<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Aug 26 2003, 04:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Aug 26 2003, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Aug 26 2003, 01:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Aug 26 2003, 01:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cali was the first to make it illigal?
I though NY was (I know we didn't ban it from bars till this year but it has banned form resturants and such for much longer) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think bars were the last bastion of public indoor smokers, and CA was the first to knock that down. I know this because my friends from the Midwest try to give me crap about it (to which I say, "last time I went to a pub in the Midwest, I saw a baby choking to death on cigarette smoke. Go you."). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Erm....If a parent brings a child into a bar....theres gonna be more things wrong with the kid than asthma
<!--QuoteBegin--CaL_FiN+Aug 26 2003, 01:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Aug 26 2003, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am going on the assumption that it was legalized just in my country. It is unwise to asume that the whole world would say, "ahhhhh yes, OK let's legalize pot." So that leaves two countries, Amsterdam and the UK which would sell pot. So, let's say UK has the best pot... Word gets around and everybody flocks here. It's different to almost every other industry because most other industries are legal in every country, not just two. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I betcha that if the UK and the US legalized it, everyone else would follow suit BUT QUICK, so as not to miss out on their piece of the pie. Canada is already taking faltering steps; from what I've read, they're just scared to because the US might get mad at them for it and impose trade restrictions that would hurt other sectors of their economy.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I never said you were boasting. It was more of a fore-warning to people thinking of posting their experiences. Remember, it is illegal and this isn't the forum to say you smoke illegal substances.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if I had only done pot while in Amsterdam? Did you consider that possibility?
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Aug 26 2003, 03:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 26 2003, 03:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I will make 3 points that if anyone can debunk I'd be amazed not to sound overconfident or anything.
1. Marijuana has been studied for the course of about 60 years and there has been no scientific evidence of any direct phsycial harm or physical addiction caused by it's consumption. 2. The US goverment has been spending upwards of 20 billion dollars a year to combat marijuana and it's uses within the country for the last 20-30 years with absolutly no success. 3. Legilization would null and void the black market aspect of marijuana and end all illegal traffiking of the drug thus getting rid of millions of dollars in funds for criminals who not only sell pot, but cocain, heroine, and illegal arms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Just thought this beared repeating and I wanted to add a couple of off-topic points about things being illegal that shouldn't be.
1. Legalized gambling is an effective and very safe (uhh not sure what kind of dangers could arise from this) way to make money instead of tripling car taxes *cough*Davissucks*cough* 2. Legalized prostituion has been taboo for too long and even if it is a question of morals the people would still have the choice to purchase the product or not. Countries like New Zealand are taking steps towards making this a legitimate profession.
I personally believe things that are illegal that really shouldn't be are clearly different from things that should be illegal. When all the negative aspects of something come directly as a result of them being illegal you know something is wrong. All in all I think the fact that the US was founded by protestants is really hindering our fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I betcha that if the UK and the US legalized it, everyone else would follow suit BUT QUICK, so as not to miss out on their piece of the pie. Canada is already taking faltering steps; from what I've read, they're just scared to because the US might get mad at them for it and impose trade restrictions that would hurt other sectors of their economy.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well yes, because a lot of users from those countries could get it at home and not have to go to amsterdam. But still, you would get a lot more people coming into your country for pot.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What if I had only done pot while in Amsterdam? Did you consider that possibility?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well you didn't say and the chances are you never <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally believe things that are illegal that really shouldn't be are clearly different from things that should be illegal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--CaL_FiN+Aug 26 2003, 01:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Aug 26 2003, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What if I had only done pot while in Amsterdam? Did you consider that possibility?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well you didn't say and the chances are you never <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What I object to is your automatically assuming I'm some sort of lowlife criminal. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--CaL_FiN+Aug 26 2003, 04:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Aug 26 2003, 04:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally believe things that are illegal that really shouldn't be are clearly different from things that should be illegal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They must be illegal for some reason though? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Refer to the part where I said this country is founded by protestants.
I will use sodomy as JUST AN EXAMPLE don't get excited. It used to be illegal and now it isn't, so in essence it was illegal for no reason.
Also I went on to say all negative aspects of the illegal activites arise from them being illegal, kids getting laced weed from shady dealers, drug lords getting money from trafficking, people getting diseases from hookers, people getting arrested for running illegal casinos, etc.
<!--QuoteBegin--CaL_FiN+Aug 26 2003, 01:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Aug 26 2003, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They must be illegal for some reason though? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, not any good ones. Cf. earlier comments about cotton lobby, DuPont, and then more recently the "War on Drugs" which was just an exercise in arm-flailing.
<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Aug 26 2003, 06:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Aug 26 2003, 06:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CaL_FiN+Aug 26 2003, 01:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Aug 26 2003, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They must be illegal for some reason though? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, not any good ones. Cf. earlier comments about cotton lobby, DuPont, and then more recently the "War on Drugs" which was just an exercise in arm-flailing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Additionally,
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The Legalise Cannabis Alliance: American drug companies and pharmacist groups supply almost half of the funding for the 400 "Families Against Marijuana" type organisations in America. The rest is supplied by tobacco companies, liquor and beer makers such as Anhauser Busch, Coors, and Philip Morris, or as a public service by those who represent them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Kinda makes you wonder why THESE people are against it.
I have no problem with pot, smoke it if you want. My objection is turning my country into a holiday camp for stoners and the things that come with pot. I do not think you are a lowlife.
I'm sorry, I have no idea how your country was founded or what u're really saying about that stuff <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I just read it as your opinion which was, "pot shouldn't really be illegal, unlike something that should be illegal. If that makes sense <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--CaL_FiN+Aug 26 2003, 02:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Aug 26 2003, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have no problem with pot, smoke it if you want. My objection is turning my country into a holiday camp for stoners and the things that come with pot. I do not think you are a lowlife.
I'm sorry, I have no idea how your country was founded or what u're really saying about that stuff <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I just read it as your opinion which was, "pot shouldn't really be illegal, unlike something that should be illegal. If that makes sense <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, I'm just yanking your chain. My real point is, it's tough to have a discussion on the topic if actually TALKING about it is verboten. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I think as long as I'm not actively encouraging other people to break the law, I'm within the forum rules. (checks guidelines... yes!)
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<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Aug 26 2003, 05:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Aug 26 2003, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CaL_FiN+Aug 26 2003, 01:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Aug 26 2003, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They must be illegal for some reason though? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, not any good ones. Cf. earlier comments about cotton lobby, DuPont, and then more recently the "War on Drugs" which was just an exercise in arm-flailing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> One thing you might want to add in. A major reason pot was made illegal was racism against maxican immigrants. It gave cops an excuse to deport them.
Ok now to make an actual point. Laws are supposed to be objective and unbiased, unfortunatly we are not a utopia and this isn't so, there is beuracracy and discrimilization (wow I completed just made up a word, I think I'll keep it) and infiltration of church into state. So going on the premise that something is bad just because it's illegal is naive one.
Discrimillization: verb; the act of creating laws under the premise of discriminiation.
I already posted this in the other drugs thread, but the war on drugs currently cost 30-40 billion dollars per year in the US only a small fraction of that is actually used to fight the "war" the rest gets pocketed by the bureaucrats perpetuating the so called war, so until an alternative method to making 30-40 billion from legalization is proven it will never happen.
Nudgie nudgie. The general legalization thread has turned into being just about pot. I think most of us in this thread ended up saying legalizing pot wouldn't be such a bad thing, but a lot of anti-pot people sprouted up in the other topic. Anti-pot people: would you like to come in here so we could revive this discussion? Thanx. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I've got nothing against legalizing pot, but I'll be damned if I pay taxes to give free food and cable TV to someone who gets stoned and gets in a brawl and kills someone.
<!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Aug 28 2003, 10:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 28 2003, 10:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've got nothing against legalizing pot, but I'll be damned if I pay taxes to give free food and cable TV to someone who gets stoned and gets in a brawl and kills someone. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you mean someone who gets stoned, and stumbles around town at 1am looking for biscuits.
<!--QuoteBegin--Melatonin+Aug 29 2003, 10:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Melatonin @ Aug 29 2003, 10:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Aug 28 2003, 10:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 28 2003, 10:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've got nothing against legalizing pot, but I'll be damned if I pay taxes to give free food and cable TV to someone who gets stoned and gets in a brawl and kills someone. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you mean someone who gets stoned, and stumbles around town at 1am looking for biscuits. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, pot smokers are general LESS violent. That situation is more likely to happen if said person got totally hammered.
I think that the government should legalize weed and regulate it just like alcohol -- a legal "high" limit. Weed cigarretes should be sold with low THC contents; just like 1 beer won't get you drunk, 1 of these low-density joints won't get you high -- it'll just "loosen you up," just like alcohol, but with none of the terrible stuff that comes from alcohol (I don't drink but I find nothing wrong with pot) I think it was confuzor who said on the 1st page that companies will add stuff to MAKE you addicted, just like cigarrettes. I never thought of that! Well, it usually is the case that progressive legislators are pushing weed legalization, I hope their progressive ideals continue in the legislation to prevent corporation meddling with the ingredients. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Aug 28 2003, 07:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 28 2003, 07:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've got nothing against legalizing pot, but I'll be damned if I pay taxes to give free food and cable TV to someone who gets stoned and gets in a brawl and kills someone. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're already paying taxes to give free food and cable TV to LOTS of people who do nothing more than get stoned. Look up statistics on how many people are incarcerated for drug-related offenses.
<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Aug 29 2003, 01:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Aug 29 2003, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Aug 28 2003, 07:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 28 2003, 07:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've got nothing against legalizing pot, but I'll be damned if I pay taxes to give free food and cable TV to someone who gets stoned and gets in a brawl and kills someone. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're already paying taxes to give free food and cable TV to LOTS of people who do nothing more than get stoned. Look up statistics on how many people are incarcerated for drug-related offenses. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Correction, my parents are paying taxes <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Going with my pretty conservative economic ideals, I am voting in my next election against any candidate who proposes any tax raises (first time i get to vote, woot).
Too bad your vote will only put the person in office who will then have to consider proposals by every special-interest group that ever game them money.
Can you say vehicular homicide with drunk driving. I ,er... know a guy who is a friend of my friends cousens second uncle that smokes weed (sarcastic meeter rising <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) and I know lots of redneck bastages who are drunk 24/7 (seriously this time no sarcasm in that one) and are violent all the time when they are drunk. And the friend of my friends cousens second uncle that smokes weed (lol, friend of my friends cousens second uncle that smokes weed, biggest BS story ever) is not violent while stoned and rather quite docile. P.S. I don't drink, err.... I mean the friend of my friends cousens second uncle that smokes weed dosen't drink. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Aug 29 2003, 04:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 29 2003, 04:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *edit* and to those who say that stoned people are less violent, can we say "vehicular homicide"? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There was an australian study that suggested that people are statistically better drivers while stoned. Their theory is that the paranoia compensates for the loss of coordination.
two main factors, phychological addictivness and ingredients.
weed isnt physically addictive like heroin, you wount get withdrawl symtoms from not smoking, however it is one of those acts you may be inclinded to repeat (ie. phychologically addictive), in the same way that you can be addicted to chocolate or addicted to NS.
also ingredients, unless your a bit weird <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->, chances are tabacco will make it into a joint aswell as weed. i need not tell of the addictivness of tabacco, so you could end up as addicted to joints as cigarettes (i think i read somwhere tabacco was right up there with heroin in terms of cravings [feel free to discredit this one]).
My final paper for College Writing was based on the Decriminlization of Marijuana, I'll post it once I re-type it (it was lost in a hard drive crash)
By the way, stop being so mean to Torak. His point didn't even have that much to do with religion, and if anything, I believed it supported a rather "do what you will with weed" stance.
<!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Aug 29 2003, 03:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 29 2003, 03:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've got nothing against legalizing pot, but I'll be damned if I pay taxes to give free food and cable TV to someone who gets stoned and gets in a brawl and kills someone. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Then just think about all the additional revenue that states would gain by taxing legalized pot.
Legalize it, and tax the living **** out of it. Damn, when I was underage in college, pot was easier to get than beer. Let's give up the farce and open ourselves to the potential of a brand spanking new industry and consumer market.
Heck, maybe MA could finally do away with things like the dreaded motor excise tax. If some stoners can take that one off my back, then I'm all for it.
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I though NY was (I know we didn't ban it from bars till this year but it has banned form resturants and such for much longer) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think bars were the last bastion of public indoor smokers, and CA was the first to knock that down. I know this because my friends from the Midwest try to give me crap about it (to which I say, "last time I went to a pub in the Midwest, I saw a baby choking to death on cigarette smoke. Go you."). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Erm....If a parent brings a child into a bar....theres gonna be more things wrong with the kid than asthma
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I betcha that if the UK and the US legalized it, everyone else would follow suit BUT QUICK, so as not to miss out on their piece of the pie. Canada is already taking faltering steps; from what I've read, they're just scared to because the US might get mad at them for it and impose trade restrictions that would hurt other sectors of their economy.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I never said you were boasting. It was more of a fore-warning to people thinking of posting their experiences. Remember, it is illegal and this isn't the forum to say you smoke illegal substances.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if I had only done pot while in Amsterdam? Did you consider that possibility?
1. Marijuana has been studied for the course of about 60 years and there has been no scientific evidence of any direct phsycial harm or physical addiction caused by it's consumption.
2. The US goverment has been spending upwards of 20 billion dollars a year to combat marijuana and it's uses within the country for the last 20-30 years with absolutly no success.
3. Legilization would null and void the black market aspect of marijuana and end all illegal traffiking of the drug thus getting rid of millions of dollars in funds for criminals who not only sell pot, but cocain, heroine, and illegal arms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just thought this beared repeating and I wanted to add a couple of off-topic points about things being illegal that shouldn't be.
1. Legalized gambling is an effective and very safe (uhh not sure what kind of dangers could arise from this) way to make money instead of tripling car taxes *cough*Davissucks*cough*
2. Legalized prostituion has been taboo for too long and even if it is a question of morals the people would still have the choice to purchase the product or not. Countries like New Zealand are taking steps towards making this a legitimate profession.
I personally believe things that are illegal that really shouldn't be are clearly different from things that should be illegal. When all the negative aspects of something come directly as a result of them being illegal you know something is wrong. All in all I think the fact that the US was founded by protestants is really hindering our fun.
Well yes, because a lot of users from those countries could get it at home and not have to go to amsterdam. But still, you would get a lot more people coming into your country for pot.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What if I had only done pot while in Amsterdam? Did you consider that possibility?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well you didn't say and the chances are you never <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
They must be illegal for some reason though?
Well you didn't say and the chances are you never <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I object to is your automatically assuming I'm some sort of lowlife criminal. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
They must be illegal for some reason though? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Refer to the part where I said this country is founded by protestants.
I will use sodomy as JUST AN EXAMPLE don't get excited. It used to be illegal and now it isn't, so in essence it was illegal for no reason.
Also I went on to say all negative aspects of the illegal activites arise from them being illegal, kids getting laced weed from shady dealers, drug lords getting money from trafficking, people getting diseases from hookers, people getting arrested for running illegal casinos, etc.
Actually, not any good ones. Cf. earlier comments about cotton lobby, DuPont, and then more recently the "War on Drugs" which was just an exercise in arm-flailing.
Actually, not any good ones. Cf. earlier comments about cotton lobby, DuPont, and then more recently the "War on Drugs" which was just an exercise in arm-flailing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Additionally,
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The Legalise Cannabis Alliance: American drug companies and pharmacist groups supply almost half of the funding for the 400 "Families Against Marijuana" type organisations in America. The rest is supplied by tobacco companies, liquor and beer makers such as Anhauser Busch, Coors, and Philip Morris, or as a public service by those who represent them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Kinda makes you wonder why THESE people are against it.
I'm sorry, I have no idea how your country was founded or what u're really saying about that stuff <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I just read it as your opinion which was, "pot shouldn't really be illegal, unlike something that should be illegal. If that makes sense <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm sorry, I have no idea how your country was founded or what u're really saying about that stuff <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I just read it as your opinion which was, "pot shouldn't really be illegal, unlike something that should be illegal. If that makes sense <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, I'm just yanking your chain. My real point is, it's tough to have a discussion on the topic if actually TALKING about it is verboten. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I think as long as I'm not actively encouraging other people to break the law, I'm within the forum rules. (checks guidelines... yes!)
Actually, not any good ones. Cf. earlier comments about cotton lobby, DuPont, and then more recently the "War on Drugs" which was just an exercise in arm-flailing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
One thing you might want to add in. A major reason pot was made illegal was racism against maxican immigrants. It gave cops an excuse to deport them.
Damn it, I resisted for so long. Ahem.
Ok now to make an actual point. Laws are supposed to be objective and unbiased, unfortunatly we are not a utopia and this isn't so, there is beuracracy and discrimilization (wow I completed just made up a word, I think I'll keep it) and infiltration of church into state. So going on the premise that something is bad just because it's illegal is naive one.
Discrimillization: verb; the act of creating laws under the premise of discriminiation.
you mean someone who gets stoned, and stumbles around town at 1am looking for biscuits.
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Yes, pot smokers are general LESS violent. That situation is more likely to happen if said person got totally hammered.
I think it was confuzor who said on the 1st page that companies will add stuff to MAKE you addicted, just like cigarrettes. I never thought of that! Well, it usually is the case that progressive legislators are pushing weed legalization, I hope their progressive ideals continue in the legislation to prevent corporation meddling with the ingredients. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
You're already paying taxes to give free food and cable TV to LOTS of people who do nothing more than get stoned. Look up statistics on how many people are incarcerated for drug-related offenses.
You're already paying taxes to give free food and cable TV to LOTS of people who do nothing more than get stoned. Look up statistics on how many people are incarcerated for drug-related offenses. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correction, my parents are paying taxes <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Going with my pretty conservative economic ideals, I am voting in my next election against any candidate who proposes any tax raises (first time i get to vote, woot).
*edit* and to those who say that stoned people are less violent, can we say "vehicular homicide"?
There was an australian study that suggested that people are statistically better drivers while stoned. Their theory is that the paranoia compensates for the loss of coordination.
two main factors, phychological addictivness and ingredients.
weed isnt physically addictive like heroin, you wount get withdrawl symtoms from not smoking, however it is one of those acts you may be inclinded to repeat (ie. phychologically addictive), in the same way that you can be addicted to chocolate or addicted to NS.
also ingredients, unless your a bit weird <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->, chances are tabacco will make it into a joint aswell as weed. i need not tell of the addictivness of tabacco, so you could end up as addicted to joints as cigarettes (i think i read somwhere tabacco was right up there with heroin in terms of cravings [feel free to discredit this one]).
By the way, stop being so mean to Torak. His point didn't even have that much to do with religion, and if anything, I believed it supported a rather "do what you will with weed" stance.
Then just think about all the additional revenue that states would gain by taxing legalized pot.
Legalize it, and tax the living **** out of it. Damn, when I was underage in college, pot was easier to get than beer. Let's give up the farce and open ourselves to the potential of a brand spanking new industry and consumer market.
Heck, maybe MA could finally do away with things like the dreaded motor excise tax. If some stoners can take that one off my back, then I'm all for it.