<!--quoteo(post=1654042:date=Oct 4 2007, 06:51 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Oct 4 2007, 06:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1654042"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Although it's common knowledge that dogs respond to "reward and punishment" training much like humans they're an entirely different "breed". Don't forget they communicate in an entirely different language, one which humans do not speak.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->They are more communicative than any other animal though, what with being bred for so long. For example, a dog confronted with a problem will look at its owner for assistance. <!--quoteo(post=1654042:date=Oct 4 2007, 06:51 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Oct 4 2007, 06:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1654042"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Humans attempt to analyze animals and have studied their behavior for centuries, yet incidences like this topic still happen far to often.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Probably because the people who analyzed and studied the animals aren't the ones who end up in the media.
Yes, even an attacking police dog does not display aggression. It is still just following its training. A dog that appears aggressive when attacking its target won't get to police duty in the first place.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
While we're on the subject of behavior patterns, why don't we analyze why the average person wants to own a "purebred rednose game pit" in the first place? Here are my best guesses:
- history and reputation for viciousness - assumption of "strongest biting strength of any dog"
Both good traits in family dogs!
Really, maybe we should put down the pitbull owners.
AbraWould you kindlyJoin Date: 2003-08-17Member: 19870Members
Really, I'm mostly against pitbulls only because of the fact that people who own them (here anyway) are all of the lower social class, and intelligence - not because of the dog, but they are, and they often get that race.
This isn't really directly related, but I have an interesting anecdote about predatory animals sensing weakness. I was at the zoo once. The lions in the lion enclosure were lazy and asleep as they often are. People were coming and going and the lions weren't moving. Then a mother came along with her daughter who appeard to have Down Syndrome. The lions immediately lept up and started patrolling the front of the cage, agitated, and growling. It was very interesting and a little creepy to see.
I am a little dissapointed in the ignorance in some of you people.
Pit bull is NOT a breed. It's a generic term often used to describe all dogs with similar traits and characteristics often known by the public as "pit bulls" most "pit bulls" are a mix breed of bulldog and terrier.
"They were bred to be intelligent and level-headed during fights and remain non-aggressive toward their handlers. Part of the standard for organized dog-fighting required that the match referee who is unacquainted with the dog be able to enter the ring, pick up a dog while it was engaged in a fight, and get the respective owner to carry it out of the ring without being bitten. Dogs that bit the referee were culled."
Not all pitbulls are bad like you are assuming.. <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Although friendliness and tolerance towards humans are traits of the breed [citation needed], there are, as in any breed, those that are dangerous toward humans. It is the owner's responsibility to be in total control of his dog, and it is the owner who, through intentional mistreatment or neglect, is frequently responsible for pit bull bites. Many attacks by other dog breeds are misclassified as "pit bulls" by media reports.[5]
Regardless of who they are, any owner of a pit bull must train the dog well. Lack of proper socialization and strong training can result in a dog with aggressive tendencies. Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, pit bulls (or any other large breed) can become very dangerous dogs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
heres a question,
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->you raise two young siamese cats, the first cat named "1" is a overly bred siamese cat, its build is alot thinner and although its ancestors originate from egypt it has been overly bred to meet the requirements of its american fans.. the second cat named "2" is also from egypt, but the breeders had kept its traditional breeding pure to keep it for its original purpose..
lets say now 1 and 2 are 7 years old, they have loving homes and are never mistreated, suddenly 1 decides to go awol and attack and badly wound its owner..
now remember 1 was severly bred to change shape and personality, while 2 being the exact same breed of cat, was not changed in breeding.. should the owner kill both cats because they are both siamese?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont think ALL pitbulls should be killed.. The pitbull is a great family dog if it is given the correct discipline and knows who is the boss in the house..
the attack on the owner from those two pitbulls is sad, but you have to take into account the back story, had the pitbulls been hit for doing something wrong, but hit too late when they forgot what they did wrong.. many owners hit their pets when they do something wrong, but most do it hours after they have done it and when they find out they did do it.. causing confusion in the dog and a very unstable attitude..
was the owner returning back home with something over their head, confusing the dogs of who it was...
sure we may have bred them into this world, but if someone told you your most loved pet is on the most dangerous list.. would you kill your own loved pet, or take the chance..
myself i would take the damned chance because i think every animal has the right to live like we do, and we dont have any right to say who can or cant live on this earth.. no matter how the hell they came to be on this stupid planet..
anyone who thinks they have any right to demolish a species on this planet is selfish and ignorant...
Those who claim that pit bull is not a breed are splitting hairs. Although the American Pit Bull Terrier is not recognized by the American Kennel Club (unlike the closely related breeds the American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier) it is recognized by the United Kennel Club. The largest registry for the APBT is the American Dog Breeders Assoc. It is a breed of dog in the terrier group, one of several breeds loosely classified as pit bulls.
I still think the AKC should recognize them as the UKC does, and then the U.S. needs to prohibit owning them as pets, as the U.K. does.
<!--quoteo(post=1654355:date=Oct 6 2007, 06:21 AM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Swiftspear @ Oct 6 2007, 06:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1654355"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There was this guy who accidentally shot his face off with a shotgun too. The US should ban people from owning guns the way the UK does.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Another subject. Besides, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Having a dog or cat is like having a child, and I'm done raising children. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Private_ColemanPhD in Video GamesJoin Date: 2002-11-07Member: 7510Members
edited October 2007
Pitbulls are fine you ######s, leave them alone. Sure there are a bunch of vicious ones like any other breed which should be put down, but there are plenty of ones that are quite nice and lovely. You wouldn't even hear this story if it wasn't a TERRORIST PIT BULL
christ you have a better chance of getting in a car crash than being attacked by some chump's dog. Why don't you just go kill everything nuke the planet so you'll be "safe"
<!--quoteo(post=1654370:date=Oct 6 2007, 08:11 AM:name=Aldaris)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aldaris @ Oct 6 2007, 08:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1654370"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And only outlaws would have pit bulls. It really wouldn't make that much of a differene.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you saying that since they've outlawed pit bulls in the U.K. there's no difference in their population? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
The point being. Just because the UK does something doesn't make it smart/right. Just because something is potentially dangerous, doesn't mean everyone should be restricted from having it. Just because one instance can be pointed out where every precaution didn't result in a safe happy result, doesn't mean every case will be the same.
Genocide over a case scenario is just a shade away from retarded. I can agree that in principle that pitbull breeding should be banned/restricted if the statistics support it, that IMO is a feasable approach to address a possible problem, that being said, if someone wants a dangerous dog I don't think that, as Americans, it's appropriate to disallow them.
<!--quoteo(post=1653851:date=Oct 3 2007, 05:30 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Oct 3 2007, 05:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1653851"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And the reason they're illegal in the U.K. is? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Because the government in the UK is completely retarded and feels the need to control way more aspects of their citizens' lives than is necessary.
I thought the NS forums were going downhill before this, and this just confirms it for me. <b>ANY</b> dog has the potential to be vicious. Yes, smaller dogs like a chihuahua can't do as much damage to a full-grown human, but I'm willing to bet that there are a hell of a lot more chihuahua attacks than there are pit bull attacks. Chihuahuas are completely neurotic. Dog attack records are completely flawed, because people are less likely to report a non-lethal attack, especially if it's from one of the "cute" breeds.
This <b>DOES NOT</b> mean that they should be banned. This means that you have to be smart about it and raise them properly. Keep in mind that pit bulls were bred to fight OTHER DOGS, not humans. They were bred to be extremely loyal to humans, since you want to minimize the risk of getting bitten when you have to wade into a dog fight and break it up. The only reason a dog will ever attack a human is if it's not under control, pit bull or not.
And Kyliegirl is right, pit bulls aren't a specific breed. That's just another reason why a ban on them is completely stupid. People even tend to lump breeds like boxers into the pit bull category.
Seriously Depot, you've always seemed like an intelligent person. I expected a lot more from you than a completely unjustified "KILL 'EM ALL" reaction. You seem to get your entire impression of pit bulls from the media, which is also much more likely to report on a dog attack from an infamous breed (especially if they look vaguely like what people think a pit bull is).
Oddly enough the number of pit bulls given up, and now staying in humane societies and what not in the city, has tripled since this incident. I know, the "breed" is getting a bad rap but hell, they deserve it. Along with Dobermans, Rottweilers, Chows, etc.... ... .. .
<!--sizeo:1--><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->This whole mess could make ma a cat-lover, and we all know what I think of cats, don't we? At least cats don't chase you when you're running or cycling.<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
<!--quoteo(post=1660028:date=Nov 9 2007, 06:09 AM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Nov 9 2007, 06:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1660028"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oddly enough the number of pit bulls given up, and now staying in humane societies and what not in the city, has tripled since this incident. I know, the "breed" is getting a bad rap but hell, they deserve it. Along with Dobermans, Rottweilers, Chows, etc.... ... .. . <!--sizeo:1--><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->This whole mess could make ma a cat-lover, and we all know what I think of cats, don't we? At least cats don't chase you when you're running or cycling.<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why do they deserve to get a bad rap more than any other breed of dog? The breed of dog does make a difference, but it's not like you can't control them. Dogs don't just "turn" on their masters without some sort of illness, assuming that the dog actually viewed you as the alpha in the first place. Dog society is all about who's in control, and if you're not in control, then the dog thinks that they are in control.
<!--quoteo(post=1660039:date=Nov 9 2007, 09:45 AM:name=CForrester)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CForrester @ Nov 9 2007, 09:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1660039"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why do they deserve to get a bad rap more than any other breed of dog? The breed of dog does make a difference, but it's not like you can't control them. Dogs don't just "turn" on their masters without some sort of illness, assuming that the dog actually viewed you as the alpha in the first place. Dog society is all about who's in control, and if you're not in control, then the dog thinks that they are in control.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah, I think that the worst situation is when they view you as the alpha dog, but as a weak alpha dog... and then they decide to 'take power' from you in a violent coup. sounds like what happened with this poor lady.
<!--quoteo(post=1653616:date=Oct 2 2007, 05:43 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Oct 2 2007, 05:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1653616"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[...] Every damn one of them ought to be slaughtered as far as I'm concerned. I'm getting tired of hearing about this every damn week, something needs to be done.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I retract this statement, it was made at a time when I was angered, hurt, and confused.
<!--quoteo(post=1660054:date=Nov 9 2007, 01:24 PM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Nov 9 2007, 01:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1660054"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Havn't this been discussed?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yus, I clarified it for CForrester who evidently missed it.
<!--quoteo(post=1660039:date=Nov 9 2007, 10:45 AM:name=CForrester)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CForrester @ Nov 9 2007, 10:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1660039"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>Why do they deserve to get a bad rap more than any other breed of dog?</b> <b>The breed of dog does make a difference</b>, but it's not like you can't control them. Dogs don't just "turn" on their masters without some sort of illness, assuming that the dog actually viewed you as the alpha in the first place. Dog society is all about who's in control, and if you're not in control, then the dog thinks that they are in control.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You... answered your own question?
Pitbulls are more likely to be violent then other breeds, it's pure genetics. Is that so hard to understand?
<!--quoteo(post=1660057:date=Nov 9 2007, 03:10 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Nov 9 2007, 03:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1660057"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Pitbulls are more likely to be violent then other breeds, it's pure genetics. Is that so hard to understand?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You've pinpointed the gene(s) that code for violent behavior in dogs and fully understand how they are expresed, once and for all putting to rest the Nature vs. Nurture argument?
Holy shiat, screw Al Gore, you should be getting a Nobel Prize.
<!--quoteo(post=1660059:date=Nov 9 2007, 02:43 PM:name=pardzh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pardzh @ Nov 9 2007, 02:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1660059"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You've pinpointed the gene(s) that code for violent behavior in dogs and fully understand how they are expresed, once and for all putting to rest the Nature vs. Nurture argument?
Holy shiat, screw Al Gore, you should be getting a Nobel Prize.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> lololollercast..... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1660059:date=Nov 9 2007, 03:43 PM:name=pardzh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pardzh @ Nov 9 2007, 03:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1660059"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You've pinpointed the gene(s) that code for violent behavior in dogs and fully understand how they are expresed, once and for all putting to rest the Nature vs. Nurture argument?
Holy shiat, screw Al Gore, you should be getting a Nobel Prize.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Violence/anger just like every other emotion are just caused by impulses in the brain (Unless you believe there is some magical soul at work there, in which case Im wasting my time) all of which can be influenced by chemicals that are introduced into the brain. Is it that hard to believe that an animal originally bred to fight and kill other animals has taken on a trait that makes him more predisposed to violence, a trait which would benefit its ability to fight?
Infact, lets consider occam's razor. The simplest explanation it usually the correct one. Now tell me, which is simpler? Apparently an overwhelming majority of people raise an otherwise peaceful animal to be dangerous
Or
A hereditary trait makes it predisposed to violence?
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<!--quoteo(post=1654042:date=Oct 4 2007, 06:51 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Oct 4 2007, 06:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1654042"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Humans attempt to analyze animals and have studied their behavior for centuries, yet incidences like this topic still happen far to often.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Probably because the people who analyzed and studied the animals aren't the ones who end up in the media.
- history and reputation for viciousness
- assumption of "strongest biting strength of any dog"
Both good traits in family dogs!
Really, maybe we should put down the pitbull owners.
Pit bull is NOT a breed. It's a generic term often used to describe all dogs with similar traits and characteristics often known by the public as "pit bulls" most "pit bulls" are a mix breed of bulldog and terrier.
"They were bred to be intelligent and level-headed during fights and remain non-aggressive toward their handlers. Part of the standard for organized dog-fighting required that the match referee who is unacquainted with the dog be able to enter the ring, pick up a dog while it was engaged in a fight, and get the respective owner to carry it out of the ring without being bitten. Dogs that bit the referee were culled."
Not all pitbulls are bad like you are assuming..
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Although friendliness and tolerance towards humans are traits of the breed [citation needed], there are, as in any breed, those that are dangerous toward humans. It is the owner's responsibility to be in total control of his dog, and it is the owner who, through intentional mistreatment or neglect, is frequently responsible for pit bull bites. Many attacks by other dog breeds are misclassified as "pit bulls" by media reports.[5]
Regardless of who they are, any owner of a pit bull must train the dog well. Lack of proper socialization and strong training can result in a dog with aggressive tendencies. Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, pit bulls (or any other large breed) can become very dangerous dogs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
heres a question,
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->you raise two young siamese cats, the first cat named "1" is a overly bred siamese cat, its build is alot thinner and although its ancestors originate from egypt it has been overly bred to meet the requirements of its american fans.. the second cat named "2" is also from egypt, but the breeders had kept its traditional breeding pure to keep it for its original purpose..
lets say now 1 and 2 are 7 years old, they have loving homes and are never mistreated, suddenly 1 decides to go awol and attack and badly wound its owner..
now remember 1 was severly bred to change shape and personality, while 2 being the exact same breed of cat, was not changed in breeding..
should the owner kill both cats because they are both siamese?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont think ALL pitbulls should be killed.. The pitbull is a great family dog if it is given the correct discipline and knows who is the boss in the house..
the attack on the owner from those two pitbulls is sad, but you have to take into account the back story, had the pitbulls been hit for doing something wrong, but hit too late when they forgot what they did wrong.. many owners hit their pets when they do something wrong, but most do it hours after they have done it and when they find out they did do it.. causing confusion in the dog and a very unstable attitude..
was the owner returning back home with something over their head, confusing the dogs of who it was...
sure we may have bred them into this world, but if someone told you your most loved pet is on the most dangerous list.. would you kill your own loved pet, or take the chance..
myself i would take the damned chance because i think every animal has the right to live like we do, and we dont have any right to say who can or cant live on this earth.. no matter how the hell they came to be on this stupid planet..
anyone who thinks they have any right to demolish a species on this planet is selfish and ignorant...
I still think the AKC should recognize them as the UKC does, and then the U.S. needs to prohibit owning them as pets, as the U.K. does.
Another subject. Besides, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
christ you have a better chance of getting in a car crash than being attacked by some chump's dog. Why don't you just go kill everything nuke the planet so you'll be "safe"
Are you saying that since they've outlawed pit bulls in the U.K. there's no difference in their population? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
Genocide over a case scenario is just a shade away from retarded. I can agree that in principle that pitbull breeding should be banned/restricted if the statistics support it, that IMO is a feasable approach to address a possible problem, that being said, if someone wants a dangerous dog I don't think that, as Americans, it's appropriate to disallow them.
I saw this vid and could not resist bumping this thread. lulz.
I saw this vid and could not resist bumping this thread. lulz.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was unmoved ;|
Because the government in the UK is completely retarded and feels the need to control way more aspects of their citizens' lives than is necessary.
I thought the NS forums were going downhill before this, and this just confirms it for me. <b>ANY</b> dog has the potential to be vicious. Yes, smaller dogs like a chihuahua can't do as much damage to a full-grown human, but I'm willing to bet that there are a hell of a lot more chihuahua attacks than there are pit bull attacks. Chihuahuas are completely neurotic. Dog attack records are completely flawed, because people are less likely to report a non-lethal attack, especially if it's from one of the "cute" breeds.
This <b>DOES NOT</b> mean that they should be banned. This means that you have to be smart about it and raise them properly. Keep in mind that pit bulls were bred to fight OTHER DOGS, not humans. They were bred to be extremely loyal to humans, since you want to minimize the risk of getting bitten when you have to wade into a dog fight and break it up. The only reason a dog will ever attack a human is if it's not under control, pit bull or not.
And Kyliegirl is right, pit bulls aren't a specific breed. That's just another reason why a ban on them is completely stupid. People even tend to lump breeds like boxers into the pit bull category.
Seriously Depot, you've always seemed like an intelligent person. I expected a lot more from you than a completely unjustified "KILL 'EM ALL" reaction. You seem to get your entire impression of pit bulls from the media, which is also much more likely to report on a dog attack from an infamous breed (especially if they look vaguely like what people think a pit bull is).
<!--sizeo:1--><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->This whole mess could make ma a cat-lover, and we all know what I think of cats, don't we? At least cats don't chase you when you're running or cycling.<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
<!--sizeo:1--><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->This whole mess could make ma a cat-lover, and we all know what I think of cats, don't we? At least cats don't chase you when you're running or cycling.<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why do they deserve to get a bad rap more than any other breed of dog? The breed of dog does make a difference, but it's not like you can't control them. Dogs don't just "turn" on their masters without some sort of illness, assuming that the dog actually viewed you as the alpha in the first place. Dog society is all about who's in control, and if you're not in control, then the dog thinks that they are in control.
yeah, I think that the worst situation is when they view you as the alpha dog, but as a weak alpha dog... and then they decide to 'take power' from you in a violent coup. sounds like what happened with this poor lady.
I retract this statement, it was made at a time when I was angered, hurt, and confused.
Yus, I clarified it for CForrester who evidently missed it.
You... answered your own question?
Pitbulls are more likely to be violent then other breeds, it's pure genetics. Is that so hard to understand?
You've pinpointed the gene(s) that code for violent behavior in dogs and fully understand how they are expresed, once and for all putting to rest the Nature vs. Nurture argument?
Holy shiat, screw Al Gore, you should be getting a Nobel Prize.
Holy shiat, screw Al Gore, you should be getting a Nobel Prize.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lololollercast..... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Holy shiat, screw Al Gore, you should be getting a Nobel Prize.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Violence/anger just like every other emotion are just caused by impulses in the brain (Unless you believe there is some magical soul at work there, in which case Im wasting my time) all of which can be influenced by chemicals that are introduced into the brain. Is it that hard to believe that an animal originally bred to fight and kill other animals has taken on a trait that makes him more predisposed to violence, a trait which would benefit its ability to fight?
Infact, lets consider occam's razor. The simplest explanation it usually the correct one. Now tell me, which is simpler?
Apparently an overwhelming majority of people raise an otherwise peaceful animal to be dangerous
Or
A hereditary trait makes it predisposed to violence?