This might be a bad time (and it's only on-topic as an extension to my previous reveal of the NS2 pistol :P), but i was always under the impression that either the British made Sten or Sterling submachineguns were the inspiration for the light machine gun in NS1.
<img src="http://www.bryns.co.uk/ns/images/tutorial/lmg_final_full.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /> (remember the shape of the stock and scope, the magazine, the "air holes" in the forward grip, and the angled shape of the pistol grip of this weapon)
Ofcourse the only similarity was the magazine being inserted on the side... to those British guns.
Took a look at the NS2 lmg and tried to see if i could find a German WW2 weapon that was more then obvioussly an "inspiration".
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FG_42" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FG_42</a> "The FG 42 (German: Fallschirmjägergewehr 42 or "paratroop rifle model 1942") was a selective fire automatic rifle produced in Nazi Germany during World War II. The weapon was developed specifically for the use with Fallschirmjäger airborne infantry in 1942 and was used in very limited numbers until the end of the war. It combined the characteristics and firepower of a light machine gun in a lightweight form no larger than the standard-issue Kar 98k bolt-action rifle. Considered one of the most advanced weapon designs of World War II,[1][2] the FG 42 influenced post-war small arms development (particularly in the M60 machine gun) and ultimately helped to shape the modern assault rifle concept.[3] The gun is also strikingly similar to the American M1941 Johnson machine gun in both appearance and operation."
Kinda looks like the NS1 lmg (sure the lmg of NS1 was more of a SMG, i.e. like the Sten... or we can say the "LMG" was a scoped FG42 LMG with a squished stock, but maintaining the same contours, and the barrel ending short just after the forearm). <img src="http://www.ncssm.edu/library/dirt/Billy%20Flint/FG42.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/koblenz%20museum/Fg42-II.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
The NS2 lmg is just a little watered down, but it's the closest match i found so far. If you see similarities to the NS1 lmg, then you see similarities to the FG42.
Personally i see a little Stg 44 in there: <a href="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/4081981272_f786c53d90_o.jpg" target="_blank">http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/408198...786c53d90_o.jpg</a>
Maybe you should take a break, FocusedWolf. You've already eaten up enough of this thread with your posts, it's really time to move onto something else, ok?
There is no German Nazi themes in NS2, period, and that kind of accusation is not funny, it's highly insulting.
<!--quoteo(post=1758475:date=Mar 9 2010, 10:21 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Mar 9 2010, 10:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1758475"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Maybe you should take a break, FocusedWolf. You've already eaten up enough of this thread with your posts, it's really time to move onto something else, ok?
There is no German Nazi themes in NS2, period, and that kind of accusation is not funny, it's highly insulting.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think i've said all the evidence there is currently available to work with. Thx for letting me say all that btw.
I'll take your word for it that their are no German Nazi themes in NS2. Every similarity i found with German WW2 weaponry, and possibly with the Nazis, i to found offensive to the point where i would entertain any alternative explanation for my findings, for example the possibility that influences were to be attributed to the SAS, etc. The weapon evidence appears to be obvious and therefore an irrefutable reminder that WW2 German guns do play a role towards influencing NS weaponry, from the pistol to what i now see in the NS1 LMG. Even the NS1 HMG may be drawing aspects off of the MG42, but not in any substantial way. Glad to hear an assurance that it doesn't go beyond the weapons of WW2.
<!--quoteo(post=1758478:date=Mar 10 2010, 11:31 AM:name=FocusedWolf)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FocusedWolf @ Mar 10 2010, 11:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1758478"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think i've said all the evidence there is currently available to work with. Thx for letting me say all that btw.
I'll take your word for it that their are no German Nazi themes in NS2. Every similarity i found with German WW2 weaponry, and possibly with the Nazis, i to found offensive to the point where i would entertain any alternative explanation for my findings, for example the possibility that influences were to be attributed to the SAS, etc. The weapon evidence appears to be obvious and therefore an irrefutable reminder that WW2 German guns do play a role towards influencing NS weaponry, from the pistol to what i now see in the NS1 LMG. Even the NS1 HMG may be drawing aspects off of the MG42, but not in any substantial way. Glad to hear an assurance that it doesn't go beyond the weapons of WW2.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> So the Germans were decent weapon engineers who came up with their own designs on guns. You crying Nazi influences just because the devs took German WW2 weapons' designs when creating NS2 guns, is akin to refusal of buying German cars because of WW2.
It's not that it's nonsense, I mean it may mean a huge bit to you because of very personal reasons which you can't speak of in public, but many people just aren't that affected by German references in a futuristic game about space marines butchering aliens, and vice versa.
Perhaps if you had voiced your concerns with reasonable restraint instead of going on a personal tirade, dissecting the guns with such technicality that immediately turned people off, would you have garnered more support/less flames regarding this issue.
Anyway, I'm just glad that a voice of authority has clarified this issue, so it can be laid to rest. And I believe that even without this poostorm happening, the devs would respond to this issue in due time, as I think they do understand the ramifications of Nazi correlations with NS2.
<!--quoteo(post=1758459:date=Mar 9 2010, 08:36 PM:name=Triggerman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Triggerman @ Mar 9 2010, 08:36 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1758459"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just my two cents, as you are kind trolling everyone on these forums and I'm not sure that you are getting that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Of course he gets it. He's getting major wood because everyone on the forum is paying attention to him - that's what trolls do. As soon as people start to ignore him he'll come up with an even more ridiculous "theory."
WW2 is a historical event, you can think of it the way you want but the way i see it is its the past, many inspirational things good and bad have come from WW2 and many things refer to then, not just Nazi's, I can understand why the dev team would be so insulted, but more so I think alot of Germans would be insulted too, to claim everything german is a link to Nazi activity is disgusting and very insulting.
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This thread reminds of an epic Calvin and Hobbes strip
Calvin: My powerful brain has come up with a topic for my paper Hobbes: Great Calvin: I'll write about the debate over Tyrannosaurs. Were they fearsome predators or disgusting scavengers? Hobbes: Which side will you defend? Calvin: Oh, I believe they were fearsome predators, definitely. Hobbes: How come? Calvin: They're *so* much cooler that way
Focusedwolf has already said he/she will stop for now. Entertaining their thought any further is just going to feed this massive grab for stupidity. Let's move on.
Oh wait, can I just make a quick entry before that? Thanks. I actually thought the axe and the pistol was the same. A pistol that unfolds to an axe! I've actually read the text now, almost all of it, and realized that the weapons weren't combined like that. My defence is that the news posts was about two things. I got overwhelmed and it blurred together. Uhm. So disregard all my previous posts and don't label me as stupid. Please. Thank you.
(It would have been cooler if it was a pistol-axe though.)
Actually yeah that would be cool.. But I think in pistol form, it would be really extra bulky because of the components that fold out into an axe (or hatchet)
<!--quoteo(post=1758595:date=Mar 10 2010, 12:22 PM:name=Namron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Namron @ Mar 10 2010, 12:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1758595"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh wait, can I just make a quick entry before that? Thanks. I actually thought the axe and the pistol was the same. A pistol that unfolds to an axe! I've actually read the text now, almost all of it, and realized that the weapons weren't combined like that. My defence is that the news posts was about two things. I got overwhelmed and it blurred together. Uhm. So disregard all my previous posts and don't label me as stupid. Please. Thank you.
(It would have been cooler if it was a pistol-axe though.)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't say you had to stop posting here. :P I just asked everyone to stop doing the Godwin.
johnny truantJoin Date: 2008-03-09Member: 63827Members, Reinforced - Silver
I am loving that the pistol and switch ax are a bit different to everything else out there. They're something I can look at and instantly think "NS2!" :D
Also, just to expand on an earlier post: I really hope the reloading isn't realistic i.e. if you reload with rounds still left in the clip, they will be lost. I think there is more than enough of that on other games and frankly it annoys me. I didn't purchase NS2 because I wanted a super-realistic game, I did it because I wanted a superfun one.
Anyway on topic: I love the pistol design and can see a lot of thought has gone into it - only thing I noticed looking a bit off is the magazine looks like it should be slanted at the top so it feeds in straight. The feed mechanism itself is great, and something you don't see very often.
Axe I like as well, but agree that it looks much better with the curved blade.
Even if there was German Influenced it doesn't mean that they are Nazi influences. I mean personally I like some German things from that period. Take the Mauser C96 for example it was a well made gun, even Winston Churchill carried one. Not to mention the American M60 was modeled after the German MG42.
schkorpioI can mspaintJoin Date: 2003-05-23Member: 16635Members
edited March 2010
nazi uniforms are cool, lets face it.
just about everything that the emipre uses in the early star wars movies is based on nazi stuff, and it looks great. they all have a powerful and authorative look to them - not many other uniforms have skulls on them!
BadMouthIt ceases to be exclusive when you can have a custom member titlJoin Date: 2004-05-21Member: 28815Members
I quite like the pistol. It is beefy looking and feels like it can pack a punch. Seems to be packing the power of a hard hitting revolver and hopefully, is not as fast firing as NS1. The Luger mechanism doesn't bother me at all and I think its cool that some weapon in the future draws inspiration from weapons in the past. As long as the moving parts move fast enough and can be negligible, then I don't see it as it being a problem.
The Axe, on the other hand, I'm on the fence. I was originally hoping to a two handed axe, some big assed thing that has a lot of force behind it. But I can live with it being one handed. I do like the blade to be a bit more curved. The straight blade does seem to say "business", but aesthetically, the curved blade would be nicer. Also, I hope the left hand wouldn't be up all the time because I think it is quite silly that when you take out a one handed axe, you must have your left hand up. Especially when you're either running or hacking. It would be okay if it is up when the marine is standing still.
I just leave you with <a href="http://xkcd.com/261/" target="_blank">xkcd</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law" target="_blank">Godwin's law</a> and some genious observations I've made so far:
Did you know, that NS2 guns shoot bullets, they look most likely like those bullets Hitler, we all know this evil <b>german</b> man, used in WW2 so here is my conclusion: Hitler was evil and NS2 is evil, because both of them use bullets, now this is just amazing isn't it.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Maybe you should take a break, FocusedWolf. You've already eaten up enough of this thread with your posts, it's really time to move onto something else, ok?
There is no German Nazi themes in NS2, period, and that kind of accusation is not funny, it's highly insulting.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Focused Wolf is never meant to be entertaining or funny, all he aims for is being a troll (at least well disguised as a gun <b>nut</b>)
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I love the pistol and the LMG even if they look like weapons that have been around before, really who cares, are you people really so obsessed with this Nazis. The axe doesn't look right, but from a physicist standpoint (and thats where the "educated" complaining about realism comes from) it looks more like something you can chop away on an Onos and not a Tree.
If you want to go <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg" target="_blank">lumberjacking</a> instead well that's your decision.
I like both axe and pistol. I think the axe is particularly innovative. It make sense to me to use a hacking or slashing weapon rather than a stabbing weapon against opponents with questionable vital organs. Also in trench war fare in ww1 (and to a lesser extent in ww2) many soldiers prefered their spades as mele weapons to knive/bayonetes. perhaps UW are on to something
<!--quoteo(post=1759117:date=Mar 12 2010, 06:56 PM:name=Tylerm1983)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tylerm1983 @ Mar 12 2010, 06:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1759117"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->... Wheres the friday update?!?! I always look forward to friday's because there is always an update... : (<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Seems to be running late... we can only hope that this means it's a big one. :)
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I know. I've had my face deeply embedded into my palm as I read this thread.
<i>Reductio ad Hitlerum</i>
Good shot sir!
<img src="http://www.bryns.co.uk/ns/images/tutorial/lmg_final_full.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
(remember the shape of the stock and scope, the magazine, the "air holes" in the forward grip, and the angled shape of the pistol grip of this weapon)
Ofcourse the only similarity was the magazine being inserted on the side... to those British guns.
Took a look at the NS2 lmg and tried to see if i could find a German WW2 weapon that was more then obvioussly an "inspiration".
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FG_42" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FG_42</a>
"The FG 42 (German: Fallschirmjägergewehr 42 or "paratroop rifle model 1942") was a selective fire automatic rifle produced in Nazi Germany during World War II. The weapon was developed specifically for the use with Fallschirmjäger airborne infantry in 1942 and was used in very limited numbers until the end of the war.
It combined the characteristics and firepower of a light machine gun in a lightweight form no larger than the standard-issue Kar 98k bolt-action rifle. Considered one of the most advanced weapon designs of World War II,[1][2] the FG 42 influenced post-war small arms development (particularly in the M60 machine gun) and ultimately helped to shape the modern assault rifle concept.[3] The gun is also strikingly similar to the American M1941 Johnson machine gun in both appearance and operation."
Kinda looks like the NS1 lmg (sure the lmg of NS1 was more of a SMG, i.e. like the Sten... or we can say the "LMG" was a scoped FG42 LMG with a squished stock, but maintaining the same contours, and the barrel ending short just after the forearm).
<img src="http://www.ncssm.edu/library/dirt/Billy%20Flint/FG42.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/koblenz%20museum/Fg42-II.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
The NS2 lmg is just a little watered down, but it's the closest match i found so far. If you see similarities to the NS1 lmg, then you see similarities to the FG42.
Personally i see a little Stg 44 in there:
<a href="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/4081981272_f786c53d90_o.jpg" target="_blank">http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/408198...786c53d90_o.jpg</a>
There is no German Nazi themes in NS2, period, and that kind of accusation is not funny, it's highly insulting.
--Cory
There is no German Nazi themes in NS2, period, and that kind of accusation is not funny, it's highly insulting.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think i've said all the evidence there is currently available to work with. Thx for letting me say all that btw.
I'll take your word for it that their are no German Nazi themes in NS2. Every similarity i found with German WW2 weaponry, and possibly with the Nazis, i to found offensive to the point where i would entertain any alternative explanation for my findings, for example the possibility that influences were to be attributed to the SAS, etc. The weapon evidence appears to be obvious and therefore an irrefutable reminder that WW2 German guns do play a role towards influencing NS weaponry, from the pistol to what i now see in the NS1 LMG. Even the NS1 HMG may be drawing aspects off of the MG42, but not in any substantial way. Glad to hear an assurance that it doesn't go beyond the weapons of WW2.
I'll take your word for it that their are no German Nazi themes in NS2. Every similarity i found with German WW2 weaponry, and possibly with the Nazis, i to found offensive to the point where i would entertain any alternative explanation for my findings, for example the possibility that influences were to be attributed to the SAS, etc. The weapon evidence appears to be obvious and therefore an irrefutable reminder that WW2 German guns do play a role towards influencing NS weaponry, from the pistol to what i now see in the NS1 LMG. Even the NS1 HMG may be drawing aspects off of the MG42, but not in any substantial way. Glad to hear an assurance that it doesn't go beyond the weapons of WW2.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So the Germans were decent weapon engineers who came up with their own designs on guns. You crying Nazi influences just because the devs took German WW2 weapons' designs when creating NS2 guns, is akin to refusal of buying German cars because of WW2.
It's not that it's nonsense, I mean it may mean a huge bit to you because of very personal reasons which you can't speak of in public, but many people just aren't that affected by German references in a futuristic game about space marines butchering aliens, and vice versa.
Perhaps if you had voiced your concerns with reasonable restraint instead of going on a personal tirade, dissecting the guns with such technicality that immediately turned people off, would you have garnered more support/less flames regarding this issue.
Anyway, I'm just glad that a voice of authority has clarified this issue, so it can be laid to rest. And I believe that even without this poostorm happening, the devs would respond to this issue in due time, as I think they do understand the ramifications of Nazi correlations with NS2.
Of course he gets it. He's getting major wood because everyone on the forum is paying attention to him - that's what trolls do. As soon as people start to ignore him he'll come up with an even more ridiculous "theory."
It's a shame forums don't have kill files...
WW2 is a historical event, you can think of it the way you want but the way i see it is its the past, many inspirational things good and bad have come from WW2 and many things refer to then, not just Nazi's, I can understand why the dev team would be so insulted, but more so I think alot of Germans would be insulted too, to claim everything german is a link to Nazi activity is disgusting and very insulting.
I don't even care if he's trolling or he's really that far gone; he has no place here.
Calvin: My powerful brain has come up with a topic for my paper
Hobbes: Great
Calvin: I'll write about the debate over Tyrannosaurs. Were they fearsome predators or disgusting scavengers?
Hobbes: Which side will you defend?
Calvin: Oh, I believe they were fearsome predators, definitely.
Hobbes: How come?
Calvin: They're *so* much cooler that way
Stop.
Focusedwolf has already said he/she will stop for now. Entertaining their thought any further is just going to feed this massive grab for stupidity. Let's move on.
(It would have been cooler if it was a pistol-axe though.)
(It would have been cooler if it was a pistol-axe though.)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't say you had to stop posting here. :P
I just asked everyone to stop doing the Godwin.
Also, just to expand on an earlier post: I really hope the reloading isn't realistic i.e. if you reload with rounds still left in the clip, they will be lost. I think there is more than enough of that on other games and frankly it annoys me. I didn't purchase NS2 because I wanted a super-realistic game, I did it because I wanted a superfun one.
Love and hugs.
Anyway on topic: I love the pistol design and can see a lot of thought has gone into it - only thing I noticed looking a bit off is the magazine looks like it should be slanted at the top so it feeds in straight. The feed mechanism itself is great, and something you don't see very often.
Axe I like as well, but agree that it looks much better with the curved blade.
just about everything that the emipre uses in the early star wars movies is based on nazi stuff, and it looks great.
they all have a powerful and authorative look to them - not many other uniforms have skulls on them!
The Axe, on the other hand, I'm on the fence. I was originally hoping to a two handed axe, some big assed thing that has a lot of force behind it. But I can live with it being one handed. I do like the blade to be a bit more curved. The straight blade does seem to say "business", but aesthetically, the curved blade would be nicer. Also, I hope the left hand wouldn't be up all the time because I think it is quite silly that when you take out a one handed axe, you must have your left hand up. Especially when you're either running or hacking. It would be okay if it is up when the marine is standing still.
And FocusedWolf scares me.
Did you know, that NS2 guns shoot bullets, they look most likely like those bullets Hitler, we all know this evil <b>german</b> man, used in WW2 so here is my conclusion: Hitler was evil and NS2 is evil, because both of them use bullets, now this is just amazing isn't it.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Maybe you should take a break, FocusedWolf. You've already eaten up enough of this thread with your posts, it's really time to move onto something else, ok?
There is no German Nazi themes in NS2, period, and that kind of accusation is not funny, it's highly insulting.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Focused Wolf is never meant to be entertaining or funny, all he aims for is being a troll (at least well disguised as a gun <b>nut</b>)
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I love the pistol and the LMG even if they look like weapons that have been around before, really who cares, are you people really so obsessed with this Nazis. The axe doesn't look right, but from a physicist standpoint (and thats where the "educated" complaining about realism comes from) it looks more like something you can chop away on an Onos and not a Tree.
If you want to go <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg" target="_blank">lumberjacking</a> instead well that's your decision.
Seems to be running late... we can only hope that this means it's a big one. :)
QUICK LOOK AT PHOTO
WTF
RELEASE LOCK-BUTTON (YELLOW) REMINDS ME OF A TOY.
OR A CARPET KNIFE.
PLS. THIS IS AN AXE.
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