<!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Mar 24 2004, 03:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Mar 24 2004, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a pretty crappy day for me. My g/f found out that I still spank the monkey. I'm in the doghouse for that one. She's not here, if that's what you're wondering. If she were here, I wouldn't be doing that. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Your girlfriend has issues? Never mind. Mine has issues too... a lot of issues. In fact, I'd be perfectly happy if she'd be angry at me for spanking the monkey. Atleast I'd know why she's angry, instead of this lovely combination of passive-aggressive behaviour/psychological abuse/physical abuse I get on a daily basis.
I swear, the year-old relationship has probably made me look 5 years older, and in fact I can only blame myself for always coming back, saying "I can't leave you looking so unhappy" and letting her do the same stuff to my head/body again.
In other words, be grateful for a girlfriend that has an ounce of common sense.
Oh, and on-topic, I had a totally **** up day today. Nice to see some of you are doing better.
<!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Mar 24 2004, 02:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Mar 24 2004, 02:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a pretty crappy day for me. My g/f found out that I still spank the monkey. I'm in the doghouse for that one. She's not here, if that's what you're wondering. If she were here, I wouldn't be doing that. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Why is this bad?
<!--QuoteBegin-Jefe+Mar 24 2004, 05:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jefe @ Mar 24 2004, 05:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Mar 24 2004, 02:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Mar 24 2004, 02:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a pretty crappy day for me. My g/f found out that I still spank the monkey. I'm in the doghouse for that one. She's not here, if that's what you're wondering. If she were here, I wouldn't be doing that. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why is this bad? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Because women want every single aspect of your life to revolve around them.
Honestly if its THAT BAD with your girlfriend DUMP HER. **** I hear this bitching all the time blah blah mind games blah blah etc. God it makes me think that the person there with is the only one there ever gonna get and there just pathetically trying to hold on no matter what....
<!--QuoteBegin-Killymagee+Mar 24 2004, 05:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Killymagee @ Mar 24 2004, 05:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Honestly if its THAT BAD with your girlfriend DUMP HER. **** I hear this bitching all the time blah blah mind games blah blah etc. God it makes me think that the person there with is the only one there ever gonna get and there just pathetically trying to hold on no matter what.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You are perfectly right. Should've drawn the line when she hit me for the first time. I'm not trying to pathetically hold on to her. I've just been too weak to carry through with the "I don't really want this anymore", and always backed down. I know I should've never done that, and that if I feel like crap all the time, it's better for me to just run like hell and not care what happens around me.
<!--QuoteBegin-Shockwave+Mar 24 2004, 02:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Mar 24 2004, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why is coil King of Common Sense when I said the same thing three posts earlier!
*Shakes fist at mods*
KHHHAAAAANNNN!!!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But you're already king of Best Avatar And Sig Combo! :P
if you call that a good day, then this week was super? <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Wow... you guys are really scared of religion, aren't you?
Just because he told the guy (who is INTERESTED) about Christianity doesn't mean that he's never heard of anything else. I'd say it's quite the opposite, and to be honest I can tell right now that most of you who are so offended by this have no clue what true conversion means. I don't mean this as a personal attack on any of you, just that you haven't seen or experienced it the way it's meant to be.
I do not know about anyone else but when I first saw your post Gad, I wasn't going to say anything. However, on second thought, and after a bit of relaxtion, have to love working with high end speaker systems and electronics and GETTING PAID for it.
I would just like to say that for everyone who has ever even looked and compared different religions, they all say the same thing through various gimmicks and mantra. I have studied most of the relgions in the world, not all of them, but then there are well over 300 documented religions and that is not counting some of the dead ones, or supposed dead ones.
Most people who do not enjoy being "preached" at have teh same additude I do, and that is just annoyance and we just ignore it, however to claim that we do not know what being interested in religion or a particular one means, I do not find that very comforting you can assume that. I agree with ensuna and anyone else who says it is annoying.
I do apologize for any offense I may have incurred to you and any others, but that is the idea that I believe ensuna was trying to pass on.. [/off topic]
I had a wonderful day too, hehe have to love good days.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Mar 25 2004, 01:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Mar 25 2004, 01:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow... you guys are really scared of religion, aren't you?
Just because he told the guy (who is INTERESTED) about Christianity doesn't mean that he's never heard of anything else. I'd say it's quite the opposite, and to be honest I can tell right now that most of you who are so offended by this have no clue what true conversion means. I don't mean this as a personal attack on any of you, just that you haven't seen or experienced it the way it's meant to be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is where you read it wrong.
"he's really interested <b>it seems</b>"
Notice the fact that he has no idea if he actually is interested, he can only presume if he is.
The amount of times i've been abused on the street or at my front door by overwhelming christians is ridiculous that i'm sick of even hearing the idea of converting to Christianity. I know all Christians aren't like this, so don't even think of bringing that up to me, but i find the entire idea of "planting seeds" or "converting" people to a different / any religion sickening. If someone's interested in something i believe or feel very strongly about, throw them a few pages or books and let them make up your own mind.
Religion is how you percieve it, it's a very personal thing. Some people see different religions in different ways, and i don't think it's all too common to have people love their religion in the exact same way. I've met Christians who are disgusted at my, erm, tendencies, whereas i've met some who are entirely neutral, then again i've met some who are supportive. All people believing in the same religion from the same texts as everyone else.
I say if someone's interested in Christianity, tell them if they're really interested, to go check out a church service or read some of the bible, whatever, it's their decision and they don't need someone to be prodding them in the back with a stick.
<!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Mar 24 2004, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Mar 24 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I say if someone's interested in Christianity, tell them if they're really interested, to go check out a church service or read some of the bible, whatever, it's their decision and they don't need someone to be prodding them in the back with a stick.
And as a final note:
Suggestion = good. Preaching = bad. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I would not be a Christian today had someone not prodded me into making a decision about it.
I will be forever thankful.
The whole idea of making 'polite suggestions' kind of breaks down when you see your life being visably transformed by the hands of God. You want to tell every single person what it is that's making you so happy, what has given meaning, purpose, explanation, and comfort to your life.
It's as if you had just found the cure to cancer. Are you doing to sit and offer it to anyone who asks you if you have it, or are you going to shout from the rooftops, call up CNN, and tell everyone you meet that you've found it? To a Christian, Christ's work on the cross is that cure for everything we've found to be wrong in our lives. It would be nothing short of malicious if we did NOT try and share that message.
Quanaut, I'm glad you're having a good day, mine has sucked <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
I'll be praying about your friend, that's exciting stuff there.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited March 2004
Ok, thats friggin it.
First off, Esuna, step off your high-horse. I said "It seems" because he did in fact ask a question about it. I'm not so stupid as to do something like that.
Second off, too many people(which I bet 90% of you who are IN FACT BASHING Christianity or ANY religion right now) don't even understand the religion. This guy here though if you dissobeyed any of the rules, you go to hell, according to my religion, which I told him was VERY false, and that anyone can become Christian- they just have to "repent" and try and not do sins again(as much as humanly possible).
I wasn't "Preaching". I just kept explaining. And frankly, I think half you guys are just damned scared of religion because you like living the way you do now, and you think a religion would change that, when it is not that at all(or, at least not with Christianity). So get your facts straight before you bash.
[edit] <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It would be nothing short of malicious if we did NOT try and share that message.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Amen, brotha. You don't understand what it feels like until you feel it. I've been a Christian for a LONG time(all my life almost), and just now, I'm starting to understand and grow, and I can personally FEEL it. You don't understand until...you understand.
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edited March 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Mar 24 2004, 09:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Mar 24 2004, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The whole idea of making 'polite suggestions' kind of breaks down when you see your life being visably transformed by the hands of God. You want to tell every single person what it is that's making you so happy, what has given meaning, purpose, explanation, and comfort to your life. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Alright, going with that scenario, lets say you knew a guy whos new girlfriend is the absolute GREATEST in bed, it's like you hear abotu in movies the whole "religious experience" kinda thing, lets say that this guy was really depressed before, but now that this dude is all happy and lovin life thanks to this relationship, would you appreciate it if this dude kept telling you about his girlfriends sexual prowess? Even just mentioning it in conversation over and over? I don't think I'd enjoy that, I don't know about you.
Wow....I just used an anology comparing god to getting laid........I am totally going to hell.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
There's a difference in our eyes. While his relationship may be here and now, its not something he can carry past death. Ours is, whether you believe it or not.
Reqest to Mods: Please do not lock this topic. Let it just keep going, don't move it, or anything. Let it thrive, and have us get a good debate out of it.
<!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Mar 24 2004, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Mar 24 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The amount of times i've been abused on the street or at my front door by overwhelming christians is ridiculous that i'm sick of even hearing the idea of converting to Christianity. I know all Christians aren't like this, so don't even think of bringing that up to me, but i find the entire idea of "planting seeds" or "converting" people to a different / any religion sickening. If someone's interested in something i believe or feel very strongly about, throw them a few pages or books and let them make up your own mind. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm exactly the same way you are, esuna. I hate being told what to think, and I despise people telling me that everything I do is wrong, etc. However, I converted to Christianity about... a month and a half ago, I think. Before that, I was kind of agnostic, just didn't really know and didn't really care. But now, I believe. I wasn't pressured into it or anything, I just hung out with lots of guys who were Christians and started attending a bible study, and now I lead the thing from time to time. It's all in how the message is presented, and your (and my) attitude is a result of a lot of bad, bad approaches by some people who might mean well, but just come off really poorly.
In the end, it matters more to me the way people live their lives than whether or not they are a Christian. I know lots of people who are good people but don't believe, and I don't think less of them for that, so I get kind of irritated when people start thinking less of Christians just because we have beliefs. It's just discrimination.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Mar 24 2004, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Mar 24 2004, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Mar 24 2004, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Mar 24 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The amount of times i've been abused on the street or at my front door by overwhelming christians is ridiculous that i'm sick of even hearing the idea of converting to Christianity. I know all Christians aren't like this, so don't even think of bringing that up to me, but i find the entire idea of "planting seeds" or "converting" people to a different / any religion sickening. If someone's interested in something i believe or feel very strongly about, throw them a few pages or books and let them make up your own mind. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm exactly the same way you are, esuna. I hate being told what to think, and I despise people telling me that everything I do is wrong, etc. However, I converted to Christianity about... a month and a half ago, I think. Before that, I was kind of agnostic, just didn't really know and didn't really care. But now, I believe. I wasn't pressured into it or anything, I just hung out with lots of guys who were Christians and started attending a bible study, and now I lead the thing from time to time. It's all in how the message is presented, and your (and my) attitude is a result of a lot of bad, bad approaches by some people who might mean well, but just come off really poorly.
In the end, it matters more to me the way people live their lives than whether or not they are a Christian. I know lots of people who are good people but don't believe, and I don't think less of them for that, so I get kind of irritated when people start thinking less of Christians just because we have beliefs. It's just discrimination. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Truth Gadzuko.
And about the "Doorstep Christians". Thats a sect of Christianity called "Jehova's Witnesses". Its like the "Pilgrimage" thing for Muslim, where its like a right-of-passage thing. The best thing to do is just tell them that your not interested(or if your a Christian, just say so real fast). To be honest, they aren't really "Liked" by many of the Churches, for the same reason you guys don't like them- their too imposing of the beliefs. I agree, though I wouldn't condemn any of them to hell for it.
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<!--QuoteBegin-sp@zmong+Mar 24 2004, 10:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sp@zmong @ Mar 24 2004, 10:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, the love of god can be felt by anyone, whereas im sure this guy wouldnt want to come home and find you in his bed.
edit: eheh... that was to allurhive/lanfear <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well the question isn't whether or not what is being talked about can be experienced by anyone, the question is whether or not you would want to hear it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's a pretty crappy day for me. My g/f found out that I still spank the monkey. I'm in the doghouse for that one. She's not here, if that's what you're wondering. If she were here, I wouldn't be doing that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, my g/f watches me strangle the cyclops. If your girl is angry at you for doing that, she's not worth having around.
And to all the people in this thread attempting to argue against religion:
<a href='http://www.itsatrap.net/' target='_blank'>it's a trap!</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Mar 25 2004, 01:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Mar 25 2004, 01:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-sp@zmong+Mar 24 2004, 10:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sp@zmong @ Mar 24 2004, 10:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, the love of god can be felt by anyone, whereas im sure this guy wouldnt want to come home and find you in his bed.
edit: eheh... that was to allurhive/lanfear <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well the question isn't whether or not what is being talked about can be experienced by anyone, the question is whether or not you would want to hear it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> if you can experience it too, why not?
I am not sure how to respond without resorting to pure attacks, so I shall do my best. Oddly enough this is the only thing that even remotely interests me.
I HAVE had numerous and quite interesting experiences with Christianity, and a few others in the mix. From what I can deduce and this is just from reading each of the religions writings, is simply that they are ALL the SAME. No matter if you compare Islam, Native American Sioux, Buddist, Catholic, or generic Christianity. I do not see, at least not myself, how this basic moral system and very interesting if not sometimes humous stories can be so life alternating.
I simply do not understand what is so "radically new" that one can not experience in life without having to conform to one of the many and varied relgious exerpiences available.
*Edit* I wish I could continue this debate even longer tonight, it would be fun and I would love to, however work says I must leave at 9 :30 CST, so ... in 2 minutes I am leaving. Perhaps if another topic surfaces I shall post at that time. Good night all :-)
<!--QuoteBegin-WoT|Lanfear+Mar 24 2004, 10:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WoT|Lanfear @ Mar 24 2004, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am not sure how to respond without resorting to pure attacks, so I shall do my best. Oddly enough this is the only thing that even remotely interests me.
I HAVE had numerous and quite interesting experiences with Christianity, and a few others in the mix. From what I can deduce and this is just from reading each of the religions writings, is simply that they are ALL the SAME. No matter if you compare Islam, Native American Sioux, Buddist, Catholic, or generic Christianity. I do not see, at least not myself, how this basic moral system and very interesting if not sometimes humous stories can be so life alternating.
I simply do not understand what is so "radically new" that one can not experience in life without having to conform to one of the many and varied relgious exerpiences available.
*Edit* I wish I could continue this debate even longer tonight, it would be fun and I would love to, however work says I must leave at 9 :30 CST, so ... in 2 minutes I am leaving. Perhaps if another topic surfaces I shall post at that time. Good night all :-) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, they are exactly the same...
Except of course, for the minor differences on views on sin, Heaven, hell, creation, the nature of God, the nature of Man, God's relationship to Man, and salvation.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
First off Lanfear, there are a few things your missing.
Unless your some kind of Sex-Loving Child-Murdering Taxes Cheating ****, you probably won't be "Conforming". And the payoff is this: The FEELING you get when you understand it. To be honest, its like a MMORPG. Yeah, you have to pay time and money(or in this case, time and brain power/heart power) to get it, but once you get that one feeling...you'll never need much anything else, either that, or you just want to get more of it and get others to feel it to. This isn't something someone just "Made Up", whether you'd like to believe it or not. This is something that you can feel.
<!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Mar 24 2004, 11:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Mar 24 2004, 11:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-WoT|Lanfear+Mar 24 2004, 10:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WoT|Lanfear @ Mar 24 2004, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am not sure how to respond without resorting to pure attacks, so I shall do my best. Oddly enough this is the only thing that even remotely interests me.
I HAVE had numerous and quite interesting experiences with Christianity, and a few others in the mix. From what I can deduce and this is just from reading each of the religions writings, is simply that they are ALL the SAME. No matter if you compare Islam, Native American Sioux, Buddist, Catholic, or generic Christianity. I do not see, at least not myself, how this basic moral system and very interesting if not sometimes humous stories can be so life alternating.
I simply do not understand what is so "radically new" that one can not experience in life without having to conform to one of the many and varied relgious exerpiences available.
*Edit* I wish I could continue this debate even longer tonight, it would be fun and I would love to, however work says I must leave at 9 :30 CST, so ... in 2 minutes I am leaving. Perhaps if another topic surfaces I shall post at that time. Good night all :-) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, they are exactly the same...
Except of course, for the minor differences on views on sin, Heaven, hell, creation, the nature of God, the nature of Man, God's relationship to Man, and salvation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But they all have the same core idea, loving God. Ghandi wrote an entire book on how all religions are the same titles <i>All Religions Are True</i>. However, it is largely critized and disputed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Mar 24 2004, 10:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Mar 24 2004, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And the payoff is this: The FEELING you get when you understand it. To be honest, its like a MMORPG. Yeah, you have to pay time and money(or in this case, time and brain power/heart power) to get it, but once you get that one feeling...you'll never need much anything else, either that, or you just want to get more of it and get others to feel it to. This isn't something someone just "Made Up", whether you'd like to believe it or not. This is something that you can feel. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think that's a horrible analogy..
But just like many things, I would recommend both sides to stop talking about this. You won't change anyone's beliefs tonight.
My personal beliefs on this, as if they'll matter--tried religion, liked its morals, hated its people/history.
BTW: One of my friends described it best. She has 'faith.' She believes in something she can't see, she can't touch, she can't guarantee is there, outside of through 'faith'. Be happy you have something called faith!
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hawkeye, why won't your gf let you relieve yourself :o!?!
Your girlfriend has issues? Never mind. Mine has issues too... a lot of issues. In fact, I'd be perfectly happy if she'd be angry at me for spanking the monkey. Atleast I'd know why she's angry, instead of this lovely combination of passive-aggressive behaviour/psychological abuse/physical abuse I get on a daily basis.
I swear, the year-old relationship has probably made me look 5 years older, and in fact I can only blame myself for always coming back, saying "I can't leave you looking so unhappy" and letting her do the same stuff to my head/body again.
In other words, be grateful for a girlfriend that has an ounce of common sense.
Oh, and on-topic, I had a totally **** up day today. Nice to see some of you are doing better.
Why is this bad?
Why is this bad? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because women want every single aspect of your life to revolve around them.
You are perfectly right. Should've drawn the line when she hit me for the first time. I'm not trying to pathetically hold on to her. I've just been too weak to carry through with the "I don't really want this anymore", and always backed down. I know I should've never done that, and that if I feel like crap all the time, it's better for me to just run like hell and not care what happens around me.
Sorry for the derail, lads.
*Shakes fist at mods*
KHHHAAAAANNNN!!!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But you're already king of Best Avatar And Sig Combo! :P
Just because he told the guy (who is INTERESTED) about Christianity doesn't mean that he's never heard of anything else. I'd say it's quite the opposite, and to be honest I can tell right now that most of you who are so offended by this have no clue what true conversion means. I don't mean this as a personal attack on any of you, just that you haven't seen or experienced it the way it's meant to be.
I would just like to say that for everyone who has ever even looked and compared different religions, they all say the same thing through various gimmicks and mantra. I have studied most of the relgions in the world, not all of them, but then there are well over 300 documented religions and that is not counting some of the dead ones, or supposed dead ones.
Most people who do not enjoy being "preached" at have teh same additude I do, and that is just annoyance and we just ignore it, however to claim that we do not know what being interested in religion or a particular one means, I do not find that very comforting you can assume that. I agree with ensuna and anyone else who says it is annoying.
I do apologize for any offense I may have incurred to you and any others, but that is the idea that I believe ensuna was trying to pass on.. [/off topic]
I had a wonderful day too, hehe have to love good days.
Just because he told the guy (who is INTERESTED) about Christianity doesn't mean that he's never heard of anything else. I'd say it's quite the opposite, and to be honest I can tell right now that most of you who are so offended by this have no clue what true conversion means. I don't mean this as a personal attack on any of you, just that you haven't seen or experienced it the way it's meant to be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is where you read it wrong.
"he's really interested <b>it seems</b>"
Notice the fact that he has no idea if he actually is interested, he can only presume if he is.
The amount of times i've been abused on the street or at my front door by overwhelming christians is ridiculous that i'm sick of even hearing the idea of converting to Christianity. I know all Christians aren't like this, so don't even think of bringing that up to me, but i find the entire idea of "planting seeds" or "converting" people to a different / any religion sickening. If someone's interested in something i believe or feel very strongly about, throw them a few pages or books and let them make up your own mind.
Religion is how you percieve it, it's a very personal thing. Some people see different religions in different ways, and i don't think it's all too common to have people love their religion in the exact same way. I've met Christians who are disgusted at my, erm, tendencies, whereas i've met some who are entirely neutral, then again i've met some who are supportive. All people believing in the same religion from the same texts as everyone else.
I say if someone's interested in Christianity, tell them if they're really interested, to go check out a church service or read some of the bible, whatever, it's their decision and they don't need someone to be prodding them in the back with a stick.
And as a final note:
Suggestion = good.
Preaching = bad.
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I would not be a Christian today had someone not prodded me into making a decision about it.
I will be forever thankful.
The whole idea of making 'polite suggestions' kind of breaks down when you see your life being visably transformed by the hands of God. You want to tell every single person what it is that's making you so happy, what has given meaning, purpose, explanation, and comfort to your life.
It's as if you had just found the cure to cancer. Are you doing to sit and offer it to anyone who asks you if you have it, or are you going to shout from the rooftops, call up CNN, and tell everyone you meet that you've found it? To a Christian, Christ's work on the cross is that cure for everything we've found to be wrong in our lives. It would be nothing short of malicious if we did NOT try and share that message.
Quanaut, I'm glad you're having a good day, mine has sucked <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
I'll be praying about your friend, that's exciting stuff there.
First off, Esuna, step off your high-horse. I said "It seems" because he did in fact ask a question about it. I'm not so stupid as to do something like that.
Second off, too many people(which I bet 90% of you who are IN FACT BASHING Christianity or ANY religion right now) don't even understand the religion. This guy here though if you dissobeyed any of the rules, you go to hell, according to my religion, which I told him was VERY false, and that anyone can become Christian- they just have to "repent" and try and not do sins again(as much as humanly possible).
I wasn't "Preaching". I just kept explaining. And frankly, I think half you guys are just damned scared of religion because you like living the way you do now, and you think a religion would change that, when it is not that at all(or, at least not with Christianity). So get your facts straight before you bash.
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Amen, brotha. You don't understand what it feels like until you feel it. I've been a Christian for a LONG time(all my life almost), and just now, I'm starting to understand and grow, and I can personally FEEL it. You don't understand until...you understand.
Alright, going with that scenario, lets say you knew a guy whos new girlfriend is the absolute GREATEST in bed, it's like you hear abotu in movies the whole "religious experience" kinda thing, lets say that this guy was really depressed before, but now that this dude is all happy and lovin life thanks to this relationship, would you appreciate it if this dude kept telling you about his girlfriends sexual prowess? Even just mentioning it in conversation over and over? I don't think I'd enjoy that, I don't know about you.
Wow....I just used an anology comparing god to getting laid........I am totally going to hell.
*Edit* I liked his analogy it actually works quite well. :-)
Reqest to Mods: Please do not lock this topic. Let it just keep going, don't move it, or anything. Let it thrive, and have us get a good debate out of it.
I'm exactly the same way you are, esuna. I hate being told what to think, and I despise people telling me that everything I do is wrong, etc. However, I converted to Christianity about... a month and a half ago, I think. Before that, I was kind of agnostic, just didn't really know and didn't really care. But now, I believe. I wasn't pressured into it or anything, I just hung out with lots of guys who were Christians and started attending a bible study, and now I lead the thing from time to time. It's all in how the message is presented, and your (and my) attitude is a result of a lot of bad, bad approaches by some people who might mean well, but just come off really poorly.
In the end, it matters more to me the way people live their lives than whether or not they are a Christian. I know lots of people who are good people but don't believe, and I don't think less of them for that, so I get kind of irritated when people start thinking less of Christians just because we have beliefs. It's just discrimination.
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I'm exactly the same way you are, esuna. I hate being told what to think, and I despise people telling me that everything I do is wrong, etc. However, I converted to Christianity about... a month and a half ago, I think. Before that, I was kind of agnostic, just didn't really know and didn't really care. But now, I believe. I wasn't pressured into it or anything, I just hung out with lots of guys who were Christians and started attending a bible study, and now I lead the thing from time to time. It's all in how the message is presented, and your (and my) attitude is a result of a lot of bad, bad approaches by some people who might mean well, but just come off really poorly.
In the end, it matters more to me the way people live their lives than whether or not they are a Christian. I know lots of people who are good people but don't believe, and I don't think less of them for that, so I get kind of irritated when people start thinking less of Christians just because we have beliefs. It's just discrimination. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Truth Gadzuko.
And about the "Doorstep Christians". Thats a sect of Christianity called "Jehova's Witnesses". Its like the "Pilgrimage" thing for Muslim, where its like a right-of-passage thing. The best thing to do is just tell them that your not interested(or if your a Christian, just say so real fast). To be honest, they aren't really "Liked" by many of the Churches, for the same reason you guys don't like them- their too imposing of the beliefs. I agree, though I wouldn't condemn any of them to hell for it.
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Well the question isn't whether or not what is being talked about can be experienced by anyone, the question is whether or not you would want to hear it.
Dude, my g/f watches me strangle the cyclops. If your girl is angry at you for doing that, she's not worth having around.
And to all the people in this thread attempting to argue against religion:
<a href='http://www.itsatrap.net/' target='_blank'>it's a trap!</a>
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Well the question isn't whether or not what is being talked about can be experienced by anyone, the question is whether or not you would want to hear it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
if you can experience it too, why not?
I HAVE had numerous and quite interesting experiences with Christianity, and a few others in the mix. From what I can deduce and this is just from reading each of the religions writings, is simply that they are ALL the SAME. No matter if you compare Islam, Native American Sioux, Buddist, Catholic, or generic Christianity. I do not see, at least not myself, how this basic moral system and very interesting if not sometimes humous stories can be so life alternating.
I simply do not understand what is so "radically new" that one can not experience in life without having to conform to one of the many and varied relgious exerpiences available.
*Edit* I wish I could continue this debate even longer tonight, it would be fun and I would love to, however work says I must leave at 9 :30 CST, so ... in 2 minutes I am leaving. Perhaps if another topic surfaces I shall post at that time. Good night all :-)
I HAVE had numerous and quite interesting experiences with Christianity, and a few others in the mix. From what I can deduce and this is just from reading each of the religions writings, is simply that they are ALL the SAME. No matter if you compare Islam, Native American Sioux, Buddist, Catholic, or generic Christianity. I do not see, at least not myself, how this basic moral system and very interesting if not sometimes humous stories can be so life alternating.
I simply do not understand what is so "radically new" that one can not experience in life without having to conform to one of the many and varied relgious exerpiences available.
*Edit* I wish I could continue this debate even longer tonight, it would be fun and I would love to, however work says I must leave at 9 :30 CST, so ... in 2 minutes I am leaving. Perhaps if another topic surfaces I shall post at that time. Good night all :-) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, they are exactly the same...
Except of course, for the minor differences on views on sin, Heaven, hell, creation, the nature of God, the nature of Man, God's relationship to Man, and salvation.
Unless your some kind of Sex-Loving Child-Murdering Taxes Cheating ****, you probably won't be "Conforming". And the payoff is this: The FEELING you get when you understand it. To be honest, its like a MMORPG. Yeah, you have to pay time and money(or in this case, time and brain power/heart power) to get it, but once you get that one feeling...you'll never need much anything else, either that, or you just want to get more of it and get others to feel it to. This isn't something someone just "Made Up", whether you'd like to believe it or not. This is something that you can feel.
I HAVE had numerous and quite interesting experiences with Christianity, and a few others in the mix. From what I can deduce and this is just from reading each of the religions writings, is simply that they are ALL the SAME. No matter if you compare Islam, Native American Sioux, Buddist, Catholic, or generic Christianity. I do not see, at least not myself, how this basic moral system and very interesting if not sometimes humous stories can be so life alternating.
I simply do not understand what is so "radically new" that one can not experience in life without having to conform to one of the many and varied relgious exerpiences available.
*Edit* I wish I could continue this debate even longer tonight, it would be fun and I would love to, however work says I must leave at 9 :30 CST, so ... in 2 minutes I am leaving. Perhaps if another topic surfaces I shall post at that time. Good night all :-) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, they are exactly the same...
Except of course, for the minor differences on views on sin, Heaven, hell, creation, the nature of God, the nature of Man, God's relationship to Man, and salvation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But they all have the same core idea, loving God. Ghandi wrote an entire book on how all religions are the same titles <i>All Religions Are True</i>. However, it is largely critized and disputed.
I think that's a horrible analogy..
But just like many things, I would recommend both sides to stop talking about this. You won't change anyone's beliefs tonight.
My personal beliefs on this, as if they'll matter--tried religion, liked its morals, hated its people/history.
BTW: One of my friends described it best. She has 'faith.' She believes in something she can't see, she can't touch, she can't guarantee is there, outside of through 'faith'. Be happy you have something called faith!