ENSL NA Div 1 Finals (Nexzil v All-In), Jan 27th, 2013

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The ENSL NA Division 1 Finals match between Nexzil and All-In will be ocurring tomorrow (Jan 27th, 2013) at 4:30pm PST/7:30pm EST.
Bracket: <a href="http://www.ensl.org/contests/139" target="_blank">http://www.ensl.org/contests/139</a>
Stream: <a href="http://www.twitch.tv/naturalselection2" target="_blank">http://www.twitch.tv/naturalselection2</a>
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  • AzaralAzaral Join Date: 2012-11-19 Member: 172408Members
    Do you mean the 28th?
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  • casan0vaxcasan0vax Cloverfield, USA Join Date: 2012-11-04 Member: 166663Members, WC 2013 - Shadow
    I'm pretty sure he meant 27th. As in, Sunday.

    Regardless, I'm amped for this match and will definitely be watching.

    Good luck to both teams!
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  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Place your bets now, ladies and gentlemen.
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  • derWalterderWalter Join Date: 2008-10-29 Member: 65323Members
    X-0
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  • TSADroneTSADrone Join Date: 2012-12-01 Member: 173807Members
    Nexzil something-0, All-In are terrible, Some in Nexzil are half decent.
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  • AzaralAzaral Join Date: 2012-11-19 Member: 172408Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2067297:date=Jan 26 2013, 10:53 PM:name=casan0vax)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (casan0vax @ Jan 26 2013, 10:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2067297"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm pretty sure he meant 27th. As in, Sunday.

    Regardless, I'm amped for this match and will definitely be watching.

    Good luck to both teams!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    When I read this it was past midnight and I didn't realize it lol. I kept looking at the date on my clock and it never clicked that, hey, its past midnight idiot.
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  • ZeframZefram Join Date: 2004-05-11 Member: 28611Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts, Retired Community Developer
    Nexzil sweep, but it'll be a good match.
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  • LocklearLocklear [nexzil]kerrigan Join Date: 2012-05-01 Member: 151403Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow
    edited January 2013
    Should be some good games, good luck to both teams!
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  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Starts in like 5 min.
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  • bLink`bLink` Join Date: 2012-02-18 Member: 146506Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Going live in few mins!

    Also, if you want to watch from nexzil's commander's view, here's the link: <a href="http://www.twitch.tv/virsoul" target="_blank">http://www.twitch.tv/virsoul</a>
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  • Brad_RBrad_R pandas | brad Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8273Members, Constellation
    lol camo
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  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited January 2013
    That camo rush by All-In was hilariously awesome.
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  • CanucckCanucck Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72987Members
    <img src="http://i.imgur.com/eah9X4s.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Looks like Nxl took the crown. Shame, as I really liked All-In's cheesing metagaming.
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  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Good job to both teams for some fantastic games and congrats to Nexzil for winning the ENSL NA Div Finals 3-2. For those who weren't able to watch, replays of the matches are here:
    <a href="http://www.twitch.tv/naturalselection2/b/361442989" target="_blank">http://www.twitch.tv/naturalselection2/b/361442989</a>
    <a href="http://www.twitch.tv/naturalselection2/b/361451407" target="_blank">http://www.twitch.tv/naturalselection2/b/361451407</a>
    <a href="http://www.twitch.tv/naturalselection2/b/361460397" target="_blank">http://www.twitch.tv/naturalselection2/b/361460397</a>
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  • SupaDupaNoodleSupaDupaNoodle Join Date: 2003-01-12 Member: 12232Members
    I'll say it again:

    All 5 alien wins: wow, how balanced this game is :)

    More importantly though: I've seen better, more strategic, play in pubs. With 1-2 rookies each side. I bet the champions would be destroyed if they dared to play a game against a few random pubbers, including at least 1 rookie, on a UWE official server.

    Three failed ARC rushes... says it all for me.

    I hope they improve their game before visiting the public servers, or they'll get severely pwnt.

    Disgusted with the poor level of play on the competitive scene.
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  • SkackySkacky Join Date: 2005-06-05 Member: 53189Members
    edited January 2013
    Sick games tonight, especially game 2.
    But yeah Nexzil failing each ARC push on Tram and not changing their strategy was really painful to watch.
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  • TSADroneTSADrone Join Date: 2012-12-01 Member: 173807Members
    edited January 2013
    A few observations:

    1) Quality of play from both teams was very poor.
    2) Shockingly bad repeat failed pushes and constant death of higher lifeforms.
    3) All-In can't aim worth a damn as marines.
    4) Seconding the point someone made above that aliens won 5-0.
    <b>5) Nexzil won not by skill or playing better, but simply because the order of play had them as aliens on the last game.</b>
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  • FrankerZFrankerZ Join Date: 2012-05-06 Member: 151627Members
    some great insight from a bunch of scrub pubbies.

    I'm taking notes.
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  • statikgstatikg Join Date: 2012-09-19 Member: 159978Members
    the pub stars have spoken
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  • TSADroneTSADrone Join Date: 2012-12-01 Member: 173807Members
    edited January 2013
    Care to bring some counter observations then gentlemen, or are these one liners all you have? There are players out there pubbing and playing way above the level of anyone in this supposed best of the best match.

    Just because the comp scene exists doesn't mean they are necessarily the best players, and I think this matchup showed that perfectly.
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  • IAMKINGIAMKING Join Date: 2012-09-14 Member: 159328Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2067673:date=Jan 27 2013, 11:13 PM:name=TSADrone)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TSADrone @ Jan 27 2013, 11:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2067673"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Care to bring some counter observations then gentlemen, or are these one liners all you have? There are players out there pubbing and playing way above the level of anyone in this supposed best of the best match.

    Just because the comp scene exists doesn't mean they are necessarily the best players, and I think this matchup showed that perfectly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    While there are a few people that are better players than the comp players (I play with a few guys that are high level fps players from other comp games, for example), odds are they are far superior to nearly any other player you can think of from pubs, if not in mechanics, than in understanding the strategies/tactics/positioning of the game
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  • ShinoShino Join Date: 2012-11-26 Member: 173316Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2067673:date=Jan 27 2013, 08:13 PM:name=TSADrone)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TSADrone @ Jan 27 2013, 08:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2067673"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Care to bring some counter observations then gentlemen, or are these one liners all you have? There are players out there pubbing and playing way above the level of anyone in this supposed best of the best match.

    Just because the comp scene exists doesn't mean they are necessarily the best players, and I think this matchup showed that perfectly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    As a commander of the weaker team, I'm probably the weakest field player in the entire scrim. Every single field player there is probably better than me.

    That said, I normally get ratios like 30 kills / 3 deaths in ######ty pubs. I have no doubt in my mind that every single player in that scrim could go 50-0 in a normal pub as an alien.

    The reason why it seems like All-In marines cannot aim is because they're going against the best aliens in NA. Edakulous is the most notorious for being an aim-botter, capable of easily carrying a 12v12 marine team. And he's not even our best player.
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  • TSADroneTSADrone Join Date: 2012-12-01 Member: 173807Members
    edited January 2013
    <!--quoteo(post=2067675:date=Jan 27 2013, 09:17 PM:name=IAMKING)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IAMKING @ Jan 27 2013, 09:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2067675"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->While there are a few people that are better players than the comp players (I play with a few guys that are high level fps players from other comp games, for example), odds are they are far superior to nearly any other player you can think of from pubs, if not in mechanics, than in understanding the strategies/tactics/positioning of the game<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I certainly didn't feel like I watched anything groundbreaking in terms of strategy or tactics. Like I mentioned, it felt like the order of play determined the winner. On the contrary, I definitely saw some stuff that was embarrassing and hard to watch like the multiple failed arc pushes from nexzil in the 4th game and then the terrible last game from all-in.

    If they are such masters of strategy, why didn't they execute anything amazing? The closest thing to that was the camo rush cheese, but I've seen that many times before in pubs. Let's be honest, the strategy element of NS2 is pretty lacking.

    Shino: Edak is only notorious because he is 1) part of a comp team and 2) he streams. His aim is very good but not top level imo. Anyway, respect for trying. Your team did better than I expected. If I was you I'd feel pretty cheated I had to play as marines in that last game though. Also noone can singlehandedly carry a 12v12 team unless the other team is absolutely terrible. You might see such a thing happen once or twice, but not enough to claim that it's easy.
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  • IAMKINGIAMKING Join Date: 2012-09-14 Member: 159328Members
    don't forget that many of the good players that pub are banned from a lot of the popular servers for "hacking." The best players you've played against in your pub servers are almost always a far step below competitive players
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  • VolcanoVolcano Join Date: 2011-07-27 Member: 112496Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2067679:date=Jan 28 2013, 02:53 PM:name=TSADrone)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TSADrone @ Jan 28 2013, 02:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2067679"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I certainly didn't feel like I watched anything groundbreaking in terms of strategy or tactics<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What strategies? It's so shallow
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  • {GGs} Chicken{GGs} Chicken Join Date: 2011-11-22 Member: 134663Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=2067650:date=Jan 27 2013, 07:29 PM:name=FrankerZ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrankerZ @ Jan 27 2013, 07:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2067650"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->some great insight from a bunch of scrub pubbies.

    I'm taking notes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, with those suicide bile bombers, camo rush, and sentries, you literally are taking notes from pubbers ;)
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  • TSADroneTSADrone Join Date: 2012-12-01 Member: 173807Members
    edited January 2013
    <!--quoteo(post=2067691:date=Jan 27 2013, 10:08 PM:name={GGs} Chicken)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ({GGs} Chicken @ Jan 27 2013, 10:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2067691"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, with those suicide bile bombers, camo rush, and sentries, you literally are taking notes from pubbers ;)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The best part was the suicide bile bombs almost worked, the camo rush did work, and the sentries would have worked had all-in been able to aim and position better. This match really highlighted for me how overblown the difference between comp and pub is. Sure it gets talked up to huge levels, but really the only difference is slightly better aim and organization.
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  • YMICrazyYMICrazy Join Date: 2012-11-02 Member: 165986Members
    I agree that most of the time I see a tiebreaker the game is decided by the coin. Anyone who gets marines in the last match is already labeled with a lower chance of winning. Still great games guys.
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  • FlipperFlipper Join Date: 2012-08-08 Member: 155120Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2067635:date=Jan 27 2013, 06:38 PM:name=SupaDupaNoodle)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SupaDupaNoodle @ Jan 27 2013, 06:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2067635"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'll say it again:

    All 5 alien wins: wow, how balanced this game is :)

    More importantly though: I've seen better, more strategic, play in pubs. With 1-2 rookies each side. I bet the champions would be destroyed if they dared to play a game against a few random pubbers, including at least 1 rookie, on a UWE official server.

    Three failed ARC rushes... says it all for me.

    I hope they improve their game before visiting the public servers, or they'll get severely pwnt.

    Disgusted with the poor level of play on the competitive scene.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'd love to see you get 6 and play either nxzl or all-in. I doubt you understand that strategies aren't as 'wild' in competitive play due to every res node usually being a battle to take and hold. Pub games don't see rez nodes getting chewed a lot, so rez is abundant for weird strats that cost a lot of rez. When your trying to hold onto 2 rez nodes as marines a stunning strategy is the last thing on your mind.

    Comments like these just show your ignorance to the difference between pub and competitive strategies.
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