Polygamy Should Be Legalized

Ninja_of_The_NightNinja_of_The_Night Join Date: 2005-04-06 Member: 47677Banned
from the beggining of time we use to believe in "far-fetched" ideas to say the least. I mean look at the dark ages, some of the beliefs and practices in those time were barbaric to say the least. I think we should enable a man to have 2 , 3, 5, 60 wives if he so does chose so.

why do I think this?

A- **** people can get married and everyone execpts that, so if 2 men can love each other, why can't 2 women love 1 man?

B- Marriges are allso civil unions there are certain benefits to being in a civil union with a person, like with taxes and money and stuff like that. so if 2 people can do more then one person, think what 8 people can do

people who say polygamy is bad are just closed minded and old fashoined, wake up and smell the roses.

what are your thoughts on the matter?
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  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    Well first of all, **** marriages aren't really legal yet. They're legal in what, 2/50 states so far? 3? Something like that. The point is, people are still working on accepting homosexuals marrying, and there is still a HUGE debate raging on that subject. Throw polygamy in the mix now, and this country will frickin explode. Basically, this just isn't a good time to have a discussion on this issue.

    However, if you really wanted to ponder polygamy, then here is why it really shouldn't be legalized: it would cause utter CHAOS in the bureaucracy and in the courts. Think of divorces; if a woman divorced her husband, would she receive half of the estate even if the husband still had 3 wives at home? That doesn't seem entirely fair to the other 3 wives. Entirely new forms will have to be created, whole sections of the bureaucracy that deal with marriages and such will have to be revamped, laws concerning the rights of spouses will have to be rethought, etc etc. It's not as simple as just saying, "Yes, all 12 of you can get married"; there will be large upheavals in the social system and order in order for polygamy to be an acceptably streamlined protected institution.

    Also, as far as benefits are concerned, you don't just get automatic tax breaks for getting married. You simply can choose to file your taxes jointly, which will land you in a better bracket, assuming of course one spouse makes the majority of the money. So, it's not like more wives = MORE MONEY FTW! or anything. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Also, interesting choice of first post. Welcome to the forums. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    edited April 2005
    I think polygamy should be banned, not because it's immoral by itself (it isn't), but because it results in religious cults using it to take advantage of women.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    Polygamy should be legalized. Marraige, as a legal concept, should be entirely done away with, then anybody could call themselves whatever they want: married, unioned, whatever.
  • Ninja_of_The_NightNinja_of_The_Night Join Date: 2005-04-06 Member: 47677Banned
    yeah well I'm a long time reader first time poster, I use to just read the forums for tips in the Stradagy forum. but then this here disscussion thingie caught my eye (along with that hot chick in the art work forum... the one in the bikini... wow) and I thought I'd post this

    so let me get this straight... your saying we shouldn't do something that should be done because it won't be easy... thank you tipical american man.. I don't know if you are from the states or not but you sure are talking like you are.

    lets look at slavary... hmm.... all the laws had to be changed... 13,14,15 amendment were all made... thats a lot of laws changed... oh and yes, revamping the social structure? we were in the "reconstruction" phases of the south for 11 years!!! thats a long time... but then again some people know what has to be done even if its hard....
  • Ninja_of_The_NightNinja_of_The_Night Join Date: 2005-04-06 Member: 47677Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think polygamy should be banned, not because it's immoral by itself, but because it results in religious cults using it to take advantage of women. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    take advantage of women? if thats what I wanted I'd go downtown and hire me a ****, or get me a conkubine (spelling?)

    if a man loves 2 women and wants to care and support them both then why stop him! people wouldn't have affairs if polygamy was around!

    your all close minded. you've grown up your whole lives being told "polygamy is bad" but have you ever even thought about it! I've seen men that care for and love multiple women... and I guess some of you don't have enough love in your hearts for that but some people do!
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yeah well I'm a long time reader first time poster, I use to just read the forums for tips in the Stradagy forum. but then this here disscussion thingie caught my eye (along with that hot chick in the art work forum... the one in the bikini... wow) and I thought I'd post this

    so let me get this straight... your saying we shouldn't do something that should be done because it won't be easy... thank you tipical american man.. I don't know if you are from the states or not but you sure are talking like you are.

    lets look at slavary... hmm.... all the laws had to be changed... 13,14,15 amendment were all made... thats a lot of laws changed... oh and yes, revamping the social structure? we were in the "reconstruction" phases of the south for 11 years!!! thats a long time... but then again some people know what has to be done even if its hard.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sky said that it would be impossible to pass in this political environment and that it would cause a bureaucratic nightmare, not that it shouldn't be done.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> take advantage of women? if thats what I wanted I'd go downtown and hire me a ****, or get me a conkubine (spelling?)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Prostitution doesn't necessarily involve taking advantage of women.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->your all close minded. you've grown up your whole lives being told "polygamy is bad"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So far, no one in this thread has said that polygamy is bad.
  • Ninja_of_The_NightNinja_of_The_Night Join Date: 2005-04-06 Member: 47677Banned
    thats true he did. forgive me for getting a wee bit ahead of myself.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    edited April 2005
    This puzzles me. You're obviously a rather adamant Christian, judging from your behavior in the other thread. However you support polygamy. Either you're a Mormon (which I doubt) OR you're hoping to steer this thread into a homosexual discussion of some kind. Or maybe I'm an idiot, and there is some other Christian faith out there that supports polygamy as well.

    Furthermore, it's not just a "little change". Giving black the right to vote would be a "little change" compared to this. Not only would you have to fight the incessant religious right (which you really should belong to, but meh) in order to get this proposal through Congress, you would also have to deal with the incredibly arduous task of <i>rewriting every single marriage-related law in the nation</i>. It's hardly a close-minded attitude; I'd prefer to think of it as practical.

    And for what? A few tens of thousands of people who would marry multiple people legally? More than 3/4 of which would do it simply because they're foolishly looking for the kind of instant tax breaks and the like that you think come with marriage. Yes, let's drag our tired and torn nation through another dung heap of a debate for that, I'm sure it's worth it. Compare this to my stance on **** marriage: I think homosexuals should be allowed to marry. That certainly won't be an easy or fun process, but at least the end result will affect more people, AND it will be a lot more workable in both the short and long run.

    Marriage is, to me, a deep spiritual (not necessarily religious) bonding between two people. In my opinion, the idea that 4 or more people could share that kind of bond is ludicrous. It's just not a kind of love meant to be shared. Plus, what kind of woman in mainstream US culture would accept being someone's second or third wife? In this day and age, when women are proud to be independent, something tells me that the women who DO accept such a proposal are precisely the ones that need counseling, because they have been psychologically abused in some way that has left them with a shattered sense of self-worth.

    Also, use the edit button, just fyi. To quote multiple people in one post, use the quote tags:
    [*QUOTE=user]text[/QUOTE*]
    without the *

    [edit]
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->thats true he did. forgive me for getting a wee bit ahead of myself.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Apology accepted.
  • Ninja_of_The_NightNinja_of_The_Night Join Date: 2005-04-06 Member: 47677Banned
    I won't lie to you... I don't actually think polygamy should be legalized, I'm just saying that some things are so absurd that they should be banned. like homosexuality, but this thread isn't about that.

    and about Mormons, General athorities of that officially denounced the practice of it (I believe it was installed becasue more women joined the church then men did and it was more to support the women) and so any people or groups doing polygamy are not operating on the base that the church of jesus christ of later day saints are promoting it in any way shape or form.

    polygamy at this time is wrong, god commanded King David to have 100's of wifes and conkubines... but right now he tells us to only have 1.

    Homosexuality, has been and allways will be wrong.

    so in a way, its more crazy that people execpt homosexuality then they do polygamy
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I won't lie to you... I don't actually think polygamy should be legalized, I'm just saying that some things are so absurd that they should be banned. like homosexuality, but this thread isn't about that.

    and about Mormons, General athorities of that officially denounced the practice of it (I believe it was installed becasue more women joined the church then men did and it was more to support the women) and so any people or groups doing polygamy are not operating on the base that the church of jesus christ of later day saints are promoting it in any way shape or form.

    polygamy at this time is wrong, god commanded King David to have 100's of wifes and conkubines... but right now he tells us to only have 1.

    Homosexuality, has been and allways will be wrong.

    so in a way, its more crazy that people execpt homosexuality then they do polygamy <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're looking for a debate on something, then give an honest OP. We obviously didn't get your point, because it doesn't seem outrageous to us. Like Sky, I thought your Christian responses in the Bible thread didn't mesh with polygamy very well, but I thought you just had a logically inconsistent viewpoint, since your sarcasm doesn't carry very well through a text format.
  • Ninja_of_The_NightNinja_of_The_Night Join Date: 2005-04-06 Member: 47677Banned
    I just wanted to see what kind of reesponse this thread would get. so in a sense its "trolling" but not really because I didn't post something outragously stipid like "burn jews" or something like that... I posted something and tried to support it (which was hard given the side)
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just wanted to see what kind of reesponse this thread would get. so in a sense its "trolling" but not really because I didn't post something outragously stipid like "burn jews" or something like that... I posted something and tried to support it (which was hard given the side) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you want to know what people think of polygamy, then tell people that you think it is wrong, but you want to hear their opinions. Lying just obfuscates things in a message board.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    I would agree but there is a by product, you also have to legalize the sodomy of morality...
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I won't lie to you... I don't actually think polygamy should be legalized, I'm just saying that some things are so absurd that they should be banned. like homosexuality, but this thread isn't about that.

    and about Mormons, General athorities of that officially denounced the practice of it (I believe it was installed becasue more women joined the church then men did and it was more to support the women) and so any people or groups doing polygamy are not operating on the base that the church of jesus christ of later day saints are promoting it in any way shape or form.

    polygamy at this time is wrong, god commanded King David to have 100's of wifes and conkubines... but right now he tells us to only have 1.

    Homosexuality, has been and allways will be wrong.

    so in a way, its more crazy that people execpt homosexuality then they do polygamy <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ahh, so I was right, there was an ulterior motive. Yay for me.

    And as far as why the mormons accepted polygamy, I believe it was because after some war (WWII maybe...) many of the men of the church were killed, but since no one wanted to marry outside of the church the leaders of the mormon faith allowed polygamy to avoid having a whole congregation of widows.
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Apr 6 2005, 09:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Apr 6 2005, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would agree but there is a by product, you also have to legalize the sodomy of morality... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I would love to see Congress try to pass that law.


    The Sodomy Act of 2005:
    "It is hereby declared that all citizens of The United States of America are required to sodomize morality, wherever they encounter it."
  • Ninja_of_The_NightNinja_of_The_Night Join Date: 2005-04-06 Member: 47677Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 6 2005, 09:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 6 2005, 09:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just wanted to see what kind of reesponse this thread would get. so in a sense its "trolling" but not really because I didn't post something outragously stipid like "burn jews" or something like that... I posted something and tried to support it (which was hard given the side) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you want to know what people think of polygamy, then tell people that you think it is wrong, but you want to hear their opinions. Lying just obfuscates things in a message board. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wanted to get both sides of the story, so I thoguth about it and tried argueing for it, its like walking a mile in someones shoes / mockasins(spelling?)

    no I did not go out and get 8 wifes.....but I just tried to understand WHY people would do it...
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Apr 6 2005, 09:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Apr 6 2005, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I won't lie to you... I don't actually think polygamy should be legalized, I'm just saying that some things are so absurd that they should be banned. like homosexuality, but this thread isn't about that.

    and about Mormons, General athorities of that officially denounced the practice of it (I believe it was installed becasue more women joined the church then men did and it was more to support the women) and so any people or groups doing polygamy are not operating on the base that the church of jesus christ of later day saints are promoting it in any way shape or form.

    polygamy at this time is wrong, god commanded King David to have 100's of wifes and conkubines... but right now he tells us to only have 1.

    Homosexuality, has been and allways will be wrong.

    so in a way, its more crazy that people execpt homosexuality then they do polygamy <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ahh, so I was right, there was an ulterior motive. Yay for me.

    And as far as why the mormons accepted polygamy, I believe it was because after some war (WWII maybe...) many of the men of the church were killed, but since no one wanted to marry outside of the church the leaders of the mormon faith allowed polygamy to avoid having a whole congregation of widows. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Here's a site that I found explaining the history of Mormon polygamy:
    <a href='http://www.onlineutah.com/polygamyhistoryembry.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.onlineutah.com/polygamyhistoryembry.shtml</a>
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 09:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 09:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 6 2005, 09:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 6 2005, 09:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just wanted to see what kind of reesponse this thread would get. so in a sense its "trolling" but not really because I didn't post something outragously stipid like "burn jews" or something like that... I posted something and tried to support it (which was hard given the side) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you want to know what people think of polygamy, then tell people that you think it is wrong, but you want to hear their opinions. Lying just obfuscates things in a message board. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wanted to get both sides of the story, so I thoguth about it and tried argueing for it, its like walking a mile in someones shoes / mockasins(spelling?)

    no I did not go out and get 8 wifes.....but I just tried to understand WHY people would do it... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Definitely the wrong way to go about doing it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Ninja_of_The_NightNinja_of_The_Night Join Date: 2005-04-06 Member: 47677Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Apr 6 2005, 09:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Apr 6 2005, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 09:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 09:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 6 2005, 09:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 6 2005, 09:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just wanted to see what kind of reesponse this thread would get. so in a sense its "trolling" but not really because I didn't post something outragously stipid like "burn jews" or something like that... I posted something and tried to support it (which was hard given the side) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you want to know what people think of polygamy, then tell people that you think it is wrong, but you want to hear their opinions. Lying just obfuscates things in a message board. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wanted to get both sides of the story, so I thoguth about it and tried argueing for it, its like walking a mile in someones shoes / mockasins(spelling?)

    no I did not go out and get 8 wifes.....but I just tried to understand WHY people would do it... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Definitely the wrong way to go about doing it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    what if I told you I wanted to try being Homosexual for a couple weeks and see how that goes... and then posted about supporting it... would you condem me then?
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 09:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Apr 6 2005, 09:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Apr 6 2005, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 09:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 09:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 6 2005, 09:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 6 2005, 09:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just wanted to see what kind of reesponse this thread would get. so in a sense its "trolling" but not really because I didn't post something outragously stipid like "burn jews" or something like that... I posted something and tried to support it (which was hard given the side) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you want to know what people think of polygamy, then tell people that you think it is wrong, but you want to hear their opinions. Lying just obfuscates things in a message board. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wanted to get both sides of the story, so I thoguth about it and tried argueing for it, its like walking a mile in someones shoes / mockasins(spelling?)

    no I did not go out and get 8 wifes.....but I just tried to understand WHY people would do it... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Definitely the wrong way to go about doing it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    what if I told you I wanted to try being Homosexual for a couple weeks and see how that goes... and then posted about supporting it... would you condem me then? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Um, if you were fooling with us and just trying to provoke a reaction, yes, I would think that a bad way of bringing up the topic. Deceit is rarely accepted with open arms in a place where almost everyone demands solid facts.

    However, if you want to do that for real, be my guest. It'd be interesting, to say the least.
  • Ninja_of_The_NightNinja_of_The_Night Join Date: 2005-04-06 Member: 47677Banned
    um..... I don't think I want to, sorry, I wish I could bring myself to try it , but in my current state of mind I don't think I would be able to.... maybe some other time
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Homosexuality, has been and allways will be wrong.

    so in a way, its more crazy that people execpt homosexuality then they do polygamy <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Only according to the bible, though, right? That may be a given to you, but for a fair few of us here, we don't care about the bible. And even then:

    - homosexuality is a sin
    - everyone sins
    - <i>you</i> are not the ultimate judge of what is unacceptable to God
    - IIRC, all sins are more or less equal in God's eyes.

    Therefore, I don't think it's so bad for a homosexual couple to marry. It's not for you to judge what decisions a person makes; the only person with the authority to enforce God's law is God Himself.
  • Pepe_MuffassaPepe_Muffassa Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12401Members
    As <b>I</b> was going to Saint Ives...

    What about inversed polygamy - one woman with several husbands? - or linking polygamy - one of my wives is your wife too?

    I'll post more later.
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ninja of The Night+Apr 6 2005, 08:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ninja of The Night @ Apr 6 2005, 08:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think polygamy should be banned, not because it's immoral by itself, but because it results in religious cults using it to take advantage of women. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    take advantage of women? if thats what I wanted I'd go downtown and hire me a ****, or get me a conkubine (spelling?)

    if a man loves 2 women and wants to care and support them both then why stop him! people wouldn't have affairs if polygamy was around!

    your all close minded. you've grown up your whole lives being told "polygamy is bad" but have you ever even thought about it! I've seen men that care for and love multiple women... and I guess some of you don't have enough love in your hearts for that but some people do! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Polygamy is usually about lust, not love.

    You say, "If a man loves two women..." and, what about the women? What if these two women don't love this one man?

    It creates more problems than it solves, in my opinion.

    ~ DarkATi
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Apr 7 2005, 08:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Apr 7 2005, 08:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Polygamy is usually about lust, not love.

    You say, "If a man loves two women..." and, what about the women? What if these two women don't love this one man?

    It creates more problems than it solves, in my opinion.

    ~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Do you have any reasoning behind this? If three people all want to get married to each other, why would it be lust instead of love? Why would you stop them, even if it was just lust, because, after all, we don't do that to monogamous couples?

    Oh, you can stop signing your name at the bottom of your posts, because we can see who is posting on the left side of our screen.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What about inversed polygamy - one woman with several husbands?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's called polyandry, FYI.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->or linking polygamy - one of my wives is your wife too?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't see why these two cases would be any different than regular polygamy.
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 7 2005, 11:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 7 2005, 11:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Apr 7 2005, 08:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Apr 7 2005, 08:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Polygamy is usually about lust, not love.

    You say, "If a man loves two women..." and, what about the women? What if these two women don't love this one man?

    It creates more problems than it solves, in my opinion.

    ~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Do you have any reasoning behind this? If three people all want to get married to each other, why would it be lust instead of love? Why would you stop them, even if it was just lust, because, after all, we don't do that to monogamous couples?

    Oh, you can stop signing your name at the bottom of your posts, because we can see who is posting on the left side of our screen.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What about inversed polygamy - one woman with several husbands?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's called polyandry, FYI.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->or linking polygamy - one of my wives is your wife too?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't see why these two cases would be any different than regular polygamy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm sorry, I can't reply to your argument unless you have first comprehended mine. Go back and re-read it. If you are unaware of what you have missed still, re-re-read it.

    ~ DarkATi <b>(This is an old throwback to the days of yore, I do it only because I have been doing it for years and I rather enjoy it now.) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--></b>
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Apr 7 2005, 12:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Apr 7 2005, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 7 2005, 11:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 7 2005, 11:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Apr 7 2005, 08:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Apr 7 2005, 08:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Polygamy is usually about lust, not love.

    You say, "If a man loves two women..." and, what about the women? What if these two women don't love this one man?

    It creates more problems than it solves, in my opinion.

    ~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Do you have any reasoning behind this? If three people all want to get married to each other, why would it be lust instead of love? Why would you stop them, even if it was just lust, because, after all, we don't do that to monogamous couples?

    Oh, you can stop signing your name at the bottom of your posts, because we can see who is posting on the left side of our screen.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What about inversed polygamy - one woman with several husbands?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's called polyandry, FYI.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->or linking polygamy - one of my wives is your wife too?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't see why these two cases would be any different than regular polygamy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm sorry, I can't reply to your argument unless you have first comprehended mine. Go back and re-read it. If you are unaware of what you have missed still, re-re-read it.

    ~ DarkATi <b>(This is an old throwback to the days of yore, I do it only because I have been doing it for years and I rather enjoy it now.) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--></b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe these are your points:
    1. Polygamy is usually about lust, not love.
    2. Often, all parties involved don't love each other.
    3. Polygamy causes more problems than it solves.

    I didn't phrase my rebuttal well, so let me try again.

    Is there any reason why you believe 1 to be true? How would you know that polygamy is more about lust than love?

    If all parties don't love each other, then they shouldn't get married. This is true in monogamous marriage, just like polygamous marriage. This is similiar to the reason why I think polygamy should be banned (religious groups have used it in the past in order to take advantage of women).

    You never really stated what problems polygamy caused, other than 1 or 2. I agree with you that it does cause more problems than it solves (because of societal outcry against it and because of the reason I just stated; I don't think bureaucratic problems are a good reason to ban it, however), but you didn't really justify that statement.
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I believe these are your points:
    1. Polygamy is usually about lust, not love.
    2. Often, all parties involved don't love each other.
    3. Polygamy causes more problems than it solves.

    I didn't phrase my rebuttal well, so let me try again.

    Is there any reason why you believe 1 to be true? How would you know that polygamy is more about lust than love?

    If all parties don't love each other, then they shouldn't get married. This is true in monogamous marriage, just like polygamous marriage. This is similiar to the reason why I think polygamy should be banned (religious groups have used it in the past in order to take advantage of women).

    You never really stated what problems polygamy caused, other than 1 or 2. I agree with you that it does cause more problems than it solves (because of societal outcry against it and because of the reason I just stated; I don't think bureaucratic problems are a good reason to ban it, however), but you didn't really justify that statement.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Thank you, these were/are my points.

    My reasoning backing numero uno is thus:

    1. Personal Experience
    2. Biblical Study

    1. I have a wonderful girlfriend who I can't imagine loving any more than I already do. I can't comprehend loving anyone as much as her. I simply don't think it's possible. (So this is, of course, a largely biased opinion.)

    2. David, as king of israel, was led astray by his lust. He had many concubines which added to his lust. (A conclusion I draw because having all those concubines couldn't possibly subtract from one's lust.) Lust is a beast that is never filled. On a side note, the Bible never condones polygamy. It mentions it, as it does slavery but never does it condone either of the two.

    So I don't have any "facts" I suppose, this is all just my opinion and the conclusion logic brings me to.

    ~ DarkATi
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Apr 7 2005, 12:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Apr 7 2005, 12:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thank you, these were/are my points.

    My reasoning backing numero uno is thus:

    1. Personal Experience
    2. Biblical Study

    1. I have a wonderful girlfriend who I can't imagine loving any more than I already do. I can't comprehend loving anyone as much as her. I simply don't think it's possible. (So this is, of course, a largely biased opinion.)

    2. David, as king of israel, was led astray by his lust. He had many concubines which added to his lust. (A conclusion I draw because having all those concubines couldn't possibly subtract from one's lust.) Lust is a beast that is never filled. On a side note, the Bible never condones polygamy. It mentions it, as it does slavery but never does it condone either of the two.

    So I don't have any "facts" I suppose, this is all just my opinion and the conclusion logic brings me to.

    ~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Your 3 points aren't supported at all by your 2 justifications.

    Loving your girlfriend a lot doesn't say anything about polygamy.
    Biblical stories about polygamists and commands by an alleged deity aren't a good basis for an argument about the legalization or polygamy or the morality (or lack thereof) of polygamy.
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 7 2005, 12:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 7 2005, 12:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Apr 7 2005, 12:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Apr 7 2005, 12:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thank you, these were/are my points.

    My reasoning backing numero uno is thus:

    1. Personal Experience
    2. Biblical Study

    1. I have a wonderful girlfriend who I can't imagine loving any more than I already do. I can't comprehend loving anyone as much as her. I simply don't think it's possible. (So this is, of course, a largely biased opinion.)

    2. David, as king of israel, was led astray by his lust. He had many concubines which added to his lust. (A conclusion I draw because having all those concubines couldn't possibly subtract from one's lust.) Lust is a beast that is never filled. On a side note, the Bible never condones polygamy. It mentions it, as it does slavery but never does it condone either of the two.

    So I don't have any "facts" I suppose, this is all just my opinion and the conclusion logic brings me to.

    ~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Your 3 points aren't supported at all by your 2 justifications.

    Loving your girlfriend a lot doesn't say anything about polygamy.
    Biblical stories about polygamists and commands by an alleged deity aren't a good basis for an argument about the legalization or polygamy or the morality (or lack thereof) of polygamy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's simply my opinion. I doubt I'll be influencing the affairs of our nation and polygamy any time soon, so it's irrelevant for me to discuss it any further.

    ~ DarkATi
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