<!--QuoteBegin-DrSuredeath+Jun 16 2005, 11:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DrSuredeath @ Jun 16 2005, 11:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Read the damn thing before posting.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The method of incapacitation by the TASER is the least violent means possible for ending dangerous situations. In fact, a study was conducted on patients admitted to the Emergency Department of the King/Drew Medical Center in Los Angeles, who had been shot with a TASER between July 1980 and December 1985. ... Furthermore, the study indicated the TASER did not cause conscious pain.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Do you think a 1980 taser works the same way as a 2005 taser? Do you think junkies in the prison hospital are going to have a different pain tolerance than black-woman-speeding-on-a-cell-phone (all the information i have on the victim of the thread)?
Does everyone have the same pain tolerance? Perhaps she wasn't 'milking it' as suggested, and really simply hasnt been injured in a few years (due perhaps to a civilized life).
Perhaps she was faking and deserved it entirely, but i STILL dont want the precedent set that police get to zap anyone they dont agree with. Her family and friends are no longer going to sit still when an officer comes walking up. They are going to do something like run away or fight back.
Some of you people fail to realize that the police didn't know if she had a weapon or not. The police don't know this person, so how would they know she could have a weapon in the car and use it. Also, all the other alternatives seem more physically painful. The police could have used a baton, but that would cause more pain and a possibility of physically damage. The police could have used pepper spray, and that I would probably say would be more painful than a few seconds of a tazer since it burns the eyes and other openings areas in the face. Also, this lasts a lot longer than a few seconds. Physical force would have been worse also since that too can cause bruises, scars, and maybe even broken bones, which is far worse than being tazered for a few seconds. You could say that she might not have resisted if the police used physical force, but her tone of voice seemed like she was rebellious, so she probably would have flailed around a bit, which could cause harm for both the police officers and the lady. Some of you guys overestimate a tazer as a extremely painful weapon, but if you actually watched other videos that show the use of the tazer, most people just go down in one second and they don't move bounce around, nor scream loudly.
<!--QuoteBegin-GundamCL+Jun 16 2005, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GundamCL @ Jun 16 2005, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Some of you people fail to realize that the police didn't know if she had a weapon or not. The police don't know this person, so how would they know she could have a weapon in the car and use it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The same can be said of anyone on the street not wearing spandex.
Perhaps it would make the officers feel better about themselves if they zapped everyone they passed on the sidewalk for potentially concealing things in their pockets!
Im sorry but being asked to exit the vehicle multiple times is alot different than licking boot. And Dubb I am socially conscience, say they do have to use force to remove her, do they really risk picking her up without subduing her somehow? What if she snaps and shanks one of them as he tries to lift her?
Thats how it should work Ask one, she denies, ask again threatening the use of incapacitation, she dosen't comply, subdue and arrest, whats so hard about listening to what the officer is saying? What the hell is so offensive and evil and vile about "Ma'am please exit the vehicle"
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The method of incapacitation by the TASER is the least violent means possible for ending dangerous situations. In fact, a study was conducted on patients admitted to the Emergency Department of the King/Drew Medical Center in Los Angeles, who had been shot with a TASER between July 1980 and December 1985. ... Furthermore, the study indicated the TASER did not cause conscious pain.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Do you think a 1980 taser works the same way as a 2005 taser? Do you think junkies in the prison hospital are going to have a different pain tolerance than black-woman-speeding-on-a-cell-phone (all the information i have on the victim of the thread)?
Does everyone have the same pain tolerance? Perhaps she wasn't 'milking it' as suggested, and really simply hasnt been injured in a few years (due perhaps to a civilized life).
Perhaps she was faking and deserved it entirely, but i STILL dont want the precedent set that police get to zap anyone they dont agree with. Her family and friends are no longer going to sit still when an officer comes walking up. They are going to do something like run away or fight back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Huh?
If anything, technology should make it better. And the main reason she got tazed is because she's just an overreacting ****.
Her attitude was not appropriate for an officer, she disregarded orders, she argued with an officer about the reason of her arrest, and she was warned before being tazed. They just had to act some way or the other, because she wouldn't cooperate. There's nothing wrong with their actions in my opinion.
So let's see: -She was speeding 15 mph over the speed limit. -Her license was suspended (meaning she shouldn't be even driving) -She accused the officer for wrong motive of action and pretended knowing better, even if she was driving without a valid licence -She didn't obey the standard procedure needed for everything to go smoothly. -She continued disregarding and disrespecting the officer regardless of the explicit orders and the weapon pointed at her.
She was faulty and she didn't react the way she had to.
That's quite a lot more than "anyone on the street not wearing spandex."
Nothing is evil or vile about the cop's statement. She made a stupid mistake. But this particular mistake wasn't worth the kneejerk reaction and certainly was not worth a taser and even more certainly was not worth two.
If you really believe this skeletal, young woman was strong enough to overpower two big guys, you don't know the first thing about how to rape people >:(
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I agree with an earlier post: What <b>should</b> they have done, if not use the taser? We've ruled out physically forcing her out of the car because that's likely to result in broken bones, or at least a cut or something (which is more than a taser leaves). They can't beat her, they can't pepper spray her etc...
So it comes down to two options:
Tase her. Which is what happens. You only have to watch the video to see how effective it was.
Wait for her to finish her phone call and get out, which makes a mockery of the entire police force. What's next, waiting for gunmen to run out of ammunition shooting at your squad before you return fire? What? That's taking it to the extreme? Well, so is comparing a lawful command (get out of the car) to something stupid (lick my boot).
<!--QuoteBegin-Zel+Jun 16 2005, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Jun 16 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, the police officer used the invented verb "Tase" and i think theres a high chance that this woman wouldnt know what that means until he pointed it at her. She told her friend it was a gun, and may have thought it was a regular pistol. The item is a Tazer, and a lot of people havent heard of them, let alone the new verb form Tase. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> He was pointing it right at her while warning her <i>six</i> times to get out of the car. Even if you are a retard, if the officer is pointing a weapon at you. You dont need to know exactly what it is to know that it would be a good idea to get out of the flipping car.
The thing is that they're not supposed to do anything like attacking her. They can't go in the car and pull her out, they can't slap her with their (quite dangerous) stick, and as it has been said, when someone is uncooperative, you don't know what to expect. Is she a skeletal, young woman, or a woman with a weapon?
<!--QuoteBegin-RustySpoon+Jun 16 2005, 07:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RustySpoon @ Jun 16 2005, 07:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jun 16 2005, 06:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jun 16 2005, 06:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why would you TASER a WOMAN armed with a CELL PHONE? Sweet Jesus is that even legal?!? Oh gee, personally I think they should have just shot her in the ear with a rubber bullet and filled her car with tear-gas. That would've learned her good, huh guys?
Perhaps Boynton's Finest should have learned some social skills at the academy, such as diplomacy, reason, etc. etc., rather than howling "PUT PHONE DOWN. I WILL TASE [whaaat? TASER is an acronym, you ****wit!] YOU NOW" like a goddamn retard ape and then doing such to a young, unarmed, and <b>utterly harmless woman</b>.
I bet y'all supported Stacey Coon and his thugs, didn't you?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wait, shut up you hippy. You're missing the point completely.
So the point is. Here it comes.
THEY TASERED A HARMLESS LADY HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!11 We all know how funny and entertaining it is watching a young woman spazz and scream after some bored cop finally found a way to play with his taser. OLOLO see now? you were wrong. It's actually QUALITY family entertainment seeing people writhing in pain!
You know, TALKING is something beyond people with gadgets that make people do what you want, and god forbid he could have waited till the woman finished her phonecall and taken her peacefully down to the station and giving her a ticket and a good old stern talking to. We all know 22 year olds are irrational beeings that can explode in your face at any time and need to be taught their place immediately with a baton/tazer/shotgun.
<img src='http://www.ipsc.org/flag/USA.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Only thing is, cops don't have half an hour to wait while making an arrest
<!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Jun 16 2005, 12:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Jun 16 2005, 12:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I agree with an earlier post: What <b>should</b> they have done, if not use the taser? We've ruled out physically forcing her out of the car because that's likely to result in broken bones, or at least a cut or something (which is more than a taser leaves). They can't beat her, they can't pepper spray her etc... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sticky, THEY PHYSICALLY FORCED HER OUT OF THE CAR ANYWAYS. They just did it after she was paralyzed. If we're going to be logical, here, she probably would not break bones from a foot and a half fall (unless she either weighs eight hundred pounds or is eighty years old). Your bones are tougher than you think, although I'm sure being thrown onto the ground without even the muscular ability to shield your face might change that. And, as the video shows, she doesn't.
<!--QuoteBegin-RustySpoon+Jun 16 2005, 09:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RustySpoon @ Jun 16 2005, 09:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 09:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jun 16 2005, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jun 16 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the cops should be the punching bag of the nation? No matter what, they cannot use force until you assault them? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Apparently it isn't. They decided to use the taser, and nobody got (mentionably) hurt. The peace was kept. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So she was infact a threat to peace? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, they could have let her talk, then when she was done she could have sped off and run over your grandmother's dog
<!--QuoteBegin-GundamCL+Jun 16 2005, 12:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GundamCL @ Jun 16 2005, 12:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You realize the police didn't know if she had a weapon on her or not... It doesn't take brute strength to shoot someone or stab them...
Zel is everyone on the street thats not wearing latex breaking the law??? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was trying to counter the argument that they didnt know if there was a weapon in the car. Of course not, and they dont know if there is a weapon on ANYONE EVER. therefore it cannot be a good reason to use higher force.
I'm arguing against police brutality for nonviolent criminals, and in this situation the woman was very much in the wrong, so its tough to argue against all of you.
If she was dangerous she had to be arrested, and if she was not dangerous she shouldve had a ticket mailed to the address registered to the car plate. A suspended liscence is not rare and doesnt make her a violent criminal.
Sometimes you just dont hear others clearly when they start shouting without having spoken first.
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
edited June 2005
half of you people have no idea or expirience of what you are talking about but its not your fault, as i jsut said....you just dont have the expirience and you do not know the law and what the law mandates and holds both acceptable and unacceptable.
The woman was pulled over initially for speeding. The officer ran a standard (you do this everytime you get pulled over) drivers license check and a check for wants and warrents on the person.
The officer did this and the woman came back as suspended. I dont know about this state, but in the state im (and lots of others) driving on a suspended liscence is an arrestable offense. She did something (or several things) really stupid perhaps driving while impaired by alcohol or something who knows, and she had her license suspended.
Now assuming this state has laws like mine, The officer can now arrest her.
The officer asked her to step out of the vehicle and we all know what happened from there. She resisted.
Now im not going to go into the entire use of force spectrum again like i did in the discussion forum.
But briefly as i said there TASERS, peppersray, and things like that can be used anywhere from after verbal commands all the way up to deadly force. No TASERS and peppersray are NOT deadly weapons. (once again people reportidly "killed by TASERS" died b/c they where so high on drugs they overdosed and died. They may have been TASERed when fighting with police but they would have died anyways. People like to bend facts. Trust me I know.)
They are not deadly weapons but they can be used anywhere up the spectrum of force continum.
The woman clearly wasnt following LAWFUL ORDERS from the officer. hense. Verbal commands are not working. She is resisting arrest at this point.
In fact if you watch the initial traffic stop section of the video you can already see what a pain in the **** this woman was.
So the officer has to remove the woman from the car to make his arrest. Now we are at an officer safety issue. The officer has not searched the vehicle past the plain view visual search he did upon coming up to the drivers side door. For all he knows this woman could have a weapon tucked down in that seat by the center console or elsewhere.
"Come now Cpl.Davis do you honostly think this woman has a gun down in the seat?"
You have no idea, there have been many, many, many documented cases, where harmless traffic stops with fully cooperative people end up with totaly seemingly copperative polite people suddnly pulling guns on police from out of nowhere.
You have to treat every person as if they could be armed.
So what are his options. The officer has to remove her from that SUV to make his arrest. What are his options now that verbal commands are not working?
Well he can grab her in an arm lock and rip her out of the vehicle to the ground onto her face.... Baton and firearm are out of the question b/c she hasnt done anything to warrent such an action.
Or he can TASER her. She gets shocked for 5 seconds (10 in her case b/c she was kept resisting) Yea she will have a severe cramp for 5 seconds and then she will be perfectly fine with no physical damage. A lot better off then getting ripped out of the car onto the pavement.
Now Im am NOT going to judge his actions ok. Police are tought that when certain things occure, that means that the situation is fast appraoching a point where you as the police giving verbal commands is going to end and a confrontation is most likely going to happen and the possibilty of a compromse in officer safety goes way up.
Repeating yourself several times and getting no response is one of those things.
The officer asked her not once, not twice not three times but at least 5 maybe 6 to get out of the car.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jun 16 2005, 05:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jun 16 2005, 05:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Jun 16 2005, 12:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Jun 16 2005, 12:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I agree with an earlier post: What <b>should</b> they have done, if not use the taser? We've ruled out physically forcing her out of the car because that's likely to result in broken bones, or at least a cut or something (which is more than a taser leaves). They can't beat her, they can't pepper spray her etc... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sticky, THEY PHYSICALLY FORCED HER OUT OF THE CAR ANYWAYS. They just did it after she was paralyzed. If we're going to be logical, here, she probably would not break bones from a foot and a half fall (unless she either weighs eight hundred pounds or is eighty years old). Your bones are tougher than you think, although I'm sure being thrown onto the ground without even the muscular ability to shield your face might change that. And, as the video shows, she doesn't. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They forced her out of the car without her flailing around, trying to hang on, trying to push away etc... They just dragged her out, nice and easy. No fuss
And I don't think it really matters if she can understand exactly what they're saying or not. They pulled her over, they've opened both doors, they're shouting at her and pointing a weapon at her... it's not rocket science here, guys.
It's not like she was paralyzed with terror either, she was chatting away pretty nicely.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cereal KillR+Jun 16 2005, 08:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ Jun 16 2005, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Her attitude was not appropriate for an officer, she disregarded orders, she argued with an officer about the reason of her arrest, and she was warned before being tazed. They just had to act some way or the other, because she wouldn't cooperate. There's nothing wrong with their actions in my opinion.
So let's see: -She was speeding 15 mph over the speed limit. -Her license was suspended (meaning she shouldn't be even driving) -She accused the officer for wrong motive of action and pretended knowing better, even if she was driving without a valid licence -She didn't obey the standard procedure needed for everything to go smoothly. -She continued disregarding and disrespecting the officer regardless of the explicit orders and the weapon pointed at her.
She was faulty and she didn't react the way she had to.
That's quite a lot more than "anyone on the street not wearing spandex." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> She also had a cracked windshield and burned out brake light, and insisted that the officer could not legally stop her for traffic violations--I'm not sure what planet she's from where traffic stops for 3 visible violations are illegal, but she was not about to cooperate under any circumstances... when they finally have her handcuffed, she cries racism because the police are following procedure and arresting her for her suspended license.
If you listen to the clips with commentary, there's a lot more going on than the linked clip can clearly show. Under the circumstances, the cops showed a lot more patience with her (especially after she started wih the wounded animal in mortal pain routine post-TASER probes being removed) than I probably would have--there's a reason why police must be shot with TASERs and pepper sprays before they can use them; they know exactly what it feels like to be on the other end.
Believe it or not, a TASER doesn't really give you a lasting cramp... while it's shocking you, every muscle affected by the electricity will constrict as though being told to do so by your brain. But, soon as that ends, it will QUICKLY respond to what your brain tells it to do!
A rational non-dangerous person would follow orders. I think that the reason the cop gives order is because by following procedure, no-one gets hurt, therefore negating any threat or harm you cannot react to.
IF she was dangerous, they wouldn't necessarily have been able to react. If she wasn't dangerous, why did she disregard orders? There's a reason he hasks to close the door, to stay in the car, etc. If the cop fees justifiably threatened, he should consider the possibilty the threat is real. No-one can predict what the woman is going to do.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If she was dangerous she had to be arrested, and if she was not dangerous she shouldve had a ticket mailed to the address registered to the car plate. A suspended liscence is not rare and doesnt make her a violent criminal. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean that after repeated demands, the cops should just leave and send her a ticket to her home, because she refused orders? If she did nothing wrong, she's not going to be penalized.
<!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Jun 16 2005, 12:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Jun 16 2005, 12:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-RustySpoon+Jun 16 2005, 09:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RustySpoon @ Jun 16 2005, 09:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 09:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jun 16 2005, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jun 16 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the cops should be the punching bag of the nation? No matter what, they cannot use force until you assault them? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Apparently it isn't. They decided to use the taser, and nobody got (mentionably) hurt. The peace was kept. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So she was infact a threat to peace? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, they could have let her talk, then when she was done she could have sped off and run over your grandmother's dog
How would you feel then eh sport? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And then she could have led a heard of elephants against your house and pulled out stumps and stuff.
Surely she was a danger. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Guys, Tasers really don't hurt that bad. For all you people out there screaming about INJUSTICE and what the hell have you. The way a taser actually DOES incapacitate is like having a bad neck/back-ache ALL OVER YOUR BODY at once, it just locks you up/makes you go limp for about five seconds (Note: They were using a Taser, not a stun gun) Also, about you people saying about the TASE Verb thing. One: I've heard it used by many a cop and Two: SHE SAID IT HER SELF "He's gonna shoot me! YOU GONNA SHOOT ME!?"
What the cop should have done is be a man instead of a punk rookie cop and ripped her out of the car with his hands or a hold or something. I guess Im going to have to respond to the tasers in schools post in discussions. People with heart problems or generally alot of physical defects can DIE from being tasered. It often times CAN be lethal, and shouldnt be used in a situation like that, not when the officer has so many other options not to mention his flipping PARTNER there. Ownage huh, you folks better keep it real. That was a stupid person getting hurt horribly, nothing funny there. You have all been desensitized far too much.
Have you ever had a family member abused by the police? I have, and that **** is infuriating. Officer Ed Puck of the Buffalo Minnesota sheriffs office let his dog bite the **** out of my brothers leg when he gave himself up and layed on the ground...it was punishment for running, and of course there was no one else around so the officer got away with it.
BTW does anyone know any substances I can poison a dog with? Something I can work into a doggy treat that the dog wont turn its nose up too, something slow. Any links?
Your a bunch of sadistic computer nerds. And given that, how about we watch the nick berg beheading together? That one was a gas. Yeah funniest **** alive. Well you know the dude deserved it, what was he doing in iraq in the first place.
Screaming from phantom pain and for attention? How about trauma? Shock? Anyone here ever been shot by a taser gun? Dont say that ****, you dont know what its like.
X_StickmanNot good enough for a custom title.Join Date: 2003-04-15Member: 15533Members, Constellation
You mean despite the fact that the only people ever recorded as being "killed" by a taser were already overdosing on drugs and would have died anyway?
That the output of a taser is far below that required to even interupt the regular heartbeat? It doesn't even <b>damage</b> anything, it just scrambles it for a few seconds.
<a href='http://www.gungfu.com/pics_info_pages/stun_guns_air_taser.htm' target='_blank'>Read it</a> before going on a righteous rant.
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
edited June 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Jun 16 2005, 12:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Jun 16 2005, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You mean despite the fact that the only people ever recorded as being "killed" by a taser were already overdosing on drugs and would have died anyway?
That the output of a taser is far below that required to even interupt the regular heartbeat? It doesn't even <b>damage</b> anything, it just scrambles it for a few seconds.
<a href='http://www.gungfu.com/pics_info_pages/stun_guns_air_taser.htm' target='_blank'>Read it</a> before going on a righteous rant. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yes thats true the shock you receive is no where near enough to disupt the human heart, even someone with a pace maker. its not voltage that kills people its amperage. And TASERS dont go anywhere near that level. An Automated External Defibrillators (the thing they shock you with when you go into cardiac arrest) could cause more damage.
All it does is give u enough of a jolt to temporarily overload your central nervous system.
and by the way... did anyone even read my first post lol.
<!--QuoteBegin-BukakkeSake+Jun 16 2005, 09:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BukakkeSake @ Jun 16 2005, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What the cop should have done is be a man instead of a punk rookie cop and ripped her out of the car with his hands or a hold or something. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh sure, that's far less dangerous for them both... and when she inevitably sues for police brutality (after all in her world they're racist and illegally stopping her--she can clearly be heard shouting both in the video), then what?
I suppose you'd think that a "real man" should have used a baton when she continued to resist arrest, because that's so much more humane? Or attempted to handcuff her while the car was running and get dragged down the street as she screams racism?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I guess Im going to have to respond to the tasers in schools post in discussions. People with heart problems or generally alot of physical defects can DIE from being tasered. It often times CAN be lethal, and shouldnt be used in a situation like that, not when the officer has so many other options not to mention his flipping PARTNER there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Try listening to the training offer's audio which is clearly linked on the page and explains exactly WHY they don't do that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ownage huh, you folks better keep it real. That was a stupid person getting hurt horribly, nothing funny there. You have all been desensitized far too much.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that was immature, but so is threatening to poison a police dog.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Have you ever had a family member abused by the police? I have, and that **** is infuriating. Officer Ed Puck of the Buffalo Minnesota sheriffs office let his dog bite the **** out of my brothers leg when he gave himself up and layed on the ground...it was punishment for running, and of course there was no one else around so the officer got away with it.
BTW does anyone know any substances I can poison a dog with? Something I can work into a doggy treat that the dog wont turn its nose up too, something slow. Any links?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which has zero to do with this--if you have a personal reason to hate the police, it doesn't mean you have a rational one to advocate they toss her out of the car instead of locking up her muscles.
While we're on the subject of family run-ins with police, my father was clubbed on the head with a baton in the 70s while trying to break up two guys fighting in a bar and hasn't been able to look at police the same way since, but as a rational being I don't project that mistake onto anybody in uniform.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your a bunch of sadistic computer nerds. And given that, how about we watch the nick berg beheading together? That one was a gas. Yeah funniest **** alive. Well you know the dude deserved it, what was he doing in iraq in the first place. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Screaming from phantom pain and for attention? How about trauma? Shock? Anyone here ever been shot by a taser gun? Dont say that ****, you dont know what its like.
Damn you people.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The police officer who shot her with a TASER knows exactly what it's like, and so does the officer who is providing both his training and the running commentary in the alternate track. Unless you personally know what it's like, I suggest you troll elsewhere.
EDIT: And actually, now that CplDavis has responded, yes there actually IS someone in this thread who has been shot by a TASER and can speak from personal experience.
<!--QuoteBegin-CplDavis+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CplDavis)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and by the way... did anyone even read my first post lol.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read maybe, but not sure that some people got all the way to the comprehension step... they also might not have realized you're an officer even though it should have been obvious from context.
<!--QuoteBegin-BukakkeSake+Jun 16 2005, 12:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BukakkeSake @ Jun 16 2005, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Screaming from phantom pain and for attention? How about trauma? Shock? Anyone here ever been shot by a taser gun? Dont say that ****, you dont know what its like. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's what i was talking about with the pain threshold thing. some people can take more pain than others. children will scream if they get a small scratch, brad pitt assassinates fifty special ops guys with a knife sticking out of his thigh in his new movie.
this woman was in pain, and we need to keep power from the powerful, lest they collect too much. <img src='http://www.hl2r.com/hl2/weapons/stunbaton.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> It's okay, do what they say and they'll only hurt people you don't know.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The method of incapacitation by the TASER is the least violent means possible for ending dangerous situations. In fact, a study was conducted on patients admitted to the Emergency Department of the King/Drew Medical Center in Los Angeles, who had been shot with a TASER between July 1980 and December 1985. ... Furthermore, the study indicated the TASER did not cause conscious pain.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you think a 1980 taser works the same way as a 2005 taser? Do you think junkies in the prison hospital are going to have a different pain tolerance than black-woman-speeding-on-a-cell-phone (all the information i have on the victim of the thread)?
Does everyone have the same pain tolerance? Perhaps she wasn't 'milking it' as suggested, and really simply hasnt been injured in a few years (due perhaps to a civilized life).
Perhaps she was faking and deserved it entirely, but i STILL dont want the precedent set that police get to zap anyone they dont agree with. Her family and friends are no longer going to sit still when an officer comes walking up. They are going to do something like run away or fight back.
The police could have used a baton, but that would cause more pain and a possibility of physically damage.
The police could have used pepper spray, and that I would probably say would be more painful than a few seconds of a tazer since it burns the eyes and other openings areas in the face. Also, this lasts a lot longer than a few seconds.
Physical force would have been worse also since that too can cause bruises, scars, and maybe even broken bones, which is far worse than being tazered for a few seconds.
You could say that she might not have resisted if the police used physical force, but her tone of voice seemed like she was rebellious, so she probably would have flailed around a bit, which could cause harm for both the police officers and the lady. Some of you guys overestimate a tazer as a extremely painful weapon, but if you actually watched other videos that show the use of the tazer, most people just go down in one second and they don't move bounce around, nor scream loudly.
The same can be said of anyone on the street not wearing spandex.
Perhaps it would make the officers feel better about themselves if they zapped everyone they passed on the sidewalk for potentially concealing things in their pockets!
Thats how it should work Ask one, she denies, ask again threatening the use of incapacitation, she dosen't comply, subdue and arrest, whats so hard about listening to what the officer is saying? What the hell is so offensive and evil and vile about "Ma'am please exit the vehicle"
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The method of incapacitation by the TASER is the least violent means possible for ending dangerous situations. In fact, a study was conducted on patients admitted to the Emergency Department of the King/Drew Medical Center in Los Angeles, who had been shot with a TASER between July 1980 and December 1985. ... Furthermore, the study indicated the TASER did not cause conscious pain.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you think a 1980 taser works the same way as a 2005 taser? Do you think junkies in the prison hospital are going to have a different pain tolerance than black-woman-speeding-on-a-cell-phone (all the information i have on the victim of the thread)?
Does everyone have the same pain tolerance? Perhaps she wasn't 'milking it' as suggested, and really simply hasnt been injured in a few years (due perhaps to a civilized life).
Perhaps she was faking and deserved it entirely, but i STILL dont want the precedent set that police get to zap anyone they dont agree with. Her family and friends are no longer going to sit still when an officer comes walking up. They are going to do something like run away or fight back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Huh?
If anything, technology should make it better. And the main reason she got tazed is because she's just an overreacting ****.
So let's see:
-She was speeding 15 mph over the speed limit.
-Her license was suspended (meaning she shouldn't be even driving)
-She accused the officer for wrong motive of action and pretended knowing better, even if she was driving without a valid licence
-She didn't obey the standard procedure needed for everything to go smoothly.
-She continued disregarding and disrespecting the officer regardless of the explicit orders and the weapon pointed at her.
She was faulty and she didn't react the way she had to.
That's quite a lot more than "anyone on the street not wearing spandex."
If you really believe this skeletal, young woman was strong enough to overpower two big guys, you don't know the first thing about how to rape people >:(
So it comes down to two options:
Tase her. Which is what happens. You only have to watch the video to see how effective it was.
Wait for her to finish her phone call and get out, which makes a mockery of the entire police force. What's next, waiting for gunmen to run out of ammunition shooting at your squad before you return fire?
What? That's taking it to the extreme? Well, so is comparing a lawful command (get out of the car) to something stupid (lick my boot).
It doesn't take brute strength to shoot someone or stab them...
Zel is everyone on the street thats not wearing latex breaking the law???
He was pointing it right at her while warning her <i>six</i> times to get out of the car. Even if you are a retard, if the officer is pointing a weapon at you. You dont need to know exactly what it is to know that it would be a good idea to get out of the flipping car.
Perhaps Boynton's Finest should have learned some social skills at the academy, such as diplomacy, reason, etc. etc., rather than howling "PUT PHONE DOWN. I WILL TASE [whaaat? TASER is an acronym, you ****wit!] YOU NOW" like a goddamn retard ape and then doing such to a young, unarmed, and <b>utterly harmless woman</b>.
I bet y'all supported Stacey Coon and his thugs, didn't you?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wait, shut up you hippy. You're missing the point completely.
So the point is.
Here it comes.
THEY TASERED A HARMLESS LADY HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!11
We all know how funny and entertaining it is watching a young woman spazz and scream after some bored cop finally found a way to play with his taser. OLOLO see now? you were wrong. It's actually QUALITY family entertainment seeing people writhing in pain!
You know, TALKING is something beyond people with gadgets that make people do what you want, and god forbid he could have waited till the woman finished her phonecall and taken her peacefully down to the station and giving her a ticket and a good old stern talking to. We all know 22 year olds are irrational beeings that can explode in your face at any time and need to be taught their place immediately with a baton/tazer/shotgun.
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Only thing is, cops don't have half an hour to wait while making an arrest
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Sticky, THEY PHYSICALLY FORCED HER OUT OF THE CAR ANYWAYS. They just did it after she was paralyzed. If we're going to be logical, here, she probably would not break bones from a foot and a half fall (unless she either weighs eight hundred pounds or is eighty years old). Your bones are tougher than you think, although I'm sure being thrown onto the ground without even the muscular ability to shield your face might change that. And, as the video shows, she doesn't.
Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Apparently it isn't. They decided to use the taser, and nobody got (mentionably) hurt. The peace was kept. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So she was infact a threat to peace? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, they could have let her talk, then when she was done she could have sped off and run over your grandmother's dog
How would you feel then eh sport?
It doesn't take brute strength to shoot someone or stab them...
Zel is everyone on the street thats not wearing latex breaking the law??? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was trying to counter the argument that they didnt know if there was a weapon in the car. Of course not, and they dont know if there is a weapon on ANYONE EVER. therefore it cannot be a good reason to use higher force.
I'm arguing against police brutality for nonviolent criminals, and in this situation the woman was very much in the wrong, so its tough to argue against all of you.
If she was dangerous she had to be arrested, and if she was not dangerous she shouldve had a ticket mailed to the address registered to the car plate. A suspended liscence is not rare and doesnt make her a violent criminal.
Sometimes you just dont hear others clearly when they start shouting without having spoken first.
"GET OUT OF THE CAR OR I WILL TASE YOU!" X6
*tase*
*4 minutes of horribly fake wailing*
"OH OH SHES GETTING BACK UP!"
*tase*
"MAM PLEASE STAY DOWN!"
*tase*
*tase*
*tase*
"OH SHES GETTING UP, SHE HAS SOMETHING IN HER HAND!"
*tase* *tase* *tase* *tase* *tase* *tase*
*barely audible moans and stifled laughter*
The woman was pulled over initially for speeding. The officer ran a standard (you do this everytime you get pulled over) drivers license check and a check for wants and warrents on the person.
The officer did this and the woman came back as suspended. I dont know about this state, but in the state im (and lots of others) driving on a suspended liscence is an arrestable offense. She did something (or several things) really stupid perhaps driving while impaired by alcohol or something who knows, and she had her license suspended.
Now assuming this state has laws like mine,
The officer can now arrest her.
The officer asked her to step out of the vehicle and we all know what happened from there. She resisted.
Now im not going to go into the entire use of force spectrum again like i did in the discussion forum.
But briefly as i said there TASERS, peppersray, and things like that can be used anywhere from after verbal commands all the way up to deadly force. No TASERS and peppersray are NOT deadly weapons. (once again people reportidly "killed by TASERS" died b/c they where so high on drugs they overdosed and died. They may have been TASERed when fighting with police but they would have died anyways. People like to bend facts. Trust me I know.)
They are not deadly weapons but they can be used anywhere up the spectrum of force continum.
The woman clearly wasnt following LAWFUL ORDERS from the officer. hense. Verbal commands are not working. She is resisting arrest at this point.
In fact if you watch the initial traffic stop section of the video you can already see what a pain in the **** this woman was.
So the officer has to remove the woman from the car to make his arrest. Now we are at an officer safety issue. The officer has not searched the vehicle past the plain view visual search he did upon coming up to the drivers side door. For all he knows this woman could have a weapon tucked down in that seat by the center console or elsewhere.
"Come now Cpl.Davis do you honostly think this woman has a gun down in the seat?"
You have no idea, there have been many, many, many documented cases, where harmless traffic stops with fully cooperative people end up with totaly seemingly copperative polite people suddnly pulling guns on police from out of nowhere.
You have to treat every person as if they could be armed.
So what are his options. The officer has to remove her from that SUV to make his arrest.
What are his options now that verbal commands are not working?
Well he can grab her in an arm lock and rip her out of the vehicle to the ground onto her face.... Baton and firearm are out of the question b/c she hasnt done anything to warrent such an action.
Or he can TASER her. She gets shocked for 5 seconds (10 in her case b/c she was kept resisting) Yea she will have a severe cramp for 5 seconds and then she will be perfectly fine with no physical damage. A lot better off then getting ripped out of the car onto the pavement.
Now Im am NOT going to judge his actions ok. Police are tought that when certain things occure, that means that the situation is fast appraoching a point where you as the police giving verbal commands is going to end and a confrontation is most likely going to happen and the possibilty of a compromse in officer safety goes way up.
Repeating yourself several times and getting no response is one of those things.
The officer asked her not once, not twice not three times but at least 5 maybe 6 to get out of the car.
An officer, BEFORE they are allowed to be ISSUED a TAZER, must have one USED on them as part of their testing so they KNOW what it feels like.
Trust me, tai'nt as bad as you'd think. I'd rather be TAZEd than shot with a rubber bullet going ~ 200 MPH at 10 feet.
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Sticky, THEY PHYSICALLY FORCED HER OUT OF THE CAR ANYWAYS. They just did it after she was paralyzed. If we're going to be logical, here, she probably would not break bones from a foot and a half fall (unless she either weighs eight hundred pounds or is eighty years old). Your bones are tougher than you think, although I'm sure being thrown onto the ground without even the muscular ability to shield your face might change that. And, as the video shows, she doesn't. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They forced her out of the car without her flailing around, trying to hang on, trying to push away etc... They just dragged her out, nice and easy. No fuss
And I don't think it really matters if she can understand exactly what they're saying or not. They pulled her over, they've opened both doors, they're shouting at her and pointing a weapon at her... it's not rocket science here, guys.
It's not like she was paralyzed with terror either, she was chatting away pretty nicely.
So let's see:
-She was speeding 15 mph over the speed limit.
-Her license was suspended (meaning she shouldn't be even driving)
-She accused the officer for wrong motive of action and pretended knowing better, even if she was driving without a valid licence
-She didn't obey the standard procedure needed for everything to go smoothly.
-She continued disregarding and disrespecting the officer regardless of the explicit orders and the weapon pointed at her.
She was faulty and she didn't react the way she had to.
That's quite a lot more than "anyone on the street not wearing spandex." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
She also had a cracked windshield and burned out brake light, and insisted that the officer could not legally stop her for traffic violations--I'm not sure what planet she's from where traffic stops for 3 visible violations are illegal, but she was not about to cooperate under any circumstances... when they finally have her handcuffed, she cries racism because the police are following procedure and arresting her for her suspended license.
If you listen to the clips with commentary, there's a lot more going on than the linked clip can clearly show. Under the circumstances, the cops showed a lot more patience with her (especially after she started wih the wounded animal in mortal pain routine post-TASER probes being removed) than I probably would have--there's a reason why police must be shot with TASERs and pepper sprays before they can use them; they know exactly what it feels like to be on the other end.
IF she was dangerous, they wouldn't necessarily have been able to react. If she wasn't dangerous, why did she disregard orders? There's a reason he hasks to close the door, to stay in the car, etc. If the cop fees justifiably threatened, he should consider the possibilty the threat is real. No-one can predict what the woman is going to do.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If she was dangerous she had to be arrested, and if she was not dangerous she shouldve had a ticket mailed to the address registered to the car plate. A suspended liscence is not rare and doesnt make her a violent criminal. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean that after repeated demands, the cops should just leave and send her a ticket to her home, because she refused orders? If she did nothing wrong, she's not going to be penalized.
Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Apparently it isn't. They decided to use the taser, and nobody got (mentionably) hurt. The peace was kept. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So she was infact a threat to peace? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, they could have let her talk, then when she was done she could have sped off and run over your grandmother's dog
How would you feel then eh sport? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And then she could have led a heard of elephants against your house and pulled out stumps and stuff.
Surely she was a danger. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yeah.
She was a pile of ****.
Have you ever had a family member abused by the police? I have, and that **** is infuriating. Officer Ed Puck of the Buffalo Minnesota sheriffs office let his dog bite the **** out of my brothers leg when he gave himself up and layed on the ground...it was punishment for running, and of course there was no one else around so the officer got away with it.
BTW does anyone know any substances I can poison a dog with? Something I can work into a doggy treat that the dog wont turn its nose up too, something slow. Any links?
Your a bunch of sadistic computer nerds. And given that, how about we watch the nick berg beheading together? That one was a gas. Yeah funniest **** alive. Well you know the dude deserved it, what was he doing in iraq in the first place.
Screaming from phantom pain and for attention? How about trauma? Shock? Anyone here ever been shot by a taser gun? Dont say that ****, you dont know what its like.
Damn you people.
That the output of a taser is far below that required to even interupt the regular heartbeat? It doesn't even <b>damage</b> anything, it just scrambles it for a few seconds.
<a href='http://www.gungfu.com/pics_info_pages/stun_guns_air_taser.htm' target='_blank'>Read it</a> before going on a righteous rant.
That the output of a taser is far below that required to even interupt the regular heartbeat? It doesn't even <b>damage</b> anything, it just scrambles it for a few seconds.
<a href='http://www.gungfu.com/pics_info_pages/stun_guns_air_taser.htm' target='_blank'>Read it</a> before going on a righteous rant. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes thats true the shock you receive is no where near enough to disupt the human heart, even someone with a pace maker. its not voltage that kills people its amperage. And TASERS dont go anywhere near that level. An Automated External Defibrillators (the thing they shock you with when you go into cardiac arrest) could cause more damage.
All it does is give u enough of a jolt to temporarily overload your central nervous system.
and by the way... did anyone even read my first post lol.
Oh sure, that's far less dangerous for them both... and when she inevitably sues for police brutality (after all in her world they're racist and illegally stopping her--she can clearly be heard shouting both in the video), then what?
I suppose you'd think that a "real man" should have used a baton when she continued to resist arrest, because that's so much more humane? Or attempted to handcuff her while the car was running and get dragged down the street as she screams racism?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I guess Im going to have to respond to the tasers in schools post in discussions. People with heart problems or generally alot of physical defects can DIE from being tasered. It often times CAN be lethal, and shouldnt be used in a situation like that, not when the officer has so many other options not to mention his flipping PARTNER there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Try listening to the training offer's audio which is clearly linked on the page and explains exactly WHY they don't do that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ownage huh, you folks better keep it real. That was a stupid person getting hurt horribly, nothing funny there. You have all been desensitized far too much.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that was immature, but so is threatening to poison a police dog.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Have you ever had a family member abused by the police? I have, and that **** is infuriating. Officer Ed Puck of the Buffalo Minnesota sheriffs office let his dog bite the **** out of my brothers leg when he gave himself up and layed on the ground...it was punishment for running, and of course there was no one else around so the officer got away with it.
BTW does anyone know any substances I can poison a dog with? Something I can work into a doggy treat that the dog wont turn its nose up too, something slow. Any links?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which has zero to do with this--if you have a personal reason to hate the police, it doesn't mean you have a rational one to advocate they toss her out of the car instead of locking up her muscles.
While we're on the subject of family run-ins with police, my father was clubbed on the head with a baton in the 70s while trying to break up two guys fighting in a bar and hasn't been able to look at police the same way since, but as a rational being I don't project that mistake onto anybody in uniform.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your a bunch of sadistic computer nerds. And given that, how about we watch the nick berg beheading together? That one was a gas. Yeah funniest **** alive. Well you know the dude deserved it, what was he doing in iraq in the first place. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Screaming from phantom pain and for attention? How about trauma? Shock? Anyone here ever been shot by a taser gun? Dont say that ****, you dont know what its like.
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The police officer who shot her with a TASER knows exactly what it's like, and so does the officer who is providing both his training and the running commentary in the alternate track. Unless you personally know what it's like, I suggest you troll elsewhere.
EDIT: And actually, now that CplDavis has responded, yes there actually IS someone in this thread who has been shot by a TASER and can speak from personal experience.
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Read maybe, but not sure that some people got all the way to the comprehension step... they also might not have realized you're an officer even though it should have been obvious from context.
That's what i was talking about with the pain threshold thing. some people can take more pain than others. children will scream if they get a small scratch, brad pitt assassinates fifty special ops guys with a knife sticking out of his thigh in his new movie.
this woman was in pain, and we need to keep power from the powerful, lest they collect too much.
<img src='http://www.hl2r.com/hl2/weapons/stunbaton.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> It's okay, do what they say and they'll only hurt people you don't know.