In season two, exigent was scheduled to play against pandas on the saturday before easter. Pandas said they couldn't play that night (pandas said it on saturday) because two of their best players were doing religious stuff with their family and we rescheduled to play the following night. What's so hard about rescheduling a championship match, don't you want to actually play?
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What would Exi think about remaining in CAL upon the condition that the rules be amended and or clarified such that there can be no confusion next time?
Though it does seem that you guys got screwed, the decision was made in what appears to be the admin's best interpretation of the rules. Whether or not that actually was the best interpretation is debatable. It doesn't make all that much sense to me, but if we start with the assumption that the decision was made in good faith, I think we can make progress for improving things.
Come up with modifications to the rules that you think you would be comfortable playing under, and submit them. See what the admins say.
You'll be a lot better off I think trying to work with CAL to improve things. This benefits everyone. The ruleset of CAL improves, you guys will still have a league to play in, and it will be better because of your contribution.
<!--QuoteBegin-rennex+Jun 28 2005, 12:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rennex @ Jun 28 2005, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In season two, exigent was scheduled to play against pandas on the saturday before easter. Pandas said they couldn't play that night (pandas said it on saturday) because two of their best players were doing religious stuff with their family and we rescheduled to play the following night. What's so hard about rescheduling a championship match, don't you want to actually play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was going to stay out of this thread but hi meight. Check your PM's.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zephor+Jun 28 2005, 05:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zephor @ Jun 28 2005, 05:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hope you enjoy your suspension taylor.
As for the issue. You play in CAL. If you dont agree with the rules or how the CAL admin carries out the rules, you're free to join another league. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You suspended him from a league he already quit.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zephor+Jun 28 2005, 12:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zephor @ Jun 28 2005, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I hope you enjoy your suspension taylor.
As for the issue. You play in CAL. If you dont agree with the rules or how the CAL admin carries out the rules, you're free to join another league.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Congrats, you are one step closer to killing competitive ns
PS: If it wasn't easy to tell, I was talking to Hsu and not taylor, that is all
<!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Jun 28 2005, 01:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Jun 28 2005, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you know what, i'm not even going to bother refuting nadagast's attempt to spin the events so terror are 'bad sports' because i really don't care <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> because we're all "spin doctors", and not a shred of truth exists in what we have said, right guys
<!--QuoteBegin-JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven+Jun 28 2005, 06:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ Jun 28 2005, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Jun 28 2005, 01:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Jun 28 2005, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you know what, i'm not even going to bother refuting nadagast's attempt to spin the events so terror are 'bad sports' because i really don't care <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> because we're all "spin doctors", and not a shred of truth exists in what we have said, right guys <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's too bad titanium edited his reply, becuase it is nice to have the other persons point of view - and judging from how I'm the only guy who apparently saw it - yeah - I'd say yeah, you're spinning the truth.
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Jun 28 2005, 01:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Jun 28 2005, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven+Jun 28 2005, 06:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ Jun 28 2005, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Jun 28 2005, 01:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Jun 28 2005, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you know what, i'm not even going to bother refuting nadagast's attempt to spin the events so terror are 'bad sports' because i really don't care <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> because we're all "spin doctors", and not a shred of truth exists in what we have said, right guys <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's too bad titanium edited his reply, becuase it is nice to have the other persons point of view - and judging from how I'm the only guy who apparently saw it - yeah - I'd say yeah, you're spinning the truth. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You are not making a convincing argument, sir.
the fact remains that Taylor Parsons and by proxy his merry band of yesmen want only to perpetuate drama at this point. There's two sides to every story and CAL believe it or not is not corrupt because they wouldn't bend the rules in the favor of a particular team.
If they want to take their ball and go home it's their choice, if they want revenge they can come play in NSI. If they want to keep crying about the finals they have only themselves to blame for you know, not playing them.
And I for one see no reason to play a grudge after having the game on origin we gave them late last night being thrown in our faces as a 1-1. I assured my team that Exigent only wanted to play for fun and yet here it is on the NS forums that they are claiming it as part of the finals when they implicitly stated that they would not do that. I had my half asleep team come and play them hoping that Taylor's depths of treachery would not sink this deep but it's sad to say that is has. I'm confident he will say and do anything to further his own ends (and thereby his teams) and am truly thankful he is a high school drop out because if he attempted this kind of crap in the real world he would not last long.
You guys (the non competitive community who really have no need for this crap) are free to believe what you want of this ordeal, it's done and over to us. Good luck next season if you want to come crawling back.
<!--QuoteBegin-JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven+Jun 28 2005, 06:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ Jun 28 2005, 06:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You are not making a convincing argument, sir. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If titanium edited his reply he obviously doesnt want me to retype out what it was.
Titanium you can throw around baseless assertions that I'm making stuff up, but that doesn't make it so. The 3 options that I posted that you presented us with are the only 3 we had, no? Am I missing something? Please, inform me... No need to get angry, just tell us what other option we had.
Chamois: You dodged the issue and you resorted to childish personal insults... I'm dissapointed. Also, I didn't claim the 2nd half of origin to be part of the finals, I just stated that we played later... that's it. If someone else said that it was part of the finals, I'm sorry because that's dishonest. And I don't think anyone (except maybe Pain, but he shouldn't be (onoez I'm not his 'yesman'?)) is calling CAL corrupt.
<!--QuoteBegin-CHAMois+Jun 28 2005, 01:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CHAMois @ Jun 28 2005, 01:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There's two sides to every story and CAL believe it or not is not corrupt because they wouldn't bend the rules in the favor of a particular team.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Please reread <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If a server is unsuitable for match play, a replacement must be found. If an objection is made prior to the half commencing and the server is deemed unplayable by a CAL admin, then a new server must be found.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do beleive HSU is getting a bad rap here. He's got a <i>thankless</i> constant job. He might have mad a bad call and the most inopurtune moment, but he's only human. I think the following quote sums up everything in one single, yet pertinant question:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [21:50] <CAL-ns|Brett> how about common sense? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
which issue did I dodge? We shopped around for servers for 3 hours while your clan was busy on NSradio making **** up. We did more than we had to to help YOUR situation. This is two seasons in a row your ISP has been acting up, this time it was not in your favor so it becomes an issue. Here's a simple solution to all your problems Nadagast, GET A NEW ISP. Last season you could not be hit, this season you were being hit too much. It's a gamble that you willingly take with your flaky ISP.
We sat for hours trying to accomodate for your problem. You repeatedly said it wasn't the server, it was your isp, and yet here you are whining about how we denied you a new server.
And all this time no one in our clan has brought up the fact that you attempted to yet again deny telling us your map choice until the very last moment. And this season you did not even hide the fact that you were deliberately doing it to screw us, with syckness stating "You were being jerks, now it's time to return the favor"
And then you ask us to postpone our scheduled match for you, halfway through it. You ask us to stay up ungodly hours until it's convenient for you to play. Do not pretend we are friends when it suits your needs, the animosity between our teams is plain as day and yet still we tried to accomodate you beyond what we were required to do. We also gave you the benefit of the doubt that you would not pull some absurd whiney **** if we agreed to play you for fun and nothing more after that, and look what it gets us.
There is no winning with Exigent unless everything goes your way. I will be surprised if anyone on my team attempts to go out of their way for you again. I've always given your clan the benefit of the doubt because of the past relations you shared with HAM (HAM guys, HAM) in the 2.0 days. But from now on I'm sorry to say I can't as long as you continue to echo the lies and half truths that come out of Pain User's mouth.
If you want to continue to embroil the NS community in this crap, that's fine. But never ask our clan for favors again. There was never any comraderie to begin with, but now the mutual respect that two top teams should have for another is gone as well. I don't care about reparations or blame at this point, it's done and over. The least you could do is stop annoying everyone else with OUR issues.
The more you act like you are victims the more it solidifies my stance on your clan
I'm sorry the finals ended this way because we truly intended to kick some **** this time around. And we would enjoy meeting your clan in NSI or next season if you choose to come back, but this issue is dead. Now if you'll excuse me I must go back to my alcohol bender in celebration of being a CAL champion.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->which issue did I dodge? We shopped around for servers for 3 hours while your clan was busy on NSradio making **** up. We did more than we had to to help YOUR situation. This is two seasons in a row your ISP has been acting up, this time it was not in your favor so it becomes an issue. Here's a simple solution to all your problems Nadagast, GET A NEW ISP. Last season you could not be hit, this season you were being hit too much. It's a gamble that you willingly take with your flaky ISP.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You didn't shop around for servers. You keep saying you were willing to switch servers, but you always forget to mention that you'd only switch servers on the condition that we forfeit the 2nd half of origin, come on don't be dishonest.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We sat for hours trying to accomodate for your problem. You repeatedly said it wasn't the server, it was your isp, and yet here you are whining about how we denied you a new server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But you WEREN'T trying to accomodate our problem or you would've agreed to go to a new server with 1-0 in your advantadge. You didn't do that... Yes, we're here 'whining' about how you denied us a new server, because YOU DID. You only agreed to go to a new server if we forfeited the 2nd half of origin.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And all this time no one in our clan has brought up the fact that you attempted to yet again deny telling us your map choice until the very last moment. And this season you did not even hide the fact that you were deliberately doing it to screw us, with syckness stating "You were being jerks, now it's time to return the favor"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not sure what you're talking about. A CAL admin came on our vent pretty early in the week (Monday, maybe Tuesday) and we told him our map then and there... if you didn't know our map choice... talk to the CAL admins.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And then you ask us to postpone our scheduled match for you, halfway through it. You ask us to stay up ungodly hours until it's convenient for you to play. Do not pretend we are friends when it suits your needs, the animosity between our teams is plain as day and yet still we tried to accomodate you beyond what we were required to do. We also gave you the benefit of the doubt that you would not pull some absurd whiney **** if we agreed to play you for fun and nothing more after that, and look what it gets us.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We asked you to reschedule, since you wouldn't let us play on a fair server. How are we being unreasonable? The reason you stayed up so late is because you repeatedly said we couldn't change servers. If, after the first origin round, you agreed to switch servers, we would've been playing 5-10 minutes after that. No big deal. You decided to be unfair about the server selection and force us to play on a server where 4 of our 6 members (including 2 of 3 higher lifeforms) were having some pretty bad freezing problems. Put the blame on us and use an overexaggerated, angry tone all you want, it doesn't change what happened.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no winning with Exigent unless everything goes your way. I will be surprised if anyone on my team attempts to go out of their way for you again. I've always given your clan the benefit of the doubt because of the past relations you shared with HAM (HAM guys, HAM) in the 2.0 days. But from now on I'm sorry to say I can't as long as you continue to echo the lies and half truths that come out of Pain User's mouth.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You accuse us of spouting half truths while constantly saying things like: "We shopped around for servers for 3 hours while your clan was busy on NSradio making **** up." Which just isn't true at all... AGAIN: You only offered to switch servers if we forfeited the 2nd half of origin. Annihilator made this VERY clear in MM1.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you want to continue to embroil the NS community in this crap, that's fine. But never ask our clan for favors again. There was never any comraderie to begin with, but now the mutual respect that two top teams should have for another is gone as well. I don't care about reparations or blame at this point, it's done and over. The least you could do is stop annoying everyone else with OUR issues.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm telling people what happened. If they don't want to read, that's fine <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If a server is unsuitable for match play, a replacement must be found. If an objection is made prior to the half commencing and the server is deemed unplayable by a CAL admin, then a new server must be found. This rule cannot be invoked after play has commenced.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A lot of people have been quoting this snippet as evidence that the match should have been able to change servers at the half. The only problem with that is this:
Exigent never claimed the server to be unplayable. They said it was their ISP. They said changing servers would not fix it.
A forfeit win for the finals isn't anything anyone would want. It doesn't prove anything. I'm sure Terror wanted to play just as much as Exigent did. The only difference is that Terror didn't have 6-10 hours to wait for Exigent's ping issues to stop.
Reading this thread makes me soooo happy that I'm just a pub player. At least I'm able to play NS and having FUN and ENJOY myself without all this nonsense going on at the same time.
You people know what it is right? Having FUN that is? That is the purpose of games, right? FUN?
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This is not the place to hold a trial or judgement of either Terror, Exi or CAL. If you have a complaint to either of these, take it to them.
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Though it does seem that you guys got screwed, the decision was made in what appears to be the admin's best interpretation of the rules. Whether or not that actually was the best interpretation is debatable. It doesn't make all that much sense to me, but if we start with the assumption that the decision was made in good faith, I think we can make progress for improving things.
Come up with modifications to the rules that you think you would be comfortable playing under, and submit them. See what the admins say.
You'll be a lot better off I think trying to work with CAL to improve things. This benefits everyone. The ruleset of CAL improves, you guys will still have a league to play in, and it will be better because of your contribution.
Think about it.
I was going to stay out of this thread but hi meight. Check your PM's.
As for the issue. You play in CAL. If you dont agree with the rules or how the CAL admin carries out the rules, you're free to join another league. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You suspended him from a league he already quit.
You got him there!
As for the issue. You play in CAL. If you dont agree with the rules or how the CAL admin carries out the rules, you're free to join another league.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Congrats, you are one step closer to killing competitive ns
PS: If it wasn't easy to tell, I was talking to Hsu and not taylor, that is all
*edit* ahh dude....
you toally rocked everyone in this thread then edited your reply...
because we're all "spin doctors", and not a shred of truth exists in what we have said, right guys
because we're all "spin doctors", and not a shred of truth exists in what we have said, right guys <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's too bad titanium edited his reply, becuase it is nice to have the other persons point of view - and judging from how I'm the only guy who apparently saw it - yeah - I'd say yeah, you're spinning the truth.
because we're all "spin doctors", and not a shred of truth exists in what we have said, right guys <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's too bad titanium edited his reply, becuase it is nice to have the other persons point of view - and judging from how I'm the only guy who apparently saw it - yeah - I'd say yeah, you're spinning the truth. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are not making a convincing argument, sir.
If they want to take their ball and go home it's their choice, if they want revenge they can come play in NSI. If they want to keep crying about the finals they have only themselves to blame for you know, not playing them.
And I for one see no reason to play a grudge after having the game on origin we gave them late last night being thrown in our faces as a 1-1. I assured my team that Exigent only wanted to play for fun and yet here it is on the NS forums that they are claiming it as part of the finals when they implicitly stated that they would not do that. I had my half asleep team come and play them hoping that Taylor's depths of treachery would not sink this deep but it's sad to say that is has. I'm confident he will say and do anything to further his own ends (and thereby his teams) and am truly thankful he is a high school drop out because if he attempted this kind of crap in the real world he would not last long.
You guys (the non competitive community who really have no need for this crap) are free to believe what you want of this ordeal, it's done and over to us. Good luck next season if you want to come crawling back.
You are not making a convincing argument, sir. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If titanium edited his reply he obviously doesnt want me to retype out what it was.
Chamois: You dodged the issue and you resorted to childish personal insults... I'm dissapointed. Also, I didn't claim the 2nd half of origin to be part of the finals, I just stated that we played later... that's it. If someone else said that it was part of the finals, I'm sorry because that's dishonest. And I don't think anyone (except maybe Pain, but he shouldn't be (onoez I'm not his 'yesman'?)) is calling CAL corrupt.
Please reread
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If a server is unsuitable for match play, a replacement must be found. If an objection is made prior to the half commencing and the server is deemed unplayable by a CAL admin, then a new server must be found.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do beleive HSU is getting a bad rap here. He's got a <i>thankless</i> constant job. He might have mad a bad call and the most inopurtune moment, but he's only human. I think the following quote sums up everything in one single, yet pertinant question:
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[21:50] <CAL-ns|Brett> how about common sense?
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...why?
Let's overthrow the CAL admins plz. RIOT!!!11111
Oh wait this is the internet.
Let's overthrow the CAL admins plz. RIOT!!!11111
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I've got my e-crew lined up and waiting.
We sat for hours trying to accomodate for your problem. You repeatedly said it wasn't the server, it was your isp, and yet here you are whining about how we denied you a new server.
And all this time no one in our clan has brought up the fact that you attempted to yet again deny telling us your map choice until the very last moment. And this season you did not even hide the fact that you were deliberately doing it to screw us, with syckness stating "You were being jerks, now it's time to return the favor"
And then you ask us to postpone our scheduled match for you, halfway through it. You ask us to stay up ungodly hours until it's convenient for you to play. Do not pretend we are friends when it suits your needs, the animosity between our teams is plain as day and yet still we tried to accomodate you beyond what we were required to do. We also gave you the benefit of the doubt that you would not pull some absurd whiney **** if we agreed to play you for fun and nothing more after that, and look what it gets us.
There is no winning with Exigent unless everything goes your way. I will be surprised if anyone on my team attempts to go out of their way for you again. I've always given your clan the benefit of the doubt because of the past relations you shared with HAM (HAM guys, HAM) in the 2.0 days. But from now on I'm sorry to say I can't as long as you continue to echo the lies and half truths that come out of Pain User's mouth.
If you want to continue to embroil the NS community in this crap, that's fine. But never ask our clan for favors again. There was never any comraderie to begin with, but now the mutual respect that two top teams should have for another is gone as well. I don't care about reparations or blame at this point, it's done and over. The least you could do is stop annoying everyone else with OUR issues.
The more you act like you are victims the more it solidifies my stance on your clan
I'm sorry the finals ended this way because we truly intended to kick some **** this time around. And we would enjoy meeting your clan in NSI or next season if you choose to come back, but this issue is dead. Now if you'll excuse me I must go back to my alcohol bender in celebration of being a CAL champion.
You didn't shop around for servers. You keep saying you were willing to switch servers, but you always forget to mention that you'd only switch servers on the condition that we forfeit the 2nd half of origin, come on don't be dishonest.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We sat for hours trying to accomodate for your problem. You repeatedly said it wasn't the server, it was your isp, and yet here you are whining about how we denied you a new server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But you WEREN'T trying to accomodate our problem or you would've agreed to go to a new server with 1-0 in your advantadge. You didn't do that... Yes, we're here 'whining' about how you denied us a new server, because YOU DID. You only agreed to go to a new server if we forfeited the 2nd half of origin.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And all this time no one in our clan has brought up the fact that you attempted to yet again deny telling us your map choice until the very last moment. And this season you did not even hide the fact that you were deliberately doing it to screw us, with syckness stating "You were being jerks, now it's time to return the favor"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not sure what you're talking about. A CAL admin came on our vent pretty early in the week (Monday, maybe Tuesday) and we told him our map then and there... if you didn't know our map choice... talk to the CAL admins.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And then you ask us to postpone our scheduled match for you, halfway through it. You ask us to stay up ungodly hours until it's convenient for you to play. Do not pretend we are friends when it suits your needs, the animosity between our teams is plain as day and yet still we tried to accomodate you beyond what we were required to do. We also gave you the benefit of the doubt that you would not pull some absurd whiney **** if we agreed to play you for fun and nothing more after that, and look what it gets us.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We asked you to reschedule, since you wouldn't let us play on a fair server. How are we being unreasonable? The reason you stayed up so late is because you repeatedly said we couldn't change servers. If, after the first origin round, you agreed to switch servers, we would've been playing 5-10 minutes after that. No big deal. You decided to be unfair about the server selection and force us to play on a server where 4 of our 6 members (including 2 of 3 higher lifeforms) were having some pretty bad freezing problems. Put the blame on us and use an overexaggerated, angry tone all you want, it doesn't change what happened.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no winning with Exigent unless everything goes your way. I will be surprised if anyone on my team attempts to go out of their way for you again. I've always given your clan the benefit of the doubt because of the past relations you shared with HAM (HAM guys, HAM) in the 2.0 days. But from now on I'm sorry to say I can't as long as you continue to echo the lies and half truths that come out of Pain User's mouth.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You accuse us of spouting half truths while constantly saying things like: "We shopped around for servers for 3 hours while your clan was busy on NSradio making **** up."
Which just isn't true at all... AGAIN: You only offered to switch servers if we forfeited the 2nd half of origin. Annihilator made this VERY clear in MM1.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you want to continue to embroil the NS community in this crap, that's fine. But never ask our clan for favors again. There was never any comraderie to begin with, but now the mutual respect that two top teams should have for another is gone as well. I don't care about reparations or blame at this point, it's done and over. The least you could do is stop annoying everyone else with OUR issues.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm telling people what happened. If they don't want to read, that's fine <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
A lot of people have been quoting this snippet as evidence that the match should have been able to change servers at the half. The only problem with that is this:
Exigent never claimed the server to be unplayable. They said it was their ISP. They said changing servers would not fix it.
A forfeit win for the finals isn't anything anyone would want. It doesn't prove anything. I'm sure Terror wanted to play just as much as Exigent did. The only difference is that Terror didn't have 6-10 hours to wait for Exigent's ping issues to stop.
You people know what it is right? Having FUN that is? That is the purpose of games, right? FUN?
Or am I way in the dark now?
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This is not the place to hold a trial or judgement of either Terror, Exi or CAL. If you have a complaint to either of these, take it to them.