<!--QuoteBegin--niaccurshi+Sep 25 2003, 04:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (niaccurshi @ Sep 25 2003, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But...isn't devour something that is a bad thing for an onos to use? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In classic digesting marines count as "dead" for ending the game purposes. One would guess they would/could do the same thing.
<!--QuoteBegin--Diablus+Sep 25 2003, 07:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Sep 25 2003, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i feel really bad for the guy who spent 40 minutes upgrading to ha/hmg with 200hp and such just to be devoured by me, the evil.. mwuahahahaha <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When you die you come back with all your upgrades anyway. So he could easily seek vengance upon you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
"GL, HMG, Shotty, HA, JP, motion, scan, beacon, welder, mines, lv3 weapons, lv3 armor, and resupply" are the choices for marines.
But looking at the SS it looks like the choices are instead.
sg/gl hmg Weps1->w2->w3
Am I to assume that the marines are required to level up the guns/armor a couple times (hence a couple levels) to get the good stuff.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The upgrade path for marines was drastically changed from beta3->beta4 (current build). The changelog has not been updated. Most likely it will change again in beta5, though <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
see my problem with new versions is, that u guys, @ developers, give ure test version to these ****** " elite clans" becoming more experienced and better than the hole community.
its a reason for quitting playing with the gorgeus mod, playing the specialists.
hope that other players also would do as me.
and sorry community for my bad english, its 01:03 here in germany.
armor1->armor2->armor3 | | jetpack HA <!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good, it seemed to easy to get jp/hmg for 4 upgrades before.
It's good to know its hauling a** on the balance, cause that means it'll be good.
<!--QuoteBegin--Scuddy+Sep 25 2003, 07:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scuddy @ Sep 25 2003, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> see my problem with new versions is, that u guys, @ developers, give ure test version to these ****** " elite clans" becoming more experienced and better than the hole community.
its a reason for quitting playing with the gorgeus mod, playing the specialists.
hope that other players also would do as me.
and sorry community for my bad english, its 01:03 here in germany. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Meh... nah.
<!--QuoteBegin--Scuddy+Sep 25 2003, 06:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scuddy @ Sep 25 2003, 06:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> becoming more experienced and better than the hole community. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well they needed some high level cordinated players that were willing to deal with the betaness of the game.
They did a service playing the game when it was super rough around the edges.
It's hard to see that they got much of an advantage as the flaya seems to stay pretty solid on versions for 6 months to a year.
The only advantage you could get playing a new versions is figuring out new strategies, and those don't exactly stay secret for very long.
While upgrade requirements for certain weapons is nice, I think it would be better if there were <b>level requirements</b>. It allows more versatility with your upgrade choices.
<!--QuoteBegin--Patrick The Super Skulk+Sep 25 2003, 11:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Patrick The Super Skulk @ Sep 25 2003, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I believe that babblers should be readded for Gorges in Combat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not going to happen. All abilities/lifeforms/skills/upgrades are to be kept the same as normal NS.
Make the Third and Fourth weapon slots for the gorge like the Aura's from Warcraft 3.
The third "Weapon" for the gorge would be a kind of damage enhancing aura that allows Alien attacks to do "X" times normal damage, where X is a balanced figure, like 1.2 times normal damage (so skulk goes from 70 --> 84).
The fourth weapon for the gorge would be a kind of "Bacterial Aura" which enhances the effectiveness of all alien abilities in a given radius.
Each weapon must be selected and fired. Each weapon drains adrenaline. The gorge is also quite vulnerable as he is unable to fight back if he is shot, and so must be defended.
This, in my opinion, would relegate the gorge to an advanced support unit and keep the gorge in play.
snarks are still in NS as a weapon (I can make a screenshot to prove it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ) so babblers COULD be added for the gorge after all.
<!--QuoteBegin--romano+Sep 25 2003, 10:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (romano @ Sep 25 2003, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not going to happen. All abilities/lifeforms/skills/upgrades are to be kept the same as normal NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Then why not make bile-bomb good for something against marines.
My suggestion is to give bile bome a push effect like xeno. It give a very skilled gorge/alien team a counter to HA trains.
And would encourage mixed teams of JPs/HAs for the JPs to take care of Oni and the Harrassing gorges.
This would also let gorges trap JPers by setting up a web then pushing them into it.
Just boost the power of spit/healspray and nerf web a little bit and the gorge would be great in NS:C
Or you could add a infantry damaging rate for bile bomb. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Patrick The Super Skulk+Sep 26 2003, 07:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Patrick The Super Skulk @ Sep 26 2003, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or you could add a infantry damaging rate for bile bomb. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Now that bile bomb is not straight line there isn't a particular reason it shouldn't hurt people (in classic).
It's not like the gorges are gonna be owning up on people using BB ever. The only place this would be particularly powerful would be powersilo.
Or you could make bilebomb slow down movement, slow down/stop jps.
So that there might be a 2 hive counter to jps thats not sporing everywhere or hoping to hit with spikes. The rational is that a bilebomb junks up the jp and so jps can't be used for like 1 second or .5 second after getting hit by a BB (or something very similiar to the refire of BB). So a team of gorges/skulks could keep jps rooted (on ground) then eat em.
This would of course mean that jps would need to be cheapened.
<!--QuoteBegin--TyrNemesis^+Sep 26 2003, 07:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TyrNemesis^ @ Sep 26 2003, 07:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm certainly excited. This game mode will help out a lot on Lunixmonster late at night when we only have 4-6 players available. Mmmm... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think he was getting digested there, it was the build after that that he speeded up digestion (only takes 5-10 seconds now.)
<!--QuoteBegin--TyrNemesis^+Sep 26 2003, 07:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TyrNemesis^ @ Sep 26 2003, 07:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm certainly excited. This game mode will help out a lot on Lunixmonster late at night when we only have 4-6 players available. Mmmm... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> when is linuxmonster going to convert to steam? i miss playing there, i dont have fun anymore playing in servers, becuase linuxmonster was my NS home <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> n i miss the good times we always ahd in there
<!--QuoteBegin--supernorn2000+Sep 25 2003, 05:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (supernorn2000 @ Sep 25 2003, 05:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Diablus+Sep 25 2003, 07:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Sep 25 2003, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i feel really bad for the guy who spent 40 minutes upgrading to ha/hmg with 200hp and such just to be devoured by me, the evil.. mwuahahahaha <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> When you die you come back with all your upgrades anyway. So he could easily seek vengance upon you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> oh but if u play with me u will see that NO marines seek vengeance on me when im onos, when they try they end up lunch again <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> im not joking either
Any chance of some more screenshots? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
According to the changelog threads, no changes have been made to regular NS yet? Makes me wonder how long this patch is going to take <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Or is 2.1 going to be primarily Combat-related?
<!--QuoteBegin--Zek+Sep 26 2003, 07:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Sep 26 2003, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->According to the changelog threads, no changes have been made to regular NS yet? Makes me wonder how long this patch is going to take <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Or is 2.1 going to be primarily Combat-related?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There are other things in progress.
<!--QuoteBegin--azumawarrior+Sep 26 2003, 07:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (azumawarrior @ Sep 26 2003, 07:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can you get HA and a JP at the same time? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> we can only hope....
<!--QuoteBegin--azumawarrior+Sep 26 2003, 07:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (azumawarrior @ Sep 26 2003, 07:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can you get HA and a JP at the same time? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They said no if you look around.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zek+Sep 26 2003, 07:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Sep 26 2003, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> According to the changelog threads, no changes have been made to regular NS yet? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The changelogger said he was primarily working on putting NS:C stuff in the changelog.
Also flaya is working on native steam support so hes got his hands full.
<!--QuoteBegin--Patrick The Super Skulk+Sep 26 2003, 07:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Patrick The Super Skulk @ Sep 26 2003, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or you could add a infantry damaging rate for bile bomb. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> or just add an armor damage factor to bilebomb, so you can't kill with it, but with bilebombing armor and spitting health you can kill them quite quickly.
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In classic digesting marines count as "dead" for ending the game purposes. One would guess they would/could do the same thing.
When you die you come back with all your upgrades anyway. So he could easily seek vengance upon you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
"GL, HMG, Shotty, HA, JP, motion, scan, beacon, welder, mines, lv3 weapons, lv3 armor, and resupply" are the choices for marines.
But looking at the SS it looks like the choices are instead.
sg/gl hmg
Weps1->w2->w3
Am I to assume that the marines are required to level up the guns/armor a couple times (hence a couple levels) to get the good stuff.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The upgrade path for marines was drastically changed from beta3->beta4 (current build). The changelog has not been updated. Most likely it will change again in beta5, though <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
right now...
<!--c1--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->
weaps1->weaps2->weaps3
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shotgun hmg gl
armor1->armor2->armor3
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jetpack HA
<!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
its a reason for quitting playing with the gorgeus mod, playing the specialists.
hope that other players also would do as me.
and sorry community for my bad english, its 01:03 here in germany.
weaps1->weaps2->weaps3
| | |
shotgun hmg gl
armor1->armor2->armor3
| |
jetpack HA
<!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good, it seemed to easy to get jp/hmg for 4 upgrades before.
It's good to know its hauling a** on the balance, cause that means it'll be good.
Have fun.
I'm so excited. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
its a reason for quitting playing with the gorgeus mod, playing the specialists.
hope that other players also would do as me.
and sorry community for my bad english, its 01:03 here in germany. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Meh... nah.
Well they needed some high level cordinated players that were willing to deal with the betaness of the game.
They did a service playing the game when it was super rough around the edges.
It's hard to see that they got much of an advantage as the flaya seems to stay pretty solid on versions for 6 months to a year.
The only advantage you could get playing a new versions is figuring out new strategies, and those don't exactly stay secret for very long.
Not going to happen. All abilities/lifeforms/skills/upgrades are to be kept the same as normal NS.
HL can only handle 32 weapons loaded in the game at any particular time, so weapon limits shouldnt be an issue between NS:C and Regular NS.
My idea:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Make the Third and Fourth weapon slots for the gorge like the Aura's from Warcraft 3.
The third "Weapon" for the gorge would be a kind of damage enhancing aura that allows Alien attacks to do "X" times normal damage, where X is a balanced figure, like 1.2 times normal damage (so skulk goes from 70 --> 84).
The fourth weapon for the gorge would be a kind of "Bacterial Aura" which enhances the effectiveness of all alien abilities in a given radius.
Each weapon must be selected and fired. Each weapon drains adrenaline. The gorge is also quite vulnerable as he is unable to fight back if he is shot, and so must be defended.
This, in my opinion, would relegate the gorge to an advanced support unit and keep the gorge in play.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In any case, make the gorge an uber support unit, as it most certainly has a place (In my opinion) in NS:C.
Then why not make bile-bomb good for something against marines.
My suggestion is to give bile bome a push effect like xeno. It give a very skilled gorge/alien team a counter to HA trains.
And would encourage mixed teams of JPs/HAs for the JPs to take care of Oni and the Harrassing gorges.
This would also let gorges trap JPers by setting up a web then pushing them into it.
Just boost the power of spit/healspray and nerf web a little bit and the gorge would be great in NS:C
Now that bile bomb is not straight line there isn't a particular reason it shouldn't hurt people (in classic).
It's not like the gorges are gonna be owning up on people using BB ever. The only place this would be particularly powerful would be powersilo.
Or you could make bilebomb slow down movement, slow down/stop jps.
So that there might be a 2 hive counter to jps thats not sporing everywhere or hoping to hit with spikes. The rational is that a bilebomb junks up the jp and so jps can't be used for like 1 second or .5 second after getting hit by a BB (or something very similiar to the refire of BB). So a team of gorges/skulks could keep jps rooted (on ground) then eat em.
This would of course mean that jps would need to be cheapened.
I think he was getting digested there, it was the build after that that he speeded up digestion (only takes 5-10 seconds now.)
when is linuxmonster going to convert to steam? i miss playing there, i dont have fun anymore playing in servers, becuase linuxmonster was my NS home <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> n i miss the good times we always ahd in there
When you die you come back with all your upgrades anyway. So he could easily seek vengance upon you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh but if u play with me u will see that NO marines seek vengeance on me when im onos, when they try they end up lunch again <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> im not joking either
There are other things in progress.
Max
we can only hope....
They said no if you look around.
Besides I don't think they have the model.
The changelogger said he was primarily working on putting NS:C stuff in the changelog.
Also flaya is working on native steam support so hes got his hands full.
or just add an armor damage factor to bilebomb, so you can't kill with it, but with bilebombing armor and spitting health you can kill them quite quickly.