Bot For Ns :d

Pulse · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SinSpawn @ May 22 2003, 08:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well since NS 1.1 is coming out...do you really want ns 1.04 updated?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
...Because 1.1 could be months off... And 95% of the code will probably carry over when it does come out...

Guspaz · May 2003

The bots need a random jitter factor that is based on their skill level; this is how other bots work. It's easiest to see in Quake 3. Start up a Quake 3 server with bots, then spectate the bots and watch them shoot people.

Maj_Mistake · May 2003

I think that's what bot_aimingfactor does, thats what it says in the readme, but it doesn't seem to have an effect. I wonder if it's coded into the bot's skill level and bot_aimingfactor has no effect? But I don't think I've seen poor level bots miss either. I'll test it out.

Talesin · May 2003

I'd like to see it updated. Updates are good! Really. Well... C-D has gone a little overboard with them, but if you don't toss out an update every two days, everything's grand. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

(edit: Post 666 on this thread.)

snake_doc · May 2003

I just want to see them climb a freekin ladder ...........
I would be happy if they could and would do that at a minimum along with building there hives!

The current version the bots will build the hive but they will not climb a ladder and if the bot is a skulk .....Forget it he refuses to walk the wall to get outa his base he will only follow the waypoint that says climb the ladder but he will just stand at the bottom of the ladder and walk and walk and walk.......same with marine bots they will build etc......but give them a ladder they need to transverse and its game over............

Pulse · May 2003

I think the problem is that they don't look up when they try to climb a ladder.

Maj_Mistake · May 2003

So we need a ladder update and an aiming update then we'll be very happy bunnies. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

EDIT: Just remembered I've seen a lot of waypoints done by people where they have a ladder waypoint at the bottom of a ladder and a normal one at the top, I think this could be the problem. Also some wallclimb into vent routes have a wallclimb waypoint leading to a crouch waypoint, I think this could be a problem but I have trouble getting bots to test my waypoints. I would like to ask that if the waypoint editing system is changed please make it like NNBot's system except keep the manual create and remove paths, then it would rock.

NinjaStitch · May 2003

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

I recently got Rocket CrowBot and I found out if you give your own waypoints to the maps, then it will look like your pc bacame one smart opponent.

The problem with them and the ladder is that you should place a waypoint at the bottom and top of the ladder only if your sure your stuck to it, if you enabled (waypoints on) you should notice that it's yellow colored. Make sure you do the exact same thing at the top of the ladder BUT STILL HOLDING ON TO IT. Make sure if your placing waypoints on twin ladders (meaning side by side ladders) make them climb only one side of the ladder, otherwise you will get ridiculos results. Believe me, I know.

To put it in short for ladders : Yellow, good. Blue, bad.

...still running...

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'>

amckern · May 2003

just a note

can u please chage the url in my name at the downloads page to <a href='http://www.geocities.com/amckern/' target='_blank'>http://www.geocities.com/amckern/</a>

thanks

amckern

a_M-Taker · May 2003

Could anyone maybe post a download for a preconfigured setup for your bots that i could download, cause when i play with the bots with my setup all they do is pretty much run in a circle. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> would someone please do this for me, ill give you a cookie.<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

a_M-Taker · May 2003

n/m, got the newest version and it works good. But, when i add 12 bots to my server im getting 200 and higher ping... even on a lan game. WTH is going on?

amckern · May 2003

ist the bot ai

if u got a amd 700 add 14 bots max, double for 1.4 gig, quad for 2.8

amckern

Majin · May 2003

I would like to see the AI of the Drone Skulks the Gorge can create increased!
I mean its funny watching them stand around looking, but I want to see them trying to attack the mariens, they only really do it when they are really close, even then, I have seen them just group up and stand around till BOOOM! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Making the AI of the Drones more adaptive would be a nice addition!

Cheeseh · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ May 30 2003, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I would like to see the AI of the Drone Skulks the Gorge can create increased!
I mean its funny watching them stand around looking, but I want to see them trying to attack the mariens, they only really do it when they are really close, even then, I have seen them just group up and stand around till BOOOM! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Making the AI of the Drones more adaptive would be a nice addition!  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
to NS you mean, not the bot <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> Babblers you're talking about right?

Majin · May 2003

yeah babblers
But I read that they are taken out in 1.1
They were so funny to watch, and usefull vs 2 or more HA/HMG marines!

Elite_Guard · May 2003

Major Bot Problems

the map ns_mystic_rc2 will not work because of some problem with 'rcbot.dll'
My config file was replaced

Cheeseh · May 2003

make sure it isnt in a .pak file, just keep in in ns/maps or whatever. The installer does not overwrite config.cfg if thats what u mean.

SpeedKilled · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cheeseh @ May 31 2003, 11:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> make sure it isnt in a .pak file, just keep in in ns/maps or whatever. The installer does not overwrite config.cfg if thats what u mean.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
What exactly does it do to the config file? I've had a problem before where I installed the bots and then uninstalled them and my config got kinda screwed up. Although it might have been from other reasons.

Elite_Guard · May 2003

It changed my name from 'SnD.Elite Guard' to 'Troy' and got rid of some of my binds. (reeadyroom, voicecomm, impulse 7 & 9, and the command menu)

Also, on the map ns_mystic_rc2 not working- It is probably a map problem since 99/100 maps i have work

Cheeseh · May 2003

Well as for the map bug, id need to download it to check it out.

As for the config thing, if you search through any bot files for the string "Troy" you'll get nothing, I've never wrote "Troy" anywhere so thats obviously something else thats causing a config.cfg overwrite.

Elite_Guard · May 2003

Ok about the Troy thing- Someone else was using my computer and changed my name to Troy without telling me, and because they changed there name through the 'Customize' menu in NS, it got rid of my custom config. I just assumed it had to do with the version of RCBotNS i had just installed. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>
And the map that doesn't work is <a href='http://ns.admins.us/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=139' target='_blank'>here</a>.

Cheeseh · June 2003

There seems to be a problem with that maps "texdata", obviously something to do with textures? Anyway thats where it seems to be crashing when reading the map.

See if that maps works okay without the bot installed...

Just a word, I'd rather keep map reading in the bot though, because it may be the only hope for decent commanding <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>, unless I can pick up on a better way to place objects :O

Smellslikefeces · June 2003

Cheeseh I have some bugs for you. First off I want to tell you what a great job you've been doing. I've been using your bot since the beginning and its great. Now for the bad part. I've notice several problems with your bots, some have been mentioned here and some haven't. The single biggest problem is their inability to use ladders. I even made my own waypoints for maps and it didn't help. They just stand there at the bottom and stare, move around a bit, and stare some more. Now a new problem that I've run into with your latest version is that for some reason some of the bots, not all mind you, will just go comatose. They will just stand there staring. They will shoot badguys but will not move at all. If I give them an order they will respond verbally but still won't move. Now not all of the bot marines are doing this just some, probably about 50%. Very odd as the older versions of your bot that I was running didn't do this. Another problem is that sometimes when I give them a way point that is within sight of them they won't go to it they will just respond with an acknowledgement. Oh they like to get stuck in holes/depressions and just stand there swinging their knife around wildly. I beleive it is ns_bast with the furnaces and the tunnel with the grate on it. Well I was following a marine who stopped on the grate and just started running around in circles swinging his knife. I came back about 10 minutes later and he was still at it. So I shot the grate out thinking that he REALLY wanted in there. Well then he just did the same thing. Very odd. Anyways that's all that I can think of right now. Keep up the good work!

Amped1 · June 2003

Bots will only use ladders if there is a waypoint at the top of the ladder and the bottom.
...............WP_______WP
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WP_____WP................

Something like that. Make sure you are actually on the ladder when you place the waypoint.

CORIN · June 2003

Pls make linux version for rcbot

Cheeseh · June 2003

I will .. so stop asking meee!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

The next version of the bot will support metamod as a plugin (using metamod's plugins.ini) And I will also have a seperate version for the bot on it's own for windows and linux.

See my homepage for the updates.

That_Annoying_Kid · June 2003

OOH, the next version of your bots are going to be metamod based? sweet...

Amped1 · June 2003

Hey Cheeseh, do you plan to use Ninjastich's waypoints once he is done with them? He seems to be pretty good at it.

Cheeseh · June 2003

Perhaps, I was going to change the waypoints which mean they wouldnt work, or they would need to be converted, but I don't think I'll change the waypoints yet, the old waypoint structure still seems to be doing okay <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
the next version of your bots are going to be metamod based?
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Yeah well the re-written bot seems to be working so far with metamod, and windows. But I'll attempt to also build a version for linux metamod and standalone linux.

(So thats four versions that need to be built) Not a lot of effort though <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

That_Annoying_Kid · June 2003

I would have to say ninjastich does do a good job with the waypoints

is comm mode still terrible for bots?

you should work on having them drop health and ammo when it's requested, if it's not to much work =\

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