Sure, it would be nice. Hell, it'd be nice if I had $10,000,000 too.
My point is, for people to expect that they deserve something just because of the fact the've donated or get all butt hurt because they dont get to play 2.0 a whole 4 days or so early is stupid.
And my point is that it is pointless to want people to NOT play 4 days earlier for those exact reasons. Many people posting here have said that people who have donated <b>shouldn't</b> be given anything in return. Seems incredibly petty to me.
This is, IMO, a nice way to reward people that have donated, and a way to encorage more people to donate without hurting anybody. I mean, NS is still free after all.
<!--QuoteBegin--Kaniran+Jul 22 2003, 06:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kaniran @ Jul 22 2003, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd say give these people what they deserve, a sneak peek at what they, in part, helped to fund. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Still don't deserve anything. Thus the concept of a donation.
I voted for <b>'Yes! Anything to help the devs and community!'</b>, but only because I'd be able to download it off Kazaa <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nah - only kidding! I did vote for that because I believe that a larger beta test before its release should clean up alot of crash errors if they indeed exist. It is not likley that there will be any, but bugs can creep in and I've seen them ruin what seem like the best games ever. Just look at Front Line Force, for example. That game was hyped up just as much as NS, and the first release was absolutley incredible too. Next patch, however, it was completely ruined by crashing bugs and stupid features that obviously hadn't been tested enough. Although the bugs were eventually fixed and the stupid features were removed, it shattered the game. FLF currently stands to be just as good as it was on its first release (if not better!), but I can only see 11 servers running it at this point in time.
<!--QuoteBegin--Raw Evil+Jul 23 2003, 12:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Raw Evil @ Jul 23 2003, 12:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do you donate to the red cross or World Vision expecting that they will do something for <b><i>you</i></b>? Of course not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> On the other hand, my guess is most constellation members who've donated currently haven't expected anything either.
I give 20 bucks to a mod I love. I expect nothing in return.
I then see NS go over to a service like FilePlanet, and give away all the goodness of the game 3 days before me. Why am I being treated differently? Easy. Because FP will give lots of acess to NS, something it could always use.
So I ask myself, why didn't I go to FP and give my 20 bucks there, not only would have I gotten loads of other goodies, but also I would get to beta-test(to an extent) NS, the game I love.
Basically, it's a slap in the face to constellation members. They gave it their money to help NS grow, and then they see preferential treatment going to another group of players would could probably not care 2 sh!ts about NS in the long run? Wth is that? And then these group of hardcore group of players, who waited so long to see it come out, see it leaked on Kazaa?
Talk about being alienated. You guys speak of NS like it's purly a buisiness venture; it's more than that, people devote large portions of their <b>lives</b> this game, whether or not they help to make it or not. To see NS 'sold out' has to be one of the most insulting things a hardcore NS constellation member see.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and that is the kind of additude the rest of the community should have.
It's about what's best for NS - not if you lose any sleep over it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So basically you are saying take one for Flay, so he can profit? With absolutely no disrespect to Flay, but why must this all be completely focused on Flay? I realize, yes, it's his mod. This is all because of Flay. Phear Flay, he is the man. But don't you think that the gamers that helped NS get to where it is right now, <b>right up to version 2.0y</b> mean a single friggin thing? It would be sorta like Flay saying, "Hey guys, I don't need you anymore, but thanks anyways." <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
People who say right now: "Morons! Can't they see what they are doing by not allowing this to happen?" Aren't being logical at all. Why? Because they are not factoring human emotions.
It is Flayras game, I don't own it and I quite frankly couldn't give a **** about who he hands it too. He can do whatever he likes with it. I don't have any money to donate, but I'll just download it on the 7th like I plan too anyway (non busy time).
I give 20 bucks to a mod I love. I expect nothing in return.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Excellent, well done, <b>precisely</b> the correct attitude.
<!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Jul 23 2003, 07:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Jul 23 2003, 07:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Basically, it's a slap in the face to constellation members.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unfortunately you then go and contradict yourself. How can you expect nothing in return and then act all aggrieved when thats precisely what you get ?
I'll be truthful with the forums members at this point.
When the Vet program was announced, I was angry for a while. For me thats a big deal as i'm usually quite mild mannered.
Why should some random clans who I don't even see on these forums get to test 2.0 (or 1.1 as it was). I've been here before release, supporting NS, trying to be helpful as I can on the boards and some undeserving bozos i've never heard of get to test 1.1 ?
I calmed down after five minutes, had a think and realised I was jealous. Plain and simple. I had no rational reason why the Vet program wasn't a good idea, I could see how it would help NS. I didn't know the Vets so where did I get of thinking they we're undeserving bozos ?
The only thing which was in fact bugging me was that it wasn't <b>me</b> testing NS. I realised I was being stupid. I knew it was partly because I loved NS so much but that doesn't excuse it. I learned from that and it's something I won't fall foul of again.
I now see the same thing among the community here regarding this issue. I freely donated to Constellation. I expect nothing in return. If Gamespy subscribers get 2.0 three days or whatever before me, fine, they've paid for that, they expect that service and those kind of opportunties from Gamespy. As a constellation member I don't.
At the end of the day, someone whos paid Gamespy gets 2.0 a couple of days before me. Big deal. I can sit at home knowing i've made a charitable donation which allowed 2.0 to exist at all, and I would swap that over getting 2.0 a little earlier any day of my life.
<!--QuoteBegin--Mythr1l+Jul 23 2003, 03:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mythr1l @ Jul 23 2003, 03:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> must admit, if it was released early it would be on bitorrent or kazaa or some guys FTP within an hour, and i would have it within 2 hours. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Files tend to be useless without proper authentication. If anybody can break into WON servers and change IDs, then we might have a problem.. otherwise no leak problems really. They might leak the files, but others won't be able to use them...
<!--QuoteBegin--cri.tical+Jul 23 2003, 06:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cri.tical @ Jul 23 2003, 06:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mythr1l+Jul 23 2003, 03:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mythr1l @ Jul 23 2003, 03:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> must admit, if it was released early it would be on bitorrent or kazaa or some guys FTP within an hour, and i would have it within 2 hours. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Files tend to be useless without proper authentication. If anybody can break into WON servers and change IDs, then we might have a problem.. otherwise no leak problems really. They might leak the files, but others won't be able to use them... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh.
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Sure, it would be nice. Hell, it'd be nice if I had $10,000,000 too.
My point is, for people to expect that they deserve something just because of the fact the've donated or get all butt hurt because they dont get to play 2.0 a whole 4 days or so early is stupid.
It's about what's best for NS - not if you lose any sleep over it.
This is, IMO, a nice way to reward people that have donated, and a way to encorage more people to donate without hurting anybody. I mean, NS is still free after all.
Still don't deserve anything. Thus the concept of a donation.
A friend who has generously given you money.
I leave you with no more
Nah - only kidding! I did vote for that because I believe that a larger beta test before its release should clean up alot of crash errors if they indeed exist. It is not likley that there will be any, but bugs can creep in and I've seen them ruin what seem like the best games ever. Just look at Front Line Force, for example. That game was hyped up just as much as NS, and the first release was absolutley incredible too. Next patch, however, it was completely ruined by crashing bugs and stupid features that obviously hadn't been tested enough. Although the bugs were eventually fixed and the stupid features were removed, it shattered the game. FLF currently stands to be just as good as it was on its first release (if not better!), but I can only see 11 servers running it at this point in time.
<b><i>R.I.P.</i> Front Line Force</b>
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On the other hand, my guess is most constellation members who've donated currently haven't expected anything either.
I give 20 bucks to a mod I love. I expect nothing in return.
I then see NS go over to a service like FilePlanet, and give away all the goodness of the game 3 days before me. Why am I being treated differently? Easy. Because FP will give lots of acess to NS, something it could always use.
So I ask myself, why didn't I go to FP and give my 20 bucks there, not only would have I gotten loads of other goodies, but also I would get to beta-test(to an extent) NS, the game I love.
Basically, it's a slap in the face to constellation members. They gave it their money to help NS grow, and then they see preferential treatment going to another group of players would could probably not care 2 sh!ts about NS in the long run? Wth is that? And then these group of hardcore group of players, who waited so long to see it come out, see it leaked on Kazaa?
Talk about being alienated. You guys speak of NS like it's purly a buisiness venture; it's more than that, people devote large portions of their <b>lives</b> this game, whether or not they help to make it or not. To see NS 'sold out' has to be one of the most insulting things a hardcore NS constellation member see.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and that is the kind of additude the rest of the community should have.
It's about what's best for NS - not if you lose any sleep over it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So basically you are saying take one for Flay, so he can profit? With absolutely no disrespect to Flay, but why must this all be completely focused on Flay? I realize, yes, it's his mod. This is all because of Flay. Phear Flay, he is the man. But don't you think that the gamers that helped NS get to where it is right now, <b>right up to version 2.0y</b> mean a single friggin thing? It would be sorta like Flay saying, "Hey guys, I don't need you anymore, but thanks anyways." <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
People who say right now: "Morons! Can't they see what they are doing by not allowing this to happen?" Aren't being logical at all. Why? Because they are not factoring human emotions.
I give 20 bucks to a mod I love. I expect nothing in return.
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Excellent, well done, <b>precisely</b> the correct attitude.
<!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Jul 23 2003, 07:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Jul 23 2003, 07:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Basically, it's a slap in the face to constellation members.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unfortunately you then go and contradict yourself. How can you expect nothing in return and then act all aggrieved when thats precisely what you get ?
I'll be truthful with the forums members at this point.
When the Vet program was announced, I was angry for a while. For me thats a big deal as i'm usually quite mild mannered.
Why should some random clans who I don't even see on these forums get to test 2.0 (or 1.1 as it was). I've been here before release, supporting NS, trying to be helpful as I can on the boards and some undeserving bozos i've never heard of get to test 1.1 ?
I calmed down after five minutes, had a think and realised I was jealous. Plain and simple. I had no rational reason why the Vet program wasn't a good idea, I could see how it would help NS. I didn't know the Vets so where did I get of thinking they we're undeserving bozos ?
The only thing which was in fact bugging me was that it wasn't <b>me</b> testing NS. I realised I was being stupid. I knew it was partly because I loved NS so much but that doesn't excuse it. I learned from that and it's something I won't fall foul of again.
I now see the same thing among the community here regarding this issue. I freely donated to Constellation. I expect nothing in return. If Gamespy subscribers get 2.0 three days or whatever before me, fine, they've paid for that, they expect that service and those kind of opportunties from Gamespy. As a constellation member I don't.
At the end of the day, someone whos paid Gamespy gets 2.0 a couple of days before me. Big deal. I can sit at home knowing i've made a charitable donation which allowed 2.0 to exist at all, and I would swap that over getting 2.0 a little earlier any day of my life.
Files tend to be useless without proper authentication. If anybody can break into WON servers and change IDs, then we might have a problem.. otherwise no leak problems really. They might leak the files, but others won't be able to use them...
Files tend to be useless without proper authentication. If anybody can break into WON servers and change IDs, then we might have a problem.. otherwise no leak problems really. They might leak the files, but others won't be able to use them... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh.
"Where there's a will, there's a way."
Some people say 'yay, go for it Flay..' about half and some of those are quite vocally opposed to anyone who thinks different
Others say, 'not happy but whatever'
A few agree with my suggestion to include the constellation member in the trial.
Some like me are completely useless and say 'er, I really don't know, there is just so much to consider.'
and there are a few nuts to the far right and left of this argument as always. (no offence)
So in general I'd say Flayra has our support if he does this but it is likely to cause some rifts in the community.
I am sure we'll get over it.