surface (even mirrors, though they don't guaruntee it).
  • zilzil Join Date: 2003-06-19 Member: 17514Members, Constellation
    I'm using a mx510 and <a href='http://www.geocities.com/gpkgpk13/' target='_blank'>LogiGamer</a> which allows u to enable all 8 buttons to be used in NS. It works like a charm. I higly recommend that u use LogiGamer if u've got one of the newer logitech mouse. It allows you to set all sorts of individual settings for differant games and auto applies them when the game starts. Check it out.
  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    Wow, that LogiGamer app is just what I've been looking for. Mad props yo.

    MX510 is so sexy. Buy one. Today. Steal the money.
  • Minstrel_KnightMinstrel_Knight The truth and nothing but the truth... Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9562Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Bahamut+Sep 16 2004, 10:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bahamut @ Sep 16 2004, 10:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Charge+Sep 16 2004, 11:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Charge @ Sep 16 2004, 11:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> im sure a wireless mx1000 would do fine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=mx1000+review+lag&btnG=Search' target='_blank'>A google search</a> pretty much eliminates the whole 'wireless lag' theory in most cases for a MX1000, which is pretty cool - though I did read one particularly bad review stating with evidence that it was laggy, so I dunno.

    All in all, optical will work, but if you have some money to spend I'd get a MX1000 instead, as it uses a laser instead of a LED and camera - 20x more accurate and works on almost any surface (even mirrors, though they don't guaruntee it). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    20x more accurate being meaningless unless you try to use your cat as a mousepad or somesuch idiocy. You might as well save your money and get a normal one of their opticals, as it will perform identically.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    mx 300-900 all have the same mx sensor and have the same speed without lag, wired mice are just 'unoticeable' faster then a wireless one unless you get a bluetooth one.

    I use a logitech mx500 and its the best mouse I've owned thusfar. but even predescesors of the mx optical sensors (this includes none logitech to ofcourse) dont lag, they do however sometimes have tracking erros if you move the mouse VERY fast...

    <b>btw dont get a razor boomslang (which is a <i>best game mouse ever</i> wannabe) they break far to easy in a matter of weeks...</b>

    My next mous is prollly gonnah be a laser tracking mouse <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • IBTIBT Join Date: 2003-10-22 Member: 21879Members
    ever see that aliant commercal where you add they subtract, well, look for the mouse on that commercal, all i know its logitech, optical and HAS A WIRE and it is the best mouse ever.

    now... to replace the little logitech icon with the TSA symbol and it will be perfect. dont worry *holds up sodering gun* i got the tools i need.
  • Bishop_XBishop_X Join Date: 2004-09-08 Member: 31531Members
    I preffer wirless mice just becuase it eliminate problems with the cords catching, or providing more resistance in a certian direction.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    sry off-topic but needs to be shared for laughs:


    <!--QuoteBegin-guy from NS chatroom+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (guy from NS chatroom)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Using optical mice are as bad as scripting.
    You cheat if you use them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What the hell? Are you freaking serious? LOL Omg my keyboard has <i>binds</i>! Oh no I must be cheat! Oh no I have keyboard! Arg I've been cheating no skillz all this time. Banned from life. mp_blocklife 1. Haha <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    ROFLcopter m8 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    Give it a rest ppl. Who farking cares? And if ya do, you're as silly as this guy.

    ~edit~

    on topic: I heard (from aforementioned "guy") there was a way to tweak the refresh rate of one's mouse up. Is this true?
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-agentx5+Sep 16 2004, 03:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (agentx5 @ Sep 16 2004, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> sry off-topic but needs to be shared for laughs:


    <!--QuoteBegin-guy from NS chatroom+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (guy from NS chatroom)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Using optical mice are as bad as scripting.
    You cheat if you use them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What the hell? Are you freaking serious? LOL Omg my keyboard has <i>binds</i>! Oh no I must be cheat! Oh no I have keyboard! Arg I've been cheating no skillz all this time. Banned from life. mp_blocklife 1. Haha <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    ROFLcopter m8 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    Give it a rest ppl. Who farking cares? And if ya do, you're as silly as this guy.

    ~edit~

    on topic: I heard (from aforementioned "guy") there was a way to tweak the refresh rate of one's mouse up. Is this true? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think that quote likely came from someone with a slight misunderstanding of what an 'optical mouse' is...
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Sep 16 2004, 05:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Sep 16 2004, 05:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think that quote likely came from someone with a slight misunderstanding of what an 'optical mouse' is... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, I think he did. Said "guy" who will not be named, had been making numberous whines and was all over me for being one of those people who oppose the existance of the blockscripts cvar. Later we all went on to talk about other things and I posted a link to this thread about optical mice to answer someone else's question and he piped up said the above... that's why it's so funny. It proves the stupidity in a laughable way

    most of us we like <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> and i was like <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    Anyways... so is there a way increase or overclock the refresh rate of your optical mouse such that you can get better tracking and thus have easier time to aim at moving objects? I'm thinking you'll need to have a USB or USB2.0 mouse as PS/2 is fixed.
  • FireStormFireStorm Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7390Members
    I have a MX1000 mouse.... it's really the very best mouse I've ever seen <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-FireStorm+Sep 16 2004, 06:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FireStorm @ Sep 16 2004, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a MX1000 mouse.... it's really the very best mouse I've ever seen <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> You h4x0r! Cheatorz! You hav nor skillz.

    hehe <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    Anyways, is that an actual mouse? *wonders* Opens up google...
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--QuoteBegin-agentx5+Sep 17 2004, 01:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (agentx5 @ Sep 17 2004, 01:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyways, is that an actual mouse? *wonders* Opens up google... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    it is the new logitec (laser sensor), I just dont like it being wireless, not that wireless would have any impact on its performance. Just that I dont trust them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I said to a friend of mine that a mouse without a tail isnt a mouse... its a hamster, and who would play a game or operate his/her pc with a hamster ...

    mouse > hamster
  • someoneElsesomeoneElse Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11135Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-agentx5+Sep 16 2004, 06:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (agentx5 @ Sep 16 2004, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyways... so is there a way increase or overclock the refresh rate of your optical mouse such that you can get better tracking and thus have easier time to aim at moving objects? I'm thinking you'll need to have a USB or USB2.0 mouse as PS/2 is fixed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    IF you use PS/2 mice you can double the 'fixed' refresh rate up to 200. It was a utility that even worked its way into the official Logitech drivers a while back.

    But even the most humble of USB optical mice can blow that rate away, obviously.
  • CEldinCEldin Join Date: 2002-09-16 Member: 1323Members
    could you go through exactly how to do that perhaps?

    ontopic: what is the greatest mouse regardless of cost?
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