Oh ya, and I won't be adding the vent system until last since it seems like it will be the hardest part to replicate and I'll need all the main map to be done so I can connect them without any trouble.
Hmm.. my only 2 problems with that picture compared to the original are... No green glowing things. Check the old one.. it had green glowys... *nodnod* and the blue thing is too far back.. but that doesn't matter as much. Lighting effects>minor architexture..
I think it'll be hard to match Nancy 100%. I think 99% is very possible, and it looks like you're working towards this. Good show. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
Have any of u contacted DevilDog. It is his creation. And if he doesn't want ya to do it, offer to give him the source files so he can pick up where he left off. Either way nancy will still be remade.
<!--QuoteBegin--ssjyoda+Aug 20 2003, 11:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ Aug 20 2003, 11:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> offer to give him the source files so he can pick up where he left off. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's exactly what Lazer wants to do. Just like he states in the post #1. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Does DD post in these forums? Has he expressed even the SLIGHTEST interest in remaking or updating Nancy?
What makes you all think he's going to work on the map just because an updated build is delivered to his inbox? Even Flayra has said it's OK if someone wants to take the base nancy setup and create a new, similar map.
I sure hope you've been making backups of the map onto disc lazer. I dont think we would want the reincarnation to suffer the same fate as its predecessor.
<!--QuoteBegin--the draft+Aug 20 2003, 03:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the draft @ Aug 20 2003, 03:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Does DD post in these forums? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> From what I've heard, DD is a bit anti-social.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I dont think we would want the reincarnation to suffer the same fate as its predecessor.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd think I'd drown in all that irony if that happened.
If Devildog has no intention of developing nancy further, are you interested in creating nancy 2.0 based on this remake? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes I would. It really depends what happens though. Also, thanks for pointing out the flaws in my version. I did notice those already, but that's the kind of feedback I like to see. Actually show me what should be changed, not just "you did it wrong". Also, pointing out lighting differences is fine, but I'm not going to get into it until later when the map is coming together.
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
edited August 2003
JezPuh, I know the source was lost. Thats y I said give him the source of the one lazers making. Bah, and me= no noob. Look at reg date, Ive been here over a year longer than u. I only recently started posting here cause the mod i worked on just died. Now i can't post there anymore <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I really like the changes. I neva really like nancy much. But I think after this remake I will.
go for it lazer, this is the best anyone can ask for. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
ssjyoda: if you even read the first post, you woulda known that lazer intended to give the source to DevilDog anyway.
Ignored, it seems. Doesn't anyone think this is odd? DD won't even respond to emails asking if it's ok to remake Nancy. What makes anyone think he's going to finish some updated version?
<!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Aug 20 2003, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Aug 20 2003, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ozbirdboy made it very clear that he wants to do the whole thing by himself so he can do whatever he wants to with the map. He planned on even renaming the map, and when people replied telling him not to, he had no response to it. Plus, a team is gonna get this done a lot quicker. Here is some more progress with a little old / new to show you how close it it. (tweaking still needs to be done but will be done later)
Old: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> im not sure how thick you actually are but as you have forgotten what i have said i will say it again:
as i have not ever finished a map completely, i see this as an easy task as i have to work off something. The reason i didnt want you working with me because i would be stuck with the same problem that i didnt finish the map completely by myself. So how about you stop acting selfish and get on with what ver you want to do.
<!--QuoteBegin--the draft+Aug 20 2003, 06:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the draft @ Aug 20 2003, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ignored, it seems. Doesn't anyone think this is odd? DD won't even respond to emails asking if it's ok to remake Nancy. What makes anyone think he's going to finish some updated version? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> DD has all but <i>left the community completely</i>.
Yes'm that's right - as Flayra said in another thread, DD will most likely not see anything you say anyways. Since he did not <b>specifically forbid</b> the manufacture of this map, it can be assumed that until DD (if ever)contacts you, you have a green light.
Well the draft, since it seems you will ask the same question until you get the answer, here it is elaborated further from Lazer's first post (mind reading - don't fail me now) and from my previous post here:
It was never said that we expect DevilDog to do anything with the map after he gets it. Hoping.. well of course. Expecting... no. Lazer in fact said right at the beginning:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When this is all done I plan on sending the source to DevilDog so we can get this back into ns and updated <u>if he wants it to be.</u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> (underline added for emphasis)
The point here is not to make an updated ns_nancy happen. That's the point of the other (at least two) threads talking about nancy tributes, and the like. The point here is that DevilDog lost his work, and someone with enough knowledge and experience with the right tools decided to offer the nice gesture of trying to recreate the source for DevilDog.
The point, rephrased yet again, (and hopefully for the last time) is that this is not for the community, it is for DevilDog. If DevilDog decides to work with the map, then I'm sure many in the community will be quite happy. If he decides not to work with the map, then it was still a nice gesture. And that's the whole point of Lazer's project here. It is a kind gesture towards a mapper who lost most likely months of work.
(Sorry if I'm stealing any of your thunder in this thread Lazer... and sorry all I can do around here is paraphrase stuff - I'm no good at mapping. Best of luck though.)
Spook, you couldn't have put it better. The only thing I would like to mention is that if there is no reply from DevilDog, I'm gonna release it as the "bugfixed nancy for 2.0". Depending on how everything plays out, I'm willing to do the updates to the map if necisarry. I for one love the way it plays out. Great games are played on it. So really to sum up how this project will go:
-Nancy gets remade with the bugfixes. -There will be an attempt to contact DevilDog and see if he wants to do anything with the map. -If there is no reply, I plan on asking the Dev's if they would like to see a updatable nancy back in ns. -If yes, I'll be glad to be the one to do the updates.
Again, it really depends how everything plays out. Right now I just want to see this map compatable with 2.0 and DevilDog with the ability to get the source back to his wonderful map.
<!--QuoteBegin--Spook+Aug 20 2003, 07:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spook @ Aug 20 2003, 07:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well the draft, since it seems you will ask the same question until you get the answer, here it is elaborated further from Lazer's first post (mind reading - don't fail me now) and from my previous post here:
It was never said that we expect DevilDog to do anything with the map after he gets it. Hoping.. well of course. Expecting... no. Lazer in fact said right at the beginning:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When this is all done I plan on sending the source to DevilDog so we can get this back into ns and updated <u>if he wants it to be.</u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> (underline added for emphasis)
The point here is not to make an updated ns_nancy happen. That's the point of the other (at least two) threads talking about nancy tributes, and the like. The point here is that DevilDog lost his work, and someone with enough knowledge and experience with the right tools decided to offer the nice gesture of trying to recreate the source for DevilDog.
The point, rephrased yet again, (and hopefully for the last time) is that this is not for the community, it is for DevilDog. If DevilDog decides to work with the map, then I'm sure many in the community will be quite happy. If he decides not to work with the map, then it was still a nice gesture. And that's the whole point of Lazer's project here. It is a kind gesture towards a mapper who lost most likely months of work.
(Sorry if I'm stealing any of your thunder in this thread Lazer... and sorry all I can do around here is paraphrase stuff - I'm no good at mapping. Best of luck though.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes - the only problem is that Lazer <i>hijacked</i> the Nancy project. No, I will not get into a discussion about map quality or individual skill.
Plain and simple, someone else had already taken the initiative. While I don't exactly <i>respect</i> Lazer for his exact actions, I also do not dislike him for it. I realize that lazer is not going to stop. I also realize that even <i>if</i> the source is remade, DD will <i>still</i> never come back. For most purposes, he is as good as dead now <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
In conclusion - I believe this project to be a shining example of wasted opportunity - instead of improving on the map, or perhaps <b>making a tribute</b>, the map will remain the same. Gameplay flaws or no. IF Lazer instead put his energy towards making something refreshing, I believe the results could be truly excellent <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just the ramblings of a disillusioned forumgoer...
<!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Aug 19 2003, 08:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Aug 19 2003, 08:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Exactly spook. The only fixes I'm doing are slight texture alignment problems and things like that. (Most of the hallways had problems with that vent texture that runs along the sides of the walkway) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> very good man.
<!--QuoteBegin--the draft+Aug 20 2003, 06:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the draft @ Aug 20 2003, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ignored, it seems. Doesn't anyone think this is odd? DD won't even respond to emails asking if it's ok to remake Nancy. What makes anyone think he's going to finish some updated version? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yea, where is Devil Dog....
<!--QuoteBegin--Dubbilex+Aug 21 2003, 03:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Aug 21 2003, 03:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes - the only problem is that Lazer <i>hijacked</i> the Nancy project. No, I will not get into a discussion about map quality or individual skill.
Plain and simple, someone else had already taken the initiative. While I don't exactly <i>respect</i> Lazer for his exact actions, I also do not dislike him for it. I realize that lazer is not going to stop. I also realize that even <i>if</i> the source is remade, DD will <i>still</i> never come back. For most purposes, he is as good as dead now <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
In conclusion - I believe this project to be a shining example of wasted opportunity - instead of improving on the map, or perhaps <b>making a tribute</b>, the map will remain the same. Gameplay flaws or no. IF Lazer instead put his energy towards making something refreshing, I believe the results could be truly excellent <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Very well said, i second that.
And I hijacked it how? If this is going back to the whole Ozbirdboy project, I could argue that HE hijacked it. Look a few pages back, there was already an attempt at starting up this project, and I was one of the guys that was gonna get involved. I waited around to see if anything was gonna happen, and when I thought I saw someone actually going through with this team idea I jumped on the opertunity right away. This was only to find out that it was a personal project that doesn't have the intentions of what the people on these forums want. So I decided to try and restart the ORIGINAL nancy project, the one that I was gonna be in but everyone seemed to have vanished from shortly after.
I really don't want to argue with anyone in this thread since that is not what it is about. You want to start a debate? Make a new thread. I made this one to look for help on the project that almost died.
<!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Aug 20 2003, 10:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Aug 20 2003, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I waited around to see if anything was gonna happen, and when I thought I saw someone actually going through with this team idea I jumped on the opertunity right away. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> as i recall, i wasnt the one who announced to work in a team on the last one, it was you: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=42449&st=0' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=4&t=42449&st=0</a>
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Keep it going!
If Devildog has no intention of developing nancy further, are you interested in creating nancy 2.0 based on this remake?
No green glowing things. Check the old one.. it had green glowys... *nodnod*
and the blue thing is too far back.. but that doesn't matter as much.
Lighting effects>minor architexture..
don't post unless you know why this is made.
The source of nancy was lost in a hd crash, nancy got doomed.
That's why they're remaking it now.
That's exactly what Lazer wants to do. Just like he states in the post #1. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
What makes you all think he's going to work on the map just because an updated build is delivered to his inbox? Even Flayra has said it's OK if someone wants to take the base nancy setup and create a new, similar map.
I dont think we would want the reincarnation to suffer the same fate as its predecessor.
From what I've heard, DD is a bit anti-social.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I dont think we would want the reincarnation to suffer the same fate as its predecessor.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd think I'd drown in all that irony if that happened.
If Devildog has no intention of developing nancy further, are you interested in creating nancy 2.0 based on this remake? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes I would. It really depends what happens though. Also, thanks for pointing out the flaws in my version. I did notice those already, but that's the kind of feedback I like to see. Actually show me what should be changed, not just "you did it wrong". Also, pointing out lighting differences is fine, but I'm not going to get into it until later when the map is coming together.
I really like the changes. I neva really like nancy much. But I think after this remake I will.
ssjyoda: if you even read the first post, you woulda known that lazer intended to give the source to DevilDog anyway.
Old: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
im not sure how thick you actually are but as you have forgotten what i have said i will say it again:
as i have not ever finished a map completely, i see this as an easy task as i have to work off something. The reason i didnt want you working with me because i would be stuck with the same problem that i didnt finish the map completely by myself. So how about you stop acting selfish and get on with what ver you want to do.
DD has all but <i>left the community completely</i>.
Yes'm that's right - as Flayra said in another thread, DD will most likely not see anything you say anyways. Since he did not <b>specifically forbid</b> the manufacture of this map, it can be assumed that until DD (if ever)contacts you, you have a green light.
It was never said that we expect DevilDog to do anything with the map after he gets it. Hoping.. well of course. Expecting... no. Lazer in fact said right at the beginning:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When this is all done I plan on sending the source to DevilDog so we can get this back into ns and updated <u>if he wants it to be.</u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> (underline added for emphasis)
The point here is not to make an updated ns_nancy happen. That's the point of the other (at least two) threads talking about nancy tributes, and the like. The point here is that DevilDog lost his work, and someone with enough knowledge and experience with the right tools decided to offer the nice gesture of trying to recreate the source for DevilDog.
The point, rephrased yet again, (and hopefully for the last time) is that this is not for the community, it is for DevilDog. If DevilDog decides to work with the map, then I'm sure many in the community will be quite happy. If he decides not to work with the map, then it was still a nice gesture. And that's the whole point of Lazer's project here. It is a kind gesture towards a mapper who lost most likely months of work.
(Sorry if I'm stealing any of your thunder in this thread Lazer... and sorry all I can do around here is paraphrase stuff - I'm no good at mapping. Best of luck though.)
-Nancy gets remade with the bugfixes.
-There will be an attempt to contact DevilDog and see if he wants to do anything with the map.
-If there is no reply, I plan on asking the Dev's if they would like to see a updatable nancy back in ns.
-If yes, I'll be glad to be the one to do the updates.
Again, it really depends how everything plays out. Right now I just want to see this map compatable with 2.0 and DevilDog with the ability to get the source back to his wonderful map.
It was never said that we expect DevilDog to do anything with the map after he gets it. Hoping.. well of course. Expecting... no. Lazer in fact said right at the beginning:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When this is all done I plan on sending the source to DevilDog so we can get this back into ns and updated <u>if he wants it to be.</u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> (underline added for emphasis)
The point here is not to make an updated ns_nancy happen. That's the point of the other (at least two) threads talking about nancy tributes, and the like. The point here is that DevilDog lost his work, and someone with enough knowledge and experience with the right tools decided to offer the nice gesture of trying to recreate the source for DevilDog.
The point, rephrased yet again, (and hopefully for the last time) is that this is not for the community, it is for DevilDog. If DevilDog decides to work with the map, then I'm sure many in the community will be quite happy. If he decides not to work with the map, then it was still a nice gesture. And that's the whole point of Lazer's project here. It is a kind gesture towards a mapper who lost most likely months of work.
(Sorry if I'm stealing any of your thunder in this thread Lazer... and sorry all I can do around here is paraphrase stuff - I'm no good at mapping. Best of luck though.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes - the only problem is that Lazer <i>hijacked</i> the Nancy project. No, I will not get into a discussion about map quality or individual skill.
Plain and simple, someone else had already taken the initiative. While I don't exactly <i>respect</i> Lazer for his exact actions, I also do not dislike him for it. I realize that lazer is not going to stop. I also realize that even <i>if</i> the source is remade, DD will <i>still</i> never come back. For most purposes, he is as good as dead now <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
In conclusion - I believe this project to be a shining example of wasted opportunity - instead of improving on the map, or perhaps <b>making a tribute</b>, the map will remain the same. Gameplay flaws or no. IF Lazer instead put his energy towards making something refreshing, I believe the results could be truly excellent <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just the ramblings of a disillusioned forumgoer...
very good man.
yea, where is Devil Dog....
Plain and simple, someone else had already taken the initiative. While I don't exactly <i>respect</i> Lazer for his exact actions, I also do not dislike him for it. I realize that lazer is not going to stop. I also realize that even <i>if</i> the source is remade, DD will <i>still</i> never come back. For most purposes, he is as good as dead now <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
In conclusion - I believe this project to be a shining example of wasted opportunity - instead of improving on the map, or perhaps <b>making a tribute</b>, the map will remain the same. Gameplay flaws or no. IF Lazer instead put his energy towards making something refreshing, I believe the results could be truly excellent <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very well said, i second that.
Amen.
I really don't want to argue with anyone in this thread since that is not what it is about. You want to start a debate? Make a new thread. I made this one to look for help on the project that almost died.
as i recall, i wasnt the one who announced to work in a team on the last one, it was you:
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=42449&st=0' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=4&t=42449&st=0</a>