Natural Selection Vista Support?

Elite_NoobElite_Noob Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34158Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
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I have Windows Vista and things are off graphically in the game. Anyone have any tips or tricks to get Natural Selection to run perfectly if not good is enough on Windows Vista.

Thanks,
ELiTE NooB
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  • kiddokiddo Join Date: 2007-01-07 Member: 59503Members
    I really doubt they could do anything right now. Since vista just came out, it lacks many things such as drivers, service packs..ect so right now not many things will support vista. (because its fairly new) Just give it some time till vista gets more support, till then its still kind of floating there.
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  • exoityexoity Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14620Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Trying posting a screen shot or two so we can see what it looks like.

    Also post your graphics card (and make sure any supported vista drivers are updated).
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  • theBIGonetheBIGone Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13099Members
    i run vista, but i play ns on xp, because of the stupid gamma problem, but it seemed to run fine an vista..
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  • BombBomb Australia Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13766Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2007
    I heard on the Radio today MS were threatening to sue nVidia over drivers they claimed are 100% compatable with their cards. This could be related to your problem.


    Anyone know if ATI are having the same probs?
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  • Elite_NoobElite_Noob Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34158Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I don't know about the suing subject. But I tried it on the Final Vista Release and I was using the ATI Catalyst 7.1 Vista drivers. I got a Radeon 9800 Pro XT 256mb

    <a href="http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/vista32/common-vista32.html" target="_blank">VISTA ATI DRIVERS</a>
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  • StormieStormie Join Date: 2007-01-01 Member: 59370Members, Constellation
    i'm having the same exact problems. wonder if they'll ever fix it.
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  • PostawaPostawa Join Date: 2007-02-08 Member: 59912Members
    Of course it doesn't work. Vista does NOT support opengl, which is required to play half-life. Although you can use software mode or direct 3D. Both modes do not work well, be aware.
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  • Termy58Termy58 Join Date: 2006-10-31 Member: 58102Members
    Yes it is...
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  • ultranewbultranewb Pro Bug Hunter Join Date: 2004-07-21 Member: 30026Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1604966:date=Feb 8 2007, 07:16 PM:name=Postawa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Postawa @ Feb 8 2007, 07:16 PM) [snapback]1604966[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Of course it doesn't work. Vista does NOT support opengl, which is required to play half-life. Although you can use software mode or direct 3D. Both modes do not work well, be aware.
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    Pretty funny that it works in OpenGL in Vista. FUD.
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  • Elite_NoobElite_Noob Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34158Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Here's a screen shot of what the scoreboard looks like. Everything is just dim no matter how much you raise the gamma. Plus other things like when you use the right-click menu the pointer is broken and in CO you can't see your level bar.

    <img src="http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/ns_elite_noob/NS/ns1.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

    <img src="http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/ns_elite_noob/NS/ns2.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
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  • ThekiddThekidd Join Date: 2003-10-26 Member: 22012Members, Constellation
    edited February 2007
    I am having the same problem with my new system, reaaly have to tweek the brightness/gamma. Even then the icon's of drop items such as rt and heath and ammo ect are just black. I tryed to go com in a game the only button i could see was logout...LOL
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  • LoFiLoFi Join Date: 2006-12-26 Member: 59259Members, Constellation
    edited February 2007
    I'm having the same problems, in addition to a mouse lag problem that popped up in vista. its a very slight lag between physical mouse movement and on-screen movement. It's most visible when dragging windows around, like server list, settings, etc... (window movement lags behind on-screen mouse's movement) but it affects in game movement as well. It doesnt seem to affect keyboard input, although it might be that im just not noticing it.

    I've had this mouselag problem in the past with HL1 mods, usually seemed to crop up after a video driver update or a steam/engine update.

    I'm using these launch parameters: -dev -noforcemparms (<- not even sure if this is doing anything) -noforcemaccel -noforcemspeed (<- to axe the in-game mouse acceleration)

    The lag is there with windows mouse acceleration both on and off.

    Also, i noticed in the screen shots posted above, their scoreboard icons are visible. Mine are all just black silhouettes.

    Quick specs for the record:

    WinVista Ultimate x64
    p4 3.0ghz
    1gb RAM
    geforce 7800GT 256mb w/97.46 drivers
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  • Lt_PatchLt_Patch Join Date: 2005-02-07 Member: 40286Members
    Ok, first things first. Until Half-Life is fully supported under Vista, then no mods will be. Ever. You can't give support for something, when the product it's based on isn't supported in your configuration/

    @<b>Elite_Noob</b>: Your problem is that you're running NS under a 64-bit OS. The gamma ramp issue is known under ALL 64-bit OSes. Add the line "cl_gammaramp 0" to your config.cfg file.
    The other issue you have is you're running NS in too low a screen res. NS has issues with anything below 800x600, and not everythig is perfect even at 800x600. Run it in 1024x768 and see if the problem persists.

    @<b>Lofi</b>: Same fix as above.

    The Gamma ramp problem was covered AGES ago, under XP x64. It was confirmed then, that it's a problem with 64-bit OSes. I can't help any further, with mouse issues, because I don't run Vista (yet).
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  • Elite_NoobElite_Noob Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34158Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1605287:date=Feb 10 2007, 06:30 AM:name=Lt_Patch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lt_Patch @ Feb 10 2007, 06:30 AM) [snapback]1605287[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Ok, first things first. Until Half-Life is fully supported under Vista, then no mods will be. Ever. You can't give support for something, when the product it's based on isn't supported in your configuration/

    @<b>Elite_Noob</b>: Your problem is that you're running NS under a 64-bit OS. The gamma ramp issue is known under ALL 64-bit OSes. Add the line "cl_gammaramp 0" to your config.cfg file.
    The other issue you have is you're running NS in too low a screen res. NS has issues with anything below 800x600, and not everythig is perfect even at 800x600. Run it in 1024x768 and see if the problem persists.

    @<b>Lofi</b>: Same fix as above.

    The Gamma ramp problem was covered AGES ago, under XP x64. It was confirmed then, that it's a problem with 64-bit OSes. I can't help any further, with mouse issues, because I don't run Vista (yet).
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    Actually I'm running Windows Vista 32bit (Vista Business, if it matters). I normally play NS under 800X600 but I already tried to play it in 1024X768 and it still is dim and lags a whole lot. The mouse issue is the same in any resolution I play NS in. I even tried is in D3D and Software mode along with OpenGL.

    Hopefully Valve wakes up and updates the Half-Life engine to work with Vista.
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  • Elite_NoobElite_Noob Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34158Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Is there any tweak I can do to make NS work properly?
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  • Liger_XT5Liger_XT5 Join Date: 2006-10-19 Member: 58080Members, Constellation
    well there might be some time when many FPS games support Vista, just take a look.
    <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/02/12/2212248.shtml" target="_blank">http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/02/12/2212248.shtml</a>

    So you are not the only one that has the problem
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  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Can anybody verify that cl_gammramp set to "1" does not fix this problem?
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  • Lt_PatchLt_Patch Join Date: 2005-02-07 Member: 40286Members
    The scoreboard, and blank icons are caused by incompatibilities with the gammaramp.
    Turning the gammaramp off (cl_gammaramp 0) will fix the graphical errors. It's a documented problem, and there is nothing that UWE can do about it. People just aren't willing to try any solutions given to them...
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  • HatlabuFarkasHatlabuFarkas Join Date: 2005-03-09 Member: 44496Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1604150:date=Feb 6 2007, 12:31 AM:name=Elite_Noob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Elite_Noob @ Feb 6 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]1604150[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have Windows Vista and things are off graphically in the game. Anyone have any tips or tricks to get Natural Selection to run perfectly if not good is enough on Windows Vista.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i vote AGAINST the vista. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad-fix.gif" />

    only for DX 10 i cannot wanna get this. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad-fix.gif" />
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  • Elite_NoobElite_Noob Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34158Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1606901:date=Feb 15 2007, 03:40 PM:name=aeroripper)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(aeroripper @ Feb 15 2007, 03:40 PM) [snapback]1606901[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Can anybody verify that cl_gammramp set to "1" does not fix this problem?
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    It doesn't work! I tried it. Next idea anyone?
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  • Termy58Termy58 Join Date: 2006-10-31 Member: 58102Members
    EVERY PROBLEM YOU EXPERIENCE WITH YOUR PC IS NOT FROM VISTA!
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  • Lt_PatchLt_Patch Join Date: 2005-02-07 Member: 40286Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1606993:date=Feb 16 2007, 02:33 AM:name=Elite_Noob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Elite_Noob @ Feb 16 2007, 02:33 AM) [snapback]1606993[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    It doesn't work! I tried it. Next idea anyone?
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    If someone gives you a possible fix, then actually try it.

    cl_gammaramp is set to 1 by default. This is why you're getting the problem.
    Use the following code to disable it...
    <!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->cl_gammaramp 0<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
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  • YannicYannic Join Date: 2004-09-06 Member: 31431Members
    I have the same issue of black HUD etc. as such I can't go Com and the comm menu has a black pointer graphic.

    Vista Ultimate 64 Bit
    Nvidia 6800 Ultra

    <a href="http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledlp2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2613/untitledlp2.th.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" /></a>
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  • Lt_PatchLt_Patch Join Date: 2005-02-07 Member: 40286Members
    Yannic, first of all, congratulations on finding a post with a problem similar to what you're experiencing. Instantly, you rank above pretty much all people who post in this subforum.
    Please try out some of the suggestions in other threads though, namingly graphics drivers (If available), and the time-honoured
    <!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->cl_gammaramp 0<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
    Which is known to fix this error...
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  • YannicYannic Join Date: 2004-09-06 Member: 31431Members
    Why thank you my young Skulk <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

    Much appreciated.
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  • Elite_NoobElite_Noob Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34158Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1607411:date=Feb 17 2007, 08:12 AM:name=Lt_Patch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lt_Patch @ Feb 17 2007, 08:12 AM) [snapback]1607411[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Yannic, first of all, congratulations on finding a post with a problem similar to what you're experiencing. Instantly, you rank above pretty much all people who post in this subforum.
    Please try out some of the suggestions in other threads though, namingly graphics drivers (If available), and the time-honoured
    <!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->cl_gammaramp 0<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
    Which is known to fix this error...
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Alright it plays, but it is still VERY dim. Any thoughts how to brighten it up?
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  • ThekiddThekidd Join Date: 2003-10-26 Member: 22012Members, Constellation
    Yes, thanks the 64 bit fix worked great. I knotice when i didnt put the 0 in Quotes "0" it acted weird, so i went back and changed it in the config.


    Elite_Noob the only sugestinon i can think of is to tweek the monitor brighteness, or go into the videocard advance controlls and tweek gamma (the game may or maynot override these). I have tweeked mine to where it actually looks pretty decient.
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  • ikirikir Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18265Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
    AFAIK visto doens't natively support OpenGL.... anyway Vista is a joke of an operating system and a MacOSX ripoff :-) If you need Windows... stick with XP.
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  • Lt_PatchLt_Patch Join Date: 2005-02-07 Member: 40286Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1608272:date=Feb 21 2007, 05:06 AM:name=Elite_Noob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Elite_Noob @ Feb 21 2007, 05:06 AM) [snapback]1608272[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Alright it plays, but it is still VERY dim. Any thoughts how to brighten it up?
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    Go into the Video section, and adjust the gamma and/or brightness up to a reasonable level. Disabling the gamma ramp means that the game relies on you telling it what gamma to set the whole thing at. Which you do in the video section, under Gamma...
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  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    All this stuff reminds me that I should not upgrade from WinXP Media Center ANY time soon. In fact, it makes me want to go make copies of my current harddrive.
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