Yeah, i was getting tired of Cold Turn so I took some time and did another easier part. I'll probably get to texturing both
Here is a teaser. Guess the location? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Don't use those NS textures in with the HL2 ones. Looks fine lazer, maybe use some props for things such as pipes and I personally don't like the plain walls.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thaldarin+Jul 31 2005, 05:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thaldarin @ Jul 31 2005, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Don't use those NS textures in with the HL2 ones. Looks fine lazer, maybe use some props for things such as pipes and I personally don't like the plain walls. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. When some hires NS textures come out that's one of the first places they're going. The light on the ceiling is a prop, it just doesn't have a good texture on it. So is the panel next to the door complete with an animated screen. The brushwork pipes on the ceiling and in the vents were just thrown in quickly so I could snap a screenshot without it looking too empty.
Another suggestion, transparent floors to make the area look busier? Maybe a vent across the ceiling? A fixing on the wall with a jet of steam coming out?
Good textures would make a huge difference in most of those shots. Maybe a texture sourcification topic would be in order?
I've experimented a little and the result is not THAT awfull, allthough it would be much better(and much more time consuming) to remake the textures from scratch. Unexpectedly normal map generation is quite easy to do well with a combination of nvidia's photoshop plugins and some hand drawing.
Nice lazer. I love those corridors because it really made me feel immersed in the game. I always wondered what was behind the doors and the whole layout feels so real, so much so that I have a homage planned for it in ns_solace.
I guess what you've got to do is ask yourself how you could make that corridor even more realistic. Go back and look at Nancy and think about what the mappers haven't been able to do there on the HL engine that you could maybe do on Source.
I'd start by de-flattening that door. Try pushing the door further into the wall so there's an actual threshold to stand in. You'll also notice that the corridor's pretty dark. I think that's probably to save energy, but you'd expect to have a light over the doorway so that you can see who's standing outside your door before you answer.
Thald's right about the floor/ceiling. Think about how buildings are designed. The light fixtures are usually on the ceiling and they usually have power conduits running through the space above the ceiling. If this is a <i>truckers in space</i> scenario, the designers might not be so bothered about hiding the pipes, instead having them secured behind grates so that they can easily locate problems and access the conduits to fix it.
Give yourself an Modus Operandae as the interior designer of this vessel. What are your priorities: looks or functionality? Is this section of the map for prolonged use or just to be passed through? Where does it lead to? Who's going to use the corridor? Does the floor need to be flat/grippy/grooved?
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<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Aug 1 2005, 03:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Aug 1 2005, 03:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Good textures would make a huge difference in most of those shots. Maybe a texture sourcification topic would be in order?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're <b><i>way</i></b> behind the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86672' target='_blank'>times</a>. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sadly, it seems the project has gone inactive. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-coris+Aug 2 2005, 07:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Aug 2 2005, 07:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You havent mapped much, have you? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
@Lazer well the style looks like nancy, but there's no room on nancy that has that door to the right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> True but what I showed was a concept hallway not really a specific place in the map.
<!--QuoteBegin-Archimedes+Aug 2 2005, 07:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Archimedes @ Aug 2 2005, 07:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey, here is my entry (Work in Progress): It's the room from co_sava that is near the marine spawn. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I happen to be a very big fan of Mendasp's work. He does a great job whatever project he works on. Unfortuantly, I don't think your room does justice to that room at all. Maybe it's because Mendasp does such a great job with really using the textures to their full potential but your room feels somewhat flat and lifeless. It seems like you just slapped on a generic texture while at the same time loseing some of the detail that Mendasp does with brushwork. I also don't think the water fits the scene there.
Way to give positive feedback, KFDM. Man the irony train is turning into the Mapping Forum <i>bike</i> these days...
What he meant to say was: <i>I can see that, like me, you like Mendasp's work enough to want to pay it homage by making a Source version. What makes Mendy's work so great is that he uses the textures so well in his work, so maybe you should bear that in mind. Try getting the proportions and angles right in the room and choose a texture that really suits it. It doesn't have to be a similar looking texture, just one that fits the scene. The water's interesting, I'm intrigued as to how it might turn out.</i>
Maybe that's not what he meant to say, but he came across as fairly agressive, which, coming from someone who's always complaining about being put down for his mapping, is kind of <i>pot-kettle</i>.
That looks like holoroom to me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Freddeh+Aug 3 2005, 09:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Freddeh @ Aug 3 2005, 09:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That looks like holoroom to me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Indeed...but I think when the question of "Which one" the poster was talking of which mod TD was talking about.
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Work on your texturing and lighting. I can't tell whether some of the things in those shots are intentional effects or graphical bugs. The prefabs don't look like they belong there either.
No offense man, but damn, that's fugly. I'd recommend completely redoing the lighting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No offence taken. However, telling me to redo the lighting doesnt help me any. What is so bad about it? Please tell me what I'm going wrong and how I can improve it instead of just saying it isn't that great and re do it.
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The strips of lights inside of the railing just aren't working for you. Its filling the room with weird ambient light, and making the rails look like they are glowing. The yellow spotlight is a good start.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However, telling me to redo the lighting doesnt help me any. What is so bad about it? Please tell me what I'm going wrong and how I can improve it instead of just saying it isn't that great and re do it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It does look a bit better than the first shots, I'll give you that. I'll try to provide some useful comments.
- The lighting looks way too flat. The room is filled with light, and yet from the first shot you can only clearly see one single light fixture. Where is all that light coming from? Pay attention to real life locations, and especially the amount of lights found in them, especially if there's no sun light available.
- The color scheme is way off. You have some very strong white, and then yellow, blue and orange, while most of the level is grey.
- The railings are overly bright when compared to, say, the floor. They pretty much look like they are glowing with an inner fire.
And on a more off topic note, can anyone present their reasons to me for using those template textures? I find it just... wrong.
For some reason, the railings seem to "glow" no matter what kind of lighting I put in. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think i'll just ditch the model railings, they are more trouble then they are worth, and just stick with my brush-based ones.
<!--QuoteBegin-Lazer+Jul 31 2005, 11:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Jul 31 2005, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I posted this on the HL2World forums so I guess I'll post this here too:
Any suggestions? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice work Lazer. That actually looks impressive. I'm not seeing how using Hl2 textures somehow makes it better than using the NS ones. Low resolution or not, It doesnt have the right atmosphere or style if it isnt using the NS texture set.
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Here is a teaser. Guess the location? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://www.raspberryheaven.net/~deathscythe/topo0000.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I guess it's topo <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Any suggestions?
Agreed. When some hires NS textures come out that's one of the first places they're going. The light on the ceiling is a prop, it just doesn't have a good texture on it. So is the panel next to the door complete with an animated screen. The brushwork pipes on the ceiling and in the vents were just thrown in quickly so I could snap a screenshot without it looking too empty.
I've experimented a little and the result is not THAT awfull, allthough it would be much better(and much more time consuming) to remake the textures from scratch. Unexpectedly normal map generation is quite easy to do well with a combination of nvidia's photoshop plugins and some hand drawing.
I guess what you've got to do is ask yourself how you could make that corridor even more realistic. Go back and look at Nancy and think about what the mappers haven't been able to do there on the HL engine that you could maybe do on Source.
I'd start by de-flattening that door. Try pushing the door further into the wall so there's an actual threshold to stand in. You'll also notice that the corridor's pretty dark. I think that's probably to save energy, but you'd expect to have a light over the doorway so that you can see who's standing outside your door before you answer.
Thald's right about the floor/ceiling. Think about how buildings are designed. The light fixtures are usually on the ceiling and they usually have power conduits running through the space above the ceiling. If this is a <i>truckers in space</i> scenario, the designers might not be so bothered about hiding the pipes, instead having them secured behind grates so that they can easily locate problems and access the conduits to fix it.
Give yourself an Modus Operandae as the interior designer of this vessel. What are your priorities: looks or functionality? Is this section of the map for prolonged use or just to be passed through? Where does it lead to? Who's going to use the corridor? Does the floor need to be flat/grippy/grooved?
etc.
You're <b><i>way</i></b> behind the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86672' target='_blank'>times</a>. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sadly, it seems the project has gone inactive. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It's the room from co_sava that is near the marine spawn.
Before:
<img src='http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1533/savabefore7wp.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
After:
<img src='http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9110/savaafter5jp.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Comments appreciated <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
@Lazer well the style looks like nancy, but there's no room on nancy that has that door to the right.
@Lazer well the style looks like nancy, but there's no room on nancy that has that door to the right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
True but what I showed was a concept hallway not really a specific place in the map.
It's the room from co_sava that is near the marine spawn. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I happen to be a very big fan of Mendasp's work. He does a great job whatever project he works on. Unfortuantly, I don't think your room does justice to that room at all. Maybe it's because Mendasp does such a great job with really using the textures to their full potential but your room feels somewhat flat and lifeless. It seems like you just slapped on a generic texture while at the same time loseing some of the detail that Mendasp does with brushwork. I also don't think the water fits the scene there.
What he meant to say was:
<i>I can see that, like me, you like Mendasp's work enough to want to pay it homage by making a Source version. What makes Mendy's work so great is that he uses the textures so well in his work, so maybe you should bear that in mind. Try getting the proportions and angles right in the room and choose a texture that really suits it. It doesn't have to be a similar looking texture, just one that fits the scene. The water's interesting, I'm intrigued as to how it might turn out.</i>
Frankly, I don't see what's wrong with what he said.
<a href='http://destroyer.evilsquid.net/files/pictures/nssource/hera0000.jpg' target='_blank'>1</a>
<a href='http://destroyer.evilsquid.net/files/pictures/nssource/hera0001.jpg' target='_blank'>2</a>
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Dunno if I'll finish it, though. I have a mod to work on. =/
Which one what?
[EDIT]Epicenter is the mod, if thats what you ment. Didnt want to post it unless someone asked. =/[/EDIT]
Indeed...but I think when the question of "Which one" the poster was talking of which mod TD was talking about.
Pics:
<img src='http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1210/cosava00062ta.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3281/cosava00095ht.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6888/cosava00086kw.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1076/cosava00072oz.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I hope this looks better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Work on your texturing and lighting. I can't tell whether some of the things in those shots are intentional effects or graphical bugs. The prefabs don't look like they belong there either.
No offense man, but damn, that's fugly. I'd recommend completely redoing the lighting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No offence taken.
However, telling me to redo the lighting doesnt help me any. What is so bad about it? Please tell me what I'm going wrong and how I can improve it instead of just saying it isn't that great and re do it.
It does look a bit better than the first shots, I'll give you that. I'll try to provide some useful comments.
- The lighting looks way too flat. The room is filled with light, and yet from the first shot you can only clearly see one single light fixture. Where is all that light coming from? Pay attention to real life locations, and especially the amount of lights found in them, especially if there's no sun light available.
- The color scheme is way off. You have some very strong white, and then yellow, blue and orange, while most of the level is grey.
- The railings are overly bright when compared to, say, the floor. They pretty much look like they are glowing with an inner fire.
And on a more off topic note, can anyone present their reasons to me for using those template textures? I find it just... wrong.
For some reason, the railings seem to "glow" no matter what kind of lighting I put in.
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think i'll just ditch the model railings, they are more trouble then they are worth, and just stick with my brush-based ones.
Any suggestions? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nice work Lazer. That actually looks impressive. I'm not seeing how using Hl2 textures somehow makes it better than using the NS ones. Low resolution or not, It doesnt have the right atmosphere or style if it isnt using the NS texture set.