<!--QuoteBegin--Acrobad+Nov 21 2002, 11:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Acrobad @ Nov 21 2002, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NS didn't come with a banner saying "mod me however you feel like it".
Hell, with all these advantages the marines better win. This "plugin" favours the marines, obviously. I don't know why but most people seem to fall for marines, and I guess this is a bad sign.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Neather did TFC/CS/DOD/FLF or anyother mod.
and ONE advantage "health" w0w the rest dont mean **obscenity**!
Actuall I think the nightvision looks kool as **obscenity**.I think that should be added to NS, but like special items and weapons, it should cost resources.
Personally, I don't think anyone should be making mods that change the way a game like NS is played. NS was designed a certain way by it's creators and editing that is stepping on their toes.
Yes, you can argue "it's up to the server administrator to turn on the modifications" but you're still providing the means for someone to drastically change the way a game flows. Now we'll have 2 or 3 different types of NS servers out there (maybe more) and little flame wars will begin with one side saying "it's only balanced with the health-dispenser!" and the other side rooting for classic NS. Separtism is not what a community needs. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
This thread may already be too long, but I feel that there is nothing wrong with the changes that Voogru has made. As I've mentioned in previous posts, I don't feel that NS (unmodified) is really geared towards the public servers. Some exceptions apply of course, but in general, public servers can't find the quality of teamwork that is needed to make successful and competetive competetion. This being said, if someone wants to make modifications to the standard game that allow stylistic playing changes, by all means, do it. It's not like actual league matches will allow any modifications. And for those who continue to say that these things will cause people to quit? Your paranoia is absolutely incredible and unwarranted. Half-life and the mod community is built around amateur code changes, model manipulation, and administrator adaption. It's the lifeblood of the mod world, and no new player is going to be run off immediately by a floating health pack, or the ability to get night vision. And my last note before I go. There is not a time limit to getting your post written! No deadline, and no nipping skulk coming to bite your knees. Take your time and write a post that is understandable! If half of your words are incomprehensible, your post will be a waste of your time and ours. tsabrak
Also I frequently use Disco Mode, why don't you go to admin mod forums and start flaming them, because NS didn't put glow colors or disco mode, or timebomb in NS, but their code allows it.
If a team is loosing, I make someone on the loosing team a time bomb to give them a chance to have a little fun and do a little damage,
I don't know about you, But I do -NOT- enjoy the 15-20 minutes it takes to finish up a game, when there is clearly a victor.
IE. Humans have sieged two hives and the aliens are still hanging on...
And as far as you ppl saying humans are weak, guess what, Humans OWN the aliens.
When I command, I NEVER loose you know why ??
if someone doesn't listen to my waypoints, and dosen't do what I -the commander- tell them to do.
I kick them off my server, 2 seconds later someone else joins and follow my commands.
The Humans are all about doing what the commander tells them to do.
I have hopped in the command seat before when Humans had 2 nodes, and no wep or proto lab, and the aliens have had onos, and have WON THE GAME inside an hour, here again, because I don't let people disobey me as commander, there are no "rambo"s on my server.
The aliens are grossley overpowered, I mean they 2 units with ranged weapons. The lerk is almost impossible to kill if someone with half skill is using it. It can take an armory, turret fact or any number of things out very easily.
Acid bomb does FORTY damage and it's SPLASH damage. I mean FFS you are whining about a med pack on an armory, as an alien I LOVE that feature, because when I go to a human outpost, all the newbie marines are all cluster fsking the armory and I shoot one acid bomb and all their humping the armory is for naught. 2 more and one marine dies. had that marine NOT had access to that free health, he would have been hiding in the corner waiting for health, and I would not have known he was there.
Anyway, like I said I use timebomb all the time on my server and when ppl complain about it, guess what I don't give them the choice to put up with it or play I /admin_ban end of story
nobody is going to come on -my- server and tell me what I can or cannot do.
Try going up to someone in real life and telling them they can't do whatever it is they are doing, You just better be ready to A) run or B) kick their a$$
I totally support anything that involves using your imagination/skill to better improve things or just to experiment, as long as it doesn't effect my expierence unless I choose it too. I think that what he has done is fine as long as the developers have no problem with it, as long as he keeps it on his own server. The moment I start wondering into servers with the default name because it looks like I'll have a good ping and then see the Onos model changed into a cow, lasers beaming off every weapon, and the skulks making the CS chicken noises, then I believe it will be time to weep.
<!--QuoteBegin--Kilmster+Nov 21 2002, 01:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kilmster @ Nov 21 2002, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As I said before, this is a mod used on a pub server; the changes will never be accepted in CAL or CPL unless they are implimented into the regular mod. It has been said numerous times that N-S is a clan-oriented game, so it isn't going to effect most users at higher levels of play.
Aside from which, everyone makes these suggestions; why don't you just consider that voogru is doing public playtesting to see if any of them would work?
Personally, I think they are unnecessary and undesirable changes; but its up to voogru if he wants to change things in his plugin. He is not altering the code whatsoever, so stop implying that he is.
PS: Stop beating a dead horse, this discussion is getting old, and everything has been said 100x over.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We are considering running Clan Matches on the ORIGINALL version of NS, off our OC48. Voo and I chatted about that just 2 days ago. Your message was great. Ty for your comments. On a public server, it's almost mahem. All the n00bs run around like banchieves. If they played as a team, like game was intented; you guys would have valid beef.
It's the pork I have trouble with. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinions. If you consider what voogru added, I think you would agree it's appropriate.
As for clan matches, we have server space to hold them. I'm interested in any input you can give Voogru and I about it.
I bet half the people posting on this thread haven't even played on the server and just post their biased opinions as soon as they read anything. I personally enjoy this server as much as if not more than other servers. The health is not unbalancing in my opinion because A-it only heals 2 health per cycle..takes a shitload of time to fully heal...B-doesn't heal armor naturally so you'll still die soon.
I think easier health access for marines is essential to a marine team winning...this can be seen in particular when a marine team gets a lot of people with ha/welders....they stay alive.
is it unbalanced that HA people can weld each other quickly and stay alive that much longer? no, sure you have to pay for welder but you also have to pay for the armory.
I especially like how some of you think this and nightvision (which most people won't use because they don't know how to bind properly) RUIN NS I HATE YOU DIE DIE DIE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT ON YOUR SERVER THAT YOU MAINTAIN AND PAY FOR AND GRACIOUSLY LET PEOPLE PLAY ON!!! I KEEL YOU.
I wish people cared about their rights in real life, world peace, helping the less fortunate, etc as much as they care about health coming from the armory.
Psychos. Play the game, if you don't like the server-leave. Otherwise you are an idiot-period.
Ive played on voogrus server lots of times, and there is a great balance between aleins and marines. It seems about half the time marines win, the other half aleins win, if you keep saying teams are unbalanced go play on the **obscenity** server for a while. If you actually played on the server you would realize this is a harmless addon that some people think is a great addition, as many people have said if you dont like it shut the hell up and go play on a different server.
This has turned into a giant one-sided flame war, and it's basically the people stating the same arguments over and over again, I mean how many times do you really have to say "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE STUPID IDIOT FEWL!" We get the point, now let's hope the topic dies the quick death it deserves.
I like the sound of this plugin. Good for you Voogru.
NS is a substantial mod, but even now a great many things didn't make it into version 1, because Flayra didn't have time to do everything. I'd like to see Voogru and Flayra working together on the NS source, rather than leave Voogru only being able to do half a job using plugins. I have total confience in Flayra's ability to make NS succeed, but two heads are better than one.
I'm gonna get so much hassle for this, I can feel it.
<!--QuoteBegin--jackets+Nov 21 2002, 03:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jackets @ Nov 21 2002, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->At the core of these reactions is the fear that if this addon is released, most servers will use it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe that's a good thing. If they like addon, that is.
Look, it's very simple, let anyone mod whatever they want <b>so long as servers running their mods are on a separate list from those running pure NS.</b> That's simple courtesy, you don't see NS servers popping up for HL players. They don't want to play the mod, and don't have to put up with their server list being clogged with modded servers. Neither should we.
I absolutely hated that about Tribes 1, there was no way to know if they were running a mod unless you actually joined the game and discovered that it was the "Tr1l33$1337Kewl" mod with the invisible sniper lasers that could one-hit kill anyone and the heavy armor that was hauling nukes around. They fixed that for Tribes 2, thank God, because the modders were once again merrily destroying the teamplay aspects by powering up the individuals.
Just wanted to say great plug in! i really love your nightvision! it completely removes all shadows! wow! that doesent ruin the whole "spooky" aspect of being a marine at all! wow! now that health packs are dished out by the dispensers, no need for Teamplay, or even a commander! wow! your so smart! with these additions, no actaul thought is needed! wow! now i can just go "rambo" style and play this mod JUST like TFC! wow! your so **obscenity** brilliant!
oh wait...NO. i was being sarcastic...were you drunk when you thought these ideas up? or are you just an idiot 24-7?
<!--QuoteBegin--supernorn2000+Nov 21 2002, 05:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (supernorn2000 @ Nov 21 2002, 05:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just wanted to say great plug in! i really love your nightvision! it completely removes all shadows! wow! that doesent ruin the whole "spooky" aspect of being a marine at all! wow! now that health packs are dished out by the dispensers, no need for Teamplay, or even a commander! wow! your so smart! with these additions, no actaul thought is needed! wow! now i can just go "rambo" style and play this mod JUST like TFC! wow! your so **obscenity** brilliant!
oh wait...NO. i was being sarcastic...were you drunk when you thought these ideas up? or are you just an idiot 24-7?
if you enjoy this plug in...try TFC...all you have to do is shoot blindly at anything that moves!...no thought needed! right up your street.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> remember what I said earlier about wisdom, and inteligence?
You might be sitting there thinking about how smart you are. And I'm sure you probally are.
You should be sitting there thinking about how WISE you are instead.
I certainly have seen lots of foolish comments today.
me <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> you
king i just one question, u accuse people on other public serves to run around like head less chickens, well what exactly do the changes on your particulair server do in order to propagate any kind of team work, except for group humping of the armoury ?
and yes i was thinking how smart i was. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I can personally say that I really dislike "metamods", including things like Admin Mod and plugins that change the way a mod is played...MegaTF was the death of the "original" Team Fortress (...and destroyed the relationship the TF team had with Quake coders...) and NeoTF seems to be doing the same thing to TFC, so to see a modification like this popping up for NS gives me the willies.
On the other hand, if voogru wants to keep his code on his own server and not hand it out to anyone, more power to him; I'll personally choose not to play there, but since he runs the server, he can bloody well run whatever he wants behind-the-scenes. As long as every third server I see doesn't have "MegaNS" or something in the name, I'll be happy.
The only courtesy I would ask is to denote the use of such a mod in the Server name so I would know before I click. But in reality, we as players arent <i>owed</i> anything. From what I understand, in the US a server is legally required to inform players if thier mods scan your system for cheats or otherwise infringe on your privacy...other than that, a server doesnt need to tell you if its running anything. I look foreward to seeing what this mod has to offer. Im sure the NS team is proud to have a decent sized following for thier mod and proud of the community involvement, let alone a community with such talent. AFAIK the dev team designed this game with community add ons in mind. Even these, the official forums were designed so the community could share and showcase thier work. Enjoy the game and shut up.
And to all these people giving the dev team altimatumns(sp?) Whining that if the team doesnt do such and such to make you stop whining you will quit playing...just leave. I for one dont want you here. Why on earth would you put yourself through such undue stress? If the possibilty of stumbling onto a server running this mod (or whatever reasons) puts that much pressure on your abilty to have fun then, by all means stop playing before it happens. Or see a shrink.
Note that a server that says "Scanning your system for cheats" isn't "scanning" anything...it's performing several hundred "exec" commands in rapid succession and if it receives a positive to any of them, it calls you a cheater and boots you.
--- anyway, better not post with 3 words... yes i agree with all the above statements, blah blah blah
Voogru..promise us...the community, that you will keep your plug in for your own server. If its distributed, then it could ruin NS. If its on one of the 600 servers that you said earlier, fine so be it. (even if your ideas are retarded in everyway....)
can we close this topic now? its sorta dragging on.....
My vote goes with the bunch of people saying that it's fine as long as it's in the server name somewhere. I'd say just putting "(modded)" at the end of the server name would be enough -- just so I find out BEFORE joining. And honestly, I kinda like some of the mods, but they do have the tendancy of messing up games, because they're fairly untested, and thus are really susceptible to unbalancing the game. The if-you-don't-like-it-leave attitude is perfectly fine, though -- your server, your rules, and I thank all of those mod-makers for tyring to inject something new into the game (albeit an already new game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
<!--QuoteBegin--Catgirl+Nov 21 2002, 05:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Catgirl @ Nov 21 2002, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Note that a server that says "Scanning your system for cheats" isn't "scanning" anything...it's performing several hundred "exec" commands in rapid succession and if it receives a positive to any of them, it calls you a cheater and boots you.
It really doesn't "scan" anything, as there's no ability for the server to do that from within Half-Life.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The old CSGaurd was able to scan the entire partition that half-life was on, using the exec command.
Valve took this out in 1.1.1.0 or 1.1.0.9 i forget.
I fail to see the justification for the insults thrown at this guy...
The modificatons are SERVER SIDE... he is not bloody hacking your computer and hooking your client dll for gods sake, so he is not 'ruining the game' like I've seen said so many times... just leave the server and join another if you don't like it!
The fact his, he has developed something that 99.5% of people on this entire forum couldn't possibly write, so shutup insulting him, get on your knees and bow!
Yes, because there's no reason a server should need to have access to the names of your files on your drive, period. It was silly that it was in there in the first place.
Even if it did "scan" the whole partition, again, it was just sifting for known filenames more than anything. It couldn't actually do anything to the files, or to your copy of Half-Life, besides "unbind all"ing you.
Speaking of that...there's no reason the bloody server should be able to force you to unbind your keys either. But then, I've just been on the receiving end of too many idiots who've downloaded Admin Mod and suddenly thought they were granted the God-given-right to abuse people because they felt like it.
<!--QuoteBegin--voogru+Nov 21 2002, 05:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Nov 21 2002, 05:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The old CSGaurd was able to scan the entire partition that half-life was on, using the exec command.
Valve took this out in 1.1.1.0 or 1.1.0.9 i forget.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> pfft CS...blah blah...boooring...sooo dated....
its time to EVOLVE! long live NATURAL SELECTION! yay!
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NS didn't come with a banner saying "mod me however you feel like it".
Hell, with all these advantages the marines better win. This "plugin" favours the marines, obviously. I don't know why but most people seem to fall for marines, and I guess this is a bad sign.
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Neather did TFC/CS/DOD/FLF or anyother mod.
and ONE advantage "health" w0w
the rest dont mean **obscenity**!
Yes, you can argue "it's up to the server administrator to turn on the modifications" but you're still providing the means for someone to drastically change the way a game flows. Now we'll have 2 or 3 different types of NS servers out there (maybe more) and little flame wars will begin with one side saying "it's only balanced with the health-dispenser!" and the other side rooting for classic NS. Separtism is not what a community needs. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
And for those who continue to say that these things will cause people to quit? Your paranoia is absolutely incredible and unwarranted. Half-life and the mod community is built around amateur code changes, model manipulation, and administrator adaption. It's the lifeblood of the mod world, and no new player is going to be run off immediately by a floating health pack, or the ability to get night vision.
And my last note before I go. There is not a time limit to getting your post written! No deadline, and no nipping skulk coming to bite your knees. Take your time and write a post that is understandable! If half of your words are incomprehensible, your post will be a waste of your time and ours.
tsabrak
Currently I'm running AdminMod with NS.
And guess what, I put the timebomb plugin on it.
Also I frequently use Disco Mode, why don't you go to admin mod forums
and start flaming them, because NS didn't put glow colors or disco mode, or timebomb in NS, but their code allows it.
If a team is loosing, I make someone on the loosing team a time bomb to give them a chance to have a little fun and do a little damage,
I don't know about you, But I do -NOT- enjoy the 15-20 minutes it takes to finish up a game, when there is clearly a victor.
IE. Humans have sieged two hives and the aliens are still hanging on...
And as far as you ppl saying humans are weak, guess what, Humans OWN the aliens.
When I command, I NEVER loose you know why ??
if someone doesn't listen to my waypoints, and dosen't do what I -the commander- tell them to do.
I kick them off my server, 2 seconds later someone else joins and follow my commands.
The Humans are all about doing what the commander tells them to do.
I have hopped in the command seat before when Humans had 2 nodes, and no wep or proto lab, and the aliens have had onos, and have WON THE GAME inside an hour, here again, because I don't let people disobey me as commander, there are no "rambo"s on my server.
The aliens are grossley overpowered,
I mean they 2 units with ranged weapons. The lerk is almost impossible to kill if someone with half skill is using it. It can take an armory, turret fact or any number of things out very easily.
Acid bomb does FORTY damage and it's SPLASH damage.
I mean FFS you are whining about a med pack on an armory, as an alien I LOVE that feature, because when I go to a human outpost, all the newbie marines are all cluster fsking the armory and I shoot one acid bomb and all their humping the armory is for naught. 2 more and one marine dies. had that marine NOT had access to that free health, he would have been hiding in the corner waiting for health, and I would not have known he was there.
Anyway, like I said I use timebomb all the time on my server and when ppl complain about it, guess what
I don't give them the choice to put up with it or play I
/admin_ban end of story
nobody is going to come on -my- server and tell me what I can or cannot do.
Try going up to someone in real life and telling them they can't do whatever it is they are doing, You just better be ready to A) run or B) kick their a$$
I totally support anything that involves using your imagination/skill to better improve things or just to experiment, as long as it doesn't effect my expierence unless I choose it too. I think that what he has done is fine as long as the developers have no problem with it, as long as he keeps it on his own server. The moment I start wondering into servers with the default name because it looks like I'll have a good ping and then see the Onos model changed into a cow, lasers beaming off every weapon, and the skulks making the CS chicken noises, then I believe it will be time to weep.
Aside from which, everyone makes these suggestions; why don't you just consider that voogru is doing public playtesting to see if any of them would work?
Personally, I think they are unnecessary and undesirable changes; but its up to voogru if he wants to change things in his plugin. He is not altering the code whatsoever, so stop implying that he is.
PS: Stop beating a dead horse, this discussion is getting old, and everything has been said 100x over.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We are considering running Clan Matches on the ORIGINALL version of NS, off our OC48. Voo and I chatted about that just 2 days ago. Your message was great. Ty for your comments. On a public server, it's almost mahem. All the n00bs run around like banchieves. If they played as a team, like game was intented; you guys would have valid beef.
It's the pork I have trouble with. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinions. If you consider what voogru added, I think you would agree it's appropriate.
As for clan matches, we have server space to hold them. I'm interested in any input you can give Voogru and I about it.
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I think easier health access for marines is essential to a marine team winning...this can be seen in particular when a marine team gets a lot of people with ha/welders....they stay alive.
is it unbalanced that HA people can weld each other quickly and stay alive that much longer? no, sure you have to pay for welder but you also have to pay for the armory.
I especially like how some of you think this and nightvision (which most people won't use because they don't know how to bind properly) RUIN NS I HATE YOU DIE DIE DIE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT ON YOUR SERVER THAT YOU MAINTAIN AND PAY FOR AND GRACIOUSLY LET PEOPLE PLAY ON!!! I KEEL YOU.
I wish people cared about their rights in real life, world peace, helping the less fortunate, etc as much as they care about health coming from the armory.
Psychos. Play the game, if you don't like the server-leave. Otherwise you are an idiot-period.
My 3.5 cents,
Smaff
NS is a substantial mod, but even now a great many things didn't make it into version 1, because Flayra didn't have time to do everything. I'd like to see Voogru and Flayra working together on the NS source, rather than leave Voogru only being able to do half a job using plugins. I have total confience in Flayra's ability to make NS succeed, but two heads are better than one.
I'm gonna get so much hassle for this, I can feel it.
Maybe that's a good thing. If they like addon, that is.
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I absolutely hated that about Tribes 1, there was no way to know if they were running a mod unless you actually joined the game and discovered that it was the "Tr1l33$1337Kewl" mod with the invisible sniper lasers that could one-hit kill anyone and the heavy armor that was hauling nukes around. They fixed that for Tribes 2, thank God, because the modders were once again merrily destroying the teamplay aspects by powering up the individuals.
i really love your nightvision! it completely removes all shadows! wow! that doesent ruin the whole "spooky" aspect of being a marine at all!
wow! now that health packs are dished out by the dispensers, no need for Teamplay, or even a commander! wow! your so smart!
with these additions, no actaul thought is needed! wow! now i can just go "rambo" style and play this mod JUST like TFC!
wow! your so **obscenity** brilliant!
oh wait...NO. i was being sarcastic...were you drunk when you thought these ideas up?
or are you just an idiot 24-7?
normal players>> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <<you
if you enjoy this plug in...try TFC...all you have to do is shoot blindly at anything that moves!...no thought needed!
right up your street.
i really love your nightvision! it completely removes all shadows! wow! that doesent ruin the whole "spooky" aspect of being a marine at all!
wow! now that health packs are dished out by the dispensers, no need for Teamplay, or even a commander! wow! your so smart!
with these additions, no actaul thought is needed! wow! now i can just go "rambo" style and play this mod JUST like TFC!
wow! your so **obscenity** brilliant!
oh wait...NO. i was being sarcastic...were you drunk when you thought these ideas up?
or are you just an idiot 24-7?
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if you enjoy this plug in...try TFC...all you have to do is shoot blindly at anything that moves!...no thought needed!
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remember what I said earlier about wisdom, and inteligence?
You might be sitting there thinking about how smart you are. And I'm sure you probally are.
You should be sitting there thinking about how WISE you are instead.
I certainly have seen lots of foolish comments today.
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ive just seen one.
YOURS.
what are you? a goddam monk? preaching on about WISDOM?
try speaking english next time.
it helps.
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and yes i was thinking how smart i was. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
On the other hand, if voogru wants to keep his code on his own server and not hand it out to anyone, more power to him; I'll personally choose not to play there, but since he runs the server, he can bloody well run whatever he wants behind-the-scenes. As long as every third server I see doesn't have "MegaNS" or something in the name, I'll be happy.
And to all these people giving the dev team altimatumns(sp?) Whining that if the team doesnt do such and such to make you stop whining you will quit playing...just leave. I for one dont want you here. Why on earth would you put yourself through such undue stress? If the possibilty of stumbling onto a server running this mod (or whatever reasons) puts that much pressure on your abilty to have fun then, by all means stop playing before it happens. Or see a shrink.
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It really doesn't "scan" anything, as there's no ability for the server to do that from within Half-Life.
lol
very funny
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anyway, better not post with 3 words...
yes i agree with all the above statements, blah blah blah
Voogru..promise us...the community, that you will keep your plug in for your own server.
If its distributed, then it could ruin NS. If its on one of the 600 servers that you said earlier, fine so be it.
(even if your ideas are retarded in everyway....)
can we close this topic now? its sorta dragging on.....
And honestly, I kinda like some of the mods, but they do have the tendancy of messing up games, because they're fairly untested, and thus are really susceptible to unbalancing the game. The if-you-don't-like-it-leave attitude is perfectly fine, though -- your server, your rules, and I thank all of those mod-makers for tyring to inject something new into the game (albeit an already new game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
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It really doesn't "scan" anything, as there's no ability for the server to do that from within Half-Life.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The old CSGaurd was able to scan the entire partition that half-life was on, using the exec command.
Valve took this out in 1.1.1.0 or 1.1.0.9 i forget.
The modificatons are SERVER SIDE... he is not bloody hacking your computer and hooking your client dll for gods sake, so he is not 'ruining the game' like I've seen said so many times... just leave the server and join another if you don't like it!
The fact his, he has developed something that 99.5% of people on this entire forum couldn't possibly write, so shutup insulting him, get on your knees and bow!
Even if it did "scan" the whole partition, again, it was just sifting for known filenames more than anything. It couldn't actually do anything to the files, or to your copy of Half-Life, besides "unbind all"ing you.
Speaking of that...there's no reason the bloody server should be able to force you to unbind your keys either. But then, I've just been on the receiving end of too many idiots who've downloaded Admin Mod and suddenly thought they were granted the God-given-right to abuse people because they felt like it.
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pfft CS...blah blah...boooring...sooo dated....
its time to EVOLVE! long live NATURAL SELECTION!
yay!
LONG LIVE THE NS COMMUNITY!
yay!
LONG LIVE THE PLUG INS!
ya..erm..*cough*...
I see that happening.