Combat is not all that bad. Some games can be fun, but I started playing NS back at early release, and I MUCH prefer classic play. Although from a new players perspective who doesn't know much about classic, Combat is interesting and quirky compared to most HL DM mods out there.
I started with combat mode and wolud have had problems starting at ns mode, it's a lot to learn even with the manual. (Yes I read the manual before playing... the outdated one.) Plus it was my first fps on the comp for some time. I couldn't get sound to work on half-life so i played this. Now I perfer NS mode but I still play combat mode sometimes if I can find a sever without those dang pulgins!
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Apr 22 2005, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Apr 22 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everyone here who hates combat (btw swiftspear did his only produtive thing ever in owning all the "CO SUCKS!" people) just needs to avoid combat.
If you hate combat, avoid combat, and stop making posts saying how much you hate combat.
I hate classic. It's boring, slow, and my fun level is so dependant on my teamamtes, who are usually fools. I get little enjoyment out of it. Becuase of this I avoid classic servers and dont make new posts saying worthless things like "The Classic playerbase sucks."
As for the question on hand -- the actual combat maps -- I think most of the changes made were for the bad. Agnst and Daminos were pretty fun maps - and they still are- but then they were changed for some reason. These changes detract from the gameflow and the maps are not as enjoyable as they once were. As for the gameplay of combat, I am becoming a little annoyed. Some friends and I were playing on the marines and were unable to even slightly dent the aliens. They had 3 gorges and 3 or 4 onos. Throw in a 2 lerks and a couple of fades and you have an unbeatable winning combination. Webs are awesome, onos's blocking bullets and nades, and the constant gorge healing makes assaulting the hive with success a near impossiblity. If you are unable to kill the gorges, or deal enough damage to the hive to completly detroy it, by the time you can get back in the hive - all damage done has been healed.
I think the biggest unbalance to combat is the gorge. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community, combat was desigened to get ppl into NS not to form its own following of ppl who never play NS. TBH I dont want ppl like that around.
The problem is we cant avoid co because you all come on a server vote in co and then if all the ns players leave there isnt enough players for strat next round.
i dont like combat because it brung all of the cs script kiddies and cheaters. i have played normal ns since the beginning, and i will always like it that way. the only exception i make for combat is Marine vs Marine. for the maps that actually play mvm good (co_suddendrop, co_bluevsgreen, co_2front_b9)
combat is for noobs, and i can back this up. most times i play a co map when i get bored i rack up a score of like 70 - 3, unless its that ocassional server that actually has good players on it or cheaters. and usually the noobs call you a hacker because they got killed so many times while being cloaked. and when you tell them that cloaking isnt 100% invisibility, they get **** and call you a ****ing loser, hacker, etc etc...
and theres my 2 cents about why combat sucks.
before combat even existed, playing on any ns server was a good experience. before 3.0 came out i dont remember a single cheater in ns, but that has changed since the new game mode was added.
I couldnt agree more I remember back in the day when sarcastic commends like "cause we have so many hackers here" were rife, when was the last time you heard that.
Natural Selection was the first and only community I ever became involved in because I just loved the friendly nature of the game and the players it was an escape for thos that were sick of the state of the cs community. Now look we ARE the cs community.
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 22 2005, 08:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 22 2005, 08:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I couldnt agree more I remember back in the day when sarcastic commends like "cause we have so many hackers here" were rife, when was the last time you heard that.
Natural Selection was the first and only community I ever became involved in because I just loved the friendly nature of the game and the players it was an escape for thos that were sick of the state of the cs community. Now look we ARE the cs community. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The natural selection comunity has been full of elitist **** for as long as I can remember. The only difference is now there are like 6 cliques rather then just 2, so no matter what group you are in you have more resistance against you.
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community, combat was desigened to get ppl into NS not to form its own following of ppl who never play NS. TBH I dont want ppl like that around. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right?
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community, combat was desigened to get ppl into NS not to form its own following of ppl who never play NS. TBH I dont want ppl like that around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm totally a DE player you CS nub. CS is just way to slow and boring, DE all the way!
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Apr 22 2005, 06:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 22 2005, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community, combat was desigened to get ppl into NS not to form its own following of ppl who never play NS. TBH I dont want ppl like that around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm totally a DE player you CS nub. CS is just way to slow and boring, DE all the way! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Go back to NS, you stupid de_ player. CS is the the true game mode, ok?
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Apr 22 2005, 09:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Apr 22 2005, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Apr 22 2005, 06:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 22 2005, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community, combat was desigened to get ppl into NS not to form its own following of ppl who never play NS. TBH I dont want ppl like that around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm totally a DE player you CS nub. CS is just way to slow and boring, DE all the way! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Go back to NS, you stupid de_ player. CS is the the true game mode, ok? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you see that pjofsky? what an elitist jerk! it's people like him who ruin the game of CS.
[edit] OMG sorry, this was supposed to be a PM to cold nite <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community, combat was desigened to get ppl into NS not to form its own following of ppl who never play NS. TBH I dont want ppl like that around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I dont play cs never have never will the game sux and the community is worse I couldnt give 2 shits what there community does.
On top of that im not arguing that co should have its own website im arguing it shouldnt exist at all kthxbye. Besides afaik de and cs are the same game just with different mission objectives. CO and NS are different games with the SAME mission objective. They are far more apart than de and cs.
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 22 2005, 09:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 22 2005, 09:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Apr 22 2005, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 22 2005, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community, combat was desigened to get ppl into NS not to form its own following of ppl who never play NS. TBH I dont want ppl like that around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I dont play cs never never will the game sux and the community is worse I couldnt give 2 shits what there community does.
On top of that im not arguing that co should have its own website im arguing it shouldnt exist at all kthxbye. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> miss the point more pls
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 23 2005, 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 23 2005, 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community...TBH I dont want ppl like that around... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And the co_ players are the elitist ones? Hmmm.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem is we cant avoid co because you all come on a server vote in co and then if all the ns players leave there isnt enough players for strat next round.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, doesnt it suck when people want to play something thats fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i dont like combat because it brung all of the cs script kiddies and cheaters.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This just shows how little you know about this topic. The "cs script kiddies" were around ever since season 1 of CAL.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->combat is for noobs, and i can back this up.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds great - let's see what you've got
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->most times i play a co map when i get bored i rack up a score of like 70 - 3... and usually the noobs call you a hacker because they got killed so many times while being cloaked. and when you tell them that cloaking isnt 100% invisibility<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's some solid evidence you've got there. It's gonna be hard to agrue against that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->before combat even existed, playing on any ns server was a good experience. before 3.0 came out i dont remember a single cheater in ns, but that has changed since the new game mode was added.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well then your memory is about as accurate as your opinions and 'proof'
*edit*
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As far as im concerend something that splits the community this badly should not exist and since NS was here first CO should die<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if you and friends didnt come on the fourms and complain every 30 seconds about CO, then the community would not be divided? The only thing that needs to be weeded out of the community are people like you.
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 22 2005, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 22 2005, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> On top of that im not arguing that co should have its own website im arguing it shouldnt exist at all kthxbye. Besides afaik de and cs are the same game just with different mission objectives. CO and NS are different games with the SAME mission objective. They are far more apart than de and cs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How does it matter what the objectives are if they are both different game modes? Counter-Strike includes cs_, as_, and all the other gamemodes. Natural-Selection includes co_ and ns_. There isn't a separate website for co_ or ns_ is there?
and state your all idiots, because your attempting to argue over something thats PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
EXAMPLE: If you like a soft drink, "cola", and Im drinking something like "notcola", you wouldnt get up from your table and start screaming "OMG YOU DRINK NUBCOLA SUYF AND GET OUT OF MY RESTAURANT YOU RUINED EATING! I QUIT UNTIL THE NEXT RELEASE **** **** WHINE WHINE!"
Would you?
If your answer to that question is yes, Then I think you should just stay away from anything that even CONSIST of the IDEA of multiple people.
<!--QuoteBegin-MrBill+Apr 22 2005, 09:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBill @ Apr 22 2005, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm go on a whim here....
and state your all idiots, because your attempting to argue over something thats PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
EXAMPLE: If you like a soft drink, "cola", and Im drinking something like "notcola", you wouldnt get up from your table and start screaming "OMG YOU DRINK NUBCOLA SUYF AND GET OUT OF MY RESTAURANT YOU RUINED EATING! I QUIT UNTIL THE NEXT RELEASE **** **** WHINE WHINE!"
Would you?
If your answer to that question is yes, Then I think you should just stay away from anything that even CONSIST of the IDEA of multiple people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. BTW, pepsi is so much own over coke.
<!--QuoteBegin-MrBill+Apr 22 2005, 09:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBill @ Apr 22 2005, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm go on a whim here....
and state your all idiots, because your attempting to argue over something thats PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
EXAMPLE: If you like a soft drink, "cola", and Im drinking something like "notcola", you wouldnt get up from your table and start screaming "OMG YOU DRINK NUBCOLA SUYF AND GET OUT OF MY RESTAURANT YOU RUINED EATING! I QUIT UNTIL THE NEXT RELEASE **** **** WHINE WHINE!"
Would you?
If your answer to that question is yes, Then I think you should just stay away from anything that even CONSIST of the IDEA of multiple people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is irrelevant, if co and ns were on different servers you argument might apply. This is more like pepsi trying to get more drinkers so there trying to make pepsi taste like coke. Then all the hardcore pepsi fans get upset by this rancid new coke tasting pepsi and all the anoying drinkers it brought over.
Were only trying to get our pepsi to taste like pepsi.
<!--QuoteBegin-BloodBall+Apr 22 2005, 11:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BloodBall @ Apr 22 2005, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scored consisting of less than 10 deaths and over 100 kills are fun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> why are you telling us this
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 23 2005, 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 23 2005, 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community, combat was desigened to get ppl into NS not to form its own following of ppl who never play NS. TBH I dont want ppl like that around.
The problem is we cant avoid co because you all come on a server vote in co and then if all the ns players leave there isnt enough players for strat next round. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Last time i checked Combat is part of the GAME Natural Selection and this is the Natural Selection Community last time i checked aswell but last time i checked the Natural Selection Community wasn't just for ns_ maps it is for everyone who plays the game Natural Selection.
So as both ns_ and co_ maps are from the game Natural Selection if you critisise Combat then you are critisising Natural Selection as a game as co_ has been implamented by the dev's and vise versa for those who critisise ns_ maps.
In all honesty the ppl who critisise need to grow up and stop saying i hate this and i hate that like little 6 year old school children.
<b>IF YOU DON'T LIKE CO_ MAPS STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE NS_ MAPS STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND STOP MOANING YOU BIG BABIES</b> <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I wonder if thats plain and simple for you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve Posted on Apr 23 2005+ 02:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve Posted on Apr 23 2005 @ 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-evidence @ Apr 23 2005+ 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 23 2005 @ 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community...TBH I dont want ppl like that around...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And the co_ players are the elitist ones? Hmmm.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The problem is we cant avoid co because you all come on a server vote in co and then if all the ns players leave there isnt enough players for strat next round.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, doesnt it suck when people want to play something thats fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i dont like combat because it brung all of the cs script kiddies and cheaters.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This just shows how little you know about this topic. The "cs script kiddies" were around ever since season 1 of CAL.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> combat is for noobs, and i can back this up.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds great - let's see what you've got
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> most times i play a co map when i get bored i rack up a score of like 70 - 3... and usually the noobs call you a hacker because they got killed so many times while being cloaked. and when you tell them that cloaking isnt 100% invisibility<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's some solid evidence you've got there. It's gonna be hard to agrue against that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> before combat even existed, playing on any ns server was a good experience. before 3.0 came out i dont remember a single cheater in ns, but that has changed since the new game mode was added.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well then your memory is about as accurate as your opinions and 'proof'
*edit*
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As far as im concerend something that splits the community this badly should not exist and since NS was here first CO should die<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if you and friends didnt come on the fourms and complain every 30 seconds about CO, then the community would not be divided? The only thing that needs to be weeded out of the community are people like you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well said there matey <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
WE CAN'T BE ASSED TO LEAVE AND FIND A NEW SERVER PLAYING THE GAME MODE WE LIKE WHEN SOMEONE VOTEMAPS CO IN! GOD FORBID!
CLEARLY CO SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE GAME, DISSAPOINTING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, SO I NO LONGER HAVE TO BE MINORLY INCONVINANCED FROM TIME TO TIME ANY MORE!
and state your all idiots, because your attempting to argue over something thats PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
EXAMPLE: If you like a soft drink, "cola", and Im drinking something like "notcola", you wouldnt get up from your table and start screaming "OMG YOU DRINK NUBCOLA SUYF AND GET OUT OF MY RESTAURANT YOU RUINED EATING! I QUIT UNTIL THE NEXT RELEASE **** **** WHINE WHINE!"
Would you?
If your answer to that question is yes, Then I think you should just stay away from anything that even CONSIST of the IDEA of multiple people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is irrelevant, if co and ns were on different servers you argument might apply. This is more like pepsi trying to get more drinkers so there trying to make pepsi taste like coke. Then all the hardcore pepsi fans get upset by this rancid new coke tasting pepsi and all the anoying drinkers it brought over.
Were only trying to get our pepsi to taste like pepsi. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well if you want pepsi, go to a place that sells pepsi. It's simple. If you don't want to play CO goto to a NS only server. Can't find one? There are plenty of them everytime i log into steam.
You are trying to force your opinions on everyone else.
You are crying beacause you want to feel 'special' and you think belonging to a certain 'clique' makes you feel that way.
I bet you people who are anti co are the kinda guys who listen to bands and when they have a hit single you cry "OMGZ THEY SOLD OUT. I WAS INTO THEM WHEN THEY WAS UNDERGROUND"
Grow up. For those of you who say that co brought along the scripting cheaters i suggest you speak to the vets and clanners who have been playing since day 1. They will tell you THEY have been scripting from day 1. It's gaming, it's the half-life engine, any game that comes out will have scripters playing from the start.
I love the community. I started playing NS before CO came out. As a result i was too scared to learn to lerk, too scared to learn to fade, too scared to learn to onos, because of getting slaughtered by my teammates for wasting res when i died within 2 secs to a la lmg. CO gave me the opportunity to learn how to play as these lifeforms. I'm still not very good, but i play as them in CO and am getting better.
Now i use them in NS.
CO is important to the growth and development of NS. It's people like you who want NS to remain a small cliquey enviroment. "OMGZ THEY SOLD OUT. PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME NOW"
Listen to yourselves and come back when you have experienced life the world and the universe, and maybe you've got out of nappies.
I am a 'Mature' gamer. I listen to all your kiddie bollox and it saddens me. Life is about experience, growth and change. Adapt, learn, grow up - Natural selection - do what it takes to survive.
Oh and please if you want to be part of a clique, i just started playing a beta for a new source mod, currently there is one map only for it. Research, dig it out, play it. Then you can cry when they make a second map and more people start playing "OMGZ THEY MADE A SECOND MAP. I WAS INTO THIS BEFORE THEY SOLD OUT"
But to be fair, if CO had never come along what would you be moaning about.....
"OMGZ THEY REMADE BAST. THIS SUXORZ" - I suppose you guys use this, or maybe
"OMGZ NS SUX NOW. IT HAS LOST THE ATMOSPHERE> THE OLD DAYS WAS THE B3ST"
or maybe
"OMGZ THESE NOOBS. COME IN HERE AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY"
People like you will whinge and whine at anything. Your particular target today is CO.
I will suggest a compromise -
DEVS READ THIS THREAD AND MAKE A NOTE OF EVERYONE'S NAME IN THE THREAD THAT MOAN AT CO, THEN REMOVE CO. IF THEY MOAN ABOUT ANYTHING IN NS YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE JUST SERIAL MOANERS, AND ONCE THEY HAVE ALL MOANED ABOUT ONE OF THE ABOVE THINGS YOU WILL HAVE BEEN VINDICATED AND CAN REINSTATE CO.
and i can safely say CO would be back in within a month.
[/rant]
Nothing like a saturday morning rant while at work!!
<!--QuoteBegin-TheJim+Apr 23 2005, 07:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheJim @ Apr 23 2005, 07:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>IF YOU DON'T LIKE CO_ MAPS STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE NS_ MAPS STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND STOP MOANING YOU BIG BABIES</b> <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I wonder if thats plain and simple for you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Unfortunatly, it isn't quite that simply.
Personal dislike for CO is one thing. I make it a point to avoid CO games when possible, and I know one of the admins on my server will choose to sit in the readyroom and do nothing during a CO map rather than play in hopes of making a change to NS. Anyone can avoid CO if they want to.
The issue is the effect that it's having on the overall community. Combat is teaching players the *wrong* type of gameplay for NS, and this is as a result undermining the gameplay of NS maps. We people who dislike CO and try to avoid it still feel the effects of it, despite our best efforts.
Combat is, obviously, a very different style of gameplay than NS. It places a heavy emphasis on direct assaults and individual skill. Players will play combat with the hopes of "getting to the top of the chart", no matter the cost. I *always* see combat skulks darting at marines directly, or assault lerks pancaking in the marine start.
NS, however, focuses on teamwork and patience. For an alien to be most successful they must attempt to ambush the marine or surpise them, not charge blindly at them. Marines must learn to stick together and help one another, rather than ramboing off alone as soon as they spawn. Aliens also need to be aware that there are more important things in the game than evolving to the highest lifeform.
Remember back in 1.04 when you actually had to look at the ceiling when walking into a room, in case a skulk was waiting there? I never have to do that now with people who started playing after combat came out; they simply charge right at me. And then they yell at me when I kill them four times in a row, because they don't understand how different a game CO and NS are. This then turns them away from NS to go back to CO.
In sum, the addition of CO has degraded the quality of NS games, and this is the reason I despise it.
hi sentrysteve how are you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm playing with berger on the CS:S Goon server a lot now!
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 23 2005, 03:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 23 2005, 03:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It seems to me that the most of us want it gone it is certainly not just one or two of us.
Your personal attacks only Affirm my believe that co_ has only attracted a cs like community. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry, I'm prone to use sarcastic outbreaks against idiocy, bad habit.
Let me rephrase my points properly. You are wrong. There is no room for your opinion because it is simply wrong. You make no effort to be right, and thus remain wrong. Your points remain unbacked and you willfully ignore fact in favor of character assassinations against the poeple who disagree with you, which doesn't in of itself make you wrong, but you are still wrong. You are confused as to reality and all the things you are saying are not right... they are all wrong. You may be right on other subjects but on this subject you are entirely wrong.
People are having fun playing the game and there is absolutly nothing wrong with it. It has not attracted a more "CS like comunity" as all the people who are flaming you here have been around at least a full year longer then you have, and the old vets have been around alot longer then us (lets just say that thier reputation isn't that great either) so I'm sorry to inform you your perception of the NS comunity is, quite simply, highly delusional. Either way, I see far more frustratingly ignorant co haters around these forums then I see co exclusive nubs. I have no clue where you guys even picked up the idea that co hate was apropriate or cool, the vast majority of you have never played more then a few rounds, yet you still act as if you are experts on the issue. Game developers do not destroy working game content because small groups of thier comunity dislike them. It is apropriate to ask for changes, but it is not apropriate to ask for CO to go away, period.
If you dislike co you are invited to stay the hell away from it. As I quite adequately stated before through my apparently misread sarcasm, it is not difficult to find NS only servers, or to change servers when they decide to play co mode for a while. For now however, why don't you guys stop spamming all the co idea threads, and stop propagating this rediculous hate material.
For the life of me I can't help but see co hate as just another forum of good old classic NS elitism, but this time it is poor players being elitist against new players rather then good players being elitist agaisnt poor players. I don't understand how the NS comunity became so elitist, but it really never was cool and it really still isn't.
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Although from a new players perspective who doesn't know much about classic, Combat is interesting and quirky compared to most HL DM mods out there.
If you hate combat, avoid combat, and stop making posts saying how much you hate combat.
I hate classic. It's boring, slow, and my fun level is so dependant on my teamamtes, who are usually fools. I get little enjoyment out of it. Becuase of this I avoid classic servers and dont make new posts saying worthless things like "The Classic playerbase sucks."
As for the question on hand -- the actual combat maps -- I think most of the changes made were for the bad. Agnst and Daminos were pretty fun maps - and they still are- but then they were changed for some reason. These changes detract from the gameflow and the maps are not as enjoyable as they once were. As for the gameplay of combat, I am becoming a little annoyed. Some friends and I were playing on the marines and were unable to even slightly dent the aliens. They had 3 gorges and 3 or 4 onos. Throw in a 2 lerks and a couple of fades and you have an unbeatable winning combination. Webs are awesome, onos's blocking bullets and nades, and the constant gorge healing makes assaulting the hive with success a near impossiblity. If you are unable to kill the gorges, or deal enough damage to the hive to completly detroy it, by the time you can get back in the hive - all damage done has been healed.
I think the biggest unbalance to combat is the gorge. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community, combat was desigened to get ppl into NS not to form its own following of ppl who never play NS. TBH I dont want ppl like that around.
The problem is we cant avoid co because you all come on a server vote in co and then if all the ns players leave there isnt enough players for strat next round.
combat is for noobs, and i can back this up. most times i play a co map when i get bored i rack up a score of like 70 - 3, unless its that ocassional server that actually has good players on it or cheaters. and usually the noobs call you a hacker because they got killed so many times while being cloaked. and when you tell them that cloaking isnt 100% invisibility, they get **** and call you a ****ing loser, hacker, etc etc...
and theres my 2 cents about why combat sucks.
before combat even existed, playing on any ns server was a good experience. before 3.0 came out i dont remember a single cheater in ns, but that has changed since the new game mode was added.
NS > CO always.
Natural Selection was the first and only community I ever became involved in because I just loved the friendly nature of the game and the players it was an escape for thos that were sick of the state of the cs community. Now look we ARE the cs community.
Natural Selection was the first and only community I ever became involved in because I just loved the friendly nature of the game and the players it was an escape for thos that were sick of the state of the cs community. Now look we ARE the cs community. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The natural selection comunity has been full of elitist **** for as long as I can remember. The only difference is now there are like 6 cliques rather then just 2, so no matter what group you are in you have more resistance against you.
So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right?
So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm totally a DE player you CS nub. CS is just way to slow and boring, DE all the way!
So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm totally a DE player you CS nub. CS is just way to slow and boring, DE all the way! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go back to NS, you stupid de_ player. CS is the the true game mode, ok?
So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm totally a DE player you CS nub. CS is just way to slow and boring, DE all the way! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go back to NS, you stupid de_ player. CS is the the true game mode, ok? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you see that pjofsky? what an elitist jerk! it's people like him who ruin the game of CS.
[edit] OMG sorry, this was supposed to be a PM to cold nite <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
GG pm functions.
So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont play cs never have never will the game sux and the community is worse I couldnt give 2 shits what there community does.
On top of that im not arguing that co should have its own website im arguing it shouldnt exist at all kthxbye. Besides afaik de and cs are the same game just with different mission objectives. CO and NS are different games with the SAME mission objective. They are far more apart than de and cs.
So you're saying de_ maps and cs_ maps in Counter-Strike are entirely different games? They should make a defusemaps.com and an assassinationmaps.com because they're really different, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont play cs never never will the game sux and the community is worse I couldnt give 2 shits what there community does.
On top of that im not arguing that co should have its own website im arguing it shouldnt exist at all kthxbye. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
miss the point more pls
Need more <3. Defenitely need more <3.
THAT MEANS YOU PJ AND SWIFT.
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And the co_ players are the elitist ones? Hmmm.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem is we cant avoid co because you all come on a server vote in co and then if all the ns players leave there isnt enough players for strat next round.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, doesnt it suck when people want to play something thats fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i dont like combat because it brung all of the cs script kiddies and cheaters.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This just shows how little you know about this topic. The "cs script kiddies" were around ever since season 1 of CAL.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->combat is for noobs, and i can back this up.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds great - let's see what you've got
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->most times i play a co map when i get bored i rack up a score of like 70 - 3... and usually the noobs call you a hacker because they got killed so many times while being cloaked. and when you tell them that cloaking isnt 100% invisibility<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's some solid evidence you've got there. It's gonna be hard to agrue against that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->before combat even existed, playing on any ns server was a good experience. before 3.0 came out i dont remember a single cheater in ns, but that has changed since the new game mode was added.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well then your memory is about as accurate as your opinions and 'proof'
*edit*
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As far as im concerend something that splits the community this badly should not exist and since NS was here first CO should die<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if you and friends didnt come on the fourms and complain every 30 seconds about CO, then the community would not be divided? The only thing that needs to be weeded out of the community are people like you.
How does it matter what the objectives are if they are both different game modes? Counter-Strike includes cs_, as_, and all the other gamemodes. Natural-Selection includes co_ and ns_. There isn't a separate website for co_ or ns_ is there?
and state your all idiots, because your attempting to argue over something thats PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
EXAMPLE: If you like a soft drink, "cola", and Im drinking something like "notcola", you wouldnt get up from your table and start screaming "OMG YOU DRINK NUBCOLA SUYF AND GET OUT OF MY RESTAURANT YOU RUINED EATING! I QUIT UNTIL THE NEXT RELEASE **** **** WHINE WHINE!"
Would you?
If your answer to that question is yes, Then I think you should just stay away from anything that even CONSIST of the IDEA of multiple people.
and state your all idiots, because your attempting to argue over something thats PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
EXAMPLE: If you like a soft drink, "cola", and Im drinking something like "notcola", you wouldnt get up from your table and start screaming "OMG YOU DRINK NUBCOLA SUYF AND GET OUT OF MY RESTAURANT YOU RUINED EATING! I QUIT UNTIL THE NEXT RELEASE **** **** WHINE WHINE!"
Would you?
If your answer to that question is yes, Then I think you should just stay away from anything that even CONSIST of the IDEA of multiple people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. BTW, pepsi is so much own over coke.
anyway
and state your all idiots, because your attempting to argue over something thats PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
EXAMPLE: If you like a soft drink, "cola", and Im drinking something like "notcola", you wouldnt get up from your table and start screaming "OMG YOU DRINK NUBCOLA SUYF AND GET OUT OF MY RESTAURANT YOU RUINED EATING! I QUIT UNTIL THE NEXT RELEASE **** **** WHINE WHINE!"
Would you?
If your answer to that question is yes, Then I think you should just stay away from anything that even CONSIST of the IDEA of multiple people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is irrelevant, if co and ns were on different servers you argument might apply. This is more like pepsi trying to get more drinkers so there trying to make pepsi taste like coke. Then all the hardcore pepsi fans get upset by this rancid new coke tasting pepsi and all the anoying drinkers it brought over.
Were only trying to get our pepsi to taste like pepsi.
why are you telling us this
The problem is we cant avoid co because you all come on a server vote in co and then if all the ns players leave there isnt enough players for strat next round. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Last time i checked Combat is part of the GAME Natural Selection and this is the Natural Selection Community last time i checked aswell but last time i checked the Natural Selection Community wasn't just for ns_ maps it is for everyone who plays the game Natural Selection.
So as both ns_ and co_ maps are from the game Natural Selection if you critisise Combat then you are critisising Natural Selection as a game as co_ has been implamented by the dev's and vise versa for those who critisise ns_ maps.
In all honesty the ppl who critisise need to grow up and stop saying i hate this and i hate that like little 6 year old school children.
<b>IF YOU DON'T LIKE CO_ MAPS STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE NS_ MAPS STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND STOP MOANING YOU BIG BABIES</b> <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I wonder if thats plain and simple for you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve Posted on Apr 23 2005+ 02:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve Posted on Apr 23 2005 @ 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence @ Apr 23 2005+ 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 23 2005 @ 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
OMG This is the NATURAL SELECTION community not the flipping combat community...TBH I dont want ppl like that around...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And the co_ players are the elitist ones? Hmmm.
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The problem is we cant avoid co because you all come on a server vote in co and then if all the ns players leave there isnt enough players for strat next round.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, doesnt it suck when people want to play something thats fun.
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i dont like combat because it brung all of the cs script kiddies and cheaters.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This just shows how little you know about this topic. The "cs script kiddies" were around ever since season 1 of CAL.
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combat is for noobs, and i can back this up.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds great - let's see what you've got
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most times i play a co map when i get bored i rack up a score of like 70 - 3... and usually the noobs call you a hacker because they got killed so many times while being cloaked. and when you tell them that cloaking isnt 100% invisibility<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's some solid evidence you've got there. It's gonna be hard to agrue against that.
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before combat even existed, playing on any ns server was a good experience. before 3.0 came out i dont remember a single cheater in ns, but that has changed since the new game mode was added.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well then your memory is about as accurate as your opinions and 'proof'
*edit*
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As far as im concerend something that splits the community this badly should not exist and since NS was here first CO should die<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if you and friends didnt come on the fourms and complain every 30 seconds about CO, then the community would not be divided? The only thing that needs to be weeded out of the community are people like you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well said there matey <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
WE CAN'T BE ASSED TO LEAVE AND FIND A NEW SERVER PLAYING THE GAME MODE WE LIKE WHEN SOMEONE VOTEMAPS CO IN! GOD FORBID!
CLEARLY CO SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE GAME, DISSAPOINTING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, SO I NO LONGER HAVE TO BE MINORLY INCONVINANCED FROM TIME TO TIME ANY MORE!
Your personal attacks only Affirm my believe that co_ has only attracted a cs like community.
and state your all idiots, because your attempting to argue over something thats PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
EXAMPLE: If you like a soft drink, "cola", and Im drinking something like "notcola", you wouldnt get up from your table and start screaming "OMG YOU DRINK NUBCOLA SUYF AND GET OUT OF MY RESTAURANT YOU RUINED EATING! I QUIT UNTIL THE NEXT RELEASE **** **** WHINE WHINE!"
Would you?
If your answer to that question is yes, Then I think you should just stay away from anything that even CONSIST of the IDEA of multiple people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is irrelevant, if co and ns were on different servers you argument might apply. This is more like pepsi trying to get more drinkers so there trying to make pepsi taste like coke. Then all the hardcore pepsi fans get upset by this rancid new coke tasting pepsi and all the anoying drinkers it brought over.
Were only trying to get our pepsi to taste like pepsi. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well if you want pepsi, go to a place that sells pepsi. It's simple. If you don't want to play CO goto to a NS only server. Can't find one? There are plenty of them everytime i log into steam.
You are trying to force your opinions on everyone else.
You are crying beacause you want to feel 'special' and you think belonging to a certain 'clique' makes you feel that way.
I bet you people who are anti co are the kinda guys who listen to bands and when they have a hit single you cry "OMGZ THEY SOLD OUT. I WAS INTO THEM WHEN THEY WAS UNDERGROUND"
Grow up. For those of you who say that co brought along the scripting cheaters i suggest you speak to the vets and clanners who have been playing since day 1. They will tell you THEY have been scripting from day 1. It's gaming, it's the half-life engine, any game that comes out will have scripters playing from the start.
I love the community. I started playing NS before CO came out. As a result i was too scared to learn to lerk, too scared to learn to fade, too scared to learn to onos, because of getting slaughtered by my teammates for wasting res when i died within 2 secs to a la lmg. CO gave me the opportunity to learn how to play as these lifeforms. I'm still not very good, but i play as them in CO and am getting better.
Now i use them in NS.
CO is important to the growth and development of NS. It's people like you who want NS to remain a small cliquey enviroment. "OMGZ THEY SOLD OUT. PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME NOW"
Listen to yourselves and come back when you have experienced life the world and the universe, and maybe you've got out of nappies.
I am a 'Mature' gamer. I listen to all your kiddie bollox and it saddens me. Life is about experience, growth and change. Adapt, learn, grow up - Natural selection - do what it takes to survive.
Oh and please if you want to be part of a clique, i just started playing a beta for a new source mod, currently there is one map only for it. Research, dig it out, play it. Then you can cry when they make a second map and more people start playing "OMGZ THEY MADE A SECOND MAP. I WAS INTO THIS BEFORE THEY SOLD OUT"
But to be fair, if CO had never come along what would you be moaning about.....
"OMGZ THEY REMADE BAST. THIS SUXORZ" - I suppose you guys use this, or maybe
"OMGZ NS SUX NOW. IT HAS LOST THE ATMOSPHERE> THE OLD DAYS WAS THE B3ST"
or maybe
"OMGZ THESE NOOBS. COME IN HERE AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY"
People like you will whinge and whine at anything. Your particular target today is CO.
I will suggest a compromise -
DEVS READ THIS THREAD AND MAKE A NOTE OF EVERYONE'S NAME IN THE THREAD THAT MOAN AT CO, THEN REMOVE CO. IF THEY MOAN ABOUT ANYTHING IN NS YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE JUST SERIAL MOANERS, AND ONCE THEY HAVE ALL MOANED ABOUT ONE OF THE ABOVE THINGS YOU WILL HAVE BEEN VINDICATED AND CAN REINSTATE CO.
and i can safely say CO would be back in within a month.
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Nothing like a saturday morning rant while at work!!
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Unfortunatly, it isn't quite that simply.
Personal dislike for CO is one thing. I make it a point to avoid CO games when possible, and I know one of the admins on my server will choose to sit in the readyroom and do nothing during a CO map rather than play in hopes of making a change to NS. Anyone can avoid CO if they want to.
The issue is the effect that it's having on the overall community. Combat is teaching players the *wrong* type of gameplay for NS, and this is as a result undermining the gameplay of NS maps. We people who dislike CO and try to avoid it still feel the effects of it, despite our best efforts.
Combat is, obviously, a very different style of gameplay than NS. It places a heavy emphasis on direct assaults and individual skill. Players will play combat with the hopes of "getting to the top of the chart", no matter the cost. I *always* see combat skulks darting at marines directly, or assault lerks pancaking in the marine start.
NS, however, focuses on teamwork and patience. For an alien to be most successful they must attempt to ambush the marine or surpise them, not charge blindly at them. Marines must learn to stick together and help one another, rather than ramboing off alone as soon as they spawn. Aliens also need to be aware that there are more important things in the game than evolving to the highest lifeform.
Remember back in 1.04 when you actually had to look at the ceiling when walking into a room, in case a skulk was waiting there? I never have to do that now with people who started playing after combat came out; they simply charge right at me. And then they yell at me when I kill them four times in a row, because they don't understand how different a game CO and NS are. This then turns them away from NS to go back to CO.
In sum, the addition of CO has degraded the quality of NS games, and this is the reason I despise it.
-Brackhar
I'm playing with berger on the CS:S Goon server a lot now!
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Sorry, I'm prone to use sarcastic outbreaks against idiocy, bad habit.
Let me rephrase my points properly. You are wrong. There is no room for your opinion because it is simply wrong. You make no effort to be right, and thus remain wrong. Your points remain unbacked and you willfully ignore fact in favor of character assassinations against the poeple who disagree with you, which doesn't in of itself make you wrong, but you are still wrong. You are confused as to reality and all the things you are saying are not right... they are all wrong. You may be right on other subjects but on this subject you are entirely wrong.
People are having fun playing the game and there is absolutly nothing wrong with it. It has not attracted a more "CS like comunity" as all the people who are flaming you here have been around at least a full year longer then you have, and the old vets have been around alot longer then us (lets just say that thier reputation isn't that great either) so I'm sorry to inform you your perception of the NS comunity is, quite simply, highly delusional. Either way, I see far more frustratingly ignorant co haters around these forums then I see co exclusive nubs. I have no clue where you guys even picked up the idea that co hate was apropriate or cool, the vast majority of you have never played more then a few rounds, yet you still act as if you are experts on the issue. Game developers do not destroy working game content because small groups of thier comunity dislike them. It is apropriate to ask for changes, but it is not apropriate to ask for CO to go away, period.
If you dislike co you are invited to stay the hell away from it. As I quite adequately stated before through my apparently misread sarcasm, it is not difficult to find NS only servers, or to change servers when they decide to play co mode for a while. For now however, why don't you guys stop spamming all the co idea threads, and stop propagating this rediculous hate material.
For the life of me I can't help but see co hate as just another forum of good old classic NS elitism, but this time it is poor players being elitist against new players rather then good players being elitist agaisnt poor players. I don't understand how the NS comunity became so elitist, but it really never was cool and it really still isn't.