<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 20 2005, 12:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 20 2005, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kalimxs+Jun 19 2005, 08:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kalimxs @ Jun 19 2005, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 19 2005, 07:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 19 2005, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 19 2005, 08:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 19 2005, 08:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jun 19 2005, 01:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jun 19 2005, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Forlorn: After level 3 stomp doesn't stop cyber marines any more... It slows them temporarily, but depending on level they can probably still outrun a non charge onos. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ignoring the Forlorn comment, a basic marine is faster than a non-celerity onos. I've never seen stompt fail to stop a marine even when he's at lv. 7 cyber. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention.
Depot: I can tell just from the way you are posting you aren't going to change jack, so I'm not posting anywhere else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> extralevels2 is not mine to change. I simply ported it from amx to amxx and in the process became quite familiar with it's workings.
I still contend the plugin is totally customizeable by the server op, who has the ability to balance it perfectly.
And why don't you like ethereal tracking and ethereal shift? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> HAHAHA YOU THINK SERVER OPS ARE COMPETENT<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ya know, that's probably a good question. Often coders assume the people downloading their plugins at least have a working knowledge of what's inside, when in fact they simply could care less what's inside. They simply compile it then install it.
The solution here would be for the plugin creator to take a few extra moments before releasing it to ensure the default settings would leave the plugin balanced, if that's possible. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I only use 2 extralevels of depot's 50 level plugin and the advanced upgrades in the /menu is disabled.
Plus combat should be lvl 11 IMHO, due to the fact that in ns classic a 3 hive onos with all 3 chambers is a level 11 onos in co in co if onos gets charge bam he can only get 2 chamber upgrades with max level 10...
I have level 12 so that marines can actually stand a chance in CO as at level 10 even with good marines they always lost but at level 12 they actually do win more often... but above level 12 is a big no no IMHO..
Also depot in you extralevels2.sma i can disable the /menu function but i can't find a part where i can stop the actual menu coming up fullstop. Can you plz let me know if this is possible thnx.
I call it yours even tho it aint because it says your name on it in-game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 20 2005, 10:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 20 2005, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 19 2005, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 19 2005, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Spetsnaz+Jun 19 2005, 09:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spetsnaz @ Jun 19 2005, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CO is the slow painfull death of NS.
endgame <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Or .... ... .. . is Classic the slow death of Combat? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Considering Classic is what makes NS worth playing, because it's <u>unique</u>, I'd say I'd take classic over combat any day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think he was making an allusion to that pseudo-smart post about how we should explore all angles of the death of NS as a game.
But yeah, the final view of the situation is obvious: Classic is dying, Combat is becoming the favored playtype. I can't agree with this tendency, but I'd say that Classic, Combat, and the player mentality are all equally responsible for this change.
@TheJim: Dood, you have an <b>OLD</b> version if it still has my name on it. By all means get the latest, as yours is exploitable. Menus I <i>might</i> be able to help you with, but please get the latest version, then pm me.
@Cereal KillR: You are correct sir, I was referring to the "Is Classic Killing Combat Thread", and sky, in maintaining his normal policy of "let's rip Depot again" failed to catch the joke and let it fly right over his head. Meh .... ... .. . <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 20 2005, 03:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 20 2005, 03:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 19 2005, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 19 2005, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Spetsnaz+Jun 19 2005, 09:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spetsnaz @ Jun 19 2005, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CO is the slow painfull death of NS.
endgame <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Or .... ... .. . is Classic the slow death of Combat? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Considering Classic is what makes NS worth playing, because it's <u>unique</u>, I'd say I'd take classic over combat any day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly. I'd be HAPPY if Classic killed combat.
I forsee this topic losing it's focus rather soon, and a mod will end up locking it. If this happens, that mod will 'not care' judging from the topic description.
Will they risk locking it and being accused of not caring or will they let it run its course?
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Jun 20 2005, 08:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Jun 20 2005, 08:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I forsee this topic losing it's focus rather soon, and a mod will end up locking it. If this happens, that mod will 'not care' judging from the topic description.
Will they risk locking it and being accused of not caring or will they let it run its course?
These are the days of our lives. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Days of Our Lives? How dare you!
The Young and the Restless FTW! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think if you brought a civil war veteran back from the dead and enlisted him in today's army........you'd get a conversation similar to this thread.
He'd complain about how things used to be and how much simpler things were back then. It would go something like this: <i>Why can't we just go back to the old days when it took some skill to kill someone with a inaccurate front-loading rifle? It takes no skill to airstrike NoobZ/oRS FROM TEH BA?LTTLESHIP!! OMGHAX THEY HAVE SATELLITE SURVELANCWE@!?!??! WTH?!? TECHNOLOGY KILLED WAR!!! OMG! OMG!!</i>
Let me tell you how it was in<b> MY </b>day .... ... .. . <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Whats best is the /menu + the /buildmenu servers. There is only one, but it's quite fun. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-eliotmat+Jun 20 2005, 09:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eliotmat @ Jun 20 2005, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think if you brought a civil war veteran back from the dead and enlisted him in today's army........you'd get a conversation similar to this thread.
He'd complain about how things used to be and how much simpler things were back then. It would go something like this: <i>Why can't we just go back to the old days when it took some skill to kill someone with a inaccurate front-loading rifle? It takes no skill to airstrike NoobZ/oRS FROM TEH BA?LTTLESHIP!! OMGHAX THEY HAVE SATELLITE SURVELANCWE@!?!??! WTH?!? TECHNOLOGY KILLED WAR!!! OMG! OMG!!</i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The complaint isn't that extralevels is too easy, it's that extralevels completely warps the game into something it was never intended to be.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 20 2005, 12:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 20 2005, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-eliotmat+Jun 20 2005, 09:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eliotmat @ Jun 20 2005, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think if you brought a civil war veteran back from the dead and enlisted him in today's army........you'd get a conversation similar to this thread.
He'd complain about how things used to be and how much simpler things were back then. It would go something like this: <i>Why can't we just go back to the old days when it took some skill to kill someone with a inaccurate front-loading rifle? It takes no skill to airstrike NoobZ/oRS FROM TEH BA?LTTLESHIP!! OMGHAX THEY HAVE SATELLITE SURVELANCWE@!?!??! WTH?!? TECHNOLOGY KILLED WAR!!! OMG! OMG!!</i> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The complaint isn't that extralevels is too easy, it's that extralevels completely warps the game into something it was never intended to be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As does <b>ANY</b> game-altering mod, not just extralevels2. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I remember a day in which there was nothing to play BUT NS Classic. I remember a day in which there was no Combat, but more importantly none of this fifty levels crap. I remember a day in which people had to actually wait around in NS servers until enough people joined to get a 4v4 going.
Combat, in my opinion, satisifies that impulsive urge that people get to play NS. I play it still, and I still say that it's a horrible misproportioned replica of the real game.
The difference is that now a days people can satisfy their obsessive hunger to mow things down in CO quickly and effectively. No one except the vets care to play NS Classic anymore, it's slow and ponderous by comparison.
<!--QuoteBegin-LazerMane+Jun 20 2005, 04:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LazerMane @ Jun 20 2005, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I remember a day in which there was nothing to play BUT NS Classic. I remember a day in which there was no Combat, but more importantly none of this fifty levels crap. I remember a day in which people had to actually wait around in NS servers until enough people joined to get a 4v4 going. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I remember that day too! It was back when:
1) NS was first released - making it the new hotness that everyone wanted to play 2) NS Classic was fun - linked hives, perma gorges, reasons to defend other players and hold spots on the map... 3) Everything was new and things like the ninja phase / shotgun rush were the new amazing tactics.
Now we have a game that's been out for 3 years, has undergone major gameplay changes since "those days" and is, quite frankly, not nearly as fun as what it once was.
He can't take classic, he can't take standard combat, and this is the final resort. This is what it all boils down to, with Teppla being a perfect subject. Extra levels isn't for the thinker and player combined, it's for the player.
Veterens used to be proclaimed... 'Team stacking mutants who only went into servers to disobey the commander and spawn camp', and you see the majority of us despising that which you've said we are.
Like said above... there are 2 types of players that have been brought to this game.. with combat and with NS Classic... The player, and the thinker... The thinker/player has been made suitable to Cal, the thinker has been brough into more of a pubbing classic environment, where he knows his regulars, but isn't really wanting to take that step into a competitive scene... yet... The player is just what people used to say vets were... He wants to play, and that's it... And this is what you'll find, alone, on the extra level servers... as well as most combat servers. This is also why this was brought to be.
Natural selection wasn't appealing to all, but some people are just naturally good with a keyboard and mouse, and enjoy this game for the slaughterfest it can become on huge combat servers... The thinker and player combination, has taken presidence since the begginning of this game, and will remain there for quite some time.... until...
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 20 2005, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 20 2005, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how is <b>ANY</b> of what you just posted relevant to this topic? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> how is <b>ANY</b> of what you just posted relevant to this topic? LOL
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jun 20 2005, 08:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jun 20 2005, 08:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 20 2005, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 20 2005, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how is <b>ANY</b> of what you just posted relevant to this topic? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> how is <b>ANY</b> of what you just posted relevant to this topic? LOL <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Have you seen me flaming anyone? Posting a banlist? I didn't think so.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
The REAL question is why no one has written an Auction House plugin for NS Classic yet, where you can sell off your LMG ammo and unwanted shotguns in exchange for a shiny jetpack.
That's what the game <i>really</i> needs for an infusion of players.
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jun 20 2005, 08:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jun 20 2005, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Way to answer my question )::::
( ):::: = five million eyes LIKE AN ALIEN LOL!) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Why not go back and read them, and if you're capable of comprehending you'll answer your own question. Simple as that.
NS was about thinking and strategy, combat is about a quick fix, nuff said. You should never introduce it in such a way its likely to overtake your own creation. I don't know flayras intentions, but if this was my mod, I wouldn't allow it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 20 2005, 06:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 20 2005, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jun 20 2005, 08:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jun 20 2005, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Way to answer my question )::::
( ):::: = five million eyes LIKE AN ALIEN LOL!) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why not go back and read them, and if you're capable of comprehending you'll answer your own question. Simple as that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was talking about that specific post
iv been playing sence the day it came out ilike both ns and co, co helps me by getting aiming practice, then i like ns the most, if you dont wana play co maps why dony u just put ns under map names in ur search filter and u wont see anymore combat maps.. there ya go!
<!--QuoteBegin-0xff+Jun 20 2005, 10:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (0xff @ Jun 20 2005, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> iv been playing sence the day it came out ilike both ns and co, co helps me by getting aiming practice, then i like ns the most, if you dont wana play co maps why dony u just put ns under map names in ur search filter and u wont see anymore combat maps.. there ya go! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's a complaint about what's happening to combat servers, not to combat in general
<!--QuoteBegin-the hole+Jun 20 2005, 11:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the hole @ Jun 20 2005, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Teppla should be defending this thread steve, not you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You haven't been reading have you? I guess I can't blame you since anything worth posting I did on page 1 - 5 or so, and now its up to 23.
I'll give you a short summary. I never actually said anything about extra levels in combat, I was not defending or attacking any server mods for combat. I, instead, was attacking Classic's game play and the fact that Classic is no longer fun for the average player. Since this thread is about combat and its plugins, what I said really was not relevant to the post at all, but I always like pointing out that the reason why combat is so much better over classic is becuase classic is no longer the game it once was.
Also, teppla's e-peen is very dependant on how many times he is mentioned on the forums - it just grew about 10 fold.
But dude, enough about that. I've been playing a lot of World of Warcraft but just canceled my subscripton becuase the honor system is impossible to rank up in. Tomorrow a new video card will be in my comp and I'll be able to play BF2 - I hear thats fun. Hope all is well Prodigy! Stay safe - and remember - Jesus saves from sin.
SentrySteve, Emanon, and anyone else interested in the CompetitiveCombat plugin, I just posted a <a href='http://nsmod.ugleague.org/forums1/index.php?showtopic=155' target='_blank'>new release</a> which doesn't require tournamentmode to be enabled. I need it tested please.
Before anyone cries off topic, this plugin does the exact opposite of what the author complained of, hence it's relevancy. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 21 2005, 12:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 21 2005, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Before anyone cries off topic, this plugin does the exact opposite of what the author complained of, hence it's relevancy. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice tie in - smooth.
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Ignoring the Forlorn comment, a basic marine is faster than a non-celerity onos. I've never seen stompt fail to stop a marine even when he's at lv. 7 cyber. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention.
Depot: I can tell just from the way you are posting you aren't going to change jack, so I'm not posting anywhere else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
extralevels2 is not mine to change. I simply ported it from amx to amxx and in the process became quite familiar with it's workings.
I still contend the plugin is totally customizeable by the server op, who has the ability to balance it perfectly.
And why don't you like ethereal tracking and ethereal shift? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HAHAHA YOU THINK SERVER OPS ARE COMPETENT<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ya know, that's probably a good question. Often coders assume the people downloading their plugins at least have a working knowledge of what's inside, when in fact they simply could care less what's inside. They simply compile it then install it.
The solution here would be for the plugin creator to take a few extra moments before releasing it to ensure the default settings would leave the plugin balanced, if that's possible. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I only use 2 extralevels of depot's 50 level plugin and the advanced upgrades in the /menu is disabled.
Plus combat should be lvl 11 IMHO, due to the fact that in ns classic a 3 hive onos with all 3 chambers is a level 11 onos in co in co if onos gets charge bam he can only get 2 chamber upgrades with max level 10...
I have level 12 so that marines can actually stand a chance in CO as at level 10 even with good marines they always lost but at level 12 they actually do win more often... but above level 12 is a big no no IMHO..
Also depot in you extralevels2.sma i can disable the /menu function but i can't find a part where i can stop the actual menu coming up fullstop. Can you plz let me know if this is possible thnx.
I call it yours even tho it aint because it says your name on it in-game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
endgame <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or .... ... .. . is Classic the slow death of Combat? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Considering Classic is what makes NS worth playing, because it's <u>unique</u>, I'd say I'd take classic over combat any day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think he was making an allusion to that pseudo-smart post about how we should explore all angles of the death of NS as a game.
But yeah, the final view of the situation is obvious: Classic is dying, Combat is becoming the favored playtype. I can't agree with this tendency, but I'd say that Classic, Combat, and the player mentality are all equally responsible for this change.
@Cereal KillR: You are correct sir, I was referring to the "Is Classic Killing Combat Thread", and sky, in maintaining his normal policy of "let's rip Depot again" failed to catch the joke and let it fly right over his head. Meh .... ... .. . <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
endgame <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or .... ... .. . is Classic the slow death of Combat? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Considering Classic is what makes NS worth playing, because it's <u>unique</u>, I'd say I'd take classic over combat any day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. I'd be HAPPY if Classic killed combat.
Will they risk locking it and being accused of not caring or will they let it run its course?
These are the days of our lives.
For CWAG to rant and rave? I think it's worth leaving unlocked for a while.
Will they risk locking it and being accused of not caring or will they let it run its course?
These are the days of our lives. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Days of Our Lives? How dare you!
The Young and the Restless FTW! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
He'd complain about how things used to be and how much simpler things were back then. It would go something like this: <i>Why can't we just go back to the old days when it took some skill to kill someone with a inaccurate front-loading rifle? It takes no skill to airstrike NoobZ/oRS FROM TEH BA?LTTLESHIP!! OMGHAX THEY HAVE SATELLITE SURVELANCWE@!?!??! WTH?!? TECHNOLOGY KILLED WAR!!! OMG! OMG!!</i>
He'd complain about how things used to be and how much simpler things were back then. It would go something like this: <i>Why can't we just go back to the old days when it took some skill to kill someone with a inaccurate front-loading rifle? It takes no skill to airstrike NoobZ/oRS FROM TEH BA?LTTLESHIP!! OMGHAX THEY HAVE SATELLITE SURVELANCWE@!?!??! WTH?!? TECHNOLOGY KILLED WAR!!! OMG! OMG!!</i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The complaint isn't that extralevels is too easy, it's that extralevels completely warps the game into something it was never intended to be.
He'd complain about how things used to be and how much simpler things were back then. It would go something like this: <i>Why can't we just go back to the old days when it took some skill to kill someone with a inaccurate front-loading rifle? It takes no skill to airstrike NoobZ/oRS FROM TEH BA?LTTLESHIP!! OMGHAX THEY HAVE SATELLITE SURVELANCWE@!?!??! WTH?!? TECHNOLOGY KILLED WAR!!! OMG! OMG!!</i> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The complaint isn't that extralevels is too easy, it's that extralevels completely warps the game into something it was never intended to be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
As does <b>ANY</b> game-altering mod, not just extralevels2. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Combat, in my opinion, satisifies that impulsive urge that people get to play NS. I play it still, and I still say that it's a horrible misproportioned replica of the real game.
The difference is that now a days people can satisfy their obsessive hunger to mow things down in CO quickly and effectively. No one except the vets care to play NS Classic anymore, it's slow and ponderous by comparison.
I remember that day too! It was back when:
1) NS was first released - making it the new hotness that everyone wanted to play
2) NS Classic was fun - linked hives, perma gorges, reasons to defend other players and hold spots on the map...
3) Everything was new and things like the ninja phase / shotgun rush were the new amazing tactics.
Now we have a game that's been out for 3 years, has undergone major gameplay changes since "those days" and is, quite frankly, not nearly as fun as what it once was.
5/27/05 - Banned from AOTP 50 Levels,www.aotp-clan.Com
Teppla banned, no reason stated. Demo on forums.
4/30/05 - Banned from Army of Llamas XtraLvls2 Combat v30 Lovin
Teppla banned, no reason stated. Unfortunately no demo was recorded because of this.
4/26/05 - Banned from - Evil Incorporated NS Division [ns/co xtralvls]
Teppla banned, no reason stated. Hot lerk action demo on forums.
4/24/05 - Banned from ixel-host.net // NS3 Combat Only // Xtra Levels
Teppla banned, no reason stated. Demo on forums.
The most recent additions to his bansite. It seems our NS Combat fanatic has grown fond of extralevels .. :-o Maybe it's because of ... ME
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He can't take classic, he can't take standard combat, and this is the final resort. This is what it all boils down to, with Teppla being a perfect subject. Extra levels isn't for the thinker and player combined, it's for the player.
Veterens used to be proclaimed... 'Team stacking mutants who only went into servers to disobey the commander and spawn camp', and you see the majority of us despising that which you've said we are.
Like said above... there are 2 types of players that have been brought to this game.. with combat and with NS Classic... The player, and the thinker... The thinker/player has been made suitable to Cal, the thinker has been brough into more of a pubbing classic environment, where he knows his regulars, but isn't really wanting to take that step into a competitive scene... yet... The player is just what people used to say vets were... He wants to play, and that's it... And this is what you'll find, alone, on the extra level servers... as well as most combat servers. This is also why this was brought to be.
Natural selection wasn't appealing to all, but some people are just naturally good with a keyboard and mouse, and enjoy this game for the slaughterfest it can become on huge combat servers... The thinker and player combination, has taken presidence since the begginning of this game, and will remain there for quite some time.... until...
how is <b>ANY</b> of what you just posted relevant to this topic? LOL
how is <b>ANY</b> of what you just posted relevant to this topic? LOL <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you seen me flaming anyone? Posting a banlist? I didn't think so.
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That's what the game <i>really</i> needs for an infusion of players.
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Why not go back and read them, and if you're capable of comprehending you'll answer your own question. Simple as that.
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Why not go back and read them, and if you're capable of comprehending you'll answer your own question. Simple as that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was talking about that specific post
It's a complaint about what's happening to combat servers, not to combat in general
You haven't been reading have you? I guess I can't blame you since anything worth posting I did on page 1 - 5 or so, and now its up to 23.
I'll give you a short summary. I never actually said anything about extra levels in combat, I was not defending or attacking any server mods for combat. I, instead, was attacking Classic's game play and the fact that Classic is no longer fun for the average player. Since this thread is about combat and its plugins, what I said really was not relevant to the post at all, but I always like pointing out that the reason why combat is so much better over classic is becuase classic is no longer the game it once was.
Also, teppla's e-peen is very dependant on how many times he is mentioned on the forums - it just grew about 10 fold.
But dude, enough about that. I've been playing a lot of World of Warcraft but just canceled my subscripton becuase the honor system is impossible to rank up in. Tomorrow a new video card will be in my comp and I'll be able to play BF2 - I hear thats fun. Hope all is well Prodigy! Stay safe - and remember - Jesus saves from sin.
Before anyone cries off topic, this plugin does the exact opposite of what the author complained of, hence it's relevancy. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nice tie in - smooth.