Teenager Brain Washing

acer_r1 · July 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">holy crap this is scary as hell!</div> <a href='http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html?=rss' target='_blank'>This is effed up</a>

what i really want to know is, what kind of f'ed up parents would do this to their kids?

Liku · July 2003

I want to go in and come out and prove it's done nothing to me.

acer_r1 · July 2003

i got this from this topic, WARNING contains bad launguage and stuff that can easly offend, but alot of what is said in this topic is worth reading

<a href='http://www.warbucket.com/ibforums/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=4580' target='_blank'>http://www.warbucket.com/ibforums/index.ph...t=ST&f=5&t=4580</a>

Liku · July 2003

I'm not going to register to read it, sorrie.

acer_r1 · July 2003

Now now, some one must have something to say about it? I want to hear your opinions!.......

moultano · July 2003

I can't imagine how enraging and scarring that would be. I can't imagine being a functional person after something like that.

acer_r1 · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Jul 10 2003, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I can't imagine how enraging and scarring that would be. I can't imagine being a functional person after something like that.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
The whole point is that you aren't, after this all you become is a robot/zombie that is only able to function when told to act...

AllUrHiveRblong2us · July 2003

How much more Orwellian can you get?

I wonder what they do with kids who don't like rap?

acer_r1 · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jul 10 2003, 10:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> How much more Orwellian can you get?

I wonder what they do with kids who don't like rap?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Physical Punishment, read in that other forums I linked to it will answer alot of questions you might have............

Decimator · July 2003

I wonder if anybody has killed a gaurd in there.....

acer_r1 · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Decimator @ Jul 10 2003, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I wonder if anybody has killed a gaurd in there.....  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
How they have no weapons, they are all under 18 and all of the guards a huge bouncer like Jamacans........

AllUrHiveRblong2us · July 2003

You'd be beter off just posting some of the stuff that was said on those other forums, as I doubt that very many people here will register just to read that particular thread.

pardzh · July 2003

A bit twisted, that.

AllUrHiveRblong2us · July 2003

Wow American parents are the laziest people in the world.

Gadzuko · July 2003

I wouldn't call this laziness as much as I would call it.... hmmm.... sadism? Incompetence? If you have to send your child to this place, you are not a fit parent.

Decimator · July 2003

Well let's see, toilet covers can do a lot of damage, bedposts can do damage, forks, knives, ganging up, books, pencils......err, maybe i'm a bit twisted..... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

CplDavis · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>When most children first arrive they find it difficult to believe that they have no alternative but to submit. In shock, frightened and angry, many simply refuse to obey. This is when they discover the alternative. Guards take them (if necessary by force) to a small bare room and make them (again by force if necessary) lie flat on their face, arms by their sides, on the tiled floor. Watched by a guard, they must remain lying face down, forbidden to speak or move a muscle except for 10 minutes every hour, when they may sit up and stretch before resuming the position. Modest meals are brought to them, and at night they sleep on the floor of the corridor outside under electric light and the gaze of a guard. At dawn they resume the position.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I would think this example and the many others would only be worse psychologically in the long run.

<b>You can never expect to achive postive outcomes through negative means.</b>
The only "positve" reinforcement here seems to come from those propaganda like tapes.

I can see lots of kids coming out of this deeply distraught or mentaly unstable.

The guy running it is a self admitted college drop out with no proffessional expertise in the field. Hes probably doing more bad then good.

Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happyness people, the 3 most basic of human rights, 66% of which are denied here.

Im surprised one of his former "inmates" hasnt come back armed to the teeth to exact revenge.
<i>Ive known POWs that were treated better.</i>

Forgive me if I sound evil here people If some one shot this guy I wouldnt be feel bad in the least.

Its no wonder he doesnt want media coverage of this place.

acer_r1 · July 2003

duh, if you would read what that link i posted said it would say that much and more.......

SpceM0nkey · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Jul 10 2003, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happyness people, the 3 most basic of human rights, 66% of which are denied here.
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uhh no, they would be American rights. They are neither universally excepted, or absolutely true. They are ideals. Like "love thy neighbour", Good message, doesnt make it true.

I think someone has been brought up in the United States of America division of camp Tranquilty.

Cheers

AllUrHiveRblong2us · July 2003

The thought just struck me: the most ironic part of this is, these people are more than likely going to be your boss later in life. Think about it. They are brutal, follow orders, self-serving, and know when to shut up. That is vice-president of a major corporation material right there. That is, if they can function with all the flash-backs they are gonna be having.

acer_r1 · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jul 10 2003, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The thought just struck me: the most ironic part of this is, these people are more than likely going to be your boss later in life. Think about it. They are brutal, follow orders, self-serving, and know when to shut up. That is vice-president of a major corporation material right there. That is, if they can function with all the flash-backs they are gonna be having.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
no, they become dependent leechs to society......

AllUrHiveRblong2us · July 2003

Eh, either way.

Maveric · July 2003

Maaan. Korean POW camps are <i>Disneyland</i> compared to this place. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

"Zero trust" is never a good thing to enforce, otherwise you engrane a continual paranoya of the brain. i mean, trust is everything in this world and if you continually count those pennies for the rest of your life, you would have wasted enough time to get several hundred thousand more!

IMO someone should do a <i><b>REAL</b></i> story on that place. the first link you provided to us was obvious propaganda produced <i>by</i> "Tranquility" whateverthef---itscalled.

Since the parents sign away 49% of the parentry rights to the kid, they (the parents) are litterally "Throwing them at a stranger's arms" and "Pushing them in the car" sparing the "Jay Kay" fellow the trouble of comming there and kidnapping the poor child... no wait, they already do that! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>

Hey, maybe i'll gather my friends up and go to Jamaca for a holiday... *Maniacle Laugher* <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

CplDavis · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sp@ceM0nkey @ Jul 10 2003, 11:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Jul 10 2003, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happyness people, the 3 most basic of human rights, 66% of which are denied here.
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uhh no, they would be American rights. They are neither universally excepted, or absolutely true. They are ideals. Like "love thy neighbour", Good message, doesnt make it true.

I think someone has been brought up in the United States of America division of camp Tranquilty.

Cheers </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Yes of course they are ideals, everything comes from an ideal. Notice the word "idea" found in that word. A concept. They just happen to be regared as rights in the country I currently live in so I will refer them as such. And obviously these "ideals" are not universally accepted anywhere, I never said they were. I dont go around pointing out to the Brits for calling a flash light a "torch" or an elevator as a "lift".

Call them whatever you want.

As you say "Love thy neighbor" , Do unto others as you would want done to you, the Golden rule whatever you want to call it, they are a good message as you say. However just because they are many times ignored, or not followed at all, doesnt mean that I will stop to practice them.
I live and think by what I feel is right. I dont go kill people b/c i believe it is wrong. I dont steal from people b/c I think it is wrong etc. I ddint need a law to tell me that.

As I stated before, a quote from Ghandi

You can never expect to achive postive outcomes through negative means.

I wasnt born in the US, nor was I an American citizen, but I admire what some of their original "ideals" stand for. Whether they are carried out presently is for another debate, in a closed forum <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

To further clarify Im not angry at anyone just trying to get my point clear to what I tried to say before.

So as you say Cheers mate <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Gadzuko · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sp@ceM0nkey @ Jul 10 2003, 11:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Jul 10 2003, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happyness people, the 3 most basic of human rights, 66% of which are denied here.
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uhh no, they would be American rights. They are neither universally excepted, or absolutely true. They are ideals. Like "love thy neighbour", Good message, doesnt make it true.

I think someone has been brought up in the United States of America division of camp Tranquilty.

Cheers  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Just because they aren't "universally excepted" (which, last time I checked, most civilized countries were sort of following the US's lead there) doesn't mean that they aren't necessary and integral to living a proper life.

TenSix · July 2003

Seeing as how this camp has nothing but guards protecting it, I fail to see how it would be hard to manage an escape. Of course, getting out of Jamaica would be a problem, but nothing is impossible, and with how **** off I would be if I was sent to that camp, I wouldn't doubt that I would swim back to American shores on pure adrenaline and anger. All I know is I sure as hell wouldn't be in that camp for more then 1 week.

spitfirens_net · July 2003

If I was in there I'd go for the record time in OP.

CplDavis · July 2003

For those interested here is the web site for this place

<a href='http://treatmentforteens.com/TranqulityBay/' target='_blank'>http://treatmentforteens.com/TranqulityBay/</a>

They make it sound like a freakin resort.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>On and off campus activities provide a proper balance of recreation, exercise, learning and social opportunities. Initially, all activities are on grounds. Over a period of time, teens may earn the privilege of participating in off campus activities; which could include sight-seeing, water sports, beach outings, and cultural events, etc. Jamaica is well suited for these types of experiences.
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After a hatefilled humilitating "learn to trust no one in our 0 trust area" faility surrounded by patroling guards and people with little or no high school education you might be able to ask to go on a trip to the toiliet without having to raise your hand. YAY

Confuzor · July 2003

It's stuff like this that makes me want to enact a law for a screening process to ensure that potential <b>**********</b> parents will NEVER get the chance to become parents. Parenting is becoming so much harder in present times than possibly any time before in our society with all the damn ugly influences that envelop us, and not to say that the kids aren't to blame, but damn it, what the hell have the parents been doing, if anything at all?

Yet at the same time here in Canada, people are often disgusted with the pitiful sentences handed out to young offenders, and in many situations, I can't blame them...
God, what the hell did we do this planet?

<i>Be fruitful and multiply...</i>

- If I could rewrite the Bible, this is the first and only verse that's coming out of there.

Never having kids... ever.

Maveric · July 2003

someone haxxor that site please. it burns my eyes like it has emotionally scarred so many teenages in its revolving door policies. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> I wish to see it not!

-edit- I MEANT THE CAMP'S SITE! NOT THE NEWS SITE! HAXXORS STOP HACKING THE NEWS SITE AND START HACKING THE CAMP'S SITE. that is all. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> (*phew*)

eediot · July 2003

maveric, you are an idiot.

its a news site. and its not biased in the slightest.

"fear the indifference of a good man more than the doings of an evil man" or words to that effect

again, you are an idiot

ffs

also, dont come out as america being the best place in the world, all liberty and everything. im not going to go into it, because this isnt the discussion forum, but at first i loved how people always claim america has freedom etc, but then it just gets annoying and tired

meh

Teenager Brain Washing

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