moultanoCreator of ns_shiva.Join Date: 2002-12-14Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
<!--QuoteBegin--BathroomMonkey+Dec 23 2003, 09:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BathroomMonkey @ Dec 23 2003, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then just think about all the additional revenue that states would gain by taxing legalized pot.
Legalize it, and tax the living **** out of it. Damn, when I was underage in college, pot was easier to get than beer. Let's give up the farce and open ourselves to the potential of a brand spanking new industry and consumer market.
Heck, maybe MA could finally do away with things like the dreaded motor excise tax. If some stoners can take that one off my back, then I'm all for it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Its rumored around here that marijuana is currently the largest cash crop of kentucky. This could be an incredible windfall for farmers slowly losing revenue on tobacco. Economically, legalising marijuana is one of the smartist things you could do.
<!--QuoteBegin--Windelkron+Aug 29 2003, 05:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Aug 29 2003, 05:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Weed cigarretes should be sold with low THC contents; just like 1 beer won't get you drunk, 1 of these low-density joints won't get you high -- it'll just "loosen you up" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope you know that people are not going to keep buying bad weed so your plan won't work.
<!--QuoteBegin--vP-|Pikey+Dec 24 2003, 12:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (vP-|Pikey @ Dec 24 2003, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dunno guys, here in Canada, pot is........ sh**.. that's one big-assed pop-tart... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It also remains <a href='http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001822366_marijuana24.html' target='_blank'>illegal</a>. Commence the hippy conspiracy theories about how Canada bowed to 'The Man'.
<!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Aug 28 2003, 10:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 28 2003, 10:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've got nothing against legalizing pot, but I'll be damned if I pay taxes to give free food and cable TV to someone who gets stoned and gets in a brawl and kills someone. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats the thing, Marijuana is a much less violence inducing drug than lets say, alchol (blargh, I can NEVER get that spelling right).
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Dec 24 2003, 10:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Dec 24 2003, 10:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--vP-|Pikey+Dec 24 2003, 12:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (vP-|Pikey @ Dec 24 2003, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dunno guys, here in Canada, pot is........ sh**.. that's one big-assed pop-tart... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It also remains <a href='http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001822366_marijuana24.html' target='_blank'>illegal</a>. Commence the hippy conspiracy theories about how Canada bowed to 'The Man'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry, what I said was a bit misleading... it's still legal for medicinal use, hell, you're allowed to <a href='http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/protection/marijuana.html' target='_blank'>grow it</a>, with a permit of course.
True. Just like several US states. I think the only reason the Canadian supreme court ruled as it did was to prevent your entire country from being overrun with millions of smelly American deadhead 20-somethings looking for weed and welfare. Ok, they probably had other reasons, but that would have been mine if I were a Canadian Supreme Court Justice. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Marijuana should be legalized. in order to control the usage, only a certain legal dose could be taken. I don't see any problems with legalizing Marijuana as long as your 18 and you keep it away from small children.
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Dec 24 2003, 02:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Dec 24 2003, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> True. Just like several US states. I think the only reason the Canadian supreme court ruled as it did was to prevent your entire country from being overrun with millions of smelly American deadhead 20-somethings looking for weed and welfare. Ok, they probably had other reasons, but that would have been mine if I were a Canadian Supreme Court Justice. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That, and Bush giving us the evil eye. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
I agree, in principle. Going to be a trick to do though, as how do you allow pot bars, when you can't smoke cigarettes anymore in New York or Califonia? Not to mention the second-hand smoke lawsuits...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> people smoke Marijuana and do other drugs anyway. Why not make it legal? People will just keep doing drugs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yep. The point I was making is, how do you go about doing it? There are rules for alcohol bars for example. You'd need some rules for pot bars. Or you could just make it so that you can only do it in your own home. And what about the fact that you're getting your kids high against their wishes if they breath in second hand (of course, you could make the argument that what about the fact that your kids are getting lung cancer from second hand cigarette smoke as well)? Neither is particularly right or fair though.
And to play a bit more of a devil's advocate (remember, I tacitly approve of marijuana legalization), based on your argument why not make heroin legal? Crack? Angel dust? Opium? Bathtub crank? Those are some hard-core, ruin your life, game over drugs, but it will be hard to justify not legalizing them as well if pot becomes legal.
Side topic: do you think cigarettes would be legal today if they were invented say, a year ago? What about cars - they're the greatest killer of teenagers in the USA, 50 years running! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Weed gets legalized, big tabacco companies jump on it, grow and produce large-scale, sell making even more millions on the deaths and day-to-day consumption of both their products, kids start seeing even more so that it's "cool" and since it isn't totally illegal anymore they can smoke it freely. They start growing it in their own homes, and soon their entire life is centered around weed. They move out and in of houses making bigger and bigger operations, hiring people, people with guns, to protect their investment in weed, and eventually large gangs form within the streets and companies of society. Death rates soar from harder drug use because the weed has "lost it's potency" on its earlier users and gang violence continues to climb. The countries come to a turning point when several innocent civilians get gunned down in a large-scale gang war. Not wanting anymore of the civil unrest, congress and other governments see the error in 20/20 hindsight and rush to criminalize pot again; but not after several years of hard gang and anti-gang warfare by both police and civilian forces, innumerable deaths, and one rich, rich company waiting for the next drug to be legalized. all the while police forces had sat idley by and watched as the society they once attempted to protect fall apart at the seems and find themselves struggling to bring order to the area they serve.
Drugs must never be criminalized. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Legalize weed, and you give everyone a loaded gun, a free hit, and a game called russian roullet. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Maveric+Dec 24 2003, 09:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Dec 24 2003, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Weed gets legalized, big tabacco companies jump on it, grow and produce large-scale, sell making even more millions on the deaths and day-to-day consumption of both their products, kids start seeing even more so that it's "cool" and since it isn't totally illegal anymore they can smoke it freely. They start growing it in their own homes, and soon their entire life is centered around weed. They move out and in of houses making bigger and bigger operations, hiring people, people with guns, to protect their investment in weed, and eventually large gangs form within the streets and companies of society. Death rates soar from harder drug use because the weed has "lost it's potency" on its earlier users and gang violence continues to climb. The countries come to a turning point when several innocent civilians get gunned down in a large-scale gang war. Not wanting anymore of the civil unrest, congress and other governments see the error in 20/20 hindsight and rush to criminalize pot again; but not after several years of hard gang and anti-gang warfare by both police and civilian forces, innumerable deaths, and one rich, rich company waiting for the next drug to be legalized. all the while police forces had sat idley by and watched as the society they once attempted to protect fall apart at the seems and find themselves struggling to bring order to the area they serve.
Drugs must never be criminalized. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Legalize weed, and you give everyone a loaded gun, a free hit, and a game called russian roullet. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> forget weed, I want what this guys taking...
Maveric, perhaps you should actually try marijuana first. Not trying to flame bait, but many claims about marijuana are discredited by other studies. I made many ignorant claims about weed before I gave in and tried it.
Honestly, right now, I'm working on a thesis paper which deals with what I believe will be the next uprising in America.
Smokers. Yup, thats right. The group of people, opressed by the completely ignorant.
<!--QuoteBegin--Melatonin+Dec 24 2003, 03:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Melatonin @ Dec 24 2003, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> forget weed, I want what this guys taking... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> dont force me to smack you, boy... you dont fully understand the situation with legalization... Law enforcement has enough trouble as it is with "medicinal" uses of pot; how much is too much to have as a medicine? this severly prohibits the police's attempts at: 1) Identifying that he (the person with the pot) needs it and thus has a license for it. 2) Figuring out how much said person should have.
Say a police officer catches someone with weed on him/her, take them to the station, only to find out that said person has a medical license to use it. Said officer has just spent [X] amount of time trying to chase this sucker down, has spent [Y] amount of fuel in the car and thus [Z] amount of cash bringing them to the station, and only to find out that the person must be released because he has a little peice of paper from his doctor saying that he can do so.
This brings me to my next point: Medical Fraud. What happens if weed IS legalized, but only for medicinal use and someone decides to abuse the system? They could make up a convincing story and, if they have a equally crooked doctor, get a small amount of weed for a equally small price especially if health care or union benefits cover it. These people could get 1.5 times the amount they should get through error or on-purpose action, and then sell off that extra .5 for some extra cash and what do you know; you have one more drug dealer, probably carrying a weapon on the streets dealing. It might be hard to do, however, no test is impossible to cheat on; thus, no system is perfect.
The only way for this to work is if medicinal use is only in the most extream cases, doctors rotated and screened (criminally, mentally, etc) and all users kept under a 1-inch leash. Actually, maybe just have no leash at all and have the officer hold onto the collar directly. Like in ballancing any game, if you introduce a dramatic and absolutely ground-shattering law instantly it'll often end more in a disaster then in a success. Short leash medicinal use only, then ease control setting up laws and more laws to control them instead of three peope (doctor, officer, other witness) watching someone smoke a joint in a closed room with good ventilation.
[edit because someone made a insanely STUPID post] <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maveric, perhaps you should actually try marijuana first.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Of all the things to do, you want me to do this?! Peer presure doesn't effect me and god help the poor soul that does. A joint contains just as much toxins and chemicals (if not more) then a cigarret. Besides, how many times have YOUR parents told you that smoking is bad? Mine do almost every d*** day and i know what can happen if you do smoke because i have a damn good example sitting in a bed downstairs. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Try again. There are no where near as many harmful chemicals in marijuana as there are in ciggs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think you're backward, but it doesn't matter. People don't smoke 40 or 60 joints a day (2-3 packs worth). You'd fall unconscious long before that.
Sure theyre might be a little more use, then again their might be alot less. It popular to do things as a youngster because you know its wrong. Best way to combat that is make it OK. Then again I wouldn't want Bush tokin' it up. He needs every last brain cell he has.
[WHO]ThemYou can call me DaveJoin Date: 2002-12-11Member: 10593Members, Constellation
edited December 2003
meh, I didn't bother to read past the second half of the second page of posts. So I'm not gonna take a strong point on either side.
I will say this.... I believe that making ANY gaps in the smuggling business is just ASKING for that gap to be filled with something far more heinous. Because, let's face it, a smuggler is NOT going to get a day job, a smuggler will just keep smuggling stuff.
So, I'm slightly against the legalisation purely because of the smuggling problem. Otherwise, let the potheads do their own thing while I reap the benefits of better job security <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
EDIT: about 3 hours after I posted, I realized that the last sentence could be taken completely wrong. Just to clarify....I have no contact with marijuana in any way/shape/form. I'm referring to the fact that the few pothead programmers I know didn't make it very far at DigiPen :/
Never tried it. Read lot about it. It should be legalized, for various reasons stated before.
I don't think I have much else to add <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Maveric+Dec 25 2003, 02:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Dec 25 2003, 02:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Melatonin+Dec 24 2003, 03:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Melatonin @ Dec 24 2003, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> forget weed, I want what this guys taking... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> dont force me to smack you, boy... you dont fully understand the situation with legalization... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hehe, sorry. I didnt mean to be too nasty <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Say a police officer catches someone with weed on him/her, take them to the station, only to find out that said person has a medical license to use it. Said officer has just spent [X] amount of time trying to chase this sucker down, has spent [Y] amount of fuel in the car and thus [Z] amount of cash bringing them to the station<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
this is one of the main reasons FOR legalisation, the whole issue of wasted money would be sidestepped if when an officer found pot on someone they simply let them off with a verbal warning (possibly taxed the guys stash), Instead of going through the rigmoral of paperwork and redtape to 'nail' some unlucky stoner.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What happens if weed IS legalized, but only for medicinal use and someone decides to abuse the system? They could make up a convincing story and, if they have a equally crooked doctor, get a small amount of weed for a equally small price especially if health care or union benefits cover it<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
could be, but is this worse or better than the current system of handing cash up the chain to gangsters and god knows who else.
Im not saying weed is cool or whatever, but its certainly not as evil as some think. end of the day though, good for you that you dont smoke, keep healthy ;D
Let's throw alcohol into the fray, why don't we. It kills (direct and indirectly) more people every year than tobacco products and drugs do every year, no?
PS: lemme find some stats to back me up there.. har har
I think it should be legalized. The reason for this is the fact that it is less harmfull than alcohol its imposible to OD on pot but you can die of alcohol poisoning.
<!--QuoteBegin--Shloom+Dec 25 2003, 07:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shloom @ Dec 25 2003, 07:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think it should be legalized. The reason for this is the fact that it is less harmfull than alcohol its imposible to OD on pot but you can die of alcohol poisoning. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Dude, you can OD on ANYTHING, try water.
<!--QuoteBegin--vP-|Pikey+Dec 26 2003, 08:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (vP-|Pikey @ Dec 26 2003, 08:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Shloom+Dec 25 2003, 07:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shloom @ Dec 25 2003, 07:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think it should be legalized. The reason for this is the fact that it is less harmfull than alcohol its imposible to OD on pot but you can die of alcohol poisoning. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dude, you can OD on ANYTHING, try water. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There is no posible way somebody could smoke enough pot in a short enough amount of time to OD. It just can't be done.
It would be hard to OD on some things unless you are trying, is more to the point. You wouldn't drink 10 gallons of water for fun. In the same way, smoking weed is going to stop being fun before you OD (unless you're allergic, have no liver, etc.). So does alcohol, and it's always mystified me how people can get to the point where they're too plastered to do anything but drink and <i>keep drinking</i> for another half hour. They're just asking for it.
Both pot and alcohol can be used responsibly without coming anywhere close to ODing (or murdering anyone, or burning down your house, or...)
<!--QuoteBegin--taboofires+Dec 26 2003, 03:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taboofires @ Dec 26 2003, 03:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Both pot and alcohol can be used responsibly without coming anywhere close to ODing (or murdering anyone, or burning down your house, or...) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How about driving under the influence? What is a responsible amount of pot to smoke before you are a road hazard? Based on what I saw of my friends and associates in college, roughly 1/2 of a joint, as long as it was not soaked in any bizarre chemicals. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Dec 26 2003, 07:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Dec 26 2003, 07:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How about driving under the influence? What is a responsible amount of pot to smoke before you are a road hazard? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> oh and dont forget open heart surgery, I wouldnt suggest you try that while cained.
on a more serious note, while its technically better to be stoned then drunk when driving, both are very very stupid things to do. that said, at least when driving stoned, you should have [most of] your body under your control, unlike being drunk. You should be able to focus clearly, unlike being drunk. And you'll probably be more cautious than if you were sober, since youll want to compensate for the stonedness (also unlike when your drunk).
its really a different topic to legalisation though.
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Legalize it, and tax the living **** out of it. Damn, when I was underage in college, pot was easier to get than beer. Let's give up the farce and open ourselves to the potential of a brand spanking new industry and consumer market.
Heck, maybe MA could finally do away with things like the dreaded motor excise tax. If some stoners can take that one off my back, then I'm all for it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its rumored around here that marijuana is currently the largest cash crop of kentucky. This could be an incredible windfall for farmers slowly losing revenue on tobacco. Economically, legalising marijuana is one of the smartist things you could do.
I hope you know that people are not going to keep buying bad weed so your plan won't work.
It also remains <a href='http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001822366_marijuana24.html' target='_blank'>illegal</a>. Commence the hippy conspiracy theories about how Canada bowed to 'The Man'.
Thats the thing, Marijuana is a much less violence inducing drug than lets say, alchol (blargh, I can NEVER get that spelling right).
It also remains <a href='http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001822366_marijuana24.html' target='_blank'>illegal</a>. Commence the hippy conspiracy theories about how Canada bowed to 'The Man'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry, what I said was a bit misleading... it's still legal for medicinal use, hell, you're allowed to <a href='http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/protection/marijuana.html' target='_blank'>grow it</a>, with a permit of course.
That, and Bush giving us the evil eye. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Yep. The point I was making is, how do you go about doing it? There are rules for alcohol bars for example. You'd need some rules for pot bars. Or you could just make it so that you can only do it in your own home. And what about the fact that you're getting your kids high against their wishes if they breath in second hand (of course, you could make the argument that what about the fact that your kids are getting lung cancer from second hand cigarette smoke as well)? Neither is particularly right or fair though.
And to play a bit more of a devil's advocate (remember, I tacitly approve of marijuana legalization), based on your argument why not make heroin legal? Crack? Angel dust? Opium? Bathtub crank? Those are some hard-core, ruin your life, game over drugs, but it will be hard to justify not legalizing them as well if pot becomes legal.
Side topic: do you think cigarettes would be legal today if they were invented say, a year ago? What about cars - they're the greatest killer of teenagers in the USA, 50 years running! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
legalize it, it's already around here so much the gov could actually control it and make a buck
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Drugs must never be criminalized. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Legalize weed, and you give everyone a loaded gun, a free hit, and a game called russian roullet. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Drugs must never be criminalized. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Legalize weed, and you give everyone a loaded gun, a free hit, and a game called russian roullet. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
forget weed, I want what this guys taking...
Honestly, right now, I'm working on a thesis paper which deals with what I believe will be the next uprising in America.
Smokers. Yup, thats right. The group of people, opressed by the completely ignorant.
dont force me to smack you, boy... you dont fully understand the situation with legalization...
Law enforcement has enough trouble as it is with "medicinal" uses of pot; how much is too much to have as a medicine? this severly prohibits the police's attempts at:
1) Identifying that he (the person with the pot) needs it and thus has a license for it.
2) Figuring out how much said person should have.
Say a police officer catches someone with weed on him/her, take them to the station, only to find out that said person has a medical license to use it. Said officer has just spent [X] amount of time trying to chase this sucker down, has spent [Y] amount of fuel in the car and thus [Z] amount of cash bringing them to the station, and only to find out that the person must be released because he has a little peice of paper from his doctor saying that he can do so.
This brings me to my next point:
Medical Fraud.
What happens if weed IS legalized, but only for medicinal use and someone decides to abuse the system? They could make up a convincing story and, if they have a equally crooked doctor, get a small amount of weed for a equally small price especially if health care or union benefits cover it. These people could get 1.5 times the amount they should get through error or on-purpose action, and then sell off that extra .5 for some extra cash and what do you know; you have one more drug dealer, probably carrying a weapon on the streets dealing. It might be hard to do, however, no test is impossible to cheat on; thus, no system is perfect.
The only way for this to work is if medicinal use is only in the most extream cases, doctors rotated and screened (criminally, mentally, etc) and all users kept under a 1-inch leash. Actually, maybe just have no leash at all and have the officer hold onto the collar directly. Like in ballancing any game, if you introduce a dramatic and absolutely ground-shattering law instantly it'll often end more in a disaster then in a success. Short leash medicinal use only, then ease control setting up laws and more laws to control them instead of three peope (doctor, officer, other witness) watching someone smoke a joint in a closed room with good ventilation.
[edit because someone made a insanely STUPID post]
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Of all the things to do, you want me to do this?! Peer presure doesn't effect me and god help the poor soul that does. A joint contains just as much toxins and chemicals (if not more) then a cigarret. Besides, how many times have YOUR parents told you that smoking is bad? Mine do almost every d*** day and i know what can happen if you do smoke because i have a damn good example sitting in a bed downstairs. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Try again. There are no where near as many harmful chemicals in marijuana as there are in ciggs.
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I think you're backward, but it doesn't matter. People don't smoke 40 or 60 joints a day (2-3 packs worth). You'd fall unconscious long before that.
There are so many additives in Tobacco Products (Ciggs, not just plain tobacco to roll)
But good point about the amount.
I will say this.... I believe that making ANY gaps in the smuggling business is just ASKING for that gap to be filled with something far more heinous. Because, let's face it, a smuggler is NOT going to get a day job, a smuggler will just keep smuggling stuff.
So, I'm slightly against the legalisation purely because of the smuggling problem. Otherwise, let the potheads do their own thing while I reap the benefits of better job security <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
EDIT: about 3 hours after I posted, I realized that the last sentence could be taken completely wrong. Just to clarify....I have no contact with marijuana in any way/shape/form. I'm referring to the fact that the few pothead programmers I know didn't make it very far at DigiPen :/
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dont force me to smack you, boy... you dont fully understand the situation with legalization...
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hehe, sorry. I didnt mean to be too nasty <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Say a police officer catches someone with weed on him/her, take them to the station, only to find out that said person has a medical license to use it. Said officer has just spent [X] amount of time trying to chase this sucker down, has spent [Y] amount of fuel in the car and thus [Z] amount of cash bringing them to the station<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
this is one of the main reasons FOR legalisation, the whole issue of wasted money would be sidestepped if when an officer found pot on someone they simply let them off with a verbal warning (possibly taxed the guys stash), Instead of going through the rigmoral of paperwork and redtape to 'nail' some unlucky stoner.
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could be, but is this worse or better than the current system of handing cash up the chain to gangsters and god knows who else.
Im not saying weed is cool or whatever, but its certainly not as evil as some think.
end of the day though, good for you that you dont smoke, keep healthy ;D
PS: lemme find some stats to back me up there.. har har
Dude, you can OD on ANYTHING, try water.
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There is no posible way somebody could smoke enough pot in a short enough amount of time to OD. It just can't be done.
Both pot and alcohol can be used responsibly without coming anywhere close to ODing (or murdering anyone, or burning down your house, or...)
How about driving under the influence? What is a responsible amount of pot to smoke before you are a road hazard? Based on what I saw of my friends and associates in college, roughly 1/2 of a joint, as long as it was not soaked in any bizarre chemicals. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
oh and dont forget open heart surgery, I wouldnt suggest you try that while cained.
on a more serious note, while its technically better to be stoned then drunk when driving, both are very very stupid things to do.
that said, at least when driving stoned, you should have [most of] your body under your control, unlike being drunk. You should be able to focus clearly, unlike being drunk. And you'll probably be more cautious than if you were sober, since youll want to compensate for the stonedness (also unlike when your drunk).
its really a different topic to legalisation though.