Why is this thread still alive? Forget about ignorance, I'm stunned by this guy's arrogance.
"I don't script, you shouldn't either."
Compare this to:
"I don't use focus, you shouldn't either."
"I don't cloak, you shouldn't either."
"I don't use nades in Combat, you shouldn't either."
"I don't res**** for an early fade, you shouldn't either."
"I don't adjust my rates, you shouldn't either."
"I don't touch my gammasettings, you shouldn't either."
"I don't use my knife, you shouldn't either."
"I don't pancake, you shouldn't either."
"I don't gorgedance, you shouldn't either." (Had to throw that one in)
If it's in the game, it's in the game. Cry. Go hug a plush gorgy, and cry. And then go find a server that blocks scripts, but not before you come up with another excuse to explain why you can't hit anything.
Separate servers for scripters and hackers.....I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how this guy thinks he's right......and how this damn thread has gone on for so long. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Jmmsbnd007+Nov 20 2004, 06:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jmmsbnd007 @ Nov 20 2004, 06:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Avenger-X+Nov 20 2004, 01:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Avenger-X @ Nov 20 2004, 01:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> cheating is cheating, if you wanna hack a game go screw the people playing ricochet or something.. leave ns alone
spend more time on skill building and less time of hack scripting and you'll be a great player before you know it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I script. Do I hack? No. If I were to hack, I would not necessarily script, and vice-versa. Come on, I'd figure that people would know this by now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Scripting = Cheating
Hacking = Cheating
Both have nothing to do with skill, bot are tune up, which help lazy people to reach their goal easier.
This is the essence of having fun in a remotely competitive game - to join in the intention of playing by the rules while attempting your best to break them, destroy them, misuse them or any other way of working them to your advantage. . <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes and in regular sports this would lead to disqualifying.
You are not allowed to use Nitro or overdrive ind Formula one either i.E.
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Nov 20 2004, 05:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Nov 20 2004, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why is this thread still alive? Forget about ignorance, I'm stunned by this guy's arrogance.
"I don't script, you shouldn't either."
Compare this to:
"I don't use focus, you shouldn't either."
"I don't cloak, you shouldn't either."
"I don't use nades in Combat, you shouldn't either."
"I don't res**** for an early fade, you shouldn't either."
"I don't adjust my rates, you shouldn't either."
"I don't touch my gammasettings, you shouldn't either."
"I don't use my knife, you shouldn't either."
"I don't pancake, you shouldn't either."
"I don't gorgedance, you shouldn't either." (Had to throw that one in)
If it's in the game, it's in the game. Cry. Go hug a plush gorgy, and cry. And then go find a server that blocks scripts, but not before you come up with another excuse to explain why you can't hit anything.
Separate servers for scripters and hackers.....I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how this guy thinks he's right......and how this damn thread has gone on for so long. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wrong Comparison!
Focus is in game, so use it!
Nades are in combat, so use them!
You can early morph to fade so use it!
Gammasettings can be adjusted in option menu, so use it (but no further gamma boosting)!
So going by the_move's logic commands that developers and mappers alike are considered cheating and hacking. Even when these commands only report on the game engine's performance or status. Are server admin command included?
Commands such as r_speed, pointfile, developer, net_graph, cl_showfps, record, demo play/stop, cd, cl_messages, status, setinfo, users, writeip, writeid, and the list can definately go on..
By the_move's logic the server admins themselves would be cheating.. you could even go as far as to say the NS dev team probably cheated at one point or another.
Another triple post! This thread gets an extra dose of <i><b>lose.</b></i>
I don't mean to be make this personal, but could I please get a couple of demos of you playing so I can know where these opinions are coming from? I just don't understand how you can sit there ignoring all other points of view that are presented to you. If I can see how you play and where you stand in the overall picture, it might help me understand where you're looking at the issue from.
Oh wait, to record a demo you have to open your console, that would be hacking, wouldn't it?
I thought my last post was a subtle enough hint, but here we go:
When you make a post and then think of something else you would like to add, use the "Edit" button. It will always be on the top right of any post you make. Double and triple posts are obnoxious.
This is the essence of having fun in a remotely competitive game - to join in the intention of playing by the rules while attempting your best to break them, destroy them, misuse them or any other way of working them to your advantage. . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes and in regular sports this would lead to disqualifying.
You are not allowed to use Nitro or overdrive ind Formula one either i.E. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats because its a literal rule. You are however allowed to drive as close to the edge of the road as you like, and if you for some reason invent a way of driving that makes you faster than everyone else, more power to you. On the same page F1 is mostly about tweaking your car, having a good team and whatnot - if anything, thats the most customizable sport around. Something like soccer makes a better example, where a pair of shoes (and gloves for one person) is the limit of legal customization.
On the same page, scripts are an integral and accepted part of Natural-Selection. Trust me, noone manages to use HLSDK and go 'oh woops, we didn't know that scripting language inside the engine existed. if we did, i'm sure we'd have disabled it' <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well, noone that releases a highly complex mod anyway. So in other words, its all in their with perfect intention - which of course you would have no idea of knowing, since you're probably unaware you can create any script on the fly, ingame, without ever using a text-editor. Or for that matter that the wait ; command makes any highly abusive scripts impossible.
Did you people never wonder why there's an in-game console?
Or why the "alias" command is <b>hard-coded</b> into the HL engine?
Or why the SDK explains how to use the alias command?
Or why the NS Dev team haven't removed the alias command (hehe, GG HL) ?
Seriously, these people come on to the forums bitching and whining about scripts until they're sore in the throat, they fail to realise that no matter what is raised in these forums nothing will change. Most of these vocal anti-scripters actually know little about the game.
Really now, come back when you've worked out that bunnyhopping at a marine is bad, and what pancaking is.
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scripts and hacks are not available in game, so don´t use them. Is that so difficult?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, yes they are in the game.
Go boot up NS, and press the tilde key. See that? It's a console. Now type "al". Notice that the context menu comes up showing "alias" ? Do you know why it does that?
<b>It's because the alias command is a fundamental component of the HL engine.</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-KaMiKaZe!!!+Nov 20 2004, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KaMiKaZe!!! @ Nov 20 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't mean to be make this personal, but could I please get a couple of demos of you playing so I can know where these opinions are coming from? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, you cannot get a demo, he'd hit the ` key, and you cannot make demo's through the default menu. That's cheating.
The_move, you're 100% unwilling to expand your mindset or viewpoint, from what I've seen reading yet not replying to this thread for 9 pages. You're totally unaccepting of other people's idea's and viewpoints. I'd go as far to say as that you're bigoted against anyone elses idea's other than your own.
Please consider that you're talking to other people, and if many many many more seem much more informed on the subject, that they just might be.
The LMG's spread is not that bad at all. At a medium-far distance, it'll take the average decent player roughly 25 lmg bullets, which can happen in a little over a second.
I'm going to respectfully ask you to please stop posting untill you have a better idea about what you're talking about. And trust me, I'm speaking for a great deal of people, and they're not willing to be nearly as polite about it.
I do believe this forum is titled, "General <b>Discussion</b>." Meaning, you're here to discuss the topic, not shout your idea's over and over while complaining about how everyone else is wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+Nov 20 2004, 12:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move @ Nov 20 2004, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Jmmsbnd007+Nov 20 2004, 06:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jmmsbnd007 @ Nov 20 2004, 06:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Avenger-X+Nov 20 2004, 01:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Avenger-X @ Nov 20 2004, 01:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> cheating is cheating, if you wanna hack a game go screw the people playing ricochet or something.. leave ns alone
spend more time on skill building and less time of hack scripting and you'll be a great player before you know it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I script. Do I hack? No. If I were to hack, I would not necessarily script, and vice-versa. Come on, I'd figure that people would know this by now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Scripting = Cheating
Hacking = Cheating
Both have nothing to do with skill, bot are tune up, which help lazy people to reach their goal easier. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Okay, since according to you I cheat, go ahead and notify CAL admins (you can even pm one of them on this board, rennex) and tell them that I have just admitted to cheating.
This is the essence of having fun in a remotely competitive game - to join in the intention of playing by the rules while attempting your best to break them, destroy them, misuse them or any other way of working them to your advantage. . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes and in regular sports this would lead to disqualifying.
You are not allowed to use Nitro or overdrive ind Formula one either i.E. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, however, these illegal fuels give you more performance. A better comparison for scripts would be like comparing a standard manual transmission to that of an Formula 1's paddle shift manual transmission. Even then, that's still slightly accurate, because you're doing something that you couldn't do before (shift faster), which is not true when it comes to scripting.
<!--QuoteBegin-SaltzBad+Nov 20 2004, 08:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaltzBad @ Nov 20 2004, 08:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I write my hacks in FORTRAN. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> COBAL FTW! EDIT: After reading this thread I have hearby concluded that the original poster is a complete moron.
Scripts and hacks are not available in game, so don´t use them. Is that so difficult? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See that tiny dot, waaaaaay over your head? That's my point, and you're completely missing it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
See, you're giving your opinion on these things, which you are entitled to.
But assume for a second that I was being serious. I just said that I don't use focus! And thus, neither should you. You may disagree with me, but I don't give a damn; I don't use focus, so neither should you. That's kind of a dumb argument, isn't it?
<u>That is exactly what you are doing.</u>
Your reasoning doesn't matter to me right now (I'll work on that later); the fact that you are trying to make people play as you play simply because you don't like they way that they play is wrong. And arrogant. And demonstrative of asshattiness. Yes I just coined that. You disagree with what I say? Fine. Use focus, and tell me to SUYF when I try to say, "You shouldn't because I don't." But everyone will do the same to you when you say, "You shouldn't use scripts because I don't." Is any of this penetrating that thick haze of bias that's obscuring your vision? If it isn't, you know what you can do? <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cry. Go hug a plush gorgy, and cry. And then go find a server that blocks scripts, but not before you come up with another excuse to explain why you can't hit anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now that I'm done ripping apart your presentation of your argument, let me rip apart your argument itself. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Scripts and hacks are not available in game, so don´t use them. Is that so difficult?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As already stated, scripts ARE available in this game. Put that statement, stick it on a fire poker, and shove it up your nose so it reaches your brain. Half-Life, and every mod that uses its engine, is designed to work with its own scripting language. Period. It's part of the engine, it's part of the game. How can you argue that it's not part of the game; not being in the pop-up menu means that it's not part of the game now? Default controls only? So I guess lastinv is out, as well as hud_fastswitch (one of which at least is essential for playing aliens well). Scripts aren't third party software (hacks), which AREN'T part of the game; that's why they are illegal. The game was not designed to be effected by outside software, which is why aimbots, wallhacks, and speedhacks are banned. Not so with scripts.
And just for the record, I use no scripts. I've re-bound a whole bunch of my controls; I guess I'm a cheater for making capslock my mic key.
btw, if you don't know what pancaking is, or if you can't even make a frickin guess what gorgedancing is, you haven't been very deeply involved with this game. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[edit] Is the edit button really that hard to find, people? Look, I'm editing my post right now. Weeeeee! This is fun! Lot's more fun than triple posting! Weeeeeeee!
<!--QuoteBegin-Head crab+Nov 20 2004, 02:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Head crab @ Nov 20 2004, 02:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-the_move+Nov 19 2004, 09:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move @ Nov 19 2004, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Head crab+Nov 19 2004, 08:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Head crab @ Nov 19 2004, 08:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So you consider cheating anybody changing his cl_updaterate, cl_cmdrate, ex_interp, ex_extrapmax, as well as some worthless performance decreasing cvars like ati_npatch and ati_subdiv, right? Answer with yes or no. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is that also available in the options menu?
See, your question has already been answered. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Good, now that we agree that you indeed consider both of my examples as illegal, can you confirm that you think so because you believe that Valve, the makers of Half-Life, also did think so when they made the game? Answer with yes or no. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Please answer my very simple question in that quote the_move. Ignore the others and concentrate on me. Together we will find the truth in this case, whatever it is. That is if you want to find it and accept it.
You agree that a cheat or a hack must be considered so by the makers of the game, right? Answer with yes or no. Otherwise, nobody could claim to be in position to take this decision, do you agree with this as well?
<!--QuoteBegin-SaltzBad+Nov 20 2004, 05:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaltzBad @ Nov 20 2004, 05:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats because its a literal rule. You are however allowed to drive as close to the edge of the road as you like, and if you for some reason invent a way of driving that makes you faster than everyone else, more power to you. On the same page F1 is mostly about tweaking your car, having a good team and whatnot - if anything, thats the most customizable sport around. Something like soccer makes a better example, where a pair of shoes (and gloves for one person) is the limit of legal customization.
On the same page, scripts are an integral and accepted part of Natural-Selection. Trust me, noone manages to use HLSDK and go 'oh woops, we didn't know that scripting language inside the engine existed. if we did, i'm sure we'd have disabled it' <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well, noone that releases a highly complex mod anyway. So in other words, its all in their with perfect intention - which of course you would have no idea of knowing, since you're probably unaware you can create any script on the fly, ingame, without ever using a text-editor. Or for that matter that the wait ; command makes any highly abusive scripts impossible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, I would compare scripting more too the nitro instead of the taking turn sharply.
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Nov 20 2004, 08:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Nov 20 2004, 08:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> See that tiny dot, waaaaaay over your head? That's my point, and you're completely missing it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
See, you're giving your opinion on these things, which you are entitled to.
But assume for a second that I was being serious. I just said that I don't use focus! And thus, neither should you. You may disagree with me, but I don't give a damn; I don't use focus, so neither should you. That's kind of a dumb argument, isn't it?
<u>That is exactly what you are doing.</u>
Your reasoning doesn't matter to me right now (I'll work on that later); the fact that you are trying to make people play as you play simply because you don't like they way that they play is wrong. And arrogant. And demonstrative of asshattiness. Yes I just coined that. You disagree with what I say? Fine. Use focus, and tell me to SUYF when I try to say, "You shouldn't because I don't." But everyone will do the same to you when you say, "You shouldn't use scripts because I don't." Is any of this penetrating that thick haze of bias that's obscuring your vision? If it isn't, you know what you can do? <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cry. Go hug a plush gorgy, and cry. And then go find a server that blocks scripts, but not before you come up with another excuse to explain why you can't hit anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now that I'm done ripping apart your presentation of your argument, let me rip apart your argument itself. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Scripts and hacks are not available in game, so don?t use them. Is that so difficult?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As already stated, scripts ARE available in this game. Put that statement, stick it on a fire poker, and shove it up your nose so it reaches your brain. Half-Life, and every mod that uses its engine, is designed to work with its own scripting language. Period. It's part of the engine, it's part of the game. How can you argue that it's not part of the game; not being in the pop-up menu means that it's not part of the game now? Default controls only? So I guess lastinv is out, as well as hud_fastswitch (one of which at least is essential for playing aliens well). Scripts aren't third party software (hacks), which AREN'T part of the game; that's why they are illegal. The game was not designed to be effected by outside software, which is why aimbots, wallhacks, and speedhacks are banned. Not so with scripts.
And just for the record, I use no scripts. I've re-bound a whole bunch of my controls; I guess I'm a cheater for making capslock my mic key.
btw, if you don't know what pancaking is, or if you can't even make a frickin guess what gorgedancing is, you haven't been very deeply involved with this game. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[edit] Is the edit button really that hard to find, people? Look, I'm editing my post right now. Weeeeee! This is fun! Lot's more fun than triple posting! Weeeeeeee! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well I do not use focus either, but it is in game so anyone can use it.
Scripts are not in game so no one should use them.
Maybe this is now quadruple, as another **** always complaints, but as long as it must be said, I am going to say it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Jmmsbnd007+Nov 20 2004, 08:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jmmsbnd007 @ Nov 20 2004, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, however, these illegal fuels give you more performance. A better comparison for scripts would be like comparing a standard manual transmission to that of an Formula 1's paddle shift manual transmission. Even then, that's still slightly accurate, because you're doing something that you couldn't do before (shift faster), which is not true when it comes to scripting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hehe, I remember the times in DoD, when people wrote burst scripts for the M1 Carbine, so they just needed to hold the button to empty the 15 round clip in a second.
Lol, sure, this is only like a change in a transmission.
<!--QuoteBegin-Head crab+Nov 20 2004, 11:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Head crab @ Nov 20 2004, 11:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Please answer my very simple question in that quote the_move. Ignore the others and concentrate on me. Together we will find the truth in this case, whatever it is. That is if you want to find it and accept it.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The fifth time I have to repeat this:
Anything, which can not be set up regularly in the options menu is cheating. This includes overtuned brightness, binding 2 actions into one button (leap/bite), double/triple or what ever jump via button, etc. etc.
here as example
// 5jump jump alias 1jump "+jump; wait; -jump; wait;" alias +3jump "1jump; 1jump; 1jump; 1jump;+jump; wait" alias -3jump "-jump"
// triple jump alias +3jumps "+jump; wait; -jump; wait; +jump; wait; -jump; wait; +jump" alias -3jumps "-jump"
Can this be done regularly in the options menu? Appearantly not!
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+Nov 20 2004, 06:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move @ Nov 20 2004, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Head crab+Nov 20 2004, 11:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Head crab @ Nov 20 2004, 11:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Please answer my very simple question in that quote the_move. Ignore the others and concentrate on me. Together we will find the truth in this case, whatever it is. That is if you want to find it and accept it.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The fifth time I have to repeat this:
Anything, which can not be set up regularly in the options menu is cheating. This includes overtuned brightness, binding 2 actions into one button (leap/bite), etc. etc. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I can't use net_graph 3 then =(
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->//Voice toggle - turns off everybody so I can heal [EDIT] I meant hear XD [/EDIT] that skulk coming around the corner. alias voicet "voiceoff" alias voiceoff "voice_scale 0.00; stopsound; developer 1; echo VOICE OFF; developer 0; bind x voiceon"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah this is also nice. You know, switching of the ambience sound is so lame. People doen that in DoD, too. So they could hear footsteps, although bomb sound should make that harder. Yeah, nice, if everything is quite around you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->use a 3jump bound to mousewheel <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> and normal mousewheel jump on bs_1 servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
//Pistol Script - attack at 3 times the speed alias +pscript "+attack; wait; -attack; wait; +attack" alias -pscript "-attack; wait; +attack; wait; -attack"
//Pistol Script Aliases alias set_pscript "pslot1; pslot2" alias set_pstrobe "pslot5; pslot6" alias set_pownage "pslot7; pslot8" alias set_default "rebind" alias pslot1 "bind KP_LEFTARROW pslot1a" alias pslot2 "bind KP_END pslot2a" alias pslot5 "bind kp_leftarrow pslot1c" alias pslot6 "bind kp_end pslot2c" alias pslot7 "bind kp_leftarrow pslot1d" alias pslot8 "bind kp_end pslot2d" alias pslot1a "-attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1" alias pslot2a "bind mouse1 +pscript; slot2" alias pslot1b "-attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1" alias pslot2b "bind mouse1 pspam; slot2" alias pslot1c "-attack2; -attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1" alias pslot2c "bind mouse1 +pstrobe; slot2" alias pslot1d "-attack; -attack2; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1" alias pslot2d "bind mouse1 +pownage; slot2" alias rebind "bind kp_leftarrow slot1; bind kp_end slot2"
//3Shot Pistol Script alias +pscript "+attack; wait; -attack; wait; +attack" alias -pscript "-attack; wait; +attack; wait; -attack"
But is knowing how much loss and choke i'm getting hacks?!?!?!
net_graph 3??!?!!?
Say no please, i don't want to be known as a cheater <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-rennex+Nov 21 2004, 12:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rennex @ Nov 21 2004, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But is knowing how much loss and choke i'm getting hacks?!?!?!
net_graph 3??!?!!?
Say no please, i don't want to be known as a cheater <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does net_graph influence the game like wigglewalkscripts, multiplejump bunnyhopscripts, quit all sounds scripts, burstfire for pistol scripts, and similar?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's very very strange script .. but working
CODE
alias +s20 "slot1; wait; bind MOUSE1 +sxx; bind MOUSE2 +s21; +sxx" alias +s21 "slot2; wait; bind MOUSE1 +s20; bind MOUSE2 +sxx; +sxx" alias +s30 "slot1; wait; bind MOUSE1 +sxx; bind MOUSE2 +s31; +sxx" alias +s31 "slot3; wait; bind MOUSE1 +s30; bind MOUSE2 +sxx; +sxx" alias +s40 "slot1; wait; bind MOUSE1 +sxx; bind MOUSE2 +s41; +sxx" alias +s41 "slot4; wait; bind MOUSE1 +s40; bind MOUSE2 +sxx; +sxx" alias +sxx +attack alias -sxx -attack
I using arrows and weapon swithing have on Keypad (1,2,3,Del) and this script allow me using right button on mouse as alternate weapon firing (pistol, wedter, knife, ...)
- then leap bite it's only Right and Left button click on mouse - or when got empty gun just click right button for pistol fire!, ... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-rennex+Nov 21 2004, 12:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rennex @ Nov 21 2004, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You said anything that can't be done from the options menu though?!?! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Does it influence the gameplay? Does it help you to achieve more kills than you would actually get with your own abilities?
Makes you move 140% faster but you can't shoot or change direction, spam it too much and it crashes steam<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But you said anything that can't be done from the options menu is a cheat!!!! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteBegin-the_move+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everything, which can not be set within the normal options menu is cheating.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
//Pistol Script - attack at 3 times the speed alias +pscript "+attack; wait; -attack; wait; +attack" alias -pscript "-attack; wait; +attack; wait; -attack"
//Pistol Script Aliases alias set_pscript "pslot1; pslot2" alias set_pstrobe "pslot5; pslot6" alias set_pownage "pslot7; pslot8" alias set_default "rebind" alias pslot1 "bind KP_LEFTARROW pslot1a" alias pslot2 "bind KP_END pslot2a" alias pslot5 "bind kp_leftarrow pslot1c" alias pslot6 "bind kp_end pslot2c" alias pslot7 "bind kp_leftarrow pslot1d" alias pslot8 "bind kp_end pslot2d" alias pslot1a "-attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1" alias pslot2a "bind mouse1 +pscript; slot2" alias pslot1b "-attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1" alias pslot2b "bind mouse1 pspam; slot2" alias pslot1c "-attack2; -attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1" alias pslot2c "bind mouse1 +pstrobe; slot2" alias pslot1d "-attack; -attack2; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1" alias pslot2d "bind mouse1 +pownage; slot2" alias rebind "bind kp_leftarrow slot1; bind kp_end slot2"
//3Shot Pistol Script alias +pscript "+attack; wait; -attack; wait; +attack" alias -pscript "-attack; wait; +attack; wait; -attack"
Lol, yeah thats really skill! What a jerk! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> LOL OMG HE CAN SHOOT 10 BULLETS HOLDING DOWN THE BUTTON, JUST AS FAST AS I EVER COULD THOUGH!!!! _special pistol script
OMG HE CAN SHOOT 10 BULLETS HOLDING DOWN THE BUTTON, AND FLASH HIS FLASHLIGHT _special strobelight, which cuold have possible just been a flashlight
OMG HE WALKS TOO FAST!!! will be fixed.. _special wigglewalk script, but it can still be done manually, just not as fast
OMG HE CAN BUNNYHOP HOLDING DOWN THE BUTTON!! _special jump script.
OMG HE LIKE... BUNNYHOPS HOLDING DOWN THE BUTTON?? wrong... tbh still gotta do the movement correctly... 50% of bunnyhopping..
LETS WHINE CAUSE PEOPLE SCRIPT AND THEN LET'S SAY THEY SUCK MAN, CAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT WHEN I DO WORSE THAN THEM I CAN SAY THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF SCRIPTS!!! YEAH!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You know, switching of the ambience sound is so lame. People doen that in DoD, too. So they could hear footsteps, although bomb sound should make that harder. Yeah, nice, if everything is quite around you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
stopsound switches of the sound for a millisecond.., and voice_scale turns off voices... what the hell are you talking about, you can't remove ambience noises unless you delete them from your folder, or replace them... GG CONSISTENCY ANYONE?!
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"I don't script, you shouldn't either."
Compare this to:
"I don't use focus, you shouldn't either."
"I don't cloak, you shouldn't either."
"I don't use nades in Combat, you shouldn't either."
"I don't res**** for an early fade, you shouldn't either."
"I don't adjust my rates, you shouldn't either."
"I don't touch my gammasettings, you shouldn't either."
"I don't use my knife, you shouldn't either."
"I don't pancake, you shouldn't either."
"I don't gorgedance, you shouldn't either." (Had to throw that one in)
If it's in the game, it's in the game. Cry. Go hug a plush gorgy, and cry. And then go find a server that blocks scripts, but not before you come up with another excuse to explain why you can't hit anything.
Separate servers for scripters and hackers.....I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how this guy thinks he's right......and how this damn thread has gone on for so long. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
spend more time on skill building and less time of hack scripting and you'll be a great player before you know it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I script. Do I hack? No. If I were to hack, I would not necessarily script, and vice-versa. Come on, I'd figure that people would know this by now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Scripting = Cheating
Hacking = Cheating
Both have nothing to do with skill, bot are tune up, which help lazy people to
reach their goal easier.
This is the essence of having fun in a remotely competitive game - to join in the intention of playing by the rules while attempting your best to break them, destroy them, misuse them or any other way of working them to your advantage. . <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes and in regular sports this would lead to disqualifying.
You are not allowed to use Nitro or overdrive ind Formula one either i.E.
"I don't script, you shouldn't either."
Compare this to:
"I don't use focus, you shouldn't either."
"I don't cloak, you shouldn't either."
"I don't use nades in Combat, you shouldn't either."
"I don't res**** for an early fade, you shouldn't either."
"I don't adjust my rates, you shouldn't either."
"I don't touch my gammasettings, you shouldn't either."
"I don't use my knife, you shouldn't either."
"I don't pancake, you shouldn't either."
"I don't gorgedance, you shouldn't either." (Had to throw that one in)
If it's in the game, it's in the game. Cry. Go hug a plush gorgy, and cry. And then go find a server that blocks scripts, but not before you come up with another excuse to explain why you can't hit anything.
Separate servers for scripters and hackers.....I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how this guy thinks he's right......and how this damn thread has gone on for so long. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong Comparison!
Focus is in game, so use it!
Nades are in combat, so use them!
You can early morph to fade so use it!
Gammasettings can be adjusted in option menu, so use it (but no further gamma boosting)!
Knife is in game, so use it!
Pancake?
Gorgedance?
<img src='http://www.mahopa.de/bilder/lustige-forenbilder/bunny-pancake.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Scripts and hacks are not available in game, so don?t use them. Is that so difficult?
Commands such as r_speed, pointfile, developer, net_graph, cl_showfps, record, demo play/stop, cd, cl_messages, status, setinfo, users, writeip, writeid, and the list can definately go on..
By the_move's logic the server admins themselves would be cheating.. you could even go as far as to say the NS dev team probably cheated at one point or another.
I don't mean to be make this personal, but could I please get a couple of demos of you playing so I can know where these opinions are coming from? I just don't understand how you can sit there ignoring all other points of view that are presented to you. If I can see how you play and where you stand in the overall picture, it might help me understand where you're looking at the issue from.
Oh wait, to record a demo you have to open your console, that would be hacking, wouldn't it?
I thought my last post was a subtle enough hint, but here we go:
When you make a post and then think of something else you would like to add, use the "Edit" button. It will always be on the top right of any post you make. Double and triple posts are obnoxious.
This is the essence of having fun in a remotely competitive game - to join in the intention of playing by the rules while attempting your best to break them, destroy them, misuse them or any other way of working them to your advantage. . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes and in regular sports this would lead to disqualifying.
You are not allowed to use Nitro or overdrive ind Formula one either i.E. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats because its a literal rule. You are however allowed to drive as close to the edge of the road as you like, and if you for some reason invent a way of driving that makes you faster than everyone else, more power to you. On the same page F1 is mostly about tweaking your car, having a good team and whatnot - if anything, thats the most customizable sport around. Something like soccer makes a better example, where a pair of shoes (and gloves for one person) is the limit of legal customization.
On the same page, scripts are an integral and accepted part of Natural-Selection. Trust me, noone manages to use HLSDK and go 'oh woops, we didn't know that scripting language inside the engine existed. if we did, i'm sure we'd have disabled it' <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well, noone that releases a highly complex mod anyway. So in other words, its all in their with perfect intention - which of course you would have no idea of knowing, since you're probably unaware you can create any script on the fly, ingame, without ever using a text-editor. Or for that matter that the wait ; command makes any highly abusive scripts impossible.
Or why the "alias" command is <b>hard-coded</b> into the HL engine?
Or why the SDK explains how to use the alias command?
Or why the NS Dev team haven't removed the alias command (hehe, GG HL) ?
Seriously, these people come on to the forums bitching and whining about scripts until they're sore in the throat, they fail to realise that no matter what is raised in these forums nothing will change. Most of these vocal anti-scripters actually know little about the game.
Really now, come back when you've worked out that bunnyhopping at a marine is bad, and what pancaking is.
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Scripts and hacks are not available in game, so don´t use them. Is that so difficult?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, yes they are in the game.
Go boot up NS, and press the tilde key. See that? It's a console. Now type "al".
Notice that the context menu comes up showing "alias" ? Do you know why it does that?
<b>It's because the alias command is a fundamental component of the HL engine.</b>
Go figure.
No, you cannot get a demo, he'd hit the ` key, and you cannot make demo's through the default menu. That's cheating.
The_move, you're 100% unwilling to expand your mindset or viewpoint, from what I've seen reading yet not replying to this thread for 9 pages. You're totally unaccepting of other people's idea's and viewpoints. I'd go as far to say as that you're bigoted against anyone elses idea's other than your own.
Please consider that you're talking to other people, and if many many many more seem much more informed on the subject, that they just might be.
The LMG's spread is not that bad at all. At a medium-far distance, it'll take the average decent player roughly 25 lmg bullets, which can happen in a little over a second.
I'm going to respectfully ask you to please stop posting untill you have a better idea about what you're talking about. And trust me, I'm speaking for a great deal of people, and they're not willing to be nearly as polite about it.
I do believe this forum is titled, "General <b>Discussion</b>." Meaning, you're here to discuss the topic, not shout your idea's over and over while complaining about how everyone else is wrong.
spend more time on skill building and less time of hack scripting and you'll be a great player before you know it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I script. Do I hack? No. If I were to hack, I would not necessarily script, and vice-versa. Come on, I'd figure that people would know this by now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Scripting = Cheating
Hacking = Cheating
Both have nothing to do with skill, bot are tune up, which help lazy people to
reach their goal easier. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay, since according to you I cheat, go ahead and notify CAL admins (you can even pm one of them on this board, rennex) and tell them that I have just admitted to cheating.
This is the essence of having fun in a remotely competitive game - to join in the intention of playing by the rules while attempting your best to break them, destroy them, misuse them or any other way of working them to your advantage. . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes and in regular sports this would lead to disqualifying.
You are not allowed to use Nitro or overdrive ind Formula one either i.E. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, however, these illegal fuels give you more performance. A better comparison for scripts would be like comparing a standard manual transmission to that of an Formula 1's paddle shift manual transmission. Even then, that's still slightly accurate, because you're doing something that you couldn't do before (shift faster), which is not true when it comes to scripting.
COBAL FTW!
EDIT: After reading this thread I have hearby concluded that the original poster is a complete moron.
"I don't script, you shouldn't either."
Compare this to:
"I don't use focus, you shouldn't either."
[etc]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong Comparison!
Focus is in game, so use it!
[etc]
Pancake?
Gorgedance?
Scripts and hacks are not available in game, so don´t use them. Is that so difficult? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See that tiny dot, waaaaaay over your head? That's my point, and you're completely missing it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
See, you're giving your opinion on these things, which you are entitled to.
But assume for a second that I was being serious. I just said that I don't use focus! And thus, neither should you. You may disagree with me, but I don't give a damn; I don't use focus, so neither should you. That's kind of a dumb argument, isn't it?
<u>That is exactly what you are doing.</u>
Your reasoning doesn't matter to me right now (I'll work on that later); the fact that you are trying to make people play as you play simply because you don't like they way that they play is wrong. And arrogant. And demonstrative of asshattiness. Yes I just coined that. You disagree with what I say? Fine. Use focus, and tell me to SUYF when I try to say, "You shouldn't because I don't." But everyone will do the same to you when you say, "You shouldn't use scripts because I don't." Is any of this penetrating that thick haze of bias that's obscuring your vision? If it isn't, you know what you can do?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cry. Go hug a plush gorgy, and cry. And then go find a server that blocks scripts, but not before you come up with another excuse to explain why you can't hit anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now that I'm done ripping apart your presentation of your argument, let me rip apart your argument itself.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Scripts and hacks are not available in game, so don´t use them. Is that so difficult?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As already stated, scripts ARE available in this game. Put that statement, stick it on a fire poker, and shove it up your nose so it reaches your brain. Half-Life, and every mod that uses its engine, is designed to work with its own scripting language. Period. It's part of the engine, it's part of the game. How can you argue that it's not part of the game; not being in the pop-up menu means that it's not part of the game now? Default controls only? So I guess lastinv is out, as well as hud_fastswitch (one of which at least is essential for playing aliens well). Scripts aren't third party software (hacks), which AREN'T part of the game; that's why they are illegal. The game was not designed to be effected by outside software, which is why aimbots, wallhacks, and speedhacks are banned. Not so with scripts.
And just for the record, I use no scripts. I've re-bound a whole bunch of my controls; I guess I'm a cheater for making capslock my mic key.
btw, if you don't know what pancaking is, or if you can't even make a frickin guess what gorgedancing is, you haven't been very deeply involved with this game. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[edit] Is the edit button really that hard to find, people? Look, I'm editing my post right now. Weeeeee! This is fun! Lot's more fun than triple posting! Weeeeeeee!
So you consider cheating anybody changing his cl_updaterate, cl_cmdrate, ex_interp, ex_extrapmax, as well as some worthless performance decreasing cvars like ati_npatch and ati_subdiv, right? Answer with yes or no.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is that also available in the options menu?
See, your question has already been answered. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good, now that we agree that you indeed consider both of my examples as illegal, can you confirm that you think so because you believe that Valve, the makers of Half-Life, also did think so when they made the game? Answer with yes or no. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please answer my very simple question in that quote the_move. Ignore the others and concentrate on me. Together we will find the truth in this case, whatever it is. That is if you want to find it and accept it.
You agree that a cheat or a hack must be considered so by the makers of the game, right? Answer with yes or no. Otherwise, nobody could claim to be in position to take this decision, do you agree with this as well?
Thats because its a literal rule. You are however allowed to drive as close to the edge of the road as you like, and if you for some reason invent a way of driving that makes you faster than everyone else, more power to you. On the same page F1 is mostly about tweaking your car, having a good team and whatnot - if anything, thats the most customizable sport around. Something like soccer makes a better example, where a pair of shoes (and gloves for one person) is the limit of legal customization.
On the same page, scripts are an integral and accepted part of Natural-Selection. Trust me, noone manages to use HLSDK and go 'oh woops, we didn't know that scripting language inside the engine existed. if we did, i'm sure we'd have disabled it' <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well, noone that releases a highly complex mod anyway. So in other words, its all in their with perfect intention - which of course you would have no idea of knowing, since you're probably unaware you can create any script on the fly, ingame, without ever using a text-editor. Or for that matter that the wait ; command makes any highly abusive scripts impossible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I would compare scripting more too the nitro instead of the taking turn sharply.
See that tiny dot, waaaaaay over your head? That's my point, and you're completely missing it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
See, you're giving your opinion on these things, which you are entitled to.
But assume for a second that I was being serious. I just said that I don't use focus! And thus, neither should you. You may disagree with me, but I don't give a damn; I don't use focus, so neither should you. That's kind of a dumb argument, isn't it?
<u>That is exactly what you are doing.</u>
Your reasoning doesn't matter to me right now (I'll work on that later); the fact that you are trying to make people play as you play simply because you don't like they way that they play is wrong. And arrogant. And demonstrative of asshattiness. Yes I just coined that. You disagree with what I say? Fine. Use focus, and tell me to SUYF when I try to say, "You shouldn't because I don't." But everyone will do the same to you when you say, "You shouldn't use scripts because I don't." Is any of this penetrating that thick haze of bias that's obscuring your vision? If it isn't, you know what you can do?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cry. Go hug a plush gorgy, and cry. And then go find a server that blocks scripts, but not before you come up with another excuse to explain why you can't hit anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now that I'm done ripping apart your presentation of your argument, let me rip apart your argument itself.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Scripts and hacks are not available in game, so don?t use them. Is that so difficult?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As already stated, scripts ARE available in this game. Put that statement, stick it on a fire poker, and shove it up your nose so it reaches your brain. Half-Life, and every mod that uses its engine, is designed to work with its own scripting language. Period. It's part of the engine, it's part of the game. How can you argue that it's not part of the game; not being in the pop-up menu means that it's not part of the game now? Default controls only? So I guess lastinv is out, as well as hud_fastswitch (one of which at least is essential for playing aliens well). Scripts aren't third party software (hacks), which AREN'T part of the game; that's why they are illegal. The game was not designed to be effected by outside software, which is why aimbots, wallhacks, and speedhacks are banned. Not so with scripts.
And just for the record, I use no scripts. I've re-bound a whole bunch of my controls; I guess I'm a cheater for making capslock my mic key.
btw, if you don't know what pancaking is, or if you can't even make a frickin guess what gorgedancing is, you haven't been very deeply involved with this game. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[edit] Is the edit button really that hard to find, people? Look, I'm editing my post right now. Weeeeee! This is fun! Lot's more fun than triple posting! Weeeeeeee! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well I do not use focus either, but it is in game so anyone can use it.
Scripts are not in game so no one should use them.
Maybe this is now quadruple, as another **** always complaints, but as long as it must be said, I am going to say it.
Yes, however, these illegal fuels give you more performance. A better comparison for scripts would be like comparing a standard manual transmission to that of an Formula 1's paddle shift manual transmission. Even then, that's still slightly accurate, because you're doing something that you couldn't do before (shift faster), which is not true when it comes to scripting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hehe, I remember the times in DoD, when people wrote burst scripts for the M1 Carbine, so they just needed to hold the button to empty the 15 round clip in a second.
Lol, sure, this is only like a change in a transmission.
Dude, forget it!
Please answer my very simple question in that quote the_move. Ignore the others and concentrate on me. Together we will find the truth in this case, whatever it is. That is if you want to find it and accept it.
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The fifth time I have to repeat this:
Anything, which can not be set up regularly in the options menu is cheating.
This includes overtuned brightness, binding 2 actions into one button (leap/bite), double/triple or what ever jump via button, etc. etc.
here as example
// 5jump jump
alias 1jump "+jump; wait; -jump; wait;"
alias +3jump "1jump; 1jump; 1jump; 1jump;+jump; wait"
alias -3jump "-jump"
// triple jump
alias +3jumps "+jump; wait; -jump; wait; +jump; wait; -jump; wait; +jump"
alias -3jumps "-jump"
Can this be done regularly in the options menu? Appearantly not!
Please answer my very simple question in that quote the_move. Ignore the others and concentrate on me. Together we will find the truth in this case, whatever it is. That is if you want to find it and accept it.
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The fifth time I have to repeat this:
Anything, which can not be set up regularly in the options menu is cheating.
This includes overtuned brightness, binding 2 actions into one button (leap/bite), etc. etc. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can't use net_graph 3 then =(
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84922' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=84922</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->//Voice toggle - turns off everybody so I can heal [EDIT] I meant hear XD [/EDIT] that skulk coming around the corner.
alias voicet "voiceoff"
alias voiceoff "voice_scale 0.00; stopsound; developer 1; echo VOICE OFF; developer 0; bind x voiceon"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah this is also nice. You know, switching of the ambience sound is so lame.
People doen that in DoD, too. So they could hear footsteps, although bomb sound should make that harder. Yeah, nice, if everything is quite around you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->use a 3jump bound to mousewheel <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> and normal mousewheel jump on bs_1 servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Christ, how low can someone go?
Wait, this is even lower:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->//_special bhop script
***EDITED***
//Pistol Script - attack at 3 times the speed
alias +pscript "+attack; wait; -attack; wait; +attack"
alias -pscript "-attack; wait; +attack; wait; -attack"
//Pistol Script Aliases
alias set_pscript "pslot1; pslot2"
alias set_pstrobe "pslot5; pslot6"
alias set_pownage "pslot7; pslot8"
alias set_default "rebind"
alias pslot1 "bind KP_LEFTARROW pslot1a"
alias pslot2 "bind KP_END pslot2a"
alias pslot5 "bind kp_leftarrow pslot1c"
alias pslot6 "bind kp_end pslot2c"
alias pslot7 "bind kp_leftarrow pslot1d"
alias pslot8 "bind kp_end pslot2d"
alias pslot1a "-attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1"
alias pslot2a "bind mouse1 +pscript; slot2"
alias pslot1b "-attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1"
alias pslot2b "bind mouse1 pspam; slot2"
alias pslot1c "-attack2; -attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1"
alias pslot2c "bind mouse1 +pstrobe; slot2"
alias pslot1d "-attack; -attack2; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1"
alias pslot2d "bind mouse1 +pownage; slot2"
alias rebind "bind kp_leftarrow slot1; bind kp_end slot2"
//3Shot Pistol Script
alias +pscript "+attack; wait; -attack; wait; +attack"
alias -pscript "-attack; wait; +attack; wait; -attack"
//Special Pistol Script
***EDITED***
//Pistol Strobe Script
***EDITED***
//_special WiggleWalk Script
***EDITED***
//_special jump script
***EDITED****
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Lol, yeah thats really skill! What a jerk!
net_graph 3??!?!!?
Say no please, i don't want to be known as a cheater <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
net_graph 3??!?!!?
Say no please, i don't want to be known as a cheater <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Does net_graph influence the game like wigglewalkscripts, multiplejump bunnyhopscripts, quit all sounds scripts, burstfire for pistol scripts, and similar?
I don?t think so.
CODE
alias +s20 "slot1; wait; bind MOUSE1 +sxx; bind MOUSE2 +s21; +sxx"
alias +s21 "slot2; wait; bind MOUSE1 +s20; bind MOUSE2 +sxx; +sxx"
alias +s30 "slot1; wait; bind MOUSE1 +sxx; bind MOUSE2 +s31; +sxx"
alias +s31 "slot3; wait; bind MOUSE1 +s30; bind MOUSE2 +sxx; +sxx"
alias +s40 "slot1; wait; bind MOUSE1 +sxx; bind MOUSE2 +s41; +sxx"
alias +s41 "slot4; wait; bind MOUSE1 +s40; bind MOUSE2 +sxx; +sxx"
alias +sxx +attack
alias -sxx -attack
bind "MOUSE1" "+attack"
bind "MOUSE2" "+s21"
bind "KP_END" "slot1; wait; bind MOUSE1 +sxx; bind MOUSE2 +s21;"
bind "KP_DOWNARROW" "slot2; wait; bind MOUSE1 +s20; bind MOUSE2 +sxx;"
bind "KP_PGDN" "slot3; wait; bind MOUSE1 +s30; bind MOUSE2 +sxx;"
bind "KP_DEL" "slot4; wait; bind MOUSE1 +s40; bind MOUSE2 +sxx;"
I using arrows and weapon swithing have on Keypad (1,2,3,Del)
and this script allow me using right button on mouse as alternate weapon firing (pistol, wedter, knife, ...)
- then leap bite it's only Right and Left button click on mouse
- or when got empty gun just click right button for pistol fire!, ... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lousy cheap trick!
Does it influence the gameplay? Does it help you to achieve more kills than you would actually get with your own abilities?
Like this one:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->alias "speedup" "+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft"
alias "slider" "speedup;speedup;speedup;speedup"
Makes you move 140% faster but you can't shoot or change direction, spam it too much and it crashes steam<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don´t think so.
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everything, which can not be set within the normal options menu is cheating.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
***EDITED***
//Pistol Script - attack at 3 times the speed
alias +pscript "+attack; wait; -attack; wait; +attack"
alias -pscript "-attack; wait; +attack; wait; -attack"
//Pistol Script Aliases
alias set_pscript "pslot1; pslot2"
alias set_pstrobe "pslot5; pslot6"
alias set_pownage "pslot7; pslot8"
alias set_default "rebind"
alias pslot1 "bind KP_LEFTARROW pslot1a"
alias pslot2 "bind KP_END pslot2a"
alias pslot5 "bind kp_leftarrow pslot1c"
alias pslot6 "bind kp_end pslot2c"
alias pslot7 "bind kp_leftarrow pslot1d"
alias pslot8 "bind kp_end pslot2d"
alias pslot1a "-attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1"
alias pslot2a "bind mouse1 +pscript; slot2"
alias pslot1b "-attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1"
alias pslot2b "bind mouse1 pspam; slot2"
alias pslot1c "-attack2; -attack; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1"
alias pslot2c "bind mouse1 +pstrobe; slot2"
alias pslot1d "-attack; -attack2; bind mouse1 +attack; slot1"
alias pslot2d "bind mouse1 +pownage; slot2"
alias rebind "bind kp_leftarrow slot1; bind kp_end slot2"
//3Shot Pistol Script
alias +pscript "+attack; wait; -attack; wait; +attack"
alias -pscript "-attack; wait; +attack; wait; -attack"
//Special Pistol Script
***EDITED***
//Pistol Strobe Script
***EDITED***
//_special WiggleWalk Script
***EDITED***
//_special jump script
***EDITED****
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Lol, yeah thats really skill! What a jerk! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL OMG HE CAN SHOOT 10 BULLETS HOLDING DOWN THE BUTTON, JUST AS FAST AS I EVER COULD THOUGH!!!!
_special pistol script
OMG HE CAN SHOOT 10 BULLETS HOLDING DOWN THE BUTTON, AND FLASH HIS FLASHLIGHT
_special strobelight, which cuold have possible just been a flashlight
OMG HE WALKS TOO FAST!!!
will be fixed.. _special wigglewalk script, but it can still be done manually, just not as fast
OMG HE CAN BUNNYHOP HOLDING DOWN THE BUTTON!!
_special jump script.
OMG HE LIKE... BUNNYHOPS HOLDING DOWN THE BUTTON?? wrong... tbh still gotta do the movement correctly... 50% of bunnyhopping..
LETS WHINE CAUSE PEOPLE SCRIPT AND THEN LET'S SAY THEY SUCK MAN, CAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT WHEN I DO WORSE THAN THEM I CAN SAY THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF SCRIPTS!!! YEAH!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You know, switching of the ambience sound is so lame.
People doen that in DoD, too. So they could hear footsteps, although bomb sound should make that harder. Yeah, nice, if everything is quite around you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
stopsound switches of the sound for a millisecond.., and voice_scale turns off voices... what the hell are you talking about, you can't remove ambience noises unless you delete them from your folder, or replace them... GG CONSISTENCY ANYONE?!