<!--quoteo(post=1639712:date=Jul 19 2007, 06:22 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jul 19 2007, 06:22 PM) [snapback]1639712[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> So, how do we get devs to make games for it? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have had vista sitting on my desk for several months. I wonder if I should go ahead and install it. I'm sure I could afford to sacrifice a very small bit of performance for some sleek-looking desktop toys. even if there's no clear and present advantage to the OS.
Soul Rider, as much as I appreciate your enthusiasm, please don't make up facts.
A: DX isn't that much more impressive than OpenGL. OpenGL is acctually a pretty nice rendering suite, especially when you consider how customizable it is. B: Neither lunix nor OSX are just starting to adopt desktops now, they have both been doing it for a long time. Infact unix based PC's had desktops before windows was out. C: EVERYONE has used tonnes of Windows. You make alot of criticizism to OSX and Lunix, how much of those have you used?
From my experience the only thing Vista does that other OSes don't do better already is run games, and run windows exclusive software that everyone likes to code for some reason.
I'm not really up to date with vista... Other than 3D rendering bloat what did it acctually add that XP doesn't have? I assume they fixed the annoying as hell "LOL UPDATE ME" flashing icon that shuts down your computer with no warning by itself... but asside from removing stupid stuff they never should have added in the first place?
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1639745:date=Jul 19 2007, 08:20 PM:name=cerberus5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cerberus5 @ Jul 19 2007, 08:20 PM) [snapback]1639745[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Maybe I wasn't clear, i meant LAPTOP PC, not just a regular desktop. Unless you want to give me pointers on how to build a laptop because I honestly have no idea how to. A desktop doesn't work as a substitute for a college laptop. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> oh, want a laptop for college?
Buy a macbook pro, install OO on it.
Very good for productivity. Plus they are pure awesome.
If I had actual need for a laptop I would be getting a MBP flat out.
I don't really need a laptop, so instead I am building a new windows box for games.
<!--quoteo(post=1639820:date=Jul 20 2007, 12:15 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jul 20 2007, 12:15 PM) [snapback]1639820[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> oh, want a laptop for college?
Buy a macbook pro, install OO on it.
Very good for productivity. Plus they are pure awesome. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->... Mac Book Pros ... The price with tax came out to $3,060. ... customize a same PC ... The total came out to $1,800.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1639838:date=Jul 20 2007, 06:30 AM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ Jul 20 2007, 06:30 AM) [snapback]1639838[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Third, want to have a gaming machine? GET A FRIKIN DESKTOP! Laptops for premium gamming performance are overtly expensive. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I love how you play the "it's too expensive" card in the middle of a post trying to convince someone a hilariously overpriced Mac is a better choice.
<!--quoteo(post=1639839:date=Jul 20 2007, 09:41 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 20 2007, 09:41 AM) [snapback]1639839[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I love how you play the "it's too expensive" card in the middle of a post trying to convince someone a hilariously overpriced Mac is a better choice. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I love how you are bitterly cynical regardless. There is always something you want to pick at or whine at. *tempered response* Care to list what you use? *tempered response again*
I don't use laptops, I don't need 'em, but if I did, it wouldn't be a Macbook. There's no point in wasting that much money. I'm sorry if you don't like cynicism or something, but the fact of the matter is that a Macbook is not going to save you any money no matter how you roll the dice.
Before any of you starts dissing Dell, I will say that so far, I bought 5 computers from them in the past 5 years (4 desktops and 1 laptop). All 5 are still working..... Flawlessly.
<!--quoteo(post=1639000:date=Jul 15 2007, 02:36 AM:name=Faskalia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia @ Jul 15 2007, 02:36 AM) [snapback]1639000[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Wait, what is so integral different about mac that they don't need AV? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Market share.
<!--quoteo(post=1639711:date=Jul 19 2007, 05:15 PM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Jul 19 2007, 05:15 PM) [snapback]1639711[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> We need a new OS. Something not related to Unix or Windoze or MacOS. Something revolutionary. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wish there was some good incentive for google to make an OS.
someone really should make a really good Mac virus - one that takes out like every Mac... not that I particularly hate Macs, I just think it would be hilarious, because no one would see it coming...
<!--quoteo(post=1639892:date=Jul 20 2007, 01:20 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Jul 20 2007, 01:20 PM) [snapback]1639892[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> someone really should make a really good Mac virus - one that takes out like every Mac... not that I particularly hate Macs, I just think it would be hilarious, because no one would see it coming... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The latest guy to make a Mac virus received death threats. So you might want to spend your time on something else.
<!--quoteo(post=1639849:date=Jul 20 2007, 05:54 PM:name=cerberus5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cerberus5 @ Jul 20 2007, 05:54 PM) [snapback]1639849[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Before any of you starts dissing Dell, I will say that so far, I bought 5 computers from them in the past 5 years (4 desktops and 1 laptop). All 5 are still working..... Flawlessly. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I bought a laptop from them, but I'd NEVER buy a desktop from dell. Putting it together myself is just so much cheaper :/
<!--quoteo(post=1639882:date=Jul 20 2007, 09:49 PM:name=Soylent_green)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soylent_green @ Jul 20 2007, 09:49 PM) [snapback]1639882[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wish there was some good incentive for google to make an OS.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It'd be free, but they'd reserve the right to scan the data on your hard-drive to insert targeted ads. It'd also remain in beta permanently.
<!--quoteo(post=1639814:date=Jul 20 2007, 11:14 AM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Swiftspear @ Jul 20 2007, 11:14 AM) [snapback]1639814[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> A: DX isn't that much more impressive than OpenGL. OpenGL is acctually a pretty nice rendering suite, especially when you consider how customizable it is. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Except your forgetting that DirectX does much more. DirectInput and DirectSound are immensly useful if your making a game as they give you a silly amount of low level access to these things if you want.
No, that was 100% serious. You appear to have some latent problem with cynicism above and beyond the message it contains; that something is cynical is somehow enough to devalue it in your eyes. I'm not sure where that comes from or why you feel that way, but it's irrelevant. The Macbook costs more money than it ought to and whether or not that's cynical, it's a fact.
<!--quoteo(post=1639897:date=Jul 20 2007, 04:25 PM:name=Rover)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rover @ Jul 20 2007, 04:25 PM) [snapback]1639897[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I bought a laptop from them, but I'd NEVER buy a desktop from dell. Putting it together myself is just so much cheaper :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So where can I find laptop barebones? and laptop components?
<!--quoteo(post=1639948:date=Jul 20 2007, 10:55 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 20 2007, 10:55 PM) [snapback]1639948[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> No, that was 100% serious. You appear to have some latent problem with cynicism above and beyond the message it contains; that something is cynical is somehow enough to devalue it in your eyes. I'm not sure where that comes from or why you feel that way, but it's irrelevant. The Macbook costs more money than it ought to and whether or not that's cynical, it's a fact. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1639950:date=Jul 20 2007, 08:00 PM:name=cerberus5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cerberus5 @ Jul 20 2007, 08:00 PM) [snapback]1639950[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> So where can I find laptop barebones? and laptop components? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sell 'em (somewhere) but you're probably better off, dude, getting a Dell. Or some other company. It's a good bit of trouble to build your own notebook computer and since you can't hotswap parts like a desktop, it's good to have someone to send it back to in order to repair the thing.
You can actually build a laptop with more or less off the shelf components nowadays (see: mini-itx, nano-itx, pico-itx). Of course, you'd need to pretty much build a case from scratch, and find a way to get the battery to work, and end up paying alot more than just buying a pre-built. But it would be easy to upgrade and replace components.
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Really this debate boils down to simple truths:
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU" target="_blank">The definitive reason to stay with XP</a> - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Ys0J4rvFQ" target="_blank">Some good reasons to upgrade to Vista</a> - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chnI2JGuv6w" target="_blank">Macs can hold their own</a> - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1OxkFOK18" target="_blank">And then there's Linux</a>
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Half the threads on the forum, which revolve around a subject that has different opinions that can be sided, are all about trolling. It's pure vendetta. I rarely read "Oh, well then Iam mistaken" or "You have a good point there, I have to agree" Without some cheap comeback in form of "facts" and insults and questioning of the counterparts sexuality.
<!--quoteo(post=1639991:date=Jul 21 2007, 05:10 AM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Jul 21 2007, 05:10 AM) [snapback]1639991[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Half the threads on the forum, which revolve around a subject that has different opinions that can be sided, are all about trolling. It's pure vendetta. I rarely read "Oh, well then Iam mistaken" or "You have a good point there, I have to agree" Without some cheap comeback in form of "facts" and insults and questioning of the counterparts sexuality. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1639975:date=Jul 21 2007, 03:15 AM:name=T_h_e_m)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(T_h_e_m @ Jul 21 2007, 03:15 AM) [snapback]1639975[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Really this debate boils down to simple truths:
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU" target="_blank">The definitive reason to stay with XP</a> - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Ys0J4rvFQ" target="_blank">Some good reasons to upgrade to Vista</a> - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chnI2JGuv6w" target="_blank">Macs can hold their own</a> - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1OxkFOK18" target="_blank">And then there's Linux</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The only 100% true comment in this thread. Good job stickman! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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So, how do we get devs to make games for it?
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We make it so it can run windows games.
A: DX isn't that much more impressive than OpenGL. OpenGL is acctually a pretty nice rendering suite, especially when you consider how customizable it is.
B: Neither lunix nor OSX are just starting to adopt desktops now, they have both been doing it for a long time. Infact unix based PC's had desktops before windows was out.
C: EVERYONE has used tonnes of Windows. You make alot of criticizism to OSX and Lunix, how much of those have you used?
From my experience the only thing Vista does that other OSes don't do better already is run games, and run windows exclusive software that everyone likes to code for some reason.
I'm not really up to date with vista... Other than 3D rendering bloat what did it acctually add that XP doesn't have? I assume they fixed the annoying as hell "LOL UPDATE ME" flashing icon that shuts down your computer with no warning by itself... but asside from removing stupid stuff they never should have added in the first place?
Maybe I wasn't clear, i meant LAPTOP PC, not just a regular desktop. Unless you want to give me pointers on how to build a laptop because I honestly have no idea how to. A desktop doesn't work as a substitute for a college laptop.
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oh, want a laptop for college?
Buy a macbook pro, install OO on it.
Very good for productivity. Plus they are pure awesome.
If I had actual need for a laptop I would be getting a MBP flat out.
I don't really need a laptop, so instead I am building a new windows box for games.
oh, want a laptop for college?
Buy a macbook pro, install OO on it.
Very good for productivity. Plus they are pure awesome.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->... Mac Book Pros ... The price with tax came out to $3,060. ... customize a same PC ... The total came out to $1,800.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
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Yeah...
>_>
or not.
Hardware != OS Software, for one
Second... Dell? Dell?! Oh nevermind...
(You'd be suprised what that MacBook you downplayed in that PM to me can do by the way)
Third, want to have a gaming machine? GET A FRIKIN DESKTOP! Laptops for premium gamming performance are overtly expensive.
I have an XP Pro OS running customized gaming desktop. For a laptop I think my next system will be a MacBook.
Third, want to have a gaming machine? GET A FRIKIN DESKTOP! Laptops for premium gamming performance are overtly expensive.
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I love how you play the "it's too expensive" card in the middle of a post trying to convince someone a hilariously overpriced Mac is a better choice.
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I love how you are bitterly cynical regardless. There is always something you want to pick at or whine at. *tempered response* Care to list what you use? *tempered response again*
Wait, what is so integral different about mac that they don't need AV?
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Market share.
<!--quoteo(post=1639711:date=Jul 19 2007, 05:15 PM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Jul 19 2007, 05:15 PM) [snapback]1639711[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
We need a new OS. Something not related to Unix or Windoze or MacOS.
Something revolutionary.
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I wish there was some good incentive for google to make an OS.
someone really should make a really good Mac virus - one that takes out like every Mac... not that I particularly hate Macs, I just think it would be hilarious, because no one would see it coming...
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The latest guy to make a Mac virus received death threats. So you might want to spend your time on something else.
Before any of you starts dissing Dell, I will say that so far, I bought 5 computers from them in the past 5 years (4 desktops and 1 laptop). All 5 are still working..... Flawlessly.
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I bought a laptop from them, but I'd NEVER buy a desktop from dell. Putting it together myself is just so much cheaper :/
It'd be free, but they'd reserve the right to scan the data on your hard-drive to insert targeted ads. It'd also remain in beta permanently.
A: DX isn't that much more impressive than OpenGL. OpenGL is acctually a pretty nice rendering suite, especially when you consider how customizable it is.
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Except your forgetting that DirectX does much more. DirectInput and DirectSound are immensly useful if your making a game as they give you a silly amount of low level access to these things if you want.
more sarcasm <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
more sarcasm <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
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No, that was 100% serious. You appear to have some latent problem with cynicism above and beyond the message it contains; that something is cynical is somehow enough to devalue it in your eyes. I'm not sure where that comes from or why you feel that way, but it's irrelevant. The Macbook costs more money than it ought to and whether or not that's cynical, it's a fact.
I bought a laptop from them, but I'd NEVER buy a desktop from dell. Putting it together myself is just so much cheaper :/
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So where can I find laptop barebones? and laptop components?
No, that was 100% serious. You appear to have some latent problem with cynicism above and beyond the message it contains; that something is cynical is somehow enough to devalue it in your eyes. I'm not sure where that comes from or why you feel that way, but it's irrelevant. The Macbook costs more money than it ought to and whether or not that's cynical, it's a fact.
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<img src="http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/uploads/2006/08/nerd.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
So where can I find laptop barebones? and laptop components?
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They sell 'em (somewhere) but you're probably better off, dude, getting a Dell. Or some other company. It's a good bit of trouble to build your own notebook computer and since you can't hotswap parts like a desktop, it's good to have someone to send it back to in order to repair the thing.
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU" target="_blank">The definitive reason to stay with XP</a>
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Ys0J4rvFQ" target="_blank">Some good reasons to upgrade to Vista</a>
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chnI2JGuv6w" target="_blank">Macs can hold their own</a>
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1OxkFOK18" target="_blank">And then there's Linux</a>
Half the threads on the forum, which revolve around a subject that has different opinions that can be sided, are all about trolling. It's pure vendetta. I rarely read "Oh, well then Iam mistaken" or "You have a good point there, I have to agree" Without some cheap comeback in form of "facts" and insults and questioning of the counterparts sexuality.
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Exactly what I'd expect from a fairy like you.
Really this debate boils down to simple truths:
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU" target="_blank">The definitive reason to stay with XP</a>
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Ys0J4rvFQ" target="_blank">Some good reasons to upgrade to Vista</a>
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chnI2JGuv6w" target="_blank">Macs can hold their own</a>
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1OxkFOK18" target="_blank">And then there's Linux</a>
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thread over
Picture related.
Also, Dell suck.
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The only 100% true comment in this thread. Good job stickman! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />