Climbing the Aurora

Capac_AmaruCapac_Amaru Space Join Date: 2016-04-18 Member: 215909Members
After struggling to catch my flying Cyclops, I've turned my attention to climbing to the top of everyone's favourite crashed spaceship, the Aurora.

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  • starkaosstarkaos Join Date: 2016-03-31 Member: 215139Members
    And this is why the X-Corridor is the best corridor to use for scaffolding. Building a hatch on the ceiling of the X-Corridor gives a stable footing to work outside while an I-Corridor causes you to fall when you go through the hatch.
  • NamelessChaosNamelessChaos Germany Join Date: 2016-02-17 Member: 213158Members
    Aww pity, thought you made it up on the Aurora without Terraformer or Building stuff. Canceled watching further.
  • starkaosstarkaos Join Date: 2016-03-31 Member: 215139Members
    The only other method is the Warp command, but that has the potential of clipping through the ship.

    Personally, I hate the Terraformer for climbing since it leaves floating bits of dirt when it is cleaned up. Would work well, if you make the dirt as part of your base construction. Maybe have dirt spiral around the Vertical Connector.
  • NamelessChaosNamelessChaos Germany Join Date: 2016-02-17 Member: 213158Members
    edited May 2016
    Yep, first thought was "Hm? He found a valid way of getting up the ship? Let`s see."

    Edit: Btw, did anyone try to get to the Aurora before it blows up? With the seaglide it might be possible, had mine before Aurora blew up but the thought didn`t cross my mind there.
  • starkaosstarkaos Join Date: 2016-03-31 Member: 215139Members
    Creative mode doesn't have the Aurora blow up. I think the only interesting thing to see is what the Aurora's front looks like. Doubt there is any way to get in.
  • Capac_AmaruCapac_Amaru Space Join Date: 2016-04-18 Member: 215909Members
    Yep, first thought was "Hm? He found a valid way of getting up the ship? Let`s see."

    Edit: Btw, did anyone try to get to the Aurora before it blows up? With the seaglide it might be possible, had mine before Aurora blew up but the thought didn`t cross my mind there.

    Are you saying building isn't valid in a survival/construction game?

    I too was wondering about pre-explosion Aurora. I might work on that for my next video.
  • starkaosstarkaos Join Date: 2016-03-31 Member: 215139Members
    Yep, first thought was "Hm? He found a valid way of getting up the ship? Let`s see."

    Edit: Btw, did anyone try to get to the Aurora before it blows up? With the seaglide it might be possible, had mine before Aurora blew up but the thought didn`t cross my mind there.

    Are you saying building isn't valid in a survival/construction game?

    I too was wondering about pre-explosion Aurora. I might work on that for my next video.

    When it defies the laws of physics, then it is not really a valid method. Of course, if we used some fictional material that exhibited antigravity properties instead of Titanium, then it would be a valid method.

    No way to climb up the front of the pre-explosion Aurora and the main entrance is not available. Also, I think the back of the pre-explosion and post-explosion Aurora are pretty much the same.
  • Capac_AmaruCapac_Amaru Space Join Date: 2016-04-18 Member: 215909Members
    starkaos wrote: »
    Yep, first thought was "Hm? He found a valid way of getting up the ship? Let`s see."

    Edit: Btw, did anyone try to get to the Aurora before it blows up? With the seaglide it might be possible, had mine before Aurora blew up but the thought didn`t cross my mind there.

    Are you saying building isn't valid in a survival/construction game?

    I too was wondering about pre-explosion Aurora. I might work on that for my next video.

    When it defies the laws of physics, then it is not really a valid method. Of course, if we used some fictional material that exhibited antigravity properties instead of Titanium, then it would be a valid method.

    No way to climb up the front of the pre-explosion Aurora and the main entrance is not available. Also, I think the back of the pre-explosion and post-explosion Aurora are pretty much the same.

    Unlike an anti-gravity ball that attracts small items?
  • starkaosstarkaos Join Date: 2016-03-31 Member: 215139Members
    starkaos wrote: »
    Yep, first thought was "Hm? He found a valid way of getting up the ship? Let`s see."

    Edit: Btw, did anyone try to get to the Aurora before it blows up? With the seaglide it might be possible, had mine before Aurora blew up but the thought didn`t cross my mind there.

    Are you saying building isn't valid in a survival/construction game?

    I too was wondering about pre-explosion Aurora. I might work on that for my next video.

    When it defies the laws of physics, then it is not really a valid method. Of course, if we used some fictional material that exhibited antigravity properties instead of Titanium, then it would be a valid method.

    No way to climb up the front of the pre-explosion Aurora and the main entrance is not available. Also, I think the back of the pre-explosion and post-explosion Aurora are pretty much the same.

    Unlike an anti-gravity ball that attracts small items?

    Completely different. Antigravity is a far more complex technology due to it having to exert a precise force to counteract the effect of gravity, but still somehow not drift away. Too much force and the object slowly floats away. Too little force and it will slowly fall to the surface. Completely removing gravity's effect on an object would be a great way to launch items into space. Place the item on top of a mountain, activate the field, and watch it fly away at 30 km/s due to the Earth's velocity. A Gravsphere just exerts a huge gravitational force at the center of the sphere.
  • NamelessChaosNamelessChaos Germany Join Date: 2016-02-17 Member: 213158Members
    edited May 2016
    starkaos wrote: »
    Yep, first thought was "Hm? He found a valid way of getting up the ship? Let`s see."

    Edit: Btw, did anyone try to get to the Aurora before it blows up? With the seaglide it might be possible, had mine before Aurora blew up but the thought didn`t cross my mind there.

    Are you saying building isn't valid in a survival/construction game?

    I too was wondering about pre-explosion Aurora. I might work on that for my next video.

    When it defies the laws of physics, then it is not really a valid method. Of course, if we used some fictional material that exhibited antigravity properties instead of Titanium, then it would be a valid method.

    No way to climb up the front of the pre-explosion Aurora and the main entrance is not available. Also, I think the back of the pre-explosion and post-explosion Aurora are pretty much the same.


    Whoa, have to agree with stark. No offense Stark. xD As he said using physic glitches ain`t valid. Come on, he`s standing on titanium strutures not even fully build. Not to mention that this contruct would definitly collapse above water lvl in RL and trying to stand on these unfinished structures would cause em to collapse too.
  • Capac_AmaruCapac_Amaru Space Join Date: 2016-04-18 Member: 215909Members
    edited May 2016
    starkaos wrote: »
    Yep, first thought was "Hm? He found a valid way of getting up the ship? Let`s see."

    Edit: Btw, did anyone try to get to the Aurora before it blows up? With the seaglide it might be possible, had mine before Aurora blew up but the thought didn`t cross my mind there.

    Are you saying building isn't valid in a survival/construction game?

    I too was wondering about pre-explosion Aurora. I might work on that for my next video.

    When it defies the laws of physics, then it is not really a valid method. Of course, if we used some fictional material that exhibited antigravity properties instead of Titanium, then it would be a valid method.

    No way to climb up the front of the pre-explosion Aurora and the main entrance is not available. Also, I think the back of the pre-explosion and post-explosion Aurora are pretty much the same.


    Whoa, have to agree with stark. No offense Stark. xD As he said using physic glitches ain`t valid. Come on, he`s standing on titanium strutures not even fully build. Not to mention that this contruct would definitly collapse above water lvl in RL and trying to stand on these unfinished structures would cause em to collapse too.

    I didn't complete the platforms to save time and materials, and because completing them prevents them from being recovered unless you disassemble the whole structure, which doesn't make sense because a platform jutting out perpendicularly couldn't possibly be load bearing.

    As for the structure collapsing, this is a technologically advanced society. The Aurora survived re-entry with *spoilers*
    minimal damage
    and maintained its basic structural integrity on impact. The building technology is clearly not just titanium. I'd imagine it has been engineered with a nano-structure that greatly improves its strength and other qualities. Sure, tubes designed for withstanding extreme pressures would be a less than optimal building material, but since the game doesn't have specific surface structures to build (yet) you've got to make do with what you got.

  • NamelessChaosNamelessChaos Germany Join Date: 2016-02-17 Member: 213158Members
    Still, for me same as markilplier, cheat. And considering in nano structures, really? expecting that to work on/in an unfinished structure?
  • KlinnKlinn Lost in a cave Join Date: 2016-03-09 Member: 214022Members
    I love it when fans argue about "realism" in a futuristic sci-fi game. ;):D
  • NamelessChaosNamelessChaos Germany Join Date: 2016-02-17 Member: 213158Members
  • Capac_AmaruCapac_Amaru Space Join Date: 2016-04-18 Member: 215909Members
    It's important for science fiction to be grounded in reality, and/or to establish it's own rules and stick to them. It's an important part of immersion.

    That said, it's kind of pointless arguing about what is or is not legit in a game that is incomplete, and (for example) not too long ago had a production chain where you could turn copper/acid batteries into lead.

    At the end of the video, I got trapped inside the structure with no way out, because the hitbox of the Aurora extends beyond the model, and into the space of the construction. I ended up using a console command to escape. Technically that's 'cheating' too, but then a magical invisible wall around a spaceship that extends into a sealed room you've built across it isn't exactly 'realistic' either.

    The game has clearly been built from the seafloor up, with the surface portion having received much less attention. I don't understand why its such a big deal.

    I'm just trying to illustrate some of the weird and wacky things I've found whilst playing the game, I'm not trying to set some ephemeral guinness world record Aurora free climbing milestone.
  • NamelessChaosNamelessChaos Germany Join Date: 2016-02-17 Member: 213158Members
    edited May 2016
    You know no1 rule as a youtuber? You can`t satisfy everyone, so don`t try. Consider me as some of the harder "clients". Just saying... .

    But then, we could go on with the talk. This time maybe about your imagination. Having big faith in an advanced civilisation and their structures, but not in their capability of changing other matter like batteries into lead. For Example, even our Scientists say they could change lead to gold today. Just would be very much energy consuming and the gold would be radiated. Just saying... . xD
  • KlinnKlinn Lost in a cave Join Date: 2016-03-09 Member: 214022Members
    It's important for science fiction to be grounded in reality, and/or to establish it's own rules and stick to them. It's an important part of immersion.
    Quite true, which is why I personally prefer using the word "plausible" rather than "realistic".

    That is, something plausible fits within the rules established for that particular setting/world/whatever, versus realistic meaning it fits within the rules for our own world.

    But I was just poking gentle fun at the conversation -- sometimes fans get so passionate about defending or decrying some aspect of what is, in the end, just supposed to give you a bit of enjoyment. :)
  • ech0gh0stech0gh0st CA Join Date: 2016-05-11 Member: 216637Members
    Aww pity, thought you made it up on the Aurora without Terraformer or Building stuff. Canceled watching further.

    me 2
  • starkaosstarkaos Join Date: 2016-03-31 Member: 215139Members
    The Exosuit's thrusters might be a possible method, but that would have to wait for about a month to test unless someone wants to use the Exosuit 0.2.
  • NamelessChaosNamelessChaos Germany Join Date: 2016-02-17 Member: 213158Members
    If it got a jet pack or similar I`d try with that reaching the top of Aurora Stark ;-)
  • starkaosstarkaos Join Date: 2016-03-31 Member: 215139Members
    The Exosuit that is currently being worked on will have a Jump Jet upgrade module, Inventory Expansion module, 1500 meters depth upgrade module, and Thermal Reactor upgrade module according to its Trello card. It is only rated to go up to 900 meters without the depth upgrade. So it certainly does have some method of extended vertical movement and the the current blocky model does have thrusters which gives some movement. However, you can only go up about 20 meters underwater per jump and only a couple of meters above water. Also, there are invisible walls around the engines which prevent any type of legitimate climbing. So as of this moment, there is no way to legitimately climb up the Aurora with the Exosuit.
  • NamelessChaosNamelessChaos Germany Join Date: 2016-02-17 Member: 213158Members
    Still, I`d try from front since you might be able to use the broken shell to climb it up.
  • Capac_AmaruCapac_Amaru Space Join Date: 2016-04-18 Member: 215909Members
    You know no1 rule as a youtuber? You can`t satisfy everyone, so don`t try. Consider me as some of the harder "clients". Just saying... .

    But then, we could go on with the talk. This time maybe about your imagination. Having big faith in an advanced civilisation and their structures, but not in their capability of changing other matter like batteries into lead. For Example, even our Scientists say they could change lead to gold today. Just would be very much energy consuming and the gold would be radiated. Just saying... . xD

    Converting elements to other elements requires a lot higher energy input than nanoscale engineering. Figuring out in my head how you explain these things is kind of a hobby of mine. I've written quite a lot about this kind of thing on a particular Halo forum.

    Of course, Subnautica is in an incomplete state, both fiction wise, and mechanically. But I really appreciate it when developers go to those extra lengths to tie everything together.

    And conversely, if you go the other way and ignore these things, you tread dangerous waters, threatening the integrity of the whole. Look at Mass Effect 3. It broke the series internal consistency so much it evaporated any real drama or tension, reducing the story to incoherent gibberish.
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